Based on the Q&A quoted above I feel that the permission to kill (in Baba's remembrance) is only when a soldier is ordered by his officer to kill the enemy. Even in case of beating a criminal by a (BK or PBK) policeman, it should be only to the extent that the rules of that department allow to extract the truth. Now a days newspapers and news channels keep giving news about custodial deaths of innocent people (who haven't even been convicted by the Courts). So, beating of a thief (or suspected thief) should be only to the level that is prescribed in the manuals of the respective departments. I have another Murli point where ShivBaba (through Brahma Baba) has said that the BKs in police department should first try to extract the truth with love. If love does not work, then one must make use of the method of beatings/scoldings.
Sister Bansy wrote:But anyway, why would a BK want to be a soldier, or are there really any BK soldiers ? (soldier meaning real battlefield with guns and bullets, not the spiritual battlefield).
What if someone becomes a BK/PBK after being appointed as a soldier and cannot leave the Army until the bond period is over. In that case he has to definitely follow the orders of his superiors, including the orders to kill the enemy.
John wrote:Hang on a minute if killing is OK whilst remembering ShivBaba, then can it be concluded that sex is OK whilst remembering ShivBaba and any sin for that matter?
I don't know whether this can be done or not, but I have definitely seen a Murli point where Baba has spoken about the BK/PBK mothers in bondages, who have to suffer forced sex. I think Baba has said that they should remember Baba at that time, then the sin would not accrue to them. But if one indulges in sex just for pleasure, under the pretext that anything could be done in remembrance of God Shiv, then I don't think that would be allowed by Baba. Moreover, have we achieved such a hundred percent soul conscious stage where indulging in sex would not lead to discharge of spiritual and physical power?
I am writing the above line as a BK/PBK. So Ex-BKs please excuse me. They might have a different opinion from me. However, I would seek Baba's answer on this important matter.
ex-l wrote: It is the same as the American Christian Fundimentalists saying, "praise the Lord and pass the bullets". Its is the same as the Islamic Mujahideen detonating a suicide bomb in the name of Allah.
I think we cannot equate a soldier killing an enemy under the orders of his Officer or out of patriotism with the suicide bombers/terrorists. The objective and result of the actions in both cases is vastly different. In the former case the killer is defending his homeland or obeying the orders of his Officer, but in the latter case a person is adopting violence on his own to kill enemies/innocent people in the name of God/religion. This may be a subject of debate. But I think most people would agree.
ex-l wrote:Is the PBK destined to have 100% true rememberance at all moments?
Definitely not, at least under the present circumstances. It may be possible that BKs/PBKs may achieve that stage in the end.
John wrote:BKs in the Army may think they are not accruing sins by killing or police beatings (whatever happened to double non violence!?!), but if they are not remembering correctly will they be accruing sin?
I would request Baba for an answer in this regard and come back to you.
On Godly service,