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ABOUT SRIKRISHNA BIRTH.

Post by soulpure » 04 Mar 2011

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Can anyone explain,how new & first birth will take in SatYuga.it is said that Krishna is the first pure soul to take birth in SatYuga.so if Krishna is given birth by some Advance Party BKs through Yoga power,than for how long BKs will look after him,upto what age.say he is taken care by BKs untill he becomes of age 10 that means there will be no diety parents of Krishna,only BKs are his parents.if there will diety parents than when they will be born after Krishna's birth,that means they will be younger than Krishna?

If BKs give birth to krishnas parents first than how & why Krishna can be called first soul to take birth in Golden Age.say if Krishna do not have diety parents,BKs are only his parents ,than who will take care of him after birth & upto what time.say if BKs give birth to many diety souls at a time,than when BKs will stop looking after them and how dieties will forget BKs who took care of them .will BKs suddenly disaapear from their life,wont those dieties get puzzled as to where BKs have disaapeared.please answer anyone.

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Re: ABOUT SRIKRISHNA BIRTH.

Post by arjun » 04 Mar 2011

Dear soulpure,
Om Shanti and welcome to the forum.
As regards Krishna's birth, the BKs believe that some handful of senior BKs (like the Dadis, Didis and Dadas) who have left their bodies or are leaving their bodies have taken rebirth / will take rebirth and will give birth to deities like Radha and Krishna. But they have no answer as to how handful of BKs of varying ages will give birth to 9 lakh deities by 2036, the year they believe Krishna will be coronated?

As regards the PBKs or the advance knowledge being given by ShivBaba through Shankar at present, it is believed that some four and a half lakh BKs and PBKs would survive the final destruction and give birth to another four and a half lakh deities (including Radha and Krishna) and together they will constitute the initial population of 9 lakh deities in the first birth of the Golden Age.

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Re: ABOUT SRIKRISHNA BIRTH.

Post by shivsena » 22 Mar 2011

arjun wrote: As regards the PBKs or the Advanced Knowledge being given by ShivBaba through Shankar at present, it is believed that some four and a half lakh BKs and PBKs would survive the final destruction and give birth to another four and a half lakh deities (including Radha and Krishna) and together they will constitute the initial population of 9 lakh deities in the first birth of the Golden Age.
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This figure of 4 1/2 lakh BKs-PBKs giving birth to another 4 1/2 lakh Deities is taught only in Ak and is never mentioned in any Murli.....also the concept of 2 1/2 lakh couples giving birth to 2 1/2 lakh twin children is never mentioned in any Murli.....Also which (4 1/2 lakh) will leave the body and which (4 1/2 lakh) will take birth as twin children is still not explained by AK.

Also it is never mentioned in any Murli that Radha Krishna are twin children of Lakshmi-Narayan....it is always mentioned in Murlis : "Radha-Krishna become Lakshmi-Narayan after swayamvar"...Murlis always indicate that the relation of Radha-Krishna and Lakshmi-Narayan is not known to bharatwasis(PBKs), who assume that Radha-Krishna, Lakshmi-Narayan are 4 souls (parents and children) which is never said in any Murli.

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Post by nivi » 22 Mar 2011

Dear Arjin Bhai,

The way I have understood based on Shiv Baba's teaching is the birth of Radhe & Krishna pertains to this Confluence Age only. In fact the Golden Age that Baba talks about is also within this Confluence Age. All the events in the scriptures and on path of devotion is a memorial of the events taking place right now within this Confluence Age. A time will come in the near future (within this Confluence Age) when child Krishna will be revealed with our Divya dhristi(divine vision) numberwise; first to a handful( 8) than 16,108 and so forth. When Brahma Baba i.e. Krishna's soul will realize he is not the God of Gita, but Shiv Baba is and he is simply child Krishna, the first child in this Kalpa Vriksha (Human tree). That's the time when Krishna is revealed through the corporeal medium of Shiv Baba. Son shows Father and Father shows Son will be part of the revelation of the Father. The number 18 is a very relevant and connected with Krishna and so 2018 will be a special year for the Brahmin family.

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Post by arjun » 22 Mar 2011

shivsena wrote:This figure of 4 1/2 lakh BKs-PBKs giving birth to another 4 1/2 lakh Deities is taught only in Ak and is never mentioned in any Murli.....also the concept of 2 1/2 lakh couples giving birth to 2 1/2 lakh twin children is never mentioned in any Murli.....Also which (4 1/2 lakh) will leave the body and which (4 1/2 lakh) will take birth as twin children is still not explained by AK.
ShivBaba is playing the role of a teacher (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) to clarify whatever He narrated through Brahma Baba. If He simply repeats whatever was spoken through Brahma Baba then how will He be called a teacher?

Moreover, it is nowhere written in the Murlis that Om Radhey Mama is the number one soul. But you are interpreting it that way, aren't you?
Also it is never mentioned in any Murli that Radha Krishna are twin children of Lakshmi-Narayan....it is always mentioned in Murlis : "Radha-Krishna become Lakshmi-Narayan after swayamvar"...Murlis always indicate that the relation of Radha-Krishna and Lakshmi-Narayan is not known to bharatwasis(PBKs), who assume that Radha-Krishna, Lakshmi-Narayan are 4 souls (parents and children) which is never said in any Murli.
If Radha and Krishna are born to different parents in the Golden Age, then the entire knowledge given by ShivBaba will prove to be wrong because God has come to establish one kingdom, one language, one religion and not two kingdoms.

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Post by pbkindiana » 23 Mar 2011

shivsena wrote:
This figure of 4 1/2 lakh BKs-PBKs giving birth to another 4 1/2 lakh Deities is taught only in Ak and is never mentioned in any Murli.....also the concept of 2 1/2 lakh couples giving birth to 2 1/2 lakh twin children is never mentioned in any Murli.....Also which (4 1/2 lakh) will leave the body and which (4 1/2 lakh) will take birth as twin children is still not explained by AK.
It is said in Sakar Murlis that the population in Satyug will be 900,000. So it is only logic that every couple in Satyug wil give birth to a pair of children as it is said in SM 4.5.74 -- "In Satyug, you were brother-sister. There was no other relation." and also "Conscious says first male child's soul shoud enter the womb. First male and later female will take birth." So 900,000 divide by two children = 450,000 parents. So AK says the truth.
Also it is never mentioned in any Murli that Radha Krishna are twin children of Lakshmi-Narayan
Then how will Krishna = Brahma DL and Om Radhey be born when they had already left their bodies? In the air? Definitely elevated children will take birth from the most elevated ones in sangam yug.
....it is always mentioned in Murlis : "Radha-Krishna become Lakshmi-Narayan after swayamvar"...


It means that when the sanskars of Krishna of Suryavanshi and Radha of Chandravanshi merges ie swayamvar, they become Lakshmi-Narayan.

Murlis always indicate that the relation of Radha-Krishna and Lakshmi-Narayan is not known to bharatwasis(PBKs),
Do you know who are the bharatwasis in the first place? PBKs who are rudrabeads take birth in different religions are not referred as bharatwasis. Kindly do some homework before you point a finger at the PBKs. Actually you are one of the bharatwasis who don't know who are your spiritual parents. Moreover you are insulting Om Radhey, a kanya who has purity of many births, saying that she enters into the no.1 impure lustful one. What a tremendous way of humiliating her! Your intention is to defame Rambap-Baba Dixit and the PBKs, so along the way of defaming others, you defame the pure ones too.

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Re: ABOUT SRIKRISHNA BIRTH.

Post by Roy » 24 Mar 2011

Dear Soulpure

Here are some Murli points, that indicate that the Lakshmi-Narayan of the Confluence Age, are the Ancestor souls, who receive the reward of Heaven(jeevanmukti) in this very birth; and will be the corporeal(physical) parents of the Lakshmi-Narayan(Radhe-Krishna), who receive their reward after being re-born in the Golden Age.

Please note the interpretations in brackets, do not appear in the original Murlis.

When did these Lakshmi-Narayan rule? Neither in Kalyug nor in Satyug. Heaven is established in the Confluence Age. Others cannot think so deeply. People do not require so much of elaboration.[Mu 16-11-71]

Now if we do not become Godly children our degree will be lowered. The degree of this Lakshmi-Narayan is less because there is no knowledge in them. Brahmins have knowledge. What are the people lacking knowledge called? Illiterate. This Lakshmi-Narayan cannot be called illiterate. They have got this post through knowledge.[Mu 5-6-70]

A foolish fellow cannot become master of the world. These Lakshmi & Narayan were Masters of the world is not it? They were so wise, that is why they are being worshipped in Bhakti-marg.[Mu17-6-69]

These Lakshmi & Narayan are wise; that is why they are Masters of the World. Foolish people cannot be the Masters of the World.[Mu 27-4-74]

They will be foolish in Satyug. These Lakshmi & Narayan don't have any knowledge. [Mu17-4-71]

Now everyone will say that the life of these Lakshmi & Narayan is like a diamond.[Mu 5-2-75 ]

In Purushottam Sangamyug (the Confluence Age that transforms one into a highest human being), life becomes like a diamond. Those (Lakshmi Narayan) cannot be called diamond-like beings. Your birth is like a diamond. You are Godly children, these (Lakshmi-Narayan) are children of deities. [Mu 19-5-69]

The birth in Satyug cannot be called diamond-like birth. Diamond like birth is now. In Satyug, you cannot be called broad minded.[Mu 27-10-71]

These Lakshmi & Narayan are called God & Goddess. They got the inheritance from God. [Mu18-2-71]

They become Lakshmi & Narayan through this RajYoga in this Purushottam Sangamyug only. [Mu 5-12-74]

Actually, Radha-Krishna are Prince-Princess. They are siblings. He (i.e. Krishna) cannot be called Radha's husband.[Mu 10-12-72]

In the Golden Age, you were brother-sisters. There was no other relation.[Mu 4-5-74]

Krishna's Kingdom is different and Radha's Kingdom is different, then they got engaged. Krishna and Radha were not siblings (brother and sister). Do brothers and sisters get married to each other? [3-11-77]

Later you will have divine visions. Some souls will become first class servants and maid servants also. First class servants and maid servants will look after Krishna. Ram(Confluence Aged Narayan) too has to become the servant and maidservant of Lakshmi-Narayan(after they are born as Radhe-Krishna baby twins in the Golden Age), because Lakshmi-Narayan(Radhe-Krishna of Golden Age) passed, whereas he(Ram) failed(at the beginning of the Yagya). That is why he is called Kshatriya (the warrior clan).[33-5-73 Pg-3]

Although when Krishna takes birth there are few others also who must return to the Soul World. This is the Confluence Age, a time for sinful to become pure, is not it? When they become complete, then the new Kingdom, new era of Lakshmi & Narayan begins, which is called Vishnupuri (the abode of Vishnu). Sustenance takes place through the two forms of Lakshmi & Narayan i.e. Vishnu.[6-9-77]

Krishna's birth took place in Golden Age, Radha's birth too can be said to have taken place in the beginning of Golden Age. Especially there will be a difference of 2-4 years in their age.

There will be a difference of 2-3 years in the age of Radha-Krishna. Krishna must have taken birth first. He must have taken birth to some King of Golden Age. But it’s not known when the Golden Age was? [18-2-71]

The royal court of Confluence Age is greater then the royal court of Golden Age.[20-11-85 ]

Brahma- Saraswati make efforts in the same birth and become Lakshmi-Narayan. Father says Tatt-twam (you can also become Lakshmi-Narayan like Brahma-Saraswati). These are very deep matters. [Mu. 15-4-69]

Actually, Brahma-Saraswati are not Mama-Baba. [21-7-77]


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Re: ABOUT SRIKRISHNA BIRTH.

Post by shivsena » 24 Mar 2011

pbkindiana wrote:
It is said in Sakar Murlis that the population in Satyug will be 900,000. So it is only logic that every couple in Satyug wil give birth to a pair of children as it is said in SM 4.5.74 -- "In Satyug, you were Brother-Sister. There was no other relation." and also "Conscious says first male child's soul shoud enter the womb. First male and later female will take birth." So 900,000 divide by two children = 450,000 parents. So AK says the truth.
Dear indiana, and roy Bhai and pbk brothers.

I am aware of the above point that in Satyug all souls will be brothers and sisters and that the male child will be born first and later the female child....but does the point say that there will be twins ????....each couple could very well give birth to one male and female child with a few years space between them.....also Ak does not throw any light on when these twin children will be born ( if at all they are born as twins) ie. when the Deity couple is 75 years old or when the Deity couple is just about to leave the body at the end of 150 years.

Also will all couples have one pair of twins or will have multiple twins ???
If all couples have one pair of twins, then again there will be many flaws about the progression of population at the end of treta yug(2 crores) and at the end of Satyug(33 crores), if one calculates mathematically.

Also does this theory apply only to praja souls (9 lacs BKs) or the same theory apllies to PBKs(16000) also....do they also get divided into halves.....8000 pbk souls leaving bodies and 8000 children will take birth from their 8000 pbk parents and most important : what is the criteria of which souls will take birth(by leaving bodies) and which souls will give birth(by preserving their bodies) in this "Theory of Halves."

All these matters have to be addressed and understood, if at all we have to understand how the progeny progresses in Satyug.

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Post by arjun » 25 Mar 2011

shivsena wrote:each couple could very well give birth to one male and female child with a few years space between them
The space between the two children could be a few minutes or few seconds as well.
also Ak does not throw any light on when these twin children will be born ( if at all they are born as twins) ie. when the Deity couple is 75 years old or when the Deity couple is just about to leave the body at the end of 150 years.
It would be at the ideal time. Anyway, even if an age is given in AK you won't believe saying this is not given in Sakar Murlis. It is like a university student telling a Professor that "my Primary school teacher taught me that way. How can I believe your version?"
Also will all couples have one pair of twins or will have multiple twins ???
It has already been clarified (particularly in response to your queries regarding population in Golden Age and Silver Age) that some will have one pair of twins while some (low effortmakers) may have two or more pairs of twins.
what is the criteria of which souls will take birth(by leaving bodies) and which souls will give birth(by preserving their bodies) in this "Theory of Halves."
Those who recognize and cooperate with the corporeal part of God Father will become instrumental in giving birth through this very body, while those who believe only in the mother's part played by Shiv through Brahma will take birth by leaving their bodies.
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Post by shivsena » 31 Mar 2011

nivi wrote:
That's the time when Krishna is revealed through the corporeal medium of Shiv Baba. Son shows Father and Father shows Son will be part of the revelation of the Father. The number 18 is a very relevant and connected with Krishna and so 2018 will be a special year for the Brahmin family.[/color]
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Dear nivi.

Are you trying to say that DL Krishna will be revealed through the body of VD in 2018 as Sangamyugi Krishna...but Ak teaches that Ram's soul is Sangamyugi Krishna and DL will be born as child Krishna.....can you please clarify.

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Post by shivsena » 31 Mar 2011

roy wrote:Krishna's birth took place in Golden Age, Radha's birth too can be said to have taken place in the beginning of Golden Age. Especially there will be a difference of 2-4 years in their age.
There will be a difference of 2-3 years in the age of Radha-Krishna. Krishna must have taken birth first. He must have taken birth to some King of Golden Age. But it’s not known when the Golden Age was? [18-2-71]
Dear roy Bhai.

Both the above points prove that there will be a difference of 2-4 years between the birth of Krishna and Radha in Golden Age....so does it not prove that they would not be born as twins, as taught in AK.

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Post by Sach_Khand » 31 Mar 2011

shivsena wrote: Dear roy Bhai.

Both the above points prove that there will be a difference of 2-4 years between the birth of Krishna and Radha in Golden Age....so does it not prove that they would not be born as twins, as taught in AK.

shivsena.
Guthhi sulazhanaey ke bajaay ulazhhati he jaa rahi hai. :confused:
[The thread is getting twined more and more instead of being straightened.]

Is it not?

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Post by arjun » 31 Mar 2011

shivsena wrote:Both the above points prove that there will be a difference of 2-4 years between the birth of Krishna and Radha in Golden Age....so does it not prove that they would not be born as twins, as taught in AK.
This age difference actually is a memorial of the time periods at which the Confluence-Aged Radha (believed to be Sister Vedanti by PBKs) and Confluence-Aged Krishna (believed to be the soul of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit by the PBKs) enter the path of basic (BK) knowledge in the present birth. Sister Vedanti became a BK before Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. In its memorial Radha is shown to be elder than Krishna in the scriptures. Whatever is written in the scriptures is a memorial of what happens in the Confluence Age and not in the Golden Age.

Souls like shivsena Bhai and sachkhand Bhai are free to paint the above Murli point as confusing to keep their business running.

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Re: ABOUT SRIKRISHNA BIRTH.

Post by Roy » 31 Mar 2011

Dear Arjun Bhai
arjun wrote:This age difference actually is a memorial of the time periods at which the Confluence-Aged Radha (believed to be Sister Vedanti by PBKs) and Confluence-Aged Krishna (believed to be the soul of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit by the PBKs) enter the path of basic (BK) knowledge in the present birth. Sister Vedanti became a BK before Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. In its memorial Radha is shown to be elder than Krishna in the scriptures. Whatever is written in the scriptures is a memorial of what happens in the Confluence Age and not in the Golden Age.Souls like shivsena Bhai and sachkhand Bhai are free to paint the above Murli point as confusing to keep their business running.
Thank you for clarifying this point so eloquently, and knowledgefully!

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Post by nivi » 31 Mar 2011

Dear Shivsena Bhai and Brothers,

I am just a student and still in the learning process and by no means understand the knowledge in completion. Shiv Baba is the Teacher and Sat Guru in this Godly University so it is better to rely on Murli's and Vani's spoken by Baba. Whatever I understand and write may not always be correct so it is best not to rely on others to clear doubts. That is why it is said in soul conscious state we are directly connected with the Supreme Soul and so questions are answered and cleared.

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