Dear brother, Om Shanti. With reference to your doubt about Shiv and ShivBaba, I am reproducing below an extract from the Murli contained in VCD-317-Part-I-Eng., which was circulated among the PBKs. The Murli was narrated by Father Shiv through the medium of Shankar (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit). The English version produced below is only a draft translation of the original Murli in Hindi. I hope this would clear your doubt.John Bhai wrote:I would very much like you to clear this point with Baba!
"The children did not give respect to the Vani of knowledge narrated by Supreme Soul, the narrator of knowledge. And they started looking at the face of Brahma Baba. Their intellect started getting attracted to the face and facial expressions (chehra-mohra) of Brahma Baba. They liked becoming womb-born (kukhvanshaavali) Brahmins, but they could not become mouth-born (mukhvanshavali). Why could they not become? It is because they did not pay attention to the Vani that emerged from the mouth. And even here if such a thing keeps happening in the Advance Party that the Vani that emerges from the mouth, which is called Murli; love for Murli means love for murlidhar (in literal sense it means the beholder of flute; here it means the one, who narrates Murli). And if there is no love for Murli, then there is no love for Murlidhar. So here too, if such a thing goes on that - children are very much attached to the Chariot in which Shiv enters in a final form (mukarrar roop). It means that there is no attachment for Shiv; there is attachment for shav (the corpse). Shiv and shav. If Shiv does not enter into him, then what is he? He is shav (a corpse). If Shiv has entered into him then he is ShivBaba... (Someone said something) Hm, Hm? (When Shiv has entered, then he is Baba, isn’t it?) Yes, yes. Baba, Baba. There are a lot of Babas in the world, but this is ShivBaba. He is ShivBaba because Shiv has entered into the corporeal body. So the entire glory is attributable to whom? It is ShivBaba’s glory, isn’t it? It is not just the glory of Baba. It is neither the glory of Brahma Baba, nor is it the glory of the final Chariot in whom He enters. The final Chariot will get the glory when he gets revealed before the world in the form of Narayan after becoming perfect (sampoorna). Then you can call him – ShivBaba, for whom it has been said that there is nothing permanent (sadaa kaayam) in this world. It is ShivBaba alone who is permanent. So it is the ShivBaba, who attains the complete stage equal to Father; who attains the incorporeal (niraakaari), egoless (nirvikaari), viceless (nirvikaari) stage and after achieving that stage, he should accomplish the task."