Father ShivBaba (Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba or God) ONLY makes a soul yogi.
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This has ALREADY been CLARIFIED, IN DETAIL, in earlier post, in this topic, dated 14 Apr 16 -
You have not explained anything.
Father makes children a yogi by himself giving his own introduction. For Yoga we need knowledge. Even mother Brahma is not able to give the introduction of the Father. Father himself has to come and introduce himself and make the children yogis.
The process of making someone a yogi is through knowledge, practical coming into contact and making someone become co-operative in the task.
Yoga is said to be love. We cannot love or hate a point of light. A point of light does not have qualities. We love or hate corporeal personalities.
We love those who bring us benefit. There is only one supreme Father who is benefactor to all. It is said that our's is easy remembrance. We remember face to face. Whatever we see, we remember. In the Murli, it is said that those who used to come into contact with the corporeal one, find remembrance to be very easy. We need to have full introduction of the Father, with his name, form, place, time and acts.
The BKs put pictures of Dadi Gulzar and propagate that the corporeal form of God is this one now. God is not in a female form, but they see this, so they remember this.
One who is co-operative becomes yogi. Wherever our body goes, wherever our mind goes, wherever our money goes, our mind goes there. If we invest our money with human beings we will remember human beings. If we cooperate with human beings we will remember human beings. It is not a matter of feelings and attitude. People have made actions in the name of God for many births, but God was not there. Only when he comes in a corporeal, practical form and he manages the money with his Shrimat will our money be successful. If human beings manage our money, they will use it wrongly. If we surrender our body to the authority of humans we will become their subordinates. If we surrender to one, corporeal, practical Father, we become free from bowing down to others, but the Father also makes us equal to himself. Human beings will make us as high as their level, at the most.
Those who have come in contact with Brahma Baba are considered great yogis. Whatever we remember we become the same, same is our faith. Brahma Baba was having the intoxication that he will become a prince in the Golden Age, so it is very difficult to explain to people who are attached to him and are his firm followers that we have to change in this life itself. Even if it is clearly mentioned in the Murli, they are, not able to understand it, because their aim is to follow Brahma Baba and leave the body.
The Father makes us yogis in the form of the Father, not in the form of the mother, that is Brahma Baba. The form of Brahma Baba is the form of the cool moon of knowledge. Through the form of the mother the milk of knowledge is only narrated, not explained. The role of the Father, teacher who explains, and the guru, is played through one personality, that is not Brahma Baba. Yogi souls cannot receive a heart attack.
CONCERNED viewers should, by now, be aware that there are, IN EFFECT, TWO DIFFERENT HALVES of the 'Kalp Vraksh' or Spiritual 'Cycle Tree', (with 'APPARENTLY' TWO DIFFERENT Spiritual Seeds), EACH having their own followers, using the VERY SAME Versions in the SMs and AVs to present their respective views, but, IN EFFECT, promulgating TWO DIFFERENT IDEOLOGIES - ONE BEING REAL and the OTHER BEING APPARENT - the SEED of ONE being Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, propagating the PURE & UNADULTERATED Knowledge through His 'mukrar-rath' of REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR; and the 'Seed' of the OTHER being Ravan or Maya, (MASQUERADING as APPARENT 'ShivBaba', APPARENT 'Ram', etc. - being the 'Ishwariya Rup' or Godly Form or Ravan or Maya), influencing the propagation of the CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, through the 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan, (MASQUERADING as APPARENT 'Prajapita Brahma, APPARENT 'Shankar, etc.).
Thus, since the followers of EACH of the above TWO DIFFERENT ideologies, are STILL in the process of making spiritual efforts; and since the followers in EACH of the above TWO DIFFERENT ideologies, would STILL be NUMBER-WISE, in their respective, FINAL Spiritual STATUS - it would NOT BE POSSIBLE for any follower of any one ideology to READILY APPRECIATE the viewpoint of any follower of the other ideology, (in the interim period - as long as EACH GROUP of followers remains TOTALLY ATTACHED to their OWN ideology, to the COMPLETE REJECTION of the other), since the CORE REFERENCE POINT or the 'SEED' itself, of EACH, is DIFFERENT!
The BKs have closed their doors for the PBKs. They don’t think their God is God to all, and the benefit of everyone will happen trough him. They have started propagating two gods. But we should not generalize like this, I know many BKs who are sensible. Golden Heart is making a negative advertising of the BKs. I suggest he uses his own name and also avoid generalizing. If a pbk says something here, we cannot draw a conclusion about the Advance Party, there are all types of PBKs. Similarly whatever Golden Heart says, we shоuld not take it too seriously. The difference is that it is not so easy to find out the BK stand so clearly, there are differences of opinion in the BKWSU itself. But whatever is said about the advance knowledge, it could be verified.
and since they have ALREADY qualified themselves for that STATUS
How do we qualify? What does it mean? To qualify means to become of that quality, is it not? To imbibe the qualities, to become it. Or will it be enough if souls just promise ... OK Baba, we promise, in the Golden Age we will be deities, now let us go. No. If we don’t imbibe the qualities here and now, if we don’t create these sanskars now, from where will we have them in the Golden Age. And if we imbibe these qualities now, then we would have become that.
If to qualify meant only to have it in the mind that I will become that still, when we will become that? In the Golden Age? Baba has said so many times to not wait for time and not think that when the time comes we will make effort, we will become. If we don't become now, we would never become.
THESE VERY SOULS, who hold the HIGHEST OFFICE of Lakshmi and Narayan in G A, are ALSO instrumental to establish EACH & EVERY MAJOR RELIGION
This is some new knowledge that you propagate. Do you say Lakshmi & Narayan become instrumental to establish each and every major religion, or have I got it wrong?
hence the question of ALL religions worshiping Lakshmi and Narayan DOES NOT ARISE.
Such question may not arise in your mind, because you must not be accepting the Murli. In the murl point i have quoted it is clearly said that souls of all the religions worship Lakshmi & Narayan. Those who speak against the Shrimat from the Murli are Ravan community. The souls of other religions remember the souls of Lakshmi & Narayan, as Adam and Eve. And no, it is not a matter of the Golden Age. How would the souls of the other religions know about them in the Golden Age? In the scriptures of the other religions also, Adam and Eve are there in Heaven, and God is also there. This heaven is the heaven of the Confluence Age, where God is there. And the recognition about who are the souls of Adam and Eve is there only in the Confluence Age, not even in the Golden Age.
This Version DOES NOT AT ALL IMPLY that there exist Conf Aged Lakshmi and Narayan, as DELUSIVELY claimed by Veerendra Dev Dixit and the PBKs. Symbolic titles of Confluence Age 'R&K' and 'Lakshmi and Narayan' can ONLY be apportioned to Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama or the souls of DLR & Om Radhe, and NONE OTHER)
Baba has said ... when the truth reveals, falsehood opposes. You can write one and the same thing again and again, so as to prevent people to perceive the truth. But truth will win.
“You (Righteous) Children (who have to become the PRINCIPAL Sovereigns in Satyug or Golden Age) have to become complete with all the virtues, perfect with 16 celestial degrees HERE (in the Confluence Age, ITSELF - since God DOES NOT go to the Golden Age to MAKE them COMPLETE & PERFECT, THERE).” (Mu.25.03.74, end of pg.1).
You were not able to give any reply here. You become 16 celestial degrees here. What does it mean. If here we become 16 celestial degrees, what will we would have become? A deity, is it not?
Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, has already stated in several SMs, that the souls of Brahma Baba and Saraswati Mama, who become the VERY FIRST Lakshmi and Narayan in G A, will, in later births, interchange their Male & Female costumes, to hold the HIGHEST OFFICE AGAIN!
Saraswati Mama becomes the FIRST Ram of S A and Brahma Baba becomes the FIRST Sita of S A, later during The Cycle.
Certainly, we know that. But if Brahma Baba is in a male body in the first birth of the Golden Age, interchanging female and male bodies, if there are 8 births in the Golden Age, he will again be in a male form in the first birth of the Silver Age. The account becomes correct only if there are 9 births in the Golden Age, the 9th one being the one of the Confluence Age.
If Lakshmi and Narayan become Ram and Sita, who is Ram who is being mentioned in the Murli, for whom it is said that he failed so he received the throne of the Silver Age, for whom it is said that he will become servant of Radha and Krishna in the Golden Age? Who is this Ram, if Brahma Baba becomes Ram.
VERY MUCH CONTRARY, to what Veerendra Dev Dixit has TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED the BLIND PBKs into DELUSIVELY believing, that Brahma Baba is 'DEAD' - Brahma Baba has ONLY left his OUTER garment of the corporeal body, and is VERY MUCH OPERATING on this CORPOREAL SPHERE, in his SUBTLE BODY, (VERY MUCH MORE SPEEDILY & EFFICIENTLY than when he was constrained by his corporeal body), ALONG WITH ShivBaba or God, and the TWO of THEM CANNOT be separated from EACH OTHER even for ONE MOMENT!
You may say that the soul of Brahma Baba is very much present there and active, etc. We also believe the same. But the involvement in the BKs he has is negligible. He is not practically managing the family, nor is his advice sought for any matter, practically it is the human beings who are in charge of the BKs, not God.
Even when they gather, the intoxication the BKs receive is from their own big gathering, rather than from the meeting, it is from the pomp and the show.
IT WOULD BE FUTILE TO EVEN TRY TO EXPLAIN THE SUBTLEST ASPECTS OF THE KNOWLEDGE TO SOULS WITH CORRUPTED & INVERTED INTELLECTS, LIKE MAHA-MURKH Virendra Dev Dixit
, AND THE EQUALLY 'MAHA-MURKH', BLIND PBKs, SINCE ONE WOULD FIND ONESELF GOING IN 'CIRCLES' ALL THE TIME, WITH NOTHING ACHIEVED IN THE BARGAIN! NO ATTEMPT IS BEING MADE TO EXPLAIN THESE ISSUES TO THEM, AND THE CLARIFICATIONS ARE NOT DIRECTED AGAINST THEM, AT ALL! SUCH CLARIFICATIONS ARE ONLY MEANT FOR GENUINE SPIRITUAL SEEKERS, WHO DESIRE TO CHURN ON THE DEEPER ASPECTS OF THE PUREST KNOWLEDGE OF GOD! HENCE CONCERNED PBKs ARE REQUESTED TO IGNORE SAME, SINCE SAME ARE NOT MEANT FOR THEM OR DIRECTED AGAINST THEM!