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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by mbbhat » 25 Jul 2012

Why do you not reply? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN Shankar BODY
I believe - no need to reply to irrelevant question when I have already explained it.

Dear but here is great difference between Brahma AND Shiv.
Who said No?
Shiva has to take medium but Brahma has no need to medium.
Who said No?
Brahma can not make any body patit pavan but Shiva has to take MEDIUM TO MAKE PATIT PAVAN.
Who said No?
without medium or body we can not conversation with Shiva HE HAS TO NEED COSTUME TO PERFORM HIS WORK.
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Who said No?
Just show me any point in mu. Where its written THAT HE CAN PERFORM ANY TASK WITHOUT BODY.
I have never said so. But still you assume so?!
Good
Good.

I feel PBKs ask irrelevant questions and expect BKs to answer. Even if it is explained, they cannot understand. To an addicted person, even right medicine or food will not help. It is pitiable state of PBKs. But, as per drama, it is right.

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by Rudraakash » 25 Jul 2012

dear Mbbhatt ji
What should be Yes?
Reply with relevant fact.

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by mbbhat » 25 Jul 2012

Already replied Sir in that thread. If you are interested to learn, you may read them. Else, you may do your role in drama. Is it not Sir?

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by Rudraakash » 26 Jul 2012

when already replied then why are you struck in same thing?

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by mbbhat » 26 Jul 2012

Sir,
I am not stuck here. I just included that in this list since it is very very important. I was not interested to discuss this issue here. I also had said to you (written) that you may prove there. But you only started discussing it here without reading the comments given in that topic.

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by mbbhat » 03 Aug 2012

Flaw No- 30) Sakar may niraakaar ko Yaad karo = In corporeal, remember incorporeal

PBKs quote the above Murli point and interpret it oppositely as remember incorporeal in corporeal as if the Murli point is niraakaar ko saakaar may Yaad karo.

It is never said- niraakaar ko saakaar may Yaad karo.

Actually Baba says here- In corporeal (also) remember the incorporeal .

That is- Even when you think of corporeal (matter or body), do not forget the incorporeal (soul and Supreme Soul).

This is another biggest misinterpretation of Murli point by PBKs

If it is otherwise (if Murli point says exactly what they claim) I will take back my words.
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This (flaw no. 31) is being unders discussion in another topic in detail -

http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=9&t= ... 838#p41838

rmn

Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by rmn » 03 Aug 2012

Flaw No- 30) Sakar may niraakaar ko Yaad karo = In corporeal, remember incorporeal

PBKs quote the above Murli point and interpret it oppositely as remember incorporeal in corporeal as if the Murli point is niraakaar ko saakaar may Yaad karo.

It is never said- niraakaar ko saakaar may Yaad karo.

Actually Baba says here- In corporeal (also) remember the incorporeal .

That is- Even when you think of corporeal (matter or body), do not forget the incorporeal (soul and Supreme Soul).

This is another biggest misinterpretation of Murli point by PBKs

If it is otherwise (if Murli point says exactly what they claim) I will take back my words.

THE ABVOVE POINTS WRITTEN BY MBBHAT IS VERY VERY CORRECT AS PER Murli AND SRIMAT. THANK MR.MBBHAT. U R BK OR OTHERS PL INDICATE. LIKE THIS SOME MANY POINTS ARE INTERPRET BY PBKs AND ATTRACTS BKs AND OTHERS AND COMMENTS ON BKs KNOWLEDGE. U HAVE GIVEN GOOD POINT AS PER Murli. I REQUEST ANY PBK WILL ANSWER FOR THE ABOVE AS PER SRIMAT AND Murli

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by fluffy bunny » 03 Aug 2012

rmn wrote:THE ABVOVE POINTS WRITTEN BY MBBHAT IS VERY VERY CORRECT AS PER Murli AND SRIMAT. THANK MR.MBBHAT. U R BK OR OTHERS PL INDICATE. LIKE THIS SOME MANY POINTS ARE INTERPRET BY PBKs AND ATTRACTS BKs AND OTHERS AND COMMENTS ON BKs KNOWLEDGE. U HAVE GIVEN GOOD POINT AS PER Murli. I REQUEST ANY PBK WILL ANSWER FOR THE ABOVE AS PER SRIMAT AND Murli
Ah, I see your problem rmn ... you don't know how to make a quote and so you are copy and pasting from the forum and then using capitals.

I'll help you and make it easy for you to understand.

USE THE BUTTON THAT SAYS "QUOTE" RATHER THAN THE BUTTON THAT SAYS "REPLY" AND THEN DELETE OFF THE TEXT IN THE ORIGINAL POST TO WHICH YOU WANT TO REPLY, WRITING YOUR RESPONSE UNDER THE QUOTE WINDOW. MAKING YOUR POSTS EASY TO READ AND UNDERSTAND IS A QUESTION OF RESPECT FOR OTHERS TIME AND ENERGY. ON THE EDITING PAGE, THERE ARE IS A BUTTON ABOVE THE WINDOW WHICH SAYS "QUOTE". CLICK THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE A QUOTE. CLICK OTHERS MAKE ITALICS OR BOLD TEXT. BABA SAYS, "TIME IS PRECIOUS, BE ESSENCEFUL, BE AN EXAMPLE".

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[quote]THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A QUOTE[/quote]

[quote="RNM"]THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A QUOTE WITH A NAME IN IT[/quote]

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A REPLY
Which makes ...
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A QUOTE
RNM wrote:THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A QUOTE WITH A NAME IN IT
Does that help?

If it is hard to read, try ...
Use the button that says "quote" rather than the button that says "reply" and then delete off the text in the original post to which you want to reply, writing your response under the quote window. Making your posts easy to read and understand is a question of respect for others time and energy.

On the editing page, there are is a button above the window which says "quote". Click that in order to make a quote. Click others make italics or bold text. Baba says, "time is precious, be essenceful, be an example".
Which is easier to read and more respectful of others?

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by mbbhat » 04 Aug 2012

Flaw No- 31):- Yaadgaar of Gyaanmarg in Bhaktimarg:-

PBKs say- BK activities like Bhog, toli, keeping bhandar box, etc are violation of srimaths- and hence appear in Bhaktimarg and that is the reason for Bhog, toli, bhandar in temples in Bhaktimarg.

They also point that mistakes done by BKWSU made Krishna to be known as God of Gita instead of Shiv.
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They say two things about themselves-
1)one combining Shiv and Shankar in Bhaktimarg. They believe since Shankar (Mr. Dixit) is close to shiv, they are combined in Bhaktimarg.

2)Ling form is not just incorporeal Shiv, but combination of both Sakar (A physical part of Mr. Dixit - which they believe fully pure) and niraakaar (Shiv).

Now-
1) If Shankar is combined with Shiv, then why not statue of Shankar is also along with ancient Shiv temples [Eg- in 12 jyotirlings]?

2)If Ling form is not just incorporeal, then even saligram also should be both corporeal plus incorporeal. So- is physical part of others (which are not pure) also worshiped?- because saligram is worshipped

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The point of discussion here is- Usually PBKs

---accuse BKs for their activities as if- they cause downfall of India (for example- name of Krishna put in Gita instead of Shiv), but

---praise themselves for getting mixed of Shiv and Shankar.

Now- if that is the case, BK yaadgaars in Bhaktimarg should cause downfall in Bhaktimarg, and PBK yaadgaars should cause benefit in Bhaktimarg! is it not?

So- PBKs should be able to explain how Bhog, toli, etc cause for downfall of a country or the world in Bhaktimarg.

And- how considering Shankar and Shiv as same, does benefit for India or the world in Bhaktimarg?

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by mbbhat » 04 Aug 2012

Regarding flaw No- 31 :- PBKs say- Shankar is number one, hence got mixed with Shiv. They say title of Father goes to first child Shankar.

But they fail to explain- if that is the case, how come title of Gita of God went to child Krishna? Does not that imply Krishna (Brahma Baba ) is the first child?
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Also PBKs can list what all their other activities which appear in Bhaktimarg and prove that they are for benefit for the country.

Else- if they just list BK activities and criticize them- then it automatically implies that- BKs are more powerful than PBKs! as if their (PBKs') yaadgaars have no place in drama.

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Regarding flaw No- 31,

When first statue of Shankar was seen?
[I think- initial Shiva temples were just of Shiv, later Shankar temples have come up. If PBKs know about this, they can give details]

rmn

Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by rmn » 04 Aug 2012

MR FUNNY AND BUNNY PL DO NOT TEACH ME ABOUT COMPUTER TO MAKE IN IN SMALL LETTERS OR IN BIG LETERS I WANTEDLY COPIED AND PASTED FOR U TO EASY UNDERSTAND QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS IN THE SAME DOCKET. PL GO TO HOSPITAL TO CHECK UP U R EYES. WHY U R EYES NOT ACCEPTING CAPITAL LETTERS.
INSTEDA OF CAPITAL OR SMALL PL DISCUSS ABOUT GYANAM OF SWEET BABA TO GET TRUTH AND UNDERSTANDS THE GYANAM.
THANK
MR. FUNNY AND BUNNY

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by arjun » 04 Aug 2012

rmn wrote:THE ABVOVE POINTS WRITTEN BY MBBHAT IS VERY VERY CORRECT AS PER Murli AND SRIMAT. THANK MR.MBBHAT. U R BK OR OTHERS PL INDICATE. LIKE THIS SOME MANY POINTS ARE INTERPRET BY PBKs AND ATTRACTS BKs AND OTHERS AND COMMENTS ON BKs KNOWLEDGE. U HAVE GIVEN GOOD POINT AS PER Murli. I REQUEST ANY PBK WILL ANSWER FOR THE ABOVE AS PER SRIMAT AND Murli
rmn
I have already given many Murli proofs to mbbhat Bhai to support the Shrimat that says we have to remember the incorporeal through the corporeal. But if you wish to follow mbbhat Bhai blindly you are free to do so.

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by arjun » 04 Aug 2012

mbbhat wrote:Now-
1) If Shankar is combined with Shiv, then why not statue of Shankar is also along with ancient Shiv temples [Eg- in 12 jyotirlings]?

2)If Ling form is not just incorporeal, then even saligram also should be both corporeal plus incorporeal. So- is physical part of others (which are not pure) also worshiped?- because saligram is worshipped
Shivling itself is the memorial of Prajapita (ling), Jagdamba (jaladhari) and Shiv (the point). So, no need to keep a separate picture of Shankar.

Shaligrams are memorials of the alokik Brahmins who become completely soul conscious.
Now- if that is the case, BK yaadgaars in Bhaktimarg should cause downfall in Bhaktimarg, and PBK yaadgaars should cause benefit in Bhaktimarg! is it not?

So- PBKs should be able to explain how Bhog, toli, etc cause for downfall of a country or the world in Bhaktimarg.
U r free to do Bhakti. When ur Bhakti reaches the pinnacle u will know how it causes downfall. Until then enjoy ur Bhakti. :D

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by mbbhat » 06 Aug 2012

Shaligrams are memorials of the alokik Brahmins who become completely soul conscious.
Just 8 only become completely soul conscious. But- why more numbers are worshipped?
U r free to do Bhakti. When ur Bhakti reaches the pinnacle u will know how it causes downfall. Until then enjoy ur Bhakti.
So- no explanation from gyaani tu atmas? So- it is like state/story of the fox that said- GRAPES ARE SOUR!

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Re: Flaws in PBK philosophy.

Post by arjun » 09 Aug 2012

mbbhat wrote:So- no explanation from gyaani tu atmas? So- it is like state/story of the fox that said- GRAPES ARE SOUR!
You can enjoy your ego My Lord. :D

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