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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by shivsena » 30 Jun 2009

pbkindiana wrote: Whether they are mukh-vanshavali or not,that has nothing to do with you.Om Shanti -- indie.
Dear indiana.

Yes -- it has got nothing to do with me (as i know no bk or pbk has become a true mouth-born brahmin during brahma ki raat) but it has plenty to do with those BKs and PBKs who are living under an illusion, thinking that they are mouth-born brahmins. Let each bk and pbk ask himself sincerely whether he has become a true mouth-born brahmin or not and the various titles of brahmin that are mentioned in Murlis, are be-fitting them or not. If they do not find a clear answer, then let PBKs(collectively and individually) ask Baba Dixit this very important query and see what He answers. All doubts will then be cleared.

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by pbkindiana » 01 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:
only when sacchi Gita is narrated by Ram=Shiv= Ramshivbaba.
I have never come across any Murlis that say Ramshivbaba will sermonize true Gita, so can you give me one Murli quote that says "sachh Gita will be narrated by Ramshivbaba," as i can provide you few Murli quotes that say "sachh Gita will be narrated by Shiva.

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by pbkindiana » 01 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:

If they do not find a clear answer, then let PBKs(collectively and individually) ask Baba Dixit this very important query and see what He answers. All doubts will then be cleared.
Do you expect Baba Dixit to tell each pbk whether they are mukh vanshavali or kukh vanshavali? Don't go overboard pushing the PBKs with your injudicious questions. A diplomatic mind will have the understanding that not everyone can grasp knowledge and it is not necessary that every time one should run to Baba Dixit to ask this or that. If you desire, ask questions in general, and not pushing the PBKs to run to Baba Dixit each time whenever you ask insensible questions.

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by shivsena » 04 Jul 2009

pbkindiana wrote: Do you expect Baba Dixit to tell each PBK whether they are mukh vanshavali or kukh vanshavali? Don't go overboard pushing the PBKs with your injudicious questions. A diplomatic mind will have the understanding that not everyone can grasp knowledge and it is not necessary that every time one should run to Baba Dixit to ask this or that.
If baba Dixit can take nischay patra from each and every aspiring pbk, then why he cannot answer the same query to each pbk...but the problem is that no one has the guts to ask him openly and even if asked then he will say that '' Bacchon ne Bap ko manaa hai, Bap ne bacchon ko kabul nahin kiya hai". [meaning that: ''children have accepted him as Father but Father has not accepted the children'']; that is the answer given by Baba Dixit in one of the discussion sessions long before the cds were made.
If you desire, ask questions in general, and not pushing the PBKs to run to Baba Dixit each time whenever you ask insensible questions.Om Shanti---indie
There are hundreds of discussion cds where insensible queries of Bhakti marg are asked and answered, so why cannot another important insensible query from Murli be asked openly.

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by shivsena » 05 Jul 2009

pbkindiana wrote: Do you expect Baba Dixit to tell each PBK whether they are mukh vanshavali or kukh vanshavali? Don't go overboard pushing the PBKs with your injudicious questions.
Om Shanti---indie.
Dear indiana.

I was just reading a very important Murli point which is very relevant to the topic we are discussing and all PBKs must read it repeatedly.

Murli 11-01-2002 says: "Prajapita brahma dwara mukh vanshavali brahmin rache, woh tehre bacche . Sannayasis bhi mukh se rachte hain, parantu woh bacche nahin rachte, followers rachte hain. Unko vansh nahin kaha jaata, vansh ko toh varsa milta hai.
Ek baari Mama-Baba kaha--Gyan suna toh unko varsa jaroor milega."
[meaning: "Prajapita brahma creates mouth-born brahmins, they are children. Sannayasis also create through mouth, but they do not create children, they create followers. Followers are not mouth-born progeny, only mouth born progeny get inheritance. Once you say Mama-Baba and listen to Gyan then you will definitely get inheritance."]

The above Murli point is self-explanatory. No one has becomes a real pbk(mouth-born brahmin) so far, as no one has received any sort of inheritance inspite of giving in writing. All PBKs are mouth-born followers of Sannayasi(manushya guru) who cannot call them children and cannot give them any inheritance.

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by pbkindiana » 07 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:

I was just reading a very important Murli point which is very relevant to the topic we are discussing and all PBKs must read it repeatedly.

Murli 11-01-2002 says: "Prajapita Brahma dwara mukh vanshavali Brahmin rache, woh tehre bacche . Sannayasis bhi mukh se rachte hain, parantu woh bacche nahin rachte, followers rachte hain. Unko vansh nahin kaha jaata, vansh ko toh varsa milta hai.
Ek baari Mama-Baba kaha--Gyan suna toh unko varsa jaroor milega."
[meaning: "Prajapita Brahma creates mouth-born Brahmins, they are children. Sannayasis also create through mouth, but they do not create children, they create followers. Followers are not mouth-born progeny, only mouth born progeny get inheritance. Once you say Mama-Baba and listen to Gyan then you will definitely get inheritance."]

The above Murli point is self-explanatory. No one has becomes a real PBK(mouth-born Brahmin) so far, as no one has received any sort of inheritance inspite of giving in writing. All PBKs are mouth-born followers of Sannayasi(manushya guru) who cannot call them children and cannot give them any inheritance.
dear shivsena ,

I am aware that none has become true PBKs as the personality of Prajapita hasn't become complete yet. When Prajapita becomes complete, then his children will become numberwise mouth-born brahmins, but that doesn't mean to leave the pbk family ( as you have done) just because the family has become disorganized or the personality of Prajapita has become complete yet.

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by shivsena » 07 Jul 2009

pbkindiana wrote:
When Prajapita becomes complete, then his children will become numberwise mouth-born Brahmins, but that doesn't mean to leave the PBK family ( as you have done) just because the family has become disorganized or the personality of Prajapita has become complete yet.
indie.
At present PBKs is not a family(with mother-Father seperated and children fighting) ; those PBKs who think it is a family are either fooling themselves or living in complete ignorance; it is just an organisation like bk which is preaching a philosophy (Krishna ki jhooti Gita), so there is no question of leaving a family; i have left an organisation who is teaching corrupted and adulterated Godly knowledge to its students and when the students feel that instead of spiritual upliftment they are feeling spiritual downfall, then they have every right to question and leave. When PBKs become one family in future (vasudev-kutumb), then nobody can stop them from getting united numberwise.

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by pbkindiana » 08 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:
At present PBKs is not a family(with mother-Father seperated and children fighting) ;
Yes, I agree with you that when a mother and a Father is together is called a family but only ignorant ones walk out of the family when it has become a "broken home."
those PBKs who think it is a family are either fooling themselves or living in complete ignorance;
those sensible PBKs will have the understanding that eventhough Brahma alias Krishna's soul is interfering advance knowledge, he is our mother as it is said "this Brahma is your senior mother." Those who accept Brahma alias Krishna soul as their mother will never get upset or irate when he interferes in advance knowledge and will never walk out of a family which has become disorganized.
i have left an organisation who is teaching corrupted and adulterated Godly knowledge to its students
Then don't read the Sakar Murlis which had been interfered by brahma alias Krishna's soul too. When a non-100% nirakari soul interferes in any knowledge, then it is considered as adulterated knowledge, so don't read.
and when the students feel that instead of spiritual upliftment they are feeling spiritual downfall, then they have every right to question and leave.
Only those who have accurate remembrance will progress in their spiritual endeavour. Yes, i agree with you that we have every right to ask questions and only those who don't have the assimilation will leave Father's hand.
When PBKs become one family in future (vasudev-kutumb), then nobody can stop them from getting united numberwise.
Yes, no one can stop the family from getting united but those who leave will be last ones to come back. Any Father loves the child more who never leaves the family when the family has its ups and downs. A sound mind will never leave such a Father even He hasn't become complete yet.

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by shivsena » 08 Jul 2009

pbkindiana wrote:
Yes, I agree with you that when a mother and a Father is together is called a family but only ignorant ones walk out of the family when it has become a "broken home."
Dear indiana.

I think it is the opposite; the wise (true seekers of truth) leave a dis-intigrating and degraded organisation(as PBKs left the BKs) and will search for other avenues in their pursuit of truth and in this case the potential 108 will turn to the study of Murlis and Vanis, as it is said " Murli hamari lathi hai".

Murli says: ' Ravan ko tum parampita paramatma nahin kahenge'
"Ravan ko tum Bap nahin kehenge". and "Ravan ko tum Baba nahin kahenge".


Why does Shiva has to speak such words about Ravan, unless HE sees some soul who is playing the role of personified Ravan.
All the 3 Murli points have been spoken by Shiva during 65-69 and HE has forseen Baba dixit(no. 1 dehdhari ie Krishna) as playing the part of personified Ravan(kalaa part) and is giving several subtle hints in Murlis, which will be picked up only by potentially wise 108 souls(Ram ki vanar sena) who will only believe that Ramshivbaba is the true Gita sermoniser.

It is only the wise(Gyani) 108 souls who become kings and the ignorant are destined to become praja. So it is better to be wise and progress further in spiritual knowledge, than being ignorant and live in a fool's paradise.

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by arjun » 09 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:Baba dixit(no. 1 dehdhari ie Krishna)as playing the part of personified Ravan(kalaa part)

Suppose someone starts claiming that Michael Jackson's soul has taken over the body of US President Barrack Obama, and that now onwards MJ is the owner of the body of BO, will all the Court cases (if any) pending against MJ be transferred to Barrack Obama's name? Will everyone start addressing BO as MJ? :D

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by pbkindiana » 09 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:
So it is better to be wise
you are not anywhere near to being wise as the wise ones will never point a finger at others and the wise ones will have the power of assimilation.
than being ignorant and live in a fool's paradise.
fools like you too will be going to fool's paradise( i.e golden and silver ages).

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by shivsena » 09 Jul 2009

arjun wrote: Suppose someone starts claiming that Michael Jackson's soul has taken over the body of US President Barrack Obama, and that now onwards MJ is the owner of the body of BO, will all the Court cases (if any) pending against MJ be transferred to Barrack Obama's name? Will everyone start addressing BO as MJ? :D
Dear arjun Bhai.

If MJ has left the body and has entered BO then it would be very easy to tell who is in charge of the body; If MJ's soul overpowers Obama's soul and he starts yelling music and starts dancing, instead of talking about administration of USA, then it can be very easily identified that MJ has taken over obama's body. The sanskars(characteristic) of the soul who empowers another body is self-evident.

Similarly, If PBKs claim that there are 3 souls in the body of Virendra Dev Dixit, then it can be very easily identified as to who is giving advance knowledge. If it was omnipotent supreme Shiva giving knowledge, then HE would have maintained unity and chadti kalaa of brahmins right from day one. If it was Ram's soul, then he would have also done exactly the same thing as Father Shiva as he is going to become like Shiva (Bap-samaan) and he would have made all souls like him, as it is said in Murlis that " Bap aakar aap-samaan banate hain". But since none of this has happened in Advance Party, it is very easy to deduct that it is Krishna(Bharat) who is in control of body of Virendra Dev Dixit, and who has to take himself and others in girti kalaa during brahma ki raat as per the Murli mahavakya: "Bharat giraa toh sab girae, Bharat ka uthaan toh vishwa(pbk) ka uthaan". It is so very simple and logical; just requires a deep study of Murlis and Vanis. :cool: ;-)

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by arjun » 10 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:If MJ has left the body and has entered BO then it would be very easy to tell who is in charge of the body; If MJ's soul overpowers Obama's soul and he starts yelling music and starts dancing, instead of talking about administration of USA, then it can be very easily identified that MJ has taken over obama's body. The sanskars(characteristic) of the soul who empowers another body is self-evident.
If you stand by your above statement as also your statement that Dada Lekhraj's soul is incharge of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit's body, then Dada Lekhraj's soul should have performed all those actions that it performed through its own body.

Brahma Baba allowed rakhis to be tied, Bhog to be offered, trance messengers were sent to bring messages, he brought up BKs like Princes and Princesses, built big buildings with as many comforts as possible for the children (while he himself lived in a hut), he allowed BK sisters to wear shorts and shirts while they were in Karachi, he allowed BK sisters to live alone at BK centers, allowed BKs to organize exhibitions, conferences, built museums, allowed himself and other BKs to be photographed, so on and so forth. But none of these has taken place ever since AIVV has been established in 1982-83 and AIVV continues to follow the Shrimat as far as possible. Then how can you say that Dada Lekhraj is the owner of the body of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit?
But since none of this has happened in Advance Party
This is your personal belief. You have left the Advance Party long ago. So, how can you know what kind of spiritual efforts each BK/PBK soul in different corners of the world is making? If you still like to state repeatedly that no BK/PBK is making any spiritual effort then the only inference I can draw from your statement is that you are GOD because only God can judge all the souls of the world.

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by shivsena » 13 Jul 2009

arjun wrote:
Then how can you say that Dada Lekhraj is the owner of the body of Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit?
Dear arjun Bhai.

There is no possibility of any other soul being in charge of the body of Virendra Dev Dixit.

Murli says "Krishna ko ruhani Bap nahin kahenge", So this statement of Shiva proves that Krishna(elder brother) is playing the role through the present body, because when shiv and Ram become combined(ShivBaba), then they become ruhani Bap in future and will talk to ruhani children in future. At present Krishna is talking to jismani PBKs who are his brothers, and it is said in Murlis "Bhai se varsa nahin milta, varsa Bap se milta hai." [ "brother cannot give inheritance, inheritance is received from Father.] ;so it is obvious that since no pbk has received any sort of inheritance so far, then it is Krishna(elder brother) who is in charge of the present body and when Ram=shiv, then PBKs will receive inheritance numberwise.

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Re: A list of questions to the PBKs

Post by arjun » 13 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:There is no possibility of any other soul being in charge of the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit.
You are trying to avoid the question that I have asked. You said that if MJ enters in BO, BO will act like MJ. But I have provided proofs that the soul of DL is not acting like DL when it is present in the body of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. So, how can you say that DL is incharge of the body of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit?

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