Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

DEDICATED to PBKs.
For PBKs who are affiliated to AIVV, and supporting 'Advanced Knowledge'.
Post Reply
sita
Posts: 1300
Joined: 18 May 2011
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I would like to take part in healthy discussion on topics of knowledge, sharing with fellow souls, for common benefit.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by sita » 24 May 2016

There are other Murli points about rejuvenating of soul and body.
It is good you realize there are points about rejuvenating the body. Certainly it will tally, because the advance knowledge propagates about rejuvenating the body.
how it is B so V in one second, and V so B in 5000 yrs.
What is not clear in this?

mbbhat
BK
Posts: 3245
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Affinity to the BKWSU: BK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I am a Bk and a writer. I have been benefited a lot by the knowledge given in BK institution. I also have materials written totally on logic without BK knowledge. Anyone can get them as attachments for free by email.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by mbbhat » 24 May 2016

sita wrote:What is not clear in this?
Nothing is clear (except, maybe, to CORRUPTED & INVERTED INTELLECTS). You may review what all is asked in previous last 2 to 3 posts.

sita
Posts: 1300
Joined: 18 May 2011
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I would like to take part in healthy discussion on topics of knowledge, sharing with fellow souls, for common benefit.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by sita » 26 May 2016

One point, pointing that Lakshmi as about the Confluence Age.

“Lakshmi means the devi of wealth. Not that physical wealth, [but] the devi, meaning the giver of the wealth of knowledge, the wealth in the form of powers. [...] She may give knowledge or she may give powers.” (A.V. 23.1.76, pg.20, beginning)

mbbhat
BK
Posts: 3245
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Affinity to the BKWSU: BK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I am a Bk and a writer. I have been benefited a lot by the knowledge given in BK institution. I also have materials written totally on logic without BK knowledge. Anyone can get them as attachments for free by email.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by mbbhat » 26 May 2016

sita wrote:One point, pointing that Lakshmi as about the Confluence Age.

“Lakshmi means the devi of wealth. Not that physical wealth, [but] the devi, meaning the giver of the wealth of knowledge, the wealth in the form of powers. [...] She may give knowledge or she may give powers.” (A.V. 23.1.76, pg.20, beginning)
It again means that Baba is explaining how the VERY SAME soul of FIRST Lakshmi of Golden Age in a pure body, attained that status by virtue of her efforts and qualifications in her previous birth in the Conf Age while in an impure body. It just means that the SAME soul of FIRST Lakshmi of Golden Age was 'Devi' or 'Goddess' of Knowledge, Saraswati, in her previous birth in the Conf Age (SPECIFICALLY referring to the soul of Om Radhe or Saraswati Mama - who has PERFORMED THIS TASK PRACTICALLY through her corporeal body prior 1965, and is STILL PERFORMING THIS TASK PRACTICALLY through her subtle form, to date). One may interpret that the VERY SAME soul is 'Lakshmi' IN-THE-MAKING in the Conf Age, BUT THERE IS NO SEPARATE SOUL INVOLVED in the Conf Age, to be designated as Conf Aged Lakshmi, who is DIFFERENT from the soul of the FIRST Golden Aged Lakshmi. THIS IS THE CORRUPTION, ADULTERATION, DISTORTION & PERVERSION INTRODUCED by Ravan or Maya, in order to CREATE CONFUSION & CHAOS, BIFURCATION & DUALITY in the minds of certain souls, who are instrumental to carry out the 'shooting' of HiranyaKashyap and Ravan Rajya, within the Yagya, in the Conf Age - ALL, PERFECTLY, AS PER DRAMA PLAN, OF COURSE - NOTHING NEW - only needs to be understood in the proper perspective - THAT's ALL!

Similar Murli points are -

1) Ek2 gyaan ratan laakhon rupyon kaa hai
= Every jewel of knowledge is equal to lakhs of rupees.
[Can you equate points of Knowledge given by Baba, at PRESENT, to rupees of the PRESENT world?]

2) Yahee gyaan ratan phir vahaan heere ke moti ban jaayenge (almost in similar words)
= The same jewels of knowledge will then become diamonds there.
[You might have read this Murli point. This makes it clear. It means the 'WEALTH of PRESENT KNOWLEDGE, in the Conf Age, is equal to (or gives) the WEALTH (or PROSPERITY - PROPORTIONATELY), in the Golden Age].

3)Usually baba says- Rudrmala is of ShivBaba, Vishnumala/Vijaymala is of Vishnu (NOT of Shiv). But, there are also Murli points which say- Vijayamala of ShivBaba.
[Because the (human) beads in both the malas are same].

SM 29-10-82(1):- Geeth- marna teri gali may. .. Om Shanti. Gali may aakar marnaa hota hai? Manushy chaahte hain ki hum muktidhaam may jaave. PARAMPITA PARMATMA ShivBaba KI VIJAYMAKLA MAY PIRO JAAVE. BACHCHE YAH JAANTE HAIN JO BHI MANUSHY MAATR KI AATMAAYEIN HAIN VAH BAAP KE GALEY KAA HAAR ZAROOR HAIN. Jaise lowkik Baap ki rachnaa, lowkik Baap ke galey kaa haar hai. Bachche Baap ko Baap bachchon ko Yaad karte hain. Vaise vaastav may jo bhi aatmaayein hain vah sab Yaad karti hain parampita parmatma Baap ko. Vah hai hadh ka Baap, yah hai behad ka Baap. Harek manushy chaahte hain hum mukti ko praapt kare. KYONKI NIRAAKAAR KE GALEY KAA HAAR ARTHAATH MUKTI. AUR Vishnu KE GALEY KAA HAAR ARTHAATH JIVANMUKTI. BAAP MUKTI AUR JIVANMUKTI DETE HAIN. Behad ke Baap ke bachche banenge tab to unkey galey ka haar honge. Lowkik Maa Baap ke galey kaa haar hain bachche. -33 [mala] = SM 29-10-82(1) – 66

4) Most of the times- Baba says- Rudrmala is different than Vijaymala. Rudrmala belongs to Paramdham (or just before returning there, that is after the final results are announced), Vijaymala is of Heaven. But- here Baba says- Rudrmala is Vijaymala.
What it means is that the FLUCTUATING Brahma ki mala, or the FLUCTUATING Rudra or Shiv ki mala, (during the intervening EFFORT-MAKING period, when the beads keep on changing), when it becomes FINAL, it WOULD BE designated as Vijaymala;
and it may be considered as Vijaymala of Rudra or Shiva, at the VERY END of Conf Age;
and may ALSO be considered as Vijaymala of Vishnu, at the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age -
SINCE BOTH THESE RELATIVE POINTS OF TIME, (described in DIFFERENT WAYS) ARE EXACTLY THE SAME ONE POINT OF TIME, viz., THE VERY END of Conf Age EQUALS the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age.
A VERY DEEP, SHARP and SUBTLE INTELLECT is required to grasp these TRUTHS in the proper perspective!
Interested viewers may like to review the earlier posts on the subject, in the links below -
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2602&start=60#p51027
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2624&p=50027&hilit=mala#p50027

SM 14-3-76(1):- Baap Brahma dwara sab samjhaani dete hain. VIJAY MALA JISKO RUDR_MALA KAHA JAATAA HAI, JO MANUSHY POOJTEY HAIN. Sumirtey hain. Tum bachche samajhte ho yah rudrmala sirf sumiri jati hai yaa pooji bhi jati hai?

There is a saying- ishaarey se jo samjhey devtaa...
= deities understand just by signs.

Since Baba knows that- and he has already clarified many times in Murlis - the righteous children will not get caught in words and figures - just by taking ISOLATED points, to the COMPLETE EXCLUSION of other points, as is the case of the PBKs and their bodily guru, Virendra Dev Dixit.

5) Mu Point:- Baath ko math pakado, bhaavnaa ko pakado.
= Do not catch the words, catch the (TRUE or PURE) INTENTIONS!

If we take isolated Murli points and churn without ishwariya buddhi- the result would be failure - or 'shooting' of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya in the Conf Age - which is EXACTLY WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON, WITHOUT THE SLIGHTEST DOUBT WHATSOEVER!!!
-----

BTW- according to PBKs, sister Vedanti is Conf. Aged 'Lakshmi' and she does not have any (SO CALLED ADVANCED) knowledge.- "in their view or any view" So, in WHAT way can she give either knowledge or power? To whom all has she given sustenance of the so-called advanced knowledge, so far?
----------
This is another CLEAR example to DEMONSTRATE that - When PBKs read/use Murli points, they just try to see whether any Murli point can SOMEHOW (fragmentally & superficially) be interpreted according to their needs/philosophy, and they never BOTHER or EVEN try to understand the Murli points (HOLISTICALLY or in DEPTH), in right context, or at least neutrally. Hence, according to Drama Plan, the MORE they try to use the original Pure Versions of REAL ShivBaba or God, (to justify their DISTORTED philosophy) - the FASTER they will EVENTUALLY get EXPOSED as to what they ACTUALLY ARE;
or, in other words, the VERY SAME POINTS used by them will be responsible to EVENTUALLY EXPOSE, 'HANG' or CONVICT THEM, by their OWN INNER CONSCIENCE!
THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE POWER WHICH IS POTENTIALLY RESIDENT WITHIN THE POWERFUL WORDS or PURE VERSIONS of REAL ShivBaba or God!

sita
Posts: 1300
Joined: 18 May 2011
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I would like to take part in healthy discussion on topics of knowledge, sharing with fellow souls, for common benefit.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by sita » 30 May 2016

“Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar will not be called God. (Bhagavan). In fact Shri Radha - Krishna that is Lakshmi - Narayan will also not be called (God). They are deities. Those of all religions know. IN the beginning these very Lakshmi Narayan ruled in Bharat. Theirs is not the law of God- Goddess (Bhagavan -Bhagavati). Even if they are called, it is because God gave them birth, so certainly they were God - Goddess.” Murli 16.2.72

This quote says that God gives birth to Lakshmi and Narayan. In Satyug Radha and Krishna will take birth through their deity parents and no one can be called God Goddess in Satyug, so in the above quote Baba speaks about the Confluence Age.

Taking birth from God is that for one who is the highest on high there is no corporeal medium of God in front of him. For him it is said that on saying Baba, in your (said in single) mind a point (of light) comes. For all the rest God has a corporeal form. To get birth by god means there is God for them and they claim their inheritance from him as their birthright, that is possible only in the Confluence Age.

It is also said that Lakshmi takes the wealth (of knowledge to distribute) from her husband from Narayan, so he must be a knowledgeful soul. Knowlegeful souls are there in the Confluence Age.

In one point it is said that it is in fact Jagadamba who gives (distributes) the knowledge, but why do they show Lakshmi. Lakshmi is also about the Confluence Age. The difference between Brahma and Saraswati and Lakshmi and Narayan is that deities are revealed as couples, and Brahma and Saraswati have the relationship of father and daughter. Lakhsmi and Narayan being a couple means they come from different fathers. Krishna (of the Confluence Age) belongs to the Sun dynasty, his father is the Sun of Knowledge and Radha belongs to the moon dynasty and her father is the moon of knowledge.

These are some more points about becoming Lakshmi and Narayan in the Confluence Age:

Brahma- Saraswati make efforts in the same birth and become Lakshmi-Narayan. Father says Tatt-twam (you can also become Lakshmi-Narayan like Brahma-Saraswati). These are very deep matters.
[Mu. 15-4- 69 Pg-4]

Now if we do not become Godly children our degree will be lowered. The degree of this Lakshmi-Narayan is less because there is no knowledge in them. Brahmins have knowledge. What are the people lacking knowledge called? Illiterate. This Lakshmi-Narayan cannot be called illiterate. They have got this post through knowledge. [Mu 5-6-70 Pg-3]

There is a difference between becoming a world Emperor and an Emperor of Satyug also.
[Av 28-1-85 Pg-146]

Highest Father gives highest inheritance. They are Bhagvan-Bhagvati (God-Goddess). Then, at the second number are Lakshmi & Narayan, masters of Satyug. [Mu 8-1-75 Pg-2]

These Lakshmi & Narayan are called God & Goddess. They got the inheritance from God.
[Mu 18-2-71, P- 3]

They become Lakshmi & Narayan through this RajYoga in this Purushottam Sangamyug only. [Mu 5-12-74]

mbbhat
BK
Posts: 3245
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Affinity to the BKWSU: BK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I am a Bk and a writer. I have been benefited a lot by the knowledge given in BK institution. I also have materials written totally on logic without BK knowledge. Anyone can get them as attachments for free by email.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by mbbhat » 30 May 2016

sita wrote:This quote says that God gives birth to Lakshmi and Narayan.
1) Giving birth means purification/transformation. It happens through knowledge. That is why Baba says-
I create Brhahmin, Deity and Kshatriya religions. So, all come under one.
'Creation', (or more accurately 'Re-Creation'), means giving 'Spiritual Birth', (or more accurately 'Spiritual Re-Birth'), to the souls of FIRST Lakshmi & Narayan of G A (with pure bodies), in their previous impure bodies in the Conf Age, when they are Brahma & Saraswati - who may be called as God-Goddess in the Conf Age when they achieve their 'karmateet avastha', and COMPLETE REAL-EYEzation as soul-mates or 'yugal-danas', in 1976, (hence the significance of the relevant point regarding Lakshmi and Narayan, in 1976, pertains to the souls of Brahma & Saraswati, or DLR & Om Radhe, ONLY). This aspect has ALREADY been discussed earlier, but same CANNOT sit in the IMPURE & INVERTED INTELLECTS of the PBKs!
It is also said that Lakshmi takes the wealth (of knowledge to distribute) from her husband from Narayan
2) It is said for physical wealth. Even in G Age, it would be Lakshmi/Radha leaving her home and joining Narayan/Krishna. So, Narayan/Brothers only would be fully stable or the real owners.
Besides, Om Radhe or Mama (Lakshmi) ALSO takes the Spiritual Wealth of Knowledge from ShivBaba, THROUGH the LOTUS Mouth of DLR or Brahma Baba (Narayan), and the aspect of Narayan being her husband refers to the future. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
And- mostly- Baba had said this keeping lowkik people in mind- as the lowkik people think just of lakshmi - when the question of wealth comes. They forget Narayan. Actually, it is both. Baba says- God of Knowledge is Brahma, Goddess of Knowledge is Saraswati. But, people think just one (Saraswati). They have forgotten the Chariot.
--BTW- what do PBKs say here- Since it is said Goddess of Knowledge is Saraswathi- neither Prajapita, nor Brahma, nor Narayan, nor Ram, nor Shankar. So- does it mean that - Mr. Dixit gets knowledge from some female personality Lakshmi?
In one point it is said that it is in fact Jagadamba who gives (distributes) The Knowledge, but why do they show Lakshmi.
3)Already said. Baba is saying keeping Bhakti people in mind. Actually the kalash is with Jagadamba. But, in Bhakti, at some places it is shown lakshmi distributes nectar (in samudramanthan episode- churning of ocean). In the Conf Age, Om Radhe or Saraswati Mama, who is the instrumental REAL Jagadamba, distributes the wealth of TRUE Knowledge, received from ShivBaba, THROUGH the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, by virtue of which she becomes the FIRST Lakshmi of G A. So the impure form of 'Jagadamba' is not shown, but the PURE form of the VERY SAME soul, as Lakshmi, is shown.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
Lakshmi is also about the Confluence Age. The difference between Brahma and Saraswati and Lakshmi and Narayan is that deities are revealed as couples and Brahma and Saraswati have the relationship of Father and daughter. Lakshmi and Narayan being a couple means they come from different fathers. Krishna (of the Confluence Age) belongs to the Sun dynasty, his Father is the Sun of Knowledge and Radha belongs to the moon dynasty and her Father is the moon of knowledge.
4)It is not clear. You may explain fully with right names.
Also- PBKs give title 'Krishna' of Conf Age to both B Baba and Mr Dixit. Total illogical and just manipulations.
Brahma & Saraswati have SUPERFICIAL relationship of father and daughter in the Conf Age, ONLY INITIALLY, as a matter of explanation to the souls, who are STILL BODY-CONSCIOUS AT THAT SPECIFIC POINT OF TIME - owing to the DIFFERENCE in AGE of their corporeal bodies, as well as owing to Saraswati being Spiritually Re-created by REAL ShivBaba or God THROUGH the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba. But as they progress, they become INCREASINGLY AWARE of their TRUE and CORRECT ETERNAL SPIRITUAL relationship, as SOUL-MATES or 'YUGAL-DANAS' - hence SPIRITUALLY & ETERNALLY, they are ACTUALLY couples.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
These are some more points about becoming Lakshmi and Narayan in the Confluence Age:

Brahma- Saraswati make efforts in the same birth and become Lakshmi-Narayan. Father says Tatt-twam (you can also become Lakshmi-Narayan like Brahma-Saraswati). These are very deep matters. [Mu. 15-4- 69 Pg-4]
5) SAME here means - in the present birth. It means B and S put effort in the same/present birth and become Lakshmi and Narayan (in future birth - it is already implied).
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!

SM 1-3-89(1):- Ab oonch te oonch Baap tumko padhaa rahe hain. Ismey kitab aadi ki koyi zaroorat nahin hai. Yah kitaab aadi kuch bhi nahin chalni hai jo doosre janm may padh saken. YAH PADHAAYI IS JANM KE LIYE HEE HAI. Yah amar katha bhi hai. Nar se Narayan ban_ne ki shiksha bhi Baap dete hain nayi duniya ke liye. -83

= ...This education is for this birth only...
[Is it? Many times Baba says- this education is for future. But- here Baba says - the time of putting effort is for this birth only. This gyaan would become praayalop/vanished. Sometimes baba will mean the FRUIT, then Baba will say this Gyan is for FUTURE- many births].

SM 1-3-89(1):- Yahaan jo kuch tum dekhte ho hospital, jail, judge aadi vahaan kuch bhi nahin honge. VAH DUNIYAA HEE DOOSRI HOGI. DUNIYAA TO YAHI HAI. Parantu nayi aur purani may fark to zaroor hoga na. Unko kaha jata hai swarg. Vahi duniya phir narak banti hai. -83

=.... THAT WORLD ITSELF WOULD BE DIFFERENT. THE WORLD WILL BE THIS ONLY........

[Are there one world or two?
--There is room to argue in any-way if he is interested just in arguments and wish to prove - "my cock has three legs",
or at least argue "Baba has said in Murlis- a cock can have three legs"]
.

mbbhat
BK
Posts: 3245
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Affinity to the BKWSU: BK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I am a Bk and a writer. I have been benefited a lot by the knowledge given in BK institution. I also have materials written totally on logic without BK knowledge. Anyone can get them as attachments for free by email.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by mbbhat » 30 May 2016

Now if we do not become Godly children our degree will be lowered. The degree of this Lakshmi-Narayan is less because there is no knowledge in them. Brahmins have knowledge. What are the people lacking knowledge called? Illiterate. This Lakshmi-Narayan cannot be called illiterate. They have got this post through knowledge.[Mu 5-6-70 Pg-3]
6) The point is very clear. It means- LN are lesser to braahmins, as they do not have knowledge.
--Those who do not have knowledge would be called (in usual way) as illiterate. But- LN cannot be called as illiterate - because they had attained the post through knowledge. So, Baba is FULLY EXPLAINING- WHY AND WHY NOT, WHO AND WHO NOT, CAN BE CALLED AS KNOWLEDGEABLE SOULS.
--That is why Baba says- half a Kalpa is gyaan, - even when there is no gyaan there.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
There is a difference between becoming a world Emperor and an Emperor of Satyug also. [Av 28-1-85 Pg-146]
7) Yet to know the Hindi words. I have heard an Avyakt Murli point saying (not in exact words) - "Nar se Narayan ban_na aur Vish Maharajan ban_naa - ismay fark hai. = To become human to Narayan to world emperor is not same".
-- In G Age- there would be MANY Kings. Only one would be World Emperor.
---BTW- From which year to which year Mr. Dixit would be World Emperor? - in PBK view?
THE VERY SAME SOULS, Brahma & Saraswati (DLR & Om Radhe), who are WORLD Emperor & Empress in the Conf Age, by virtue of their HIGHEST SPIRITUAL STAGE, (among ALL embodied human souls, on this corporeal sphere), become the very FIRST Emperor & Empress in G A. But the STATUS of the VERY SAME SOULS in the Conf Age is regarded as HIGHER, than the STATUS of the VERY SAME SOULS in the G A - since they have Knowledge and awareness of God in Conf Age, but NEITHER of the two in G A. Besides, in the Conf Age, they are ACKNOWLEDGED by ALL embodied human souls of the WHOLE WORLD, at the VERY END of the Conf Age; whereas, in the G A, they would be acknowledged by only a limited number of souls - but nevertheless, by such HIGHEST quality souls, who SPIRITUALLY REPRESENT the souls of the WHOLE WORLD, within the ENTIRE CYCLE. These aspects have been SEVERELY & MALICIOUSLY TWISTED by Ravan or Maya, through the 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan, Virendra Dev Dixit, to be instrumental to carry out the 'shooting' or HiranyaKashyap and Ravan Rajya in the latter part of the Conf Age.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
Highest Father gives highest inheritance. They are Bhagvan-Bhagvati (God-Goddess). Then, at the second number are Lakshmi & Narayan, masters of Satyug. [Mu 8-1-75 Pg-2]
8)There are lots of grammatic errors in Murlis. Not sure- whether they are typing errors- or Baba might have given some pause between the sentences, and say the same point repetitively. PBKs get caught in such errors.

Or the meaning may also be- "They(B and S) are Bhagvan-Bhagvati (God-Goddess). Then, at the second number are Lakshmi & Narayan, masters of Satyug". - as baba sometimes keeps braahmins above deities. [But, I believe it is just gramatic error, or way of speaking of baba. Baba sometimes repeats the same thing. ]*

KINDLY REVIEW THE CLEAR CLARIFICATION ABOVE! The VERY SAME SOULS of Brahma & Saraswati who receive the HIGHEST INHERITANCE, DIRECTLY FROM GOD, in the Confluence Age, (and who may be addressed as 'Bhagwan-Bhagvati' or as God-Goddess in the Conf Age), become Lakshmi & Narayan or Masters of Satyug in the G A. However, the ACTUAL STATUS of the VERY SAME SOULS is regarded as NUMBER ONE, when they are in their FINAL STAGE in the Conf Age, and is regarded as SECOND NUMBER, when they rule practically in G A, for reasons indicated above. REAL ShivBaba or God is NOT AT ALL referring to TWO DIFFERENT sets of souls, but to ONLY ONE SINGULAR SET of SOULS!
These aspects have been SEVERELY & MALICIOUSLY TWISTED by Ravan or Maya, through the 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan, Virendra Dev Dixit, to be instrumental to carry out the 'shooting' or HiranyaKashyap and Ravan Rajya in the latter part of the Conf Age.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!

* - SM 14-8-81(1):- Mukhy jo chitr hain vo apne ghar may bhi rakh sakte ho. Trimurti BHI BADA CLEAR HAI. Oopar may Shiv bhi hai. BVS bhi hai sookshmvatanvasi. PHIR OONCH TE OONCH HAI BHAGAVAAN. Bachche bhi samajhte hain jahaan Baap rahte hain, vo hai hum aatmavon ke rahne ka sthaan. ... -167

= ....Trimurti, is very clear. At top, there is also Shiv. BVS are Subtle Region dwellers. THEN/NEXT the highest of high is Bhagavaan. ...

Is Bhagavaan next to BVS? OR
Is Shiv different than Bhagavaan here? Which then leads to the argument whether there are TWO Shivs?
This is the result of PBKs getting caught by taking isolated Murli points. Few more examples would be given shortly.
They become Lakshmi & Narayan through this RajYoga in this Purushottam Sangamyug only. [Mu 5-12-74 ]
9)True. They get certificate here itself, before going to Paramdham itself. But- it does not imply that they play role of LN in Conf Age.
These aspects have been SEVERELY & MALICIOUSLY TWISTED by Ravan or Maya, through the 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan, Virendra Dev Dixit, to be instrumental to carry out the 'shooting' of HiranyaKashyap and Ravan Rajya in the latter part of the Conf Age.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!

mbbhat
BK
Posts: 3245
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Affinity to the BKWSU: BK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I am a Bk and a writer. I have been benefited a lot by the knowledge given in BK institution. I also have materials written totally on logic without BK knowledge. Anyone can get them as attachments for free by email.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by mbbhat » 31 May 2016

Few examples- that may be erroneous, if taken literally.
Sometimes Baba says approximately and sometimes to inspire children.

1)SM 13-1-81(3):- Manushy humeshaa vikaari ko kahaa jaataa. Devtaa ko nirvikaari kahaa jaataa. Devtaavon ke srushti ko pavitr duniyaa kahaa jaataa. Abhi tum manushy se devtaa ban rahe ho. MANUSHY MAY GYAAN NAHIN HAI, TOH MANUSHY KAHAA JAATAA HAI. JAB MANUSHY MAY GYAAN HAI TOH UNKO DEVTAA KAHAA JAATAA HAI. Gyaan kisko kahaa jaataa hai? Ek toh pahchaan aur phir srushti ke aadi, madhy, anth ke knowledge ko gyaan kahaa jataa hai. -4 [gyaan, LM] –vimp

= The word "Human being" is always used for vicious people. The word deity is used for viceless people. When human beings do not have gyaan, they are known as human beings. When human beings have Gyan, they are known as deities. What is called as gyaan? One is the awareness, and then the knowledge of beginning, middle and ends of the creation.

[Do deities have knowledge of beginning, middle and ends of the creation?]

Here- it also says- when people have vices- they are called as humans. Do not BKs or PBKs have (at least) some vices in Conf Age? Can they be called as deities?

2) SM 1-10-83(2):- nirgun, niraakaar kaa arth bhi nahin jaanthay. SHIV KAA TOH AAKAAR BHI HAI. jiskaa naam hai toh zaroor cheez hai na. -1- [ShivBaba, LM]
SM 29-11-76(3):- SHIV JAYANTI MAANAA HEE SWARG KI JAYANTI. Ravan jayanti maana narak ki jayanti. -43- [Jayanti, LM]

= Shiv Jayanti (divine birth of Shiv) itself means birth of heaven! Birth of Ravan means birth of hell.

Dear Sita soul,
The above examples are more powerful than your points. You can claim MORE EASILY- if you like to take isolated sentences- like- "one who has knowledge of beginning, middle and end is a deity. So, obviously, there are Conf Aged deities.
-- But- PBKs fail here - because they give title deities only to PBKs, neither to BKs, nor to splinter groups- even if they had been PBKs before. Or, they will have to agree " their (Conf Aged) deities die too".

2) If we take mu point No. 2), we will have to say- Shiv jayanti has not happened. Because heaven has not come. [This will fit Mr Dixit's claims - that Shiv jayanti will happen only in 2016.] But- other hundreds of Murli points clearly say- Shiv Jayanti had already happened.
--BUT- IF WE SEE IT FULLY, Baba is comparing himself with Ravan. IN THAT CONTEXT, BABA IS SAYING SO.

If interested, you may reply- Who all are Conf Aged deities "in PBK view?"
--Just Mr Dixit and sister Vedanti only?
--Are all the PBKs are also included?
--Are BKs also included?
--Why and how? What is the PBK theory for a person to be called as deity?
-- PBKs give title Krishna to B Baba from 1936 itself. Is he fit to be called as deity then? If yes, are there two DIFFERENT sets of deities in Conf Age too?

THUS IT IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY CLEAR that these aspects have been SEVERELY & MALICIOUSLY TWISTED by Ravan or Maya, through the 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan, Virendra Dev Dixit, to be instrumental to carry out the 'shooting' of HiranyaKashyap and Ravan Rajya in the latter part of the Conf Age.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!

sita
Posts: 1300
Joined: 18 May 2011
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I would like to take part in healthy discussion on topics of knowledge, sharing with fellow souls, for common benefit.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by sita » 31 May 2016

1) Giving birth means purification/transformation. It happens through knowledge.
Then all should be called Bhagvan - Bhagvati. Why only Lakshmi and Narayan. All are purified. Purification also happens through the color of the company. If god is there he transforms the world through his vision.

Purity or impurity is there in the mind, words and actions between people, when they follow in their practical life the Shrimat of ShivBaba to stabalize in the form of the soul, there is no vice among them, but souls are number-wise, so in the purest couple of Vishnu the soul of Shiv-Shankar is there who wins over lust completely.

It is said that Brahma emerges from the navel of Vishnu and Vishnu emerges from the navel of Brahma. Lakshmi and Narayan who are the form of Vishnu receive a spiritual birth in the Confluence Age, through the souls of Brahma and Saraswati, who on their turn receive their spiritual birth from the souls of Lakshmi and Narayan in the beginning of the Yagya.
IMPURE & INVERTED INTELLECTS of the PBKs!
We are discussing the Godly knowledge. Although Baba uses some harsh words sometimes, he is the intellect of the intellectuals, he can call an idiot even the most intelligent soul, because compared to him he will be an idiot. But for us, Baba has never said to use harsh words. We are all impure, no one has become pure yet. I think you have forgotten this beneficial advice of his and have started following an opposite path due to some false intoxication of being righteous child. Baba does not use such language so we have no ground to use it. I hope you reconsider your ways and it does not become a bad example for others.
It is said for physical wealth.
No, Baba has said that it is about the wealth of knowledge, the quote was there.
- In G Age- there would be MANY Kings.
No. Baba has said that there they will feel like masters, but there will be one king.
Here- it also says- when people have vices- they are called as humans. Do not BKs or PBKs have (at least) some vices in Conf Age? Can they be called as deities?
If they have vices they cannot be called deities.

sita
Posts: 1300
Joined: 18 May 2011
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I would like to take part in healthy discussion on topics of knowledge, sharing with fellow souls, for common benefit.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by sita » 31 May 2016

Regarding the matter of who will become deities, deities have the speciality of unity, because they have purity. For us to create the world of one land, one religion, one language, one race, one king, one, one, one, for us inside it should become one religion, one land, one language etc. we should be concentrated on one. When in the family there is one direction that everyone follows, there is unity, there is purity in the directions, there is no quarrel, it is not that everyone is giving their own direction, everyone follows the directions of one. For this one has to sacrifice one's own mind, one's ego etc. The example is that stars at daylight merge their thoughts in the mind of one, they become manmanabhav, knowledge is day, knowledge comes from one. In the darkness of the night of ignorance many stars like to shine with their own light, that they like to be something too. Baba has said that we should not get impressed by anyone. Those souls will become deities who will conquer attachment and become ignorant of even the knowledge of what desire is.

mbbhat
BK
Posts: 3245
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Affinity to the BKWSU: BK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I am a Bk and a writer. I have been benefited a lot by the knowledge given in BK institution. I also have materials written totally on logic without BK knowledge. Anyone can get them as attachments for free by email.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by mbbhat » 01 Jun 2016

sita wrote:Then all should be called Bhagvan - Bhagvati. Why only Lakshmi and Narayan. All are purified.
All do not get purified to the same level or to the SAME EXTENT. They do not attain karmaateet stage fully. They DO NOT adopt Goldy knowledge fully. Except the 8, the others get punishment as well, to become pure. I believe all the top 8 can be called as Bhagavaan-Bhagavathi.
Purification also happens through the color of the company.
To some extent only. And- also it would just have a temporary effect only. Like Baba says- shamshaan kaa vairaagya. Unless one makes self-effort it cannot become a firm sanskaar. Then punishment is the only way to bring the required final stage, number-wise. Baba has never said- one can become pure by company of human beings, or ONLY by receiving 'dhristi' from God through a corporeal Chariot. Baba has said- except ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Yaad or Remembrance, there is NO OTHER WAY for COMPLETE purification (besides undergoing severe punishment through external measures, through which the status of the soul reduces accordingly).
If god is there he transforms the world through his vision.
I did not get what you meant. You mean to say that God transforms the souls, matter and the World, through the physical vision or physical 'dhristi' through a corporeal body only? Then what is the purpose of REMEMBERING NONE BUT ONE, where ever one may be???
1)Purity or impurity is there in the mind, words and actions between people, when they follow in their practical life the Shrimat of ShivBaba to stabalize in the form of the soul, 2)there is no vice among them, but souls are number-wise, 3)so in the purest couple of Vishnu the soul of Shiv-Shankar is there who wins over lust completely
.
1) and 2):- I do not think so. Anyone who is not at top 8 will have some vice/defect in Conf Age. But, after receiving the punishment, the defect gets eliminated. In Conf Age, any defect would be called as vice or at least DAAG (Hindi word) only. Baba has clearly said- behan-bhaayi kaa daag bhee nikaalnaa hai. = The feeling of brother and sister also would have to be eliminated. BUT PBK THEORY SAYS- TILL THE END- Mr Dixit and the 2.25 lakh would have feeling of physical brothers, and their counter-part 2.25 lakh souls will have feeling of physical sisters, and that will be carried even to heaven.
3) PBKs believe purity of sister Vedanti is 'cowardice'. And- even Mr. Dixit depends on the physical (or mental- whatever it is) company of her to become complete. So, I do not think it fits into any logic or Murli point.
--BTW- When is Mr Dixit fit to be called as Shankar? Only after he conquers vice? Or are there stages like- incomplete Shankar, complete Shankar [For example- we have incomplete/effortmaker Brahma and complete Brahma.] Would you like to say- again incomplete LN of AIVV (from 1976 till 2016/18), and then complete LN?
1)It is said that Brahma emerges from the navel of Vishnu and 2)Vishnu emerges from the navel of Brahma.
3) Lakshmi and Narayan who are the form of Vishnu receive a spiritual birth in the Confluence Age, through the souls of Brahma and Saraswati, who on their turn receive their spiritual birth from the souls of Lakshmi and Narayan in the beginning of the Yagya.
Good kanras.
1)is true as per scriptures, but not 2).
But of course, in Murlis Baba has said even the 2). I believe the meaning is- "BS become LN in one second/birth, and LN become BS in 5000 yrs."
3)Not clear what you say. You just write something without explaining fully, and the same question has to be put to you many times. It is OK for me, but just expressed.
If you are saying (just guessing)- In the beginning- Mr Sevakram and Radha bachchi gave knowledge to B Baba and Om Radhe? [It becomes wrong- because there was no Om Radhe during the incident of the so called giving clarification episode of PBKs. ]
Also- when Mr Dixit came to gyaan in 1969, both B baba and Mama/OmRadhe had not been in Yagya. It was his own lakshmi (Vedanti) gave him gyaan. So, in PBK view- their Narayan gets wealth from Lakshmi.
No, Baba has said that it is about the wealth of knowledge, the quote was there.
No. Even you have put the words in brackets. Show the Murli point which clearly says- Lakshmi gets gyaan-dhan from Narayan.
Even if it is said so, explanation of BKs fit far better than PBKs*. As, PBKs believe- Mr Dixit is fit for title Narayan only in 1976, and he got knowledge from Sister Vedanti during 1969.
Or- if PBKs believe Lakshmi/Vedanti gets knowledge from Narayan/Dixit, when ?- in 2016? So- without having wealth of knowledge, is she fit for the title Lakshmi from 1976 itself?

* - Already explained in the last post. It is from Brahma/Narayan Saraswathi/Lakshmi receives knowledge.
No. Baba has said that there they will feel like masters, but there will be one king.
Murli point clearly says- there will be more number of Kings in G Age itself.
Post No. 43- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... yein#p4110
These all are the result of just taking isolated Murli points.
If they have vices they cannot be called deities.
Th question was - Is Mr Dixit free from vices from 1976? If yes, then can a 'ghost' enter in him? If not, can he be called as deity? Then from what point of time in the Conf Age can he be called a 'deity'?
Regarding the matter of who will become deities, deities have the speciality of unity, because they have purity. ....
All know this. Where is unity between Mr Dixit and Kamala Devi or sister Vedanti? Many PBKs have left their bodies to whom the so called deity/Dixit gave birth. Baba says- deities are immortal. But, in PBK view, at least some type(Conf Aged) of deities can be mortal. Many have created/joined splinter groups.

Baba clearly says- till one becomes complete, he is not fit for title deity.- Post No. 109 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... orn#p12398

Even after complete, he would be eligible for title just farista. It implies- for the title deity, one should have pure soul in pure body.

sita
Posts: 1300
Joined: 18 May 2011
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I would like to take part in healthy discussion on topics of knowledge, sharing with fellow souls, for common benefit.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by sita » 01 Jun 2016

I believe all the top 8 can be called as Bhagavaan-Bhagavathi.
You can believe whatever you wish, Baba has said for one.
I did not get what you meant. You mean to say that God transforms the souls, matter and the World, through the physical vision or physical 'dhristi' through a corporeal body only? Then what is the purpose of REMEMBERING NONE BUT ONE, where ever one may be???
I mean that to become pure one has to come in the practical company of God. Whatever we keep in our mind as company, our body goes there, our wealth etc. goes there. God's practical company is there for everyone to take, souls take it number-wise. Our effort to remember only one is required because only one is ever pure and purifier of the sinful. If we remember anyone else we will become impure. Through the drishti of God we become pure, through the drishti of humans we become impure. No matter where we may be, we get colored by the company of the one we keep in our mind, but we keep in our mind whatever we experience through our body. Baba says that I remember serviceable children. We need to remember because when we become manmanabhav, we become madyajibhav, we become serviceable. People remember God and God remembers serviceable children. Those whom God remembers certainly will become pure. So we need to remember to draw remembrance. Remembrance begets remembrance. The drishti of God does not fall on all souls equally. It falls equally, but the receptive power of the souls is number-wise. Through our stage our receptive power improves. Remembrance of God will be there only if we consider ourselves as souls. If we remember in body-conscious way our body-consciousness will grow. If we don't follow the Shrimat, that Shrimat is to consider ourselves as souls, our intellect becomes locked by the Godrays lock, our intellect becomes stone like, nothing penetrates.
1) and 2):- I do not think so. Anyone who is not at top 8 will have some vice/defect in Conf Age. But, after receiving the punishment, the defect gets eliminated. In Conf Age, any defect would be called as vice or at least DAAG (Hindi word) only. Baba has clearly said- behan-bhaayi kaa daag bhee nikaalnaa hai. = The feeling of Brother and Sister also would have to be eliminated. BUT PBK THEORY SAYS- TILL THE END- Mr Dixit and the 2.25 lakh would have feeling of physical Brothers, and their counter-part 2.25 lakh souls will have feeling of physical Sisters, and that will be carried even to heaven.
3) PBKs believe purity of Sister Vedanti is 'cowardice'. And- even Mr. Dixit depends on the physical (or mental- whatever it is) company of her to become complete. So, I do not think it fits into any logic or Murli point.
--BTW- When is Mr Dixit fit to be called as Shankar? Only after he conquers vice? Or are there stages like- incomplete Shankar, complete Shankar [For example- we have incomplete/effortmaker Brahma and complete Brahma.] Would you like to say- again incomplete LN of AIVV (from 1976 till 2016/18), and then complete LN?
Souls become complete at the end. At that time the stage of the souls is like brothers. In the relationship of brother-sister vice comes.
Murli point clearly says- there will be more number of Kings in G Age itself.
Post No. 43- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... yein#p4110
These all are the result of just taking isolated Murli points.
In the Murli quotes you have provided it is said clearly - There will be no other kings. The other quotes speak about kings one after the other.

sita
Posts: 1300
Joined: 18 May 2011
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I would like to take part in healthy discussion on topics of knowledge, sharing with fellow souls, for common benefit.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by sita » 02 Jun 2016

Good kanras.
1)is true as per scriptures, but not 2).
But of course, in Murlis Baba has said even the 2). I believe the meaning is- "BS become LN in one second/birth, and LN become BS in 5000 yrs."
3)Not clear what you say. You just write something without explaining fully, and the same question has to be put to you many times. It is OK for me, but just expressed.
If you are saying (just guessing)- In the beginning- Mr Sevakram and Radha bachchi gave knowledge to B Baba and Om Radhe? [It becomes wrong- because there was no Om Radhe during the incident of the so called giving clarification episode of PBKs. ]
Also- when Mr Dixit came to gyaan in 1969, both B Baba and Mama/OmRadhe had not been in Yagya. It was his own lakshmi (Vedanti) gave him gyaan. So, in PBK view- their Narayan gets wealth from Lakshmi.
The navel has length. It takes time from the beginning of the Yagya till the name of Brahma is revealed in 47. And it takes time from Brahma till when the souls of Lakshmi and Narayan enter the knowledge and consider Brahma to be their spiritual Father.

mbbhat
BK
Posts: 3245
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Affinity to the BKWSU: BK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I am a Bk and a writer. I have been benefited a lot by the knowledge given in BK institution. I also have materials written totally on logic without BK knowledge. Anyone can get them as attachments for free by email.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by mbbhat » 02 Jun 2016

sita wrote:You can believe whatever you wish, Baba has said for one.
The others in the top 8 can also be called as master Bhagavaan-Bhagavathis. There is no difficulty in this. Baba has also said you children are master Brahma, sometimes Master Jagadamba, etc.
You may now argue- why not all 9 lakh cannot be called as master Bhagavan? The reason is clear. The effort of others is not so close to the top 2 souls.
I mean that to become pure one has to come in the practical company of God.
Through the drishti of God we become pure, through the drishti of humans we become impure.
Baba has kept remembrance higher than drushti,as well as physical company.
Baba says that I remember serviceable children. ....Those whom God remembers certainly will become pure.
Of course, teacher will remember good students. But, just by that the student will not pass. The marks depend on his study, not on drushti of the teacher. Of course, Baba has said- himmathey bachche madadey baap = So, it all depends to what extent one keeps 'himmath' in himself. Just by physical drushti, or company, one will not become great. Of course, it may give some 'touchings' or motivations.
Remembrance of God will be there only if we consider ourselves as souls. If we remember in body-conscious way our body-consciousness will grow. If we don't follow the Shrimat, that Shrimat is to consider ourselves as souls, our intellect becomes locked by the Godrays lock, our intellect becomes stone like, nothing penetrates.
True. What is the use of these lectures? Do they support AIVV more than BKWSU?
Souls become complete at the end. At that time the stage of the souls is like Brothers. In the relationship of brother-sister vice comes.
No reply to the questions asked there.
Even then - PBKs believe the 2.25 lakh and the counter-partS would be physically male and females. So- logically speaking, there is NO BROTHER- BROTHER concept in AIVV.
In the Murli quotes you have provided it is said clearly - There will be no other kings. The other quotes speak about kings one after the other.
Your conclusion has no any value as Murli point has not said so. [But, there is some room to argue.]
Baba has said there- there would be many Kings, but one religion. and everyone will get his share of property, everyone would be king of his house.

So- I believe there would be rajas, Maharajas, etc, etc- of different levels of Rulers, at same time.

SM 14-9-77(1):- Tum jaante ho abhi kitney manushy hain, kitney khand hain. Kal sirf ek Bharat hee hoga. Daivi rajy hoga. Sone ki dwarikaa hogi. Goya Bharat may Krishnpuri hogi. Lanka nahin kahenge. Saari lankaa soney ki nahin ban padti hai. Bharat sone ka ban jata hai. Lanka arthaath Ravan rajy khatm ho jata hai. Bharat dwaarikaa ban jati hai jisko srikrishnpuri kahte hain. Dwarika hoti hai Bharat may. Dwarika may Krishn ka nivaas hai. Bharat sone ka ho jata hai. Dwarika bhi ek Rajdhani ho jati hai. Jamuna nadi par Delhi paristhaan thaa. Sri LN jahaan rahte thay. Vahaan dwarika may phir doosri Rajdhaani hoti hai. Dwarika may jab rajy hota to (vahaan) LN nahin hote. Vahaan phir doosrey ka raajy hota hai. Capital Jamuna ke kinara hai. Vahaan phir doosrey rajaayein nahin rahtey. Abhi tum bachche jaante ho yah humaari purani duniyaa Bharat sahit jo bhi hai, sab swaahaa ho jaate hain is Gyan yagy may. -20 [Satyug, sp, wot]

So I believe there are at least two king/kingdoms in G Age at the same time.
The navel has length. It takes time from the beginning of the Yagya till the name of Brahma is revealed in 47. And it takes time from Brahma till when the souls of Lakshmi and Narayan enter The Knowledge and consider Brahma to be their spiritual Father.
Still no proper explanation.
Name Brahma was revealed in 1936 itself. The documents recovered from British Library proves it. In the pictures- name Divine Father God Prajapati Brahma was clearly put on photo of B Baba.
BTW- Mr Dixit has said Krishna Jayanti had occurred in 1936 itself. Was it Brahma Jayanti too or just Krishn Jayanti? Or do PBKs believe Krishn jayanti first took place, then Brahma jayanti took place? [In PBK view?] - Because PBKs believe DLR became Brahma only in 1947.
But- still it is illogical. Because in their own view- Mr Sevakram or Kamala Devi had got title Brahma in 1936 itself.
So- which Brahma is significant here in 1947? Also- in 1947, there was no Sevakram. So, just contradictions and lies.

sita
Posts: 1300
Joined: 18 May 2011
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I would like to take part in healthy discussion on topics of knowledge, sharing with fellow souls, for common benefit.

Re: Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

Post by sita » 02 Jun 2016

PBKs believe the 2.25 lakh and the counter- part would be physically male and females. So- logically speaking, there is NO BROTHER- Brother concept in AIVV.
Brother-brother means looking the soul and not the body.
So I believe there are at least two king/kingdoms in G Age at the same time.
It is about the Confluence Age.
BTW- Mr Dixit has said Krishna Jayanti had occurred in 1936 itself.
No, no, no. Inform yourself about what the knowledge says.
Name Brahma was revealed in 1936 itself. The documents recovered from British Library proves it. In the pictures- name Divine Father God Prajapati Brahma was clearly put on photo of B Baba.
The picture does not have a date, but judging the age from the face - it is not from 1936. From the documents it becomes evident that in the beginning they were practicing Aham Brahm asmi, but everyone was Aham Brahm asmi.
So- which Brahma is significant here in 1947?
In 47 the name Brahma Kumari Ishwariya Vishva vidyalaya was put, the name of Brahma got introduced and his part became clear. The part of Brahmas from the beginning, no one knew about them then. Vishnu means that there was harmony and not quarrel between the two parts of Vishnu and that is visible.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests