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Re: BKWSU asking for Veerendra Dev Dixit's proof he is ShivB

Post by Rudraakash » 13 Aug 2012

As i told you previously, First clear you first doubt (Also Clearly told in mu.
ALAF KO MILA ALLAH, BE KO MILI BADSHAHI...., ALAF ko samjhne se sara DRAMA KA RAZ budhi me aajayega,MUKHYA BAAT HI HAI ALAF KO SMJHNA.
WHO IS ALAF AND WHO IS ALLAH,
Who got the ALLAH and who got the BADSHAHI?
MUKHYA BAAT hi HAI ALAF KO SAMJHNA, But still you are strucking in ALAF nd ALLAH) then go ahead,
Rudraakash wrote:paramita or allah or nirakar is point of light Shiv and paramaatma or alaf or Sakar is Baba, SO Shiv Baba IS SUPREME AND Sakar ALSO BECOME BAAP SAMAN LIKE Shiva,
It is also said in the scriptures: Sagunay Agunay nahi kachu bheda (there is no difference between the corporeal one and the incorporeal one)
One more wonderfull shlok is here
AUM
PURNAMADAH
PURNAMIDAM
PURNAT PURNAMUDACHYATE
PURNASYA PURNAMADAYA
PURNAMEVA VASHISHYATE.
AUM
THAT(Shiva) IS THE WHOLE.
THIS(nirakar with Sakar) IS THE WHOLE.
FROM WHOLENESS(nirakar with Sakar) EMERGES WHOLENESS (nirakar).
WHOLENESS(Shiva) COMING FROM WHOLENESS(nirakar with Sakar),
WHOLENESS (at the end Sakar or completion of purusarth)STILL REMAINS.
From the above Shlok who should be ALAF and who should be ALLAH?

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Re: BKWSU asking for Veerendra Dev Dixit's proof he is ShivB

Post by mbbhat » 13 Aug 2012

good effort.

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Re: BKWSU asking for Veerendra Dev Dixit's proof he is ShivB

Post by arjun » 14 Aug 2012

and regarding dilwada temple- querry is not answered. Whether the Adi Dev there represents
DL or
Dixit or
Shiv in Dixit.
Adi Dev represents the number one soul - Prajapita, the soul of Confluence-Aged Narayan (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit, according to PBKs).

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Re: BKWSU asking for Veerendra Dev Dixit's proof he is ShivB

Post by mbbhat » 14 Aug 2012

Adi Dev represents the number one soul - Prajapita, the soul of Confluence-Aged Narayan (Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit, according to PBKs).
The reply is not clear. I had asked memory of Adi Dev at dilwada temple. Does that represent DL or Dixit?

Baba says- in Ajmer, there is temple of Prajapita. but PBKs believe the temple of ajmer is of DL. [they may say- Ajmer temple is of title holder Prajapita]

Similarly, Baba says- "there is temple of adi Dev in dilwada. and also says- dilwada Temple is your accurate yaadgaar". Now- does Adi Dev in dilwada temple- represent DL or Dixit?

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Post by arjun » 14 Aug 2012

The reply is not clear. I had asked memory of Adi Dev at dilwada temple. Does that represent DL or Dixit?
I think along with going to BK center for a basic course, you should go to an English speaking course for understanding English and also to an eye specialist (if you don't mind).

I have clearly mentioned the alokik name as well as lokik name (in brackets) of Adi Dev. Still you say whether it represents DL or Baba Virendra Dev Dixit.
Baba says- in Ajmer, there is temple of Prajapita.
Again a silly question. Go back to your BK teacher. Murlis say the Ajmer temple is a memorial of Brahma.
"यह बाबा भी तो नारायण का पक्का भगत था, गीता पढ़ता था। गीता पढ़ने बिगर कोई काम नहीं करता था। जब साक्षात्कार हुआ फिर समझने लगे यह झूठी गीता है, एकदम छोड़ दिया। बाप हमको यह (लक्ष्मी-नारायण का) वर्सा देते हैं। अभी तो बहुत कुछ समझ में आ गया है, शिवबाबा समझाते रहते हैं। कभी कोई शास्त्र नहीं उठाया। बाबा सुना रहा है। यह भी कहते हैं - मैं सुन रहा हूँ। कभी बाबा नहीं है तो यह भी सुनाते हैं। इसमें बाबा है, इसलिए ब्रह्मा का नाम इतना नहीं है। अजमेर में एक मन्दिर बनाया है, परन्तु कुछ समझते नहीं हैं। ... बाप बैठ बच्चों को समझाते हैं त्रिमूर्ति में कृष्ण तो है नहीं। भल करके है परन्तु गुप्त।" (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक १६.१२.०७, पृ.२ एवं ३)

“This Baba was also a firm devotee of Narayan; he used to read Gita. He did not used to perform any task without reading Gita. When he had visions he started understanding that this is a false Gita; he left it immediately. The Father gives us this inheritance (of Lakshmi-Narayan). Now he has understood to a great extent; ShivBaba keeps explaining. He never held (i.e. quoted) any scriptures. Baba is narrating. This one also says – I am listening. Sometimes when Baba is not present, this one also narrates. Baba is present in this one. Therefore Brahma is not so famous. A temple (dedicated to Brahma) has been built at Ajmer, but they do not understand anything....The Father sits and explains to the children that Krishna is not present in Trimurti. Although he is present, but he is incognito." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 16.12.07, pg 2&3 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
Similarly, Baba says- "there is temple of adi Dev in dilwada. and also says- dilwada Temple is your accurate yaadgaar". Now- does Adi Dev in dilwada temple- represent DL or Dixit?
Already answered.

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Re: BKWSU asking for Veerendra Dev Dixit's proof he is ShivB

Post by mbbhat » 14 Aug 2012

mbbhat soul wrote:- Baba says- in Ajmer, there is temple of Prajapita.
Arjun soul replied:- Again a silly question. Go back to your BK teacher. Murlis say the Ajmer temple is a memorial of Brahma.
There are two three types of Murli points- where in one it says- temple at Ajmer is that of Brahma, and another one says it is of prajapita, the third it says- The ajmer temple is of adi Dev. The former one you have already put. The latters are below.

SM 31-5-85(2):- Oonch te oonch hai ShivBaba. Phir yah bhi bichaaron ko pataa nahin hai ki Prajapita Brahma kahaan hona chaahiye. PRAJAPITA BRAHMA KO DIKHAATE BHI SHARIRDHAARI HAIN. AJMER MAY UNKAA MANDIR BHI HAI. DAADI MOONCH DETE HAIN BRAHMA KO. Vishnu Shankar ko saaf rakhte hain. Yah toh samajhne ki baath hai. Prajapita brahma sookshmvatan may kaise hogaa. Vah toh yahaan honaa chaahiye. Is samay brahma ki kitni santaan hai. Likhaa huvaa hai Prajapita brahma kumaar kumaariyaan. Itney dher hain. Toh zaroor Prajapita brahma hogaa. Chaitany hain oh zaroor kuch karte honge. Kyaa Prajapita Brahma sirf bachche he paidaa karte hain yaa aur bhi kuch karte hain. BHAL AADI DEV BRAHMA AADIDEVI SARASWATHI KAHTE HAIN. Parantu unka part kyaa hai yah kisko bhi pataa nahin hai. RACHAITAA HAI TOH ZAROOR YAHAAN HOKAR GAYAA HOGAA. ZAROOR BRAAHMANON KO ShivBaba ADOPT KIYAA HOGAA. NAHIN TOH BRAHMA KAHAAN SE AAVE? Yah nayi baatein hain na. –vvimp – 85 [Prajapita, mandir, Adi Dev]

= Prajapita brahma is shown as bodily person. in Ajmer his mandir is there. ...
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SM 4-5-77(2):- Swarg may toh bahut mouj hai. Heerey jawaaharon ke mahal hain. Vahi RK phir LN bante hain. Toh LN ko bhi itnaa pyaar karna chahiye na jitnaa Krishn ko karte hain. Achchaa Krishn ko pyaar karte hain, phir Radhe ko gum kar diyaa hai. Krishn janmaashthami manaate hain. Aur apni hum_jins Radhe ko jisko Jagadamba kahte ho unko kyon nahin poojte ho? JHOOLAA JHULATE HO, YAH BHI TUMHAARI BHOOL HAI. Maataayein Krishn ko bahut pyaar karti hain, Radhe ko nahin. Aur phir jo Brahma jo hee Krishn ban_nevaale hain unkey paas bhi koyi nahin jaate hain. Jagadamba ki to bahut poojaa karte hain jo Saraswati Brahma ki beti hai. PHIR ADI DEV BRAHMA KAHAAN GAYA? UNKAA SIRF AJMER MAY MANDIR HAI. Ab Mama hai gyaan gyaaneshjwari. Tum jaante ho vah braahmani hai. Vah koyi swarg ki devi nahin hai. Na koyi 8 bhujaayein hain. MANDIR MAY 8 BHUJAAYEIN DIKHAATE HAIN. CHITRON MAY BHI KITNI NIONSENSE NIKAAL DEE HAI. Chitr aur shaastr aadi may kitni glaani hai. -13 [Adi Dev, Prajapita, WOT, Mama, RK, chitr]

= where is mandir of Adi Dev? It is just in Ajmer.
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So- when PBKs believe that temple at Ajmer belongs to Brahma (DL), but the above Murli points say- it belongs to Prajapita and also Adi Dev.

So- does not that imply brahma (DL) = Prajapita = Adi Dev?

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Post by arjun » 14 Aug 2012

mbbhat wrote:So- when PBKs believe that temple at Ajmer belongs to Brahma (DL), but the above Murli points say- it belongs to Prajapita and also Adi Dev.

So- does not that imply Brahma (DL) = Prajapita = Adi Dev?
No. Brahma or Prajapita, both are not pure forms. Beard and moustache is a sign of sinfulness. So, they are not worshipped. The temple of Brahma at Ajmer is a memorial of only Dada Lekhraj Brahma.

Adi Dev is a worshipworthy form. Adi Dev means the first deity. Prajapita Brahma becomes Adi Dev in the end of the Confluence Age. The Murli point dated 31.5.85 quoted by you says that Prajapita Brahma should be here. But Brahma Baba has left his body long ago. Prajapita is allround actor whereas Brahma is not allround actor. So, Brahma cannot be Adi Dev.

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Post by mbbhat » 14 Aug 2012

No. Brahma or Prajapita, both are not pure forms. Beard and moustache is a sign of sinfulness. So, they are not worshipped. The temple of Brahma at Ajmer is a memorial of only Dada Lekhraj Brahma.
So- I feel- when Murli points say- temple of ajmer is of Prajapita as well as Adi dev, PBKs cannot explain properly.
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for the question whether the Dilwada Temple is yaadgaar of DL or Dxit?- they did not reply.


Now- If they say it does not represent Dixit. It is also like Ajmer and represents DL, then a point to be noted is- Baba says- dilwada Mandir is your accurate yaadgaar. And will have to accept that DL is Adi Dev.

If they say Dilwada Mandir is of Dixit, then they should be able to explain why temple of adi Dev's are just a few? [they comment on DL that- hey- DL's mandir is just one at Ajmer].

so- in either case- it does not fit. But they can always say- Oh- that is primary school class, now this is advance class, and we interpret it like this. Because we have God Shiva with us.

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Post by arjun » 14 Aug 2012

mbbhat wrote:for the question whether the Dilwada Temple is yaadgaar of DL or Dxit?- they did not reply.
arjun wrote:Adi Dev represents the number one soul - Prajapita, the soul of Confluence-Aged Narayan (Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit, according to PBKs).
Can you see the answer now? Or should I make it bigger? Unfortunately I cannot make it bigger. So, I am extremely sorry if you u cannot see the words clearly even after this.
now- If they say it does not represent Dixit. It is also like Ajmer and represents DL, then a point to be noted is- Baba says- dilwada Mandir is your accurate yaadgaar. And will have to accept that DL is Adi Dev.

If they say Dilwada Mandir is of Dixit, then they should be able to explain why temple of adi Dev's are just a few? [they comment on DL that- hey- DL's mandir is just one at Ajmer].

so- in either case- it does not fit.
Already answered several times.
mbbhat Bhai, you should be aware that Dilwara Temple is a Jain Temple and they call Adi Dev as Aadinath and not Adi Dev. Adi Dev is a name given in Murlis and by Hindus. And as per Hindus Adi Dev is Shankar - Twamadidevah purushah puranah is a glory of Shankar and not Brahma.
Adi Dev is worshipped in the form of Shankar or Shivling or Vishnu (the perfect deity form) all over India. Brahma is not worshipped anywhere except in Ajmer.

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Post by mbbhat » 14 Aug 2012

mbbhat Bhai, you should be aware that Dilwara Temple is a Jain Temple and they call Adi Dev as Aadinath and not Adi Dev. Adi Dev is a name given in Murlis and by Hindus. And as per Hindus Adi Dev is Shankar - Twamadidevah purushah puranah is a glory of Shankar and not Brahma.
Adi Dev is worshipped in the form of Shankar or Shivling or Vishnu (the perfect deity form) all over India. Brahma is not worshipped anywhere except in Ajmer.
This is pbk interpretation that Adi Dev can be = shivling= Shankar= Vishnu= confluence aged Krishna = Confleunce Aged Narayan, etc, etc. , or even more. It is up to them.

But still they cannot explain why Murli point says- the Ajmer temple is of Brahma, as well as Prajapta as well as Adi Dev.

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But still they cannot explain why Murli point says- the Ajmer temple is of Brahma, as well as Prajapta as well as Adi Dev.
Although PBKs say that the temple of Brahma at Ajmer is a memorial of Brahma Baba (Lekhraj Kirpalani), we can also say that it is a memorial of Prajapita as well because it has been said in the Murlis that there is nothing that is not applicable to the number one soul (Prajapita Brahma). Lekhraj Kirpalani was just a titleholder.

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Post by mbbhat » 15 Aug 2012

Although PBKs say that the temple of Brahma at Ajmer is a memorial of Brahma Baba (Lekhraj Kirpalani), we can also say that it is a memorial of Prajapita as well because it has been said in the Murlis that there is nothing that is not applicable to the number one soul (Prajapita Brahma). Lekhraj Kirpalani was just a titleholder.
So- now, Ajmer temple also can fit to Mr. dixit. TOTAL CONTRADICTIONS! Usually PBKs make shame of BKs - "your Brahma (DL)'s yaadgaar is in ajmer with a region near to Islam". But, now- when they have no answer, they can interpret in anyway. Anyhow- it is pbk philosophy..

And, no Murli point says what is underlined above. In fact, Murli points clearly say Lekhraj Kirpalani(DL) is the fixed Chariot and no one else can take that seat.
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Now- There are two statues of adi Dev/adinath in Mount abu.

One in dilwada temple (the black color), and the other in the hill above which has golden metal color painted. If PBKs believe that- these are yaadgaars of dixit, do vidhipoorvak pooja happen there?

If no vidhi poorvak pooja, importance of Chariot of PBKs again come down.

Still why no much numbers of yaadgaar do not exist in those forms= brahma adi Dev and adinath PBKs fail to explain. I am not asking in other forms- like Shankar.
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The purpose of putting this is- PBKs say- your Brahma(DL)'s mandir is just one. But when the same is put to them- where is mandir of Prajapita- they have no answer. They say- He is worshipped as Shankar.

In that case- even for DL it can be said that- He is worshipped as Krishna. But then they say- the real Krishna being worhsipped is also Dixit (Confluence aged Krishna)*

But- when Krishna being worshipped is praised as God of Gita, then we should wait and see their reply.

* - But, there is nothing as Conf. Aged Krishna or LN. It is mis understood and created by PBKs which is already put here- http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=39&t ... pan#p41493

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Re: BKWSU asking for Veerendra Dev Dixit's proof he is ShivB

Post by Shiv1976 » 27 Aug 2013

AUM SHANTI,

Relating to the heading of this topic "BKWSU asking for Veerendra Dev Dixit's proof he is ShivBaba", it is there in VCD 40, where a Mathaji comes and gives a magazine named "BK times" to Baba and he will read it for the students.I am not well versed in Hindi. Possibly someone could listen to what Baba is reading and confirm back. But for sure BKWSU demands proof for Veerender Dev Dixit to be Shiv Baba in that particular magazine. I think BKWSU have used the term "Veerender" instead of full name.

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