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Baba said ?

Post by bhagirath » 12 Jan 2012

Please read the following inaccuracy and explain if you can.

VCD* No. 220; Cass. No.701
Murli Dated 15.6.66; Clarification Date 25.4.2005
At Kadiri (A.P.)
Part-III

The Christian religious lands which emerged out of the ocean after Christ’s arrival: the European countries, America, were also submerged under the ocean. When these religions came [into existence], when their population increased, their religious lands also emerged out of the ocean. The religious lands of Buddhism spread by Mahatma Buddha: China, Japan, Indonesia, Malaya etc. These eastern countries which are shown in the east over a world map were not present over the world map 2250 years ago. When the Buddhist religion is established, the Buddhist religious lands also emerge out of the depth of the Ocean. And their population starts to spread and increase over there.

As we know, the Christian religioUs lands did not emerge out of the ocean after Christs arrival. The Roman Empire had already conquored europe before Jesus Christ came, SO THERE IS A FALSE STATEMENT BEING TAUGHT IN ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE. Please explain why this is so

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Re: Baba said ?

Post by sita » 12 Jan 2012

My interpretation is in the Advanced knowledge matter of religion is based on specific qualities, so if the Roman empire has this specifics, it can be said they are Chritians, even before Christ, this is maybe why Christianity has spread in the Roman empire. It is said about deities converting to other religions, so they aquire these qualities.

America has also had native population before being colonized. Other interpretation is that they had belonged to some one ocean of people, of one religion which got separated later with the coming of other religions. The religion in the Roman empire, Greece is like a replication of the religion with the deities. It is also possible Europe, America are some methaphors.

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Post by fluffy bunny » 12 Jan 2012

The Romans worshipped many Gods like the Greeks and before them people like the Picts, Celts, Germanic and Nordic people who worshipped nature existed. As did Asiatic shamanist Sami people right up in what would be Finland. They share DNA with the Japanese, Native Americans and Hmong of China. It is hard to argue they were all the same and Christians types.

Actually the Romans banned Christianity and Christians were punished for many years. It was only in AD 313 when Emperor Constantine made Christianity legal and in AD 391 when the worship of other gods was made illegal.

In Japan, Shinto - which Baba never mentions and is not Hindu - existed and had a long history before Buddhism arrived 1,000 years after its start in India. In China you have nature religions and then Confucianism with a written history before Buddhism arrived ... and what about Australia where the Aborigine lived? The old living people on earth.

We know that many of these people's build with trees that were already 100 or even more years old before they existed ... so how did 100 year old tree magically spring out of the salt water?

Perhaps you have to question what "lands emerged from under the oceans" mean. Perhaps it is metaphorical rather than literally?

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Post by sita » 13 Jan 2012

Within these various worship there has been differences, of course in the ways and in the people.The idea is that religion like a way of life or like some specific character one possess is not manifested through some external factors like the land or the race, but some qualities of you the soul in paricular. In the way the Roman empire has created colonies, the way of rule like divide and rule, affinity to democracy, these are all seen later in the Christian civilization, even banning heretics etc, and all of these can be seen as qualities of the souls within the original deity religion.

Yes, coming out of ocean like revealing to the world.

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Post by fluffy bunny » 13 Jan 2012

So, "the ocean" really means something like 'the unformed collective sub-conscious of the people' not the actual sea ... how unseen societies slowly emerge out of groups of people.

I think that is acceptable but not the literal understanding. The land was there beforehand.

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Post by nivi » 13 Jan 2012

The land ( and the 7 continents), all the major 9 religions, the 9 planets/ heavenly bodies are just symbolic and are representation of actual people! These people are all present in the PBK/ BK family presently.. Baba has mentioned this a few times in the clarification Murlis.


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Post by Roy » 07 Jan 2013

This may help clarify further...

A Brother said: The repetition of the geography does not fit into my intellect clearly.
Baba asked: Why does it not fit into your intellect clearly? What does geography mean?
The Brother said: Suppose, now a house has been constructed here. Suppose, marble stone is cut and brought from Rajasthan and fitted here. When everything gets destroyed, then will this marble also go there?
Baba said: When strong Earthquakes would rock the entire world and we know that in Earthquakes, the mass (labadaa) situated below (i.e. underground) comes out. Below, the fire that is contained inside, the entire stone melts and becomes liquid; it becomes fire, and just as there is an utensil, water boils in it; then what does every atom of water do with other atoms? They get mixed and become one. If one drop, a part of the drop (is added) to it. Just as there is red medicine for water, if it is added to water, then what would happen? It would immediately get mixed in the entire water. Similarly, every atom of the world reaches the same place, from where its cycle starts, at the beginning of the Golden Age, after passing through The Cycle of 5000 years. Now, small Earthquakes have been occuring since the Copper Age. When the last destruction takes place, then the hundreds and thousands of atom bombs that exist; and these bombs will explode simultaneously. Just as (the festival of) Diwali is celebrated, isn’it? So the children initially ignite crackers in small numbers, they would ignite one cracker, two crackers, four crackers, eight crackers, 10, 20, 15 crackers, they go on igniting; when they feel tired, then what do they do? They set fire to all the crackers at the same time. Similarly, all the atom bombs that exist, they would explode simultaneously. And the mountain of Mount Abu, which is made up of the hardest stone, the mountain of granite, the strongest rock of the world, where the Brahmins would do tapasya (penance) till the end, that rock would also melt in the final destruction and one cannot say in which direction that material would move. So, why can’t you understand the history and geography? And when so much heat would be generated on the basis of earthquakes, then will the water of oceans start boiling or not? It would start boiling. And the mountains of ice which are several miles in height spread on the entire Earth, at the North Pole and at the South Pole, all those mountains would melt and where would they reach? They would reach the ocean. The level of the ocean would rise. That is why it has been said that this Bombay, etc. would all get submerged. So, so much vapours would be generated in the entire world that it would rain torrentially for many days. What would be the result of continuous rains? The temperature of the Earth would fall suddenly. Ice would be formed everywhere. With the slow melting of that ice, the generation (i.e. population) that would emerge; in which country would that generation (i.e. population) exist first of all? In India. India is an imperishable land, where God Father comes and takes the revelation-like birth. That land would remain as it is for 2500 years and the continent would keep expanding. And with the completion of half a Kalpa (i.e. 2500 years), when the souls belonging to other religions start descending from above, when the dualistic age begins, then the Islamic religious land (dharmakhand) emerges from the land (sister in charge) from the ocean and the Islamic religious land, the Arab land, Africa keep expanding. A land got added along with India. Similarly, before the arrival of Mahatma Buddha, the Buddhist religious land gets ready. For example, the foetus gets ready in the womb beforehand, isn’t it? The soul enters later on, but the foetus (pind) gets ready beforehand. Similarly, the souls belonging to other religions come later on, and the Eastern religious lands, Japan, China, Afganis (sister in charge) this Indonesia, Tibet, emerge from the ocean first. Similarly, the Christian religious lands, Europe, America also emerge from time to time. So, the Earth keeps expanding. By the end of the Iron Age, when God arrives, when the task of establishment gets accomplished, when the founda(sister in charge) of destruction, when the destruction is over, when the foundation for sustenance has already been laid, then all the religious lands submerge in the ocean because the level of Earth (sister in charge.) the level of ocean rises. With the rise in the level of oceans, the religious lands which did not exist earlier in the Golden and Silver Age, all of them vanish. Only India remains. So, did you understand the geography or not? [Discussion Class 254]

I think the "sister in charge" in brackets after each land rise reference for a particular religion, refers to Brahmin sisters(or Dadis) who are the root souls, that represent that land-religion in the Confluence Age, when becoming appointed/known in the Copper Age shooting, that went on from 1969, in the BK Yagya. But then we learn right at the end of this extract, that they are submerged(exposed and exiled) towards the end of the Confluence Age(the start of the subtle Golden Age that lasts for several years before the practical Golden Age is finally established) by the Ocean of Knowledge, Ram ShivBaba(Shiv+Prajapita-Ram); when they are exposed as being the opposing souls of God, in front of the Brahmin family. Only (Mother) India remains/survives... referring to Sister Vedanti(Bharat Mata/Sita-Lakshmi), who becomes Lakshmi(Saraswati), the Goddess of Knowledge and Wealth, at the end.

"Do you know Prajapita Brahma(Ram) and his mouth-born creation (child Krishna Brahma Baba)? The one who is called Saraswati(Sita-Lakshmi) is the Goddess of Knowledge (aka Shri Lakshmi of the Confluence Age). She is called the Goddess of Knowledge...

... She(Saraswati-Sita) is also called the Goddess of Wealth(Lakshmi). At that time (i.e. before Sita recognises that Father Shiv has entered Prajapita-Ram), she is not the Goddess of Knowledge. This Brahma(Ram) and Saraswati(Sita) then (after Sita has recognised the living or practical Ram ShivBaba) become the king and queen (i.e. Lakshmi-Narayan or Ram-Sita of the Confluence Age, at the beginning of Ramraj, 111, which actually starts in the Confluence Age itself). Therefore, their children must surely also become the masters of heaven (i.e. Radhe-Krishna-Mama-Baba, are born to Ram-Sita, after 2036/7, in the Golden Age)." [Mu 17.12.08]

"The last slogan, "Bharat Mata(Sita-Lakshmi) shakti avatar" is sung... Now the avaykt part is of shakti, when everyone stabilises in the shakti form, then all (of you) put together will show wonders (to the Brahmin world first of all)... If everyone stablises in the shakti form, then your lost bhakts(devotees), will come in front of you like a magnet... It will not take much time." [Av 18.05.69]

When the Queen Bee (Sita-Lakshmi) of honeybees flies (to Prajapita-Ram aka Narayan at the end), then all the bees run behind it. It is wonderful, is not it? [Mu 05.08.05]

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