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Post by arjun » 19 Aug 2006

John Bhai wrote:You are the second person recently to indicate Murli is not that important. One a BK and one a PBK. It seems like you are saying once Baba is found Murli (the map) is not needed?
Dear brother, Om Shanti.

Please do not misunderstand that once Baba is found the Murli is not needed. It is not the case. Just as the scriptures of the Bhaktimarg were a stepping stone to getting the basic BK knowledge, in the same way the printed Murlis and Avyakt Vanis are a stepping stone to realizing the new role of ShivBaba being played presently.

Since Baba has Himself said in the Murlis published by the BKs that the Murlis that is narrated face to face is 1st class, and that available in audio/video CDs/Cassettes is 2nd class; the third class Murlis, i.e. the Murlis printed by the BKs appear less significant for the PBKs who are used to getting fresh food for the soul in the form of 1st or 2nd class Murlis. But many of the PBKs do study the BK Murlis also to search for points which can help other BKs to recognize the practical role of Father.

Some sticky threads in this section are a testimony to this fact. When we are in such circumstances where we cannot access the 1st or 2nd class Murlis, we can surely make good use of our time by going through the 3rd class Murlis, i.e. Murlis published by BKs/PBKs.
With regards,
OGS,
Arjun

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Post by creative » 12 Oct 2006

Om Shanti Arjun Bhai.

I just want to know whether Avyakata Vani through Dadi Gulzar is called Murli. Thank you.

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Post by arjun » 12 Oct 2006

Dear Creative Bhai,

Om Shanti. There can be two perspectives to your question.

One is from the BK perspective. It has been said in one of the earliest Avyakt Vanis (of January, 1969) that only the versions narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba can be termed as Murlis. Avyakt Vanis are only for a spiritual chit chat between Avyakt BapDada and BKs. For many years BKs have published Avyakt Vanis as Avyakt Vanis only. It is only a recent phenomenon that they have started calling Avyakt Vanis as Avyakt Murlis, which is not correct.

The second perspective is a PBK perspective. As per the advance knowledge being given by Father Shiv through Shankar (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) the versions narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba and the versions being narrated through the medium of Shankar presently can be termed as Murlis. The versions being narrated through Gulzar Dadi cannot be called Murlis because they are being narrated by the soul of Brahma Baba (Lekhraj Kirpalani) and only contain dharana points and not the knowledge of the beginning, middle and end of the world cycle.
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Re: Sitting with, living with, knowing ShivBaba

Post by shivsena » 12 Oct 2006

button slammer wrote:It is something to be understood.
Dear slammer Bhai.

I fully agree with you that this phrase is very difficult to understand ; if one can understand the very subtle meaning of this statement by the third eye of intellect then many things in Godly knowledge can be seen in different light. In fact, if one takes it literally then one can be grossly mistaken and may bask in ignorance for a long time and in the end may realise that he has completely missed the bus.

shivsena.

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