celtiggyan wrote: Many men have this ability where sex is just like going to the cinema and effects them no worse. With many women it's much more and talk of 'love' and 'relationships' come in to play.
May be ...
I don't know, I think that what you say about men being detached is more about men being emotionally hardened and cut off, a sign of spiritual sickness rather than spiritual health. The counterpoint to which, women's over emotionality, is also some sort of imbalance.
However, it is very hard to generalise because I have met many women in the West have sex like you say men do. Actually, look back on it, I wish that I had known more of them instead of spending my 20s pretending to be "pure and superior".
This whole area is a deep, extensive and fascinating one because on the surface you have layer and layers of cultural programming depending on which culture you were born into. If you take any one of those cultures, you have enough meat for to write a PhDs on sex and relationships.
Underneath that, I believe, you have a trapped universal level of human sexuality and underneath that you have a universal level of human psychic and spiritual experience. That is to say, I believe, an objective state that is not up for discussion but merely analysis.
It seems to me that most of this world is trapped in the far outer layers where sex and relationships are not discussed but just conformed to, whether is the permissive manner of the West or the restrictive manner prescribed by various religious or cultural traditions whether the Catholics, the Taliban, the BKs, the Confucianist or whatever. Currently, the liberal permissive tradition seems to be gaining the most ground.
We are here to discuss BK-ism, how it is practiced and how it effects individuals. I am interested to look at the context from which BK sexual attitudes have grown.
I remember one high profile female Western BK causing tremendous ripples because she note or accused female BKs of " using their sexuality " to get what they want - or let's call it as they do - " to do service ".
This was an unthinkable and undiscussable heresy merely whispered about by the few free and brave thinkers. Is there truth in it? I think so. In an close and to some degree repressed environment such as the BK community, only a little sex or sexual energy is bound to have a profound effect. Of course, one would have to define what was " sexual " and " sexual energy ".
How does the soul incarnate express its self without the libido?
But my first questions would be to examine Hindu sexuality, the cultural norm from which the BK and their ruling sisters expand. I have always wondered how in such an overpopulated yet non-private culture all the sex takes place to overpopulate it.
Asides from whether spiritual and psychic aspects there might be to sex, in the West there has been a long tradition, a religion, of Romanticism. The romantification of sex. Sex and romantic ideas have been interwoven from the time of the Troubadours on through until Hollywood and women's magazines take over. This is spreading to the Far East via film and the media but I do not think it is deeply rooted. Sex, emotions and the potential spirituality of sex, is bottled up as a familial obligation and mostly controlled with contrived marriage, familial regulation - or the hypocritical use of courtesans and prostitutes.
To be frank, no wonder the original BK sisters grabbed the opportunity to flee from that but did they escape the mental and emotion aspects? In my opinion, No. What is clear to me mind is that for them Brahma was a "pop star " to be projected upon with all they repressed sexual and emotional energy. This transference of sexual and emotional energy from their original families and relationships to Dada Lehkraj appears to have been used by their " God " and encouraged in the first place to bind and separate - as it does - the Om Mandali community from the wider Sindhi community from which they all came.
Now, 70 years down the line, 20 years past the expect date of Destruction, what is presented to us? Pure and holy nuns, their sex non-existent, wrapped away form the world under many layers of white. Do I buy that? Not entirely. In theory I do believe that if you are rooted to " The Godhead " you will be above and beyond sex, it will not pull you down. Few are. So where is it all and how is it being managed?
I personally think there is a dangerous concoction going on where it is not openly discussed and conceived between the Seniors and their baggage on one side and the "Honeymoon Evangelists" on the other.
Most mystic paths attempt to address it in some way, what is the BK partyline? Hang in their and fix your mind on so-called Shiva and it you start to fail come and get Dhristi from a senior?