sita wrote:In the quote it is said that just like before there was support, this way now....there is a big difference between the support through Brahma Baba and through Gulzar Dadi.
If you want to equate 100%, then it is left to you. BTW, is there no big difference between the support through B Baba and Mr Dixit? Mr Dixit reads and then explains. Mr Dixit keeps on moving from lane to lane (gali2),
but ShivBaba had clearly said- the Chariot will not move from lane to lane (gali2) to speak the Murli
. And, PBKs believe that there are THREE souls in body of Dixit, and one is sometimes disturbing(but in Lekhraj Kirpalani, it was only TWO
. And Mr Dixit sometimes DOZES while giving drushti. More can be added.
The Knowledge that is being narrated is also very different to the Sakar Murli. It is not in the same way as before.
Already Baba had said - Post No. 117 a, b, c- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... &start=160
Brahma Baba was also holding the title Prajapita. ... This is visible now. These are two souls. One is Prajapita Brahma and one is Avyakt Brahma.
Sorry, Baba has never said two souls. In fact, Baba has said both are same. It is PBK (mis)interpretations.- See Post dated 10th March 2009 in - viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2009&p=28874&hilit=Jagatpita#p28874
The soul of Prajapita will also become complete, so his future perfect form can also be seen even now in the Subtle Region, as smiling to Brahma Baba, feeding him, talking with him.
Mr Dixit is fooling PBKs like this. You may believe so.
It is also said that Prajapita is grand grand grandfather. Not just Father, Father of the Father. And that there must be grandmother along with him.
I have some doubt here. But put my churning here- post no. 177 to 179- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... her#p14927
BTW, who is grandmother as per PBKs and how?
In the Murli it is said who was creator of Brahma?
Obviously ShivBaba. But, PBKs can never think of or understand power of incorporeal ShivBaba. That is why they keep on questioning so.
There are points that show the difference between Prajapita and Brahma. It is said that Brahma cannot be said to be creator, and in another point it is said that Prajapita can be said to be creator. Prajapita is said creator, because he creates through Brahma , Brahma is creation.
Just mis interpretations by taking isolated Murli points. - post no 23- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... ator#p4075
The question remains how Brahmins are created through Avyakt Brahma?
By now, there are lots of hands of ShivBaba and B baba. Do you think brahmins are created by physical body or through knowledge? When the knowledge has already come out, then there is no dependency of corporeal body.
Why Baba says- Christians are mouth-born progeny of Christ (even when Christ is not present in corporeal now)? [Because he had already done his job]. Or do you say Christians are not mouth-born? Put here- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... pes#p12945
Moreover, Baba has spoken two types of creation - my mouth (mukh) and by thoughts, and has said that those who have got birth through thoughts could be more powerful. Baba has also said 'aadi ratnas' are MVs and has said their numbers are VERY FEW
. http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... ers#p12911
- Post No. 147, mu point No. 5) - So, where is the chance that Baba coming in Dixit?
Where has B baba changed Chariot?
It is a hint about 76. Brahma Baba is changing chariots anyway. In 76 when the Advance Party will get established he will start giving his power there more.
So, far B baba has taken only one corporeal body- Gulzar Dadi*. Of course, ShivBaba has taken two- Lekhraj Kirpalani and G Dadi (but again, this is only superficial - visible to the two physical eyes only, whereas ShivBaba is STILL in the 'mukrar-rath' of Brahma Baba, while speaking through DG). But, as per PBKs, ShivBaba has taken three- Sevakram, Lekhraj Kirpalani and Dixit.[PBKs may even say- ShivBaba had entered in one or two other mothers in a REGULAR
way for FIVE years from 1942 to 1947] So who has made ShivBaba wandering (changing chariots more) or appear silly?
So, is Mr Dixit dependent on power of B Baba?
But, then PBKs believe -moon(B baba) casts shadow on earth. Is this giving power? - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=50604&hilit=moon#p50604
Also- Do you believe ShivBaba and B Baba had not entered in Mr. Dixit in 1969, but entered only in 1976? And, how this was known? Who all witnessed it?
Also, in both the Murlis 1970 and 1975, Baba has said about the corporeal support. I believe the two years(1969 and 1976) were crucial for BKs, as in 1969 B Baba had left, and there had been prediction about 1976.
So, for some children, there could have been confusion, or fear in 1970 immediately after B baba left and in 1975 about the 1976. So, Baba might had said so in the years adjacent.
*- Of course, like Bahuroopi ShivBaba who says- he can enter in anyone to do service, after 1969, even B Baba may do that.
APPROPRIATE CLARIFICATIONS ARE BEING PROVIDED (IN BRACKETS) for your recent earlier post asf -
== In the quote it is said that just like before there was support (soul of DLR, in his OWN corporeal or 'vyakt' body
), this way now again there is support (the VERY SAME soul of DLR, in his OWN subtle body, through the 'vyakt' body of DG
) ... there is a big difference (Of course, there has to be a BIG DIFFERENCE, because one is ONLY a ‘sakari’ Meeting in own ‘Sakar’ body, when the designated Children are also in a ‘sakari’ consciousness; WHILE the other is a ‘sakari-cum-akari’ Meeting in own ‘akar’ body THROUGH the ‘Sakar’ body of DG, when the designated Children have developed an ‘akari’ consciousness, NUMBER-WISE
) between the support through Brahma Baba and through Gulzar Dadi (support ONLY through the ‘Sakar’ body of BB was gross or LIMITED, due to LIMITED consciousness of the designated Children; WHILE the support of BOTH BapDada through the ‘akar’ body of BB & ‘Sakar’ body of DG is SUBTLE & UNLIMITED, due to the developed UNLIMITED & SUBTLE consciousness of the designated Children, NUMBER-WISE
). She loses consciousness (her consciousness USED to get MERGED, during the ‘Avyakt’ Meeting, BUT, as witnessed in the latest ‘Milan’ of 31.12.2015, her consciousness DOES NOT get MERGED ANYMORE, clearly indicating that she too is VERY CLOSE or has reached her won ‘karmateet’ stage
), program is fixed (it has to be fixed in ADVANCE to facilitate the Meeting with so many children from India and abroad
), we come to know when the soul comes and goes (we USED to come to know WHEN the SOUL of DG becomes MERGED, by a jerk to the body of DG, which was MISUNDERSTOOD by many to be the time when BapDada actually enter, which CANNOT be known EXACTLY, to the nearest second; BUT, in the latest Milan of 31.12.2015, since there was no jerk to the body of DG, there is NO QUESTION of coming to know anything, in the manner understood or MISUNDERSTOOD before
), and meeting is for a short time (Meeting with BB when he was in ‘Sakar’ body was also for a certain short duration – NO ONE SOUL CAN BE IN A MEETING WITH ANOTHER SOUL ALL THE TIME THROUGH A PHYSICAL BODY – WHILE this is POSSIBLE THROUGH A SUBTLE BODY
), The Knowledge that is being narrated is also very different to the Sakar Murli (the CREAM or the ESSENCE of the Knowledge related through SMs is being related through AVs
). It is not in the same way as before (ALREADY EXPLAINED ADEQUATELY ABOVE
Brahma Baba was also holding the title Prajapita (BB was not merely holding the title of Prajapita, but he WAS, he IS and he will ALWAYS BE ‘PRAJAPITA’ for the designated Children
). When Brahma Baba becomes Avyakt, at that time there are two Brahmas in reality (this is the ‘REALITY’ of Ravan or Maya for the UNRIGHTEOUS children, and NOT the REALITY of REAL ShivBaba for the RIGHTEOUS Children
). One is corporeal Prajapita and one is Avyakt Brahma (BOTH are ONE and the SAME SOUL of BB, DLR
). At the time of Brahma Baba, the Avyakt Brahma was only a vision, like our future deity form is also visible there waiting for us in the Subtle Region to put a garland of victory on our neck. It is not a matter of different souls in this case, like when Brahma Baba was seeing visons of destruction, it was not a matter about two different worlds. But it is said that there are two Brahmas (there are TWO DIFFERENT ASPECTS of the SAME ONE BRAHMA or PRAJAPITA BRAHMA
). One is here and one is there (the ‘Sakar’ ASPECT was in the corporeal world, while the COMPLETE, SYMBOLIC, REPRESENTATIVE ASPECT was ‘seen’ in the Subtle Regions, that too, ONLY by a very few, SELECTED souls – NOT EVERYONE
). This is visible now (this was ‘visible’ to SELECTED souls ONLY, PRIOR 1969
). These are two souls (a clever PLOY of Ravan or Maya to INTRODUCE DUALITY within UNITY, which is EXACTLY the designated function of Ravan in the Confluence Age, as per Drama Plan
). One is Prajapita Brahma and one is Avyakt Brahma (BOTH are ONE and the SAME soul
The soul of Prajapita (Brahma Baba
) will also become complete (has ALREADY BECOME COMPLETE in 1969
), so his future perfect form can also be seen (is being seen by SELECTED, DESIGNATED Children, who have developed their ‘akari’ consciousness, NUMBER-WISE
) even now in the Subtle Region (HAVE YOU PERSONALLY WITNESSED THE Subtle Region IN YOUR SUBTLE CONSCIOUSNESS AND MET BRAHMA BABA AT ALL!!!
), as smiling to Brahma Baba (BB is seen SMILING & LOVING to all the designated Children, including the child of Virendra Dev Dixit
), feeding him, talking with him (BB is seen 'feeding' and 'talking' to Virendra Dev Dixit, who is STILL caught in the ARROGANCE of BODY-CONSCIOUSNESS to date, ALONG with ALL his BLIND FOLLOWERS, due to which he CONTINUES to MISINTERPRET ALL such 'touchings' or 'feeding and talking'
- including the 'feeding and talking' on the corporeal level, through reading and MISUNDERSTANDING & MISAPPROPRIATING of the SMs and AVs
It is also said that Prajapita is great great grandfather (soul of Prajapita, Adi Dev, Adam, Brahma Baba, the FIRST prince of G A, the FIRST emperor of G A, THE FIRST MAN, is GREAT-GREAT GRAND-Father to all succeeding generations of G A and S A
). Not just Father, Father of the Father (BB or Prajapita Brahma, DLR is the genealogical Father of all –fathers thereafter
). And that there must be grandmother along with him (BB has to have his soul-mate or ‘yugal-dana’ along with him, who is the genealogical GRAND-MOTHER
). It is said that Prajapita is the one who creates first of all, in the beginning (ShivBaba FIRST OF ALL creates BRAHMA through OWN MOUTH of BRAHMA, who is ALSO called as PRAJAPITA, since he HIMSELF is instrumental to create all DIRECT ‘mouth-born’ Children through OWN ‘Sakar’ body, and INDIRECT ‘thought-born’ Children through OWN ‘akar’ body through ‘Sakar’ body of DG, WHICH AGAIN becomes DIRECT ‘mouth-born’ Children for THOSE who develop their ‘akari’ consciousness and EXPERIENCE ‘akari’ SUSTENANCE from ShivBaba TO DATE - AS WELL as he is instrumental to give spiritual inheritance to them
). When creation takes place, first mother is created, then children (ShivBaba creates BRAHMA BABA, who is instrumental mother to create the designated Children, but since he is ALSO the Father of the created designated Children, his mother role was delegated to Om Radhe, Mama
). We understand Brahma Baba as our mother and Father (THIS IS VERY TRUE, but ONLY for the DESIGNATED CHILDREN who TRULY RE-COGNIZE HIS MULTIPLE ROLES - BUT MORE THAN THAT, WHO PRACTICALLY EXPERIENCE THE SPIRITUAL SUSTENANCE OF ShivBaba THROUGH BRAHMA BABA TO DATE
) so his mother and Father are our grandmother and grandfather (corporeal mother and Father of Shri Krishna are NOT FAMOUS, because they only played that role as MAID & SERVANT, and they were NO WHERE as CLEVER in SPIRITUAL STUDY or KNOWLEDGE as Brahma Baba
). In the Murli it is said who was creator of Brahma? (Creator of Brahma is VERY OBVIOUSLY GOD or ShivBaba, Supreme Father Supreme Soul. When we refer to ‘CREATOR’ of Brahma, the designated Children understand that this refers to the SPIRITUAL CREATOR ShivBaba; WHILE the Mayavi UNRIGHTEOUS children are TRICKED into SHIFTING their attention from the TRUE SPIRITUAL CREATOR ShivBaba, to the physical creator or one who is instrumental to give birth to the physical body, who DOES NOT have that much significance as the soul of Brahma Baba or the FIRST prince of the G A, Shri Krishna – as highlighted in various SMs by ShivBaba. In this manner Ravan CONFIRMS the HIRANYAKASHYAPHOOD of Ravan’s ‘mukrar-rath’ who is instrumental to propagate such CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED and DISTORTED MIS-INTERPRETATIONS.
There are points that show the difference between Prajapita and Brahma (the ROLE of BB as ‘Prajapita’ is DIFFERENT, and the ROLE of BB as ‘Brahma’, ‘badi-Ma’ or Mother is DIFFERENT, hence the DIFFERENCE in the points of Knowledge
). It is said that Brahma cannot be said to be creator (‘Brahma’ AS the FIRST CHILD of God or ShivBaba cannot be said to be the creator, since he is CLEARLY the CREATION - BUT the CREATION of GOD or ShivBaba, and NOT the ‘CREATION’ of any bodily being, either gross or subtle
), and in another point it is said that Prajapita can be said to be creator (BB or DLR, who is ALSO the Mother, is ALSO the Father or Prajapita, since he is the instrument of ShivBaba to spiritually ‘CREATE’ spiritual Children through his OWN mouth - the REAL CREATOR STILL being ShivBaba or GOD
). Prajapita is said creator, because he creates through Brahma, Brahma is creation (Brahma is CREATION of GOD or ShivBaba; the VERY SAME BRAHMA is ALSO PRAJAPITA, who is the instrument of ShivBaba to create the Children through his OWN mouth and give inheritance to the RIGHTEOUS Children & NOT to the UNRIGHTEOUS children. THEREFORE THE SAME SOUL OF BB IS BOTH MOTHER AS WELL AS Father, FOR THE RIGHTEOUS CHILDREN
For Prajapita it is said that through him inheritance is given (ShivBaba gives inheritance to designated Children through BB or Prajapita Brahma
). Through Brahma, Brahmins are created (through the SAME SOUL, Brahmins are created in the role as Brahma or Mother; and the spiritual inheritance is given to the designated Children in the role as Prajapita Brahma or Father
). By adding the word ‘Prajapita’ the Father is proved (the role of the ‘Father’ of the VERY SAME soul of Brahma or Mother is PROVED, BEYOND THE SLIGHTEST DOUBT WHATSOEVER, BUT ONLY TO THE SELECTED, DESIGNATED CHILDREN, WHO PRACTICALLY EXPERIENCE THE SPIRITUAL SUSTENANCE FROM ShivBaba THROUGH HIM TO DATE
). Brahma is name of many, even of females. By saying just Brahma it is understood the Subtle Region dweller and by Prajapita it is understood the corporeal one (this point applied prior 1969. Brahma and Prajapita Brahma are ONE and the SAME SOUL, that of the FIRST prince of G A or FIRST emperor of G A, the soul of DLR
The question remains how Brahmins are created through Avyakt Brahma? (ShivBaba creates BRAHMA through OWN MOUTH of BRAHMA, who is called as PRAJAPITA, since he HIMSELF is instrumental to create all DIRECT ‘mouth-born’ Children through OWN ‘Sakar’ body, and INDIRECT ‘thought-born’ Children through OWN ‘akar’ body through ‘Sakar’ body of DG, WHICH AGAIN becomes DIRECT ‘mouth-born’ Children for THOSE who develop their ‘akari’ consciousness and EXPERIENCE ‘akari’ SUSTENANCE from ShivBaba TO DATE - AS WELL as he is instrumental to give spiritual inheritance to them
). The family (the SELECTED, DESIGNATED SOULS
) of Prajapita Brahma is along with Prajapita Brahma (WHEN THE CONCERNED CHILDREN ARE IN THE VERY SAME STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS AS PRAJAPITA BRAHMA
), not that we are here, he is there (since the UNRIGHTEOUS children are ‘here’ or in a stage of body-consciousness, while Prajapita Brahma or Brahma Baba is ‘there’ or in a stage of subtle angelic consciousness, the UNRIGHTEOUS children CANNOT be considered to be part of the family of REAL Prajapita Brahma, UNTIL they also attain the SIMILAR state of consciousness
). Father is there and children are there along with him (Both Prajapita Brahma or Brahma Baba as well as the SELECTED, DESIGNATED Children who are his family are in the SAME STATE OF ELEVATED CONSCIOUSNESS, although STILL BEING NUMBER-WISE
In 70 the support was not visible (the SUPPORT of Brahma Baba was NOT ‘VISIBLE’ to the UNRIGHTEOUS children owing to the ARROGANCE of their body-consciousness
), but was there, (AND IS STILL THERE
) so there was the need for a hint about it (hence the question of any hint DOES NOT ARISE
– NO HINT IS REQUIRED FOR CHILDREN WHO HAVE A FIRST-HAND SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE ALL ALONG