PBK indiana, please tell me what was said by Krishna, what is that "second one"? This appears to me as complete chaos. PBK indiana said that Baba said that second one saying that Shiv enters in the 108 rudrabeads was spoken by child Krishna.
Yes it was mentioned in Ak that Krishna interfered saying that Shiva enters in the 108 rudrabeads.
Few years back when i visited Baba and asked Baba personally whether Shiva enters the 108 rudrabeads, Baba replied that Shiva does not enter the 108 rudrabeads but BapDada enters.
Also in one recent discussion cd, a brother asked Baba why is it said that the angry ones cannot come to heaven. That brother's question was if the angry ones cannot come to heaven, then can the lustful ones come, is it?
Baba replied that child Krishna said that.
I am very sure that most PBKs are aware of Krishna's interference in AK.
As it is said that the swans can differentiate between milk and water. Milk is Ram's churnings and water is Krishna's interferences. When we read AK, it is so clearly observed the term 'we' is used frequently. So if Shiva is speaking Ak, then He will use "I" and not "we".
For God's sake :D please, let us not make things even more complecated.
Why should it be complicating when it is a fact that child Krishna is interfering AK as he has interfered in Sakar Murlis. When I visited Baba last year and enquired why Krishna bachhi is interfering and why Shiva kept quiet when Brahma Baba interfered in Sakar Murlis --- Baba replied that he is a sweet child and the way Baba gestured that it is okay.
For years it has been taught in AIVV that Shiva enters all Rudra Mala beads. Then, suddenly, Baba said that Shiva doesn't enter anyone, only the mukarrar rath (see VCD* 975). So, according to what Baba explained in relation to this ambiguity it was Krishna who for years has been teaching us that Shiva enters Rudra Mala beads and we learn that it was wrong now, after students' questions that in fact should not have been asked, becasue we have been taught in AIVV that everything always is spoken by ShivBaba , it is 'patthar ki lakhir' and 'whatever Baba says is ShivBaba's word that is 100% true'.
On one hand we have been taught that Shiva enters Rudra Mala beads (and these supposed to be ShivBaba's words 100% true), on the other hand we heard that Shiva enters only in mukarrar rath and no one else (and these also supposed to be ShivBaba's words 100% true), on the third side we were taught about Shiva's entrance many times that 'bail par savari hamesha nahiin hain" (ride on the bull does not take place continuously) - meaning Shiva leaves the mukarrar rath from time to time (and this was also narrated by Shiva and it is 100% true). And on the fourth hand Sakar Murlis state clearly that Shiva enters other children ( I posted those points above).
If you can accept child Krishna's interferences in Sakar Murlis and AK, then one will never be confused of the ambiguity in AK. It is said that Krishna Bhagwaanuvaach leads to degradation and Shiv Bhagwaanuvaach leads to true salvation, so when did Krishna speak that causes degradation. If one can have the awareness that mother (Krishna) is interfering, then one will never get confused and agitated.
Brothers, please.... does it make sense? For me it sounds very unclear and confusing. What is the reason of all this...? ;-) What's going on?
If one has faith in ShivBaba and the permanent Chariot (Ram), then there is nothing to get confuse.