Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

DEDICATED to PBKs.
For PBKs who are affiliated to AIVV, and supporting 'Advanced Knowledge'.
User avatar
arjun
PBK
Posts: 11513
Joined: 01 May 2006
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: to exchange views with past and present members of BKWSU and its splinter groups
Location: India

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by arjun » 25 Feb 2018

Logically, if any member, of one particular group, feels that he has the right to accuse another member, of any other group, to be ‘spewing venom and hatred’, by their own interpretations; then, that particular member of that particular group, who harbours such feelings, should also appreciate that the other member of the other group, who is accused of ‘spewing venom and hatred’, by their own interpretations, would also have equal right to accuse the former, of also ‘spewing venom and hatred’ by their own interpretations of same!

It is the non-cognizance of this subtle aspect of human behaviour, which inadvertently causes individuals of different groups to harbour and sustain such ill feelings against each other, and compels them to remain alienated from the other, until such veils are consciously eliminated with adequate spiritual enlightenment!
Adam,
You were very prompt in quoting the three words used by me to describe the posts of 'destroy old world', but you have conveniently ignored the thousands of such words used by that member or others on this forum because almost every word used by that member is unparliamentary. This only shows the kind of bias that is practiced against the PBKs even on an independent forum like this.

User avatar
arjun
PBK
Posts: 11513
Joined: 01 May 2006
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: to exchange views with past and present members of BKWSU and its splinter groups
Location: India

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by arjun » 25 Feb 2018

The PBKs have been lawfully requested to suspend the posting of the exclusive sermons of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit, in any topic, ONLY until his name has been finally cleared by the concerned authorities, since there are several rape accusations against him in the Delhi High Court, from his own female followers, and he is guilty of ‘contempt of court’ for not appearing before the High Court, even when summoned by the honourable judges on several occasions, and continues to defy the Court by absconding unlawfully; and furthermore, since the High Court has also barred him from using the word ‘university’ for his clandestine, unregistered institution for the propagation of his doctrine. They are, however, STILL free to post their views and give their personal interpretations of the Sakar Murlis and Avyakt Vanis as per their personal comprehension, whenever they like, and they may also respond to any posts in any topic if they choose to do so.
Dear Admins,

An accused remains an accused until proved guilty. There are politicians the world over who hold the highest offices in various governments despite being accused of various crimes.

Non-appearance of a person before the Court does not render him a criminal. The Hon'ble Supreme Court of India has ruled in the past that even an innocent person may abscond due to fear to his life.

As regards the word University, it is not just Adhyatmik Vishwa Vidyalaya but also PBKIVV which has been using this word without any proper permission from the Government or the University Grants Commission of India. BK Karuna, the media head of PBKIVV has issued a Circular barring the BK centers also from using the word University or Vishwavidyalaya. But the word University or Vishwavidyalaya is being used on the directions of God Shiva as given through the medium of Dada Lekhraj in the Sakar Murlis.

“This is a house as well as a University. This itself is called the ‘God Fatherly World University’ (the Spiritual University of God the Father), because the true liberation of the human beings of the entire world is brought about [here]. This is the real world university. It is also a house; we are sitting in front of the Mother and Father. Moreover, it is also a university; the Spiritual Father is sitting [here].” (Mu.18.08.76, beginning of pg.1)
“This is a wonderful University. It looks like a house too, but the Father Himself is the true Teacher. It is a house as well as a school. That is why many people can’t understand whether it is a house or a school.” (A.V.22.04.84, beginning of pg. 265)
“This is the big Godly University (University of God the Father) or Iswariya Vishwa Vidyalaya, where human beings become Narayan from a man [and] Lakshmi from a woman. Many [institutions] have been named Vishwa Vidyalaya (university). In reality, they aren’t ‘world universities’. Actually, the entire world is the universe. [...] We aren’t allowed to keep this name, but the government itself keeps it.” (Mu.05.09.74, beginning of the middle of pg.2)
“A building worth millions rupees hasn’t been constructed for this University. This house has been constructed.” (Mu.28.10.73, beginning of pg.3)

As regards AVV being an unregistered organization, this again is based on the directions given by God Shiva through Dada Lekhraj in the Sakar Murlis. It is another aspect that PBKIVV cowed down under the government pressure and got itself registered.

“This is not a registered school of the Government. Government says, “Register your school. But this is a school, a house as well as a spiritual gathering.”-Murli dtd 11.6.71


= RESPONSE =

The Admins are adequately aware of the relevant legal aspects, and have no intention to enter into any debate, or discussion, with any other member regarding same; and further reserve their right to take all possible measures, in advance, to protect themselves from any legal implications which may accrue in the future. Members are cautioned to refrain from addressing such personal issues, which are based on their own personal interpretations, to the Admins.

As per existing SAT guidelines to the forum members, it is once again reiterated that the decisions and actions of the SAT with regard to any delegated functions are NOT SUBJECT to any undue scrutiny, criticism or discussion by/from/with any other member on the forum.

If any member disapproves of the manner in which the affairs of this forum are conducted by the SAT, they are ever free to disassociate themselves from the forum at any time.

With best wishes to ALL MEMBERS and ALL VIEWERS of the forum,

SAT

User avatar
Adam
Posts: 39
Joined: 15 Jul 2015
Affinity to the BKWSU: System Analyst
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: Understanding deeper aspects of spiritual knowledge

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by Adam » 28 Feb 2018

“Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.”

The earlier post was intended to present an idea, or a governing principle, for the benefit of everyone concerned.
The words quoted therein were only used as an example, and could have been chosen from any member at random, and were definitely not intended to deride any particular individual, or any particular group, but were intended for the benefit of everyone concerned.

It should also be appreciated that any individual, who may be affiliated to any group, whose words may have been randomly used as an example only, may spontaneously tend to regard same as a personal affront, if that individual chooses to view same with a small mind of his own, (owing to greater awareness of body-consciousness), but the very same individual could also perceive the benefit in same for everyone concerned, if he so chooses to view same with a great mind of his own (owing to greater awareness of soul-consciousness).
This, again, is another idea, or governing principle, which is intended for the benefit of everyone concerned, and is not intended to deride any particular individual, or any particular group.

destroy old world
Vishnu Party
Posts: 48
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Affinity to the BKWSU: ex-BK

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by destroy old world » 02 Mar 2018

‘subtle aspect of human behaviour’, ‘adequate spiritual enlightenment’, ‘governing principle’, etc – how in the hell are terror rapists like Virendra Dev Dixit, and his stupid son who arrogantly supports him, expected to understand any of these things at all, is beyond my understanding.
The son of the terror rapist does not even have the simplest sense to understand what is unparliamentary, and just keeps on accusing others, without realizing that his accusations actually apply to his own self, and his bodily guru, terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, first of all!

Are the criminal actions of the criminal rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, of raping innocent woman and girls, by fooling them, in the name of God, considered to be parliamentary by the son of the criminal rapist?
Furthermore, are all the below mentioned activities of the criminal rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, in the name of God, considered to be parliamentary by the son of the criminal rapist?
1. Filling the innocent and ignorant minds and intellects of the PBKs with great hatred for the BKs, with his wrong interpretations of the scriptures?
2. Instigating and motivating the innocent and ignorant PBKs to spew venom against the BK Seniors, BK Teachers, and the BKs, with his wrong and deceptive interpretations of the Murlis and Vanis?
3. Absconding from the authorities after he has been accused of rape and criminal activity by his own followers, and after criminal cases have been registered against him even by the CBI?
4. Continuing to be guilty of contempt of court by defying the judges of the Delhi High Court and not appearing before them, even after being summoned on various occasions?
5. Continuing to mislead and instigate his blind followers to continue to defy the authorities, while himself remaining in hiding to avoid being arrested and being brought to justice?
And many more –

If all the above are considered to be parliamentary by the stupid son of the terror rapist, then why was the terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit thrown out of the spiritual parliament of Indrasabha, at Mt Abu, several years ago? And if the conduct of the LIAR, acting on his behalf, was considered to be parliamentary, then why was he thrown out of the judicial parliament of the High Court of Delhi by the honourable Judges, on 5th of February this year?
Thus, it is very clear that the conduct of this ignorant and arrogant son of the terror rapist is unparliamentary, and he should have also been thrown out of this forum long ago. It is beyond my understanding as to why the admins continue to tolerate his unparliamentary, ignorant and arrogant conduct on this forum, which is definitely an evil influence to everyone on the forum, and to all of humanity!

Every accusation made by the ignorant son of the terror rapist, best suits his own self, and he does not even realiaze same at all. That is why God Father Shiva has said that if one wishes to see the greatest mahamurkh idiots on the face of this earth, then see idiots like mahamurkh terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, and his mahamurkh stupid son, who arrogantly supports him and then shamelessly continues to accuse others, for what they themselves are guilty of, in the first place. Shameless fools, these idiots are, and gh has rightly described them on this forum as spiritual morons and zombies, who do not know or understand what they are doing and even what they are saying!
The ignorant son of the terror rapist is shameless enough to accuse others of practicing bias against the PBKs, when he himself had ganged up with fb all these years and was practicing bias against the BKs openly all along, and the two of them where taunting all others shamelessly and filthily, for which readers may view the various topics on this forum, for their own understanding and clear proof.

Readers can easily understand the greatest stupidity and ignorant arrogance of the son of the terror rapist, in his latest post above, from the points below.
1. Although an accused remains an accused only, but still innocent, until proved guilty, yet confirmed terror rapists like Virendra Dev Dixit, who continue to pose an immediate and grave threat to the public, especially woman and young girls, have to be taken into custody promptly, and jailed, in order to protect the public, until finally cleared from all accusations of rape and other crimes against humanity, or until it has been determined that there would not be any immediate grave threat to the public by allowing to roam freely – a recent case being that of well known and very famous crooked spiritual leader, with a very large following of devotees, who has been similarly raping woman, like Virendra Dev Dixit, and who has been kept in jail since several years, until he is finally cleared from all accusations of rape pending against him, or until he no longer poses a threat to the public.
2. An accused remains an accused only, but still innocent, until proved guilty, in order to afford adequate protection to innocent victims who may have been wrongly accused, or falsely accused, out of revenge from his enemies; but this does not mean that a proved and perverted terror rapist like Virendra Dev Dixit, against whom sufficient subjective evidence has already been documented in public, from several victims raped by him, including girls who are below the age of consent, can continue to remain free until he has been proved guilty by objective evidence, which takes years and years, during which period terror rapists like Virendra Dev Dixit would continue raping many more ignorant woman and innocent kanyas, which cannot be allowed by any sensible government of the day, if they do not desire to be voted out of office eventually.
3. The crooked politicians who still hold public offices, in spite of being accused of serious crimes, are able to do so on account of abuse of power, but the laws are now changing to even hold them to account and prevent them from holding public offices, until reasonably cleared from such accusations. In any case, God Father Shiva has clearly indicated that a tribunal will sit, at the end, to punish all such crooked politicians who are guilty of such grave offences against humanity. No one can escape Dharamraj, at the end, even if they manage to escape from being brought to justice under the existing worldly legal systems!
4. Non-appearance of a person before a Court of Law is a crime which is punishable by a jail term. An innocent person may not appear due to fear for his life, provided it is very clear that such threat really exists to his life, and a proper application is made by that person to the Court, and the Court has allowed such absentation, after duly considering his case. In this case, the terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit has not proved that there exists a threat to his life, and he has not been allowed such absentation by the High Court. On the contrary, there is sufficient subjective evidence to prove that rapist Virendra Dev Dixit is guilty, and most definitely not innocent, and is a definite threat to the public, and in particular to innocent woman and girls, if allowed to roam freely. Therefore, by deliberately absconding, in this particular case, terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit has not only clearly proved himself that he is definitely guilty of the accusations, but is also guilty of clear contempt of court, for which he is liable for a jail term, which would be separate, and in addition to the jail term for other crimes committed by him. Recently even a high court judge from West Bengal state of India has been jailed for contempt of court, for not appearing before the Supreme Court, even after being summoned to appear before the CJI.
5. As usual, whenever any wrong is pointed out about the terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit and his terror organization, this terror son of the rapist immediately jumps to what he believes, according to his ignorant and stupid interpretations, to be the wrongs committed by BKs or the BK organization, which have been fed to his degenerated intellect by terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit. The BK organization is sensible enough to abide by the laws of the land, where required and necessary, and maintains harmonious relationships with the authorities, under the active guidance of God Father Shiva and Brahma Baba, right from the very beginning until today. But the son of the rapist moves like a snake, in order to slip away from his own wrong doings by taking the support of what he believes to be the wrong doings of others, as if he will be declared innocent of his own wrong doings, by pointing at what he arrogantly believes to be the wrong doings of others. A complete spiritual moron and zombie, according to gh, who is hundred percent right in describing this son of the terror rapist most correctly.
6. The son of the terror rapist keeps quoting points from the Sakar Murlis, without understanding the correct context in which they were originally intended, even after hundreds of points from the Sakar Murlis have been presented on this forum by mbb and gh, which completely contradict the dogwash and pigwash of terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit. The actual truth is that the son of the rapist does not even bother to read such points from the Sakar Murlis being presented on this forum, forget about even understanding them correctly, since he is completely brainwashed with the dogwash and pigwash of terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, and is only hell bent on promoting spiritual terrorism, in the name of God, and then even fooling the innocent general public that he is on Godly Service, when it is now very clear to all concerned that he is clearly on the service of the devil himself, in person. Hence, there is no question of understanding such points of the Sakar Murlis, even if the son of the terror rapist at all reads them even. What a pity!
7. All the points from the Sakar Murlis, quoted by the son of the terror rapist, are meant for the real University established by God Father Shiva, and do not apply to any other university that may be started by other spiritual idiots, like terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit. In the beginning, when the gathering was small, it was not necessary to register the Godly University, and those earlier points refer to that period of time, under those circumstances. Later on, as expansion takes place, it becomes necessary to approach other schools and colleges for the purpose of giving the Godly knowledge, and even offering them other courses, which are indirectly linked to the Godly knowledge, for which it becomes necessary to register the Godly University in order to facilitate the Godly service. But mahamurkh terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit and his mahamurkh stupid terror son cannot understand any of these things in the correct sense. They think that the matas and kanyas who have surrendered to the real Godly University, are like prostitutes, because some of them may still be following the practice of giving dhristi to other male members during meditation, which has been actually advocated by God Father Shiva in a different context; and they think that the actual prostitutes who actually have sex with rapist Virendra Dev Dixit are holy parvatis who are greater than the those BK matas and kanyas. One can clearly understand the degeneration of the degraded intellects of the makamurkh terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit and his mahamurkh terror idiot son, who continues to support him.
8. PBKIVV have not cowed down under the government pressure, as ignorantly and arrogantly believed by the son of the terror rapist, but have acted sensibly. It is the proved terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit who is a complete coward, who is afraid to face the public in the open, who is afraid to come before the High Court judge, and who is absconding because of fear of being arrested and jailed, because he knows that he is clearly guilty of the accusations against him.
9. Many idiot PBKs stupidly believe that since the terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit was cleared from rape charges on an earlier occasion, so the present rape charges against him are false this time also. He was cleared from the rape charges on the earlier occasion because the victims were forced to become hostile, some being paid money and some being threatened with dire consequences including murder, and the cases had to be withdrawn for lack of adequate objective evidence at that time. That does not mean that he was not guilty of committing rape even at that time, because he was definitely guilty of same, but could not be convicted for the said reasons. Those cases are also being investigated again by the CBI. The main reason why the confirmed rapist Virendra Dev Dixit is absconding is that he now realizes that there is no way out for him this time, and the concerned police officials and ministers, whose protection he had been enjoying all these years, will not be in a position to support him any longer, since sufficient subjective evidence has been already documented in the public domain, which requires thorough investigation, and even the officials of the CBI cannot be pressurized into compromising with the case, as it stands now.
10. In one of the points of the Sakar Murlis, quoted by the son of the rapist, although it is clearly indicated that the word Ishwariya should be there in the name of the Godly university, the mahamurkh terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, has subsequently removed even that word from AIVV, to change same to AVV, thus ignoring the clear directive of God Father Shiva in that Murli point, which these idiots themselves have been quoting all these years, without understanding anything what they are actually saying, and what wrong they are actually doing.
11. See also the Sakar Murli revised on 1st March this year -
यह ज्ञान सिर्फ शिवबाबा ही ब्रह्मा द्वारा तुम बच्चों को देते हैं, इसलिए तुमको ही यह सृष्टि चक्र का ज्ञान है। देवताओं को नहीं है।
= It is only Shiv Baba who gives you children this knowledge through Brahma. This is why only you have this knowledge of the world cycle; the deities do not have it.

The terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit considers himself to be Shiv Baba, and considers Shiva to be Shiv Bap. In that case, it would mean that the terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit was giving knowledge through Brahma Baba, in the late sixties, when he was not even present there. From the above, one can clearly understand as to what level the degenerated intellects of these spiritual morons and zombies, as correctly described by gh, have degraded to. They do not even know what they are speaking about, and shamelessly continue to quote the points from the Sakar Murlis, when they do not understand anything there at all, in the proper sense, due to their degenerated intellects.

So now, one can clearly understand, what thorough and complete idiots these mahamurkh PBKs are, who have been made as such by none other than the mahamurkh terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, who has been indulging in spiritual terrorism and prostitution all these years, and who is a renowned proved and confirmed spiritual terrorist, who has been raping ignorant woman and innocent young girls, and then threatening them with dire consequences including murder, if they ever dared to reveal that he had been raping them all along – that too, in the name of God!

Where is that son of the terror rapist hiding now? Come out in the open and defend your rogue bodily guru who has been raping ignorant woman and innocent girls all these years, if you dare to do so, until he has the guts to come out in the open himself, and appear before the High Court judges, if he considers himself to be innocent at all, instead of clearly proving himself to be a disgraceful coward and a sissy before the whole world ..

User avatar
arjun
PBK
Posts: 11513
Joined: 01 May 2006
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: to exchange views with past and present members of BKWSU and its splinter groups
Location: India

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by arjun » 04 Mar 2018

“तो यह सब बाप समझाते हैं, इसमें ग्लानि की कोई बात नहीं है। बच्चों को सदैव हर्षित रहना है। यह तो ड्रामा बना हुआ है। मुझे इतनी गालियाँ देते हैं, फिर मैं क्या करता हूँ? गुस्सा आता है क्या। समझता हूँ ड्रामा अनुसार यह सब भक्ति मार्ग में फँसे हुए हैं। नाराज़ होने की बात ही नहीं है। ड्रामा ऐसा बना हुआ है। प्यार से समझानी देनी होती है। बिचारे अज्ञान अन्धेरे में पड़े हैं, नहीं समझते हैं तो तरस भी पड़ता है। सदैव मुस्कुराते रहना चाहिए। यह बिचारे स्वर्ग के द्वारे आ नहीं सकेंगे, यह सब शान्तिधाम में जाने वाले हैं। सब चाहते भी शान्ति ही हैं।“ (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक 15.07.09, पृ. 3 एवं 4)

“So, the Father explains all this. There is no question of defamation in this. Children should always remain joyful. This is a drama. People abuse Me so much; then what do I do? Do I feel angry? I think that all these are entangled in the path of Bhakti as per drama. There is nothing to be upset. The drama itself is like this. You have to explain lovingly. Poor fellows are lying in darkness of ignorance; if they do not understand, then I also feel pity. You should always keep smiling. These poor fellows will not be able to come to the gateway of heaven. All these are going to go to the abode of peace. It is peace that everyone wishes.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 15.07.09, pg 3&4 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)

destroy old world
Vishnu Party
Posts: 48
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Affinity to the BKWSU: ex-BK

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by destroy old world » 05 Mar 2018

son of terror rapist wrote:“So, the Father explains all this. There is no question of defamation in this. Children should always remain joyful. This is a drama. People abuse Me so much; then what do I do? Do I feel angry? I think that all these are entangled in the path of Bhakti as per drama. There is nothing to be upset. The drama itself is like this. You have to explain lovingly. Poor fellows are lying in darkness of ignorance; if they do not understand, then I also feel pity. You should always keep smiling. These poor fellows will not be able to come to the gateway of heaven. All these are going to go to the abode of peace. It is peace that everyone wishes.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 15.07.09, translated by a PBK)
destroy old world wrote:6. The son of the terror rapist keeps quoting points from the Sakar Murlis, without understanding the correct context in which they were originally intended, even after hundreds of points from the Sakar Murlis have been presented on this forum by mbb and gh, which completely contradict the dogwash and pigwash of terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit. The actual truth is that the son of the rapist does not even bother to read such points from the Sakar Murlis being presented on this forum, forget about even understanding them correctly, since he is completely brainwashed with the dogwash and pigwash of terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, and is only hell bent on promoting spiritual terrorism, in the name of God, and then even fooling the innocent general public that he is on Godly Service, when it is now very clear to all concerned that he is clearly on the service of the devil himself, in person. Hence, there is no question of understanding such points of the Sakar Murlis, even if the son of the terror rapist at all reads them even. What a pity!
7. All the points from the Sakar Murlis, quoted by the son of the terror rapist, are meant for the real University established by God Father Shiva, and do not apply to any other university that may be started by other spiritual idiots, like terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit. ...
But mahamurkh terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit and his mahamurkh stupid terror son cannot understand any of these things in the correct sense. ...
One can clearly understand the degeneration of the degraded intellects of the makamurkh terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit and his mahamurkh terror idiot son, who continues to support him. ...
10. In one of the points of the Sakar Murlis, quoted by the son of the rapist, although it is clearly indicated that the word Ishwariya should be there in the name of the Godly university, the mahamurkh terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, has subsequently removed even that word from AIVV, to change same to AVV, thus ignoring the clear directive of God Father Shiva in that Murli point, which these idiots themselves have been quoting all these years, without understanding anything what they are actually saying, and what wrong they are actually doing.
11. See also the Sakar Murli revised on 1st March this year -
यह ज्ञान सिर्फ शिवबाबा ही ब्रह्मा द्वारा तुम बच्चों को देते हैं, इसलिए तुमको ही यह सृष्टि चक्र का ज्ञान है। देवताओं को नहीं है।
= It is only Shiv Baba who gives you children this knowledge through Brahma. This is why only you have this knowledge of the world cycle; the deities do not have it.

The terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit considers himself to be Shiv Baba, and considers Shiva to be Shiv Bap. In that case, it would mean that the terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit was giving knowledge through Brahma Baba, in the late sixties, when he was not even present there. From the above, one can clearly understand as to what level the degenerated intellects of these spiritual morons and zombies, as correctly described by gh, have degraded to. They do not even know what they are speaking about, and shamelessly continue to quote the points from the Sakar Murlis, when they do not understand anything there at all, in the proper sense, due to their degenerated intellects.
The stupid and arrogant son of the terror rapist keeps quoting points from the Sakar Murlis, without understanding the correct context in which they were originally intended, even after bringing the same to his notice several times, and even after other members have tried their best to make him understand the difference between the original intention of God Father Shiva and the dogwash and pigwash of his mahamurkh bodily guru, terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit!

In the above Murli point, God Father Shiva clearly explains that there is no question of defamation by terror rapists like Virendra Dev Dixit, either to His own Self, or to the true BKs; and that true BK Children should always remain joyful, since this is a drama; and mahamurkh terror rapists like Virendra Dev Dixit, and the mahamurkh idiots like PBKs, will continue to insult God and the BKs, by spreading lies to the world that the BK knowledge is false, and that their knowledge is true. Mahamurkh terror rapists like Virendra Dev Dixit abuse and insult God Father Shiva so much, by raping ignorant woman and innocent kanyas, in His name, and put so many obstacles in His work of world transformation; then what does He do? Does He feel or get angry? He knows and understands that mahamurkh terror rapists like Virendra Dev Dixit, along with all these mahamurkh idiots like PBKs, are entangled in the path of Bhakti, and the shooting of the path of Bhakti, during the Confluence Age, as per drama. Hence, there is nothing to be upset about same. The drama itself is made like this. God Father Shiva explains lovingly, and instructs the true BKs also to continue to explain lovingly, as much as they can. But the poor ignorant mahamurkh terror rapists like Virendra Dev Dixit, and mahamurkh idiots like PBKs, are lying in such darkness of ignorance, that they cannot understand the Love of God or the Love of the true BKs for them. When they do not understand, and refuse to understand owing to their ignorance and arrogance, then God Father Shiva also feels pity for them, but there is nothing more He can do, other than watch as a detached observer, when they finally have to get punished by Dharamraj at the end, during the process of world destruction.

I hope that after the above clarification of the Murli point, at least some of the ignorant PBKs who are still sleeping in the sleep of ignorance, will be able to give up their arrogance, and will start waking up, and begin to understand the Murli points in the proper sense, which are being highlighted on this forum for their benefit alone, because of the Love of God Father Shiva for all of mankind and all of humanity!
Mahamurkh terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, and all the other mahamurkh idiot PBKs, who still choose to continue with their arrogance, and continue to insult and abuse God Father Shiva and the true BKs, are free to do so until their time comes for them to give their accounts. In fact, their urn of sins is already full and overflowing, that is why mahamurkh terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit is a fugitive on the run, and is unable to show his face even to the public in the open, but he is still arrogant and defiant, and continues to insult and mock God Father Shiva, by continuing to instigate the mahamurkh idiot PBKs who choose to continue to follow him, while he remains in hiding!

mbbhat
BK
Posts: 3230
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Affinity to the BKWSU: BK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I am a Bk and a writer. I have been benefited a lot by the knowledge given in BK institution. I also have materials written totally on logic without BK knowledge. Anyone can get them as attachments for free by email.

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by mbbhat » 06 Mar 2018

# Post No. 01: Mr. Dixit's independence and spiritual birth and womb-

From - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=48284&hilit=Jail#p48284 and the next post- [see the last para of part 3 and first para of part 4]
Mr. Dixit c/o arjun wrote:VCD No.564, C.No.1050, Bahadurgarh,
Mu.05.06.67, Dt.01.12.06
Part-3


God came and established heaven, taught Raja Yoga. What the Highest on high Father came and taught, you have understood it now and regarding the others you know [anyway]. They also celebrate the birthday of Krishna (Krishna jayanti). They think that He was the master of heaven (Vaikunth). Is the birthday of a corporeal one or an incorporeal one celebrated?[/color] (Students: Of the corporeal one.) The [birthday] of the corporeal one is celebrated. They celebrate the birthday of Krishna or the birthday of Ram, so surely those souls might have played some part in the corporeal form at some time. They celebrate the birthday of Krishna in the Copper Age. So certainly the shooting of the Copper Age might have taken place. It is the drama, isn’t it? There is some drama, its rehearsal, shooting takes place. So, in the shooting period, when the shooting of the Copper Age was taking place, at that time the soul of Krishna is revealed among the Brahmin children and his jayanti takes place meaning he is born. Where is he born? He is born in jail. The day when he is born, they celebrate Janmaashtami on that day. What? They celebrate Janmaashtami. They say: He was released from the jail on that day, he became independent. He became independent from the jail of Kansa. ... (to be continued.)
arjun wrote:VCD No.564, C.No.1050, Bahadurgarh,
Mu.05.06.67, Dt.01.12.06
Part-4


He became independent? Arey, when the child is in the womb it is in bondage, when it comes out of the womb it becomes independent. In the same way, that soul of Krishna which was in bondage, [came] out [and] became independent. He gained independent from the jail of Kansa as well. That time is fixed in the shooting period. In the path of Bhakti [people] celebrate on 15th August. As a memorial of what do they celebrate the Independence Day on 15th August? (Someone said something.) No. The Bharatwaasis think, they gained independence on 15th August, this is why, they celebrate the Independence [Day]. Why is it so that they gained independence only on the 15th August? It is because on the 15th August the soul of Krishna became independent from the jail of Kansa in the shooting period in the Confluence Age Brahmin world. This is why they celebrate it. That day is the Independence Day as well as Janmaashtami. Only that one year is fixed in the shooting period, the day when it is Janmaashtami as well as the Independence Day. And it happens in the shooting of the Copper Age. It does not happen like this in the shooting of any other age. They celebrate the birthday of Krishna. They think, he was the master of Vaikunth (heaven). When Krishna is born and is released from the jail of Kansa then will he release the others from the jail as well or not?

There were such great religious fathers, had they become free from the jail of sorrow, had they been liberated, had they received mukti (liberation) and jiivanmukti (liberation in life), then would they have enabled the others to attain mukti and jiivanmukti or not?
(Students: They would have.) They neither received jiivanmukti themselves nor could they make others attain jiivanmukti. They [just] say: Mahatma Buddha went to nirvana, Shankaracharya went to nirvana. But did they go to nirvana [in reality]? No. There is no proof [of it]. The one who goes across (the one who attains true liberation) will take the others across as well. If he himself doesn’t go across, he doesn’t take the others across either. When a guru dies his followers make [someone else] their guru [thin ...
1) Had Mr. Dixit become independent on 15th August 1998 after being released from the jail?
If yes, why court case has come once again on him and Mr. Dixit is absconding like a coward?

2) In his WOMB theory, [ Flaw no. 170 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51138&hilit=Jayanti#p51138. ---. VCD No. 1708,.- viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=49083&hilit=womb#p49141 ] Mr. Dixit says he would be In womb till 2016/18. But, in the above discussion, he says he has come out of the womb on 15th August 1998!

Only contradiction and contradiction.

Even though both the points were written in the same topic, by the same pbk member, either the pbk soul or any other pbk member did not get slightest doubt, nor felt the responsibility of clarifying the matter.

User avatar
arjun
PBK
Posts: 11513
Joined: 01 May 2006
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: to exchange views with past and present members of BKWSU and its splinter groups
Location: India

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by arjun » 07 Mar 2018

"बना-बनाया ड्रामा है, जो कुछ होता है साक्षी होकर देखते चलो। विनाश होना है, स्थापना होनी है, साक्षी होकर देखना है। समझो कल अर्थक्वेक होती है तो ऐसे नहीं मैं बताऊंगा कि यह होना है। फिर तो सब प्रबंध कर लें। साक्षी होकर देखते चलो। मूल बात है मुझे याद करो। नहीं तो मुझे भी भूल जायेंगे। तुम बच्चों को महावीर बनना है। महावीर-महावीरनी को गॉड आफ नालेज, गॉडेज आफ नॉलेज कहा जाता है। गॉड ही योग सिखलाए महावीर बनाते हैं। पिछाड़ी में जब अर्थक्वेक आदि होंगी उस समय महावीरपना चाहिए। अभी तो तुम पुरूषार्थी हो। अचल-अडोल रहना पड़े और साथ-साथ बाबा की याद में मरें तो बहुत अच्छा। जो ज्ञान में अचल-अडोल होंगे वह बैठे-बैठे शरीर छोड़ेंगे। फिर कर्मातीत अवस्था में जाकर सर्विस करेंगे। बच्चों को परिपक्व अवस्था में शरीर छोड़ सूक्ष्मवतन में जाकर नई दुनिया में आना है।" (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक ०७.१२.०७, पृ.४)

"Banaa-banaaya drama hai, jo kuchh hota hai saakshi hokar dekhtey chalo. Vinaash hona hai, sthaapnaa honi hai, saakshi hokar dekhna hai. Samjho kal earthquake hoti hai toh aisey nahee mai bataaunga ki yah hona hai. Fir toh sab prabandh kar lein. Saakshi hokar dekhtey chalo. Mool baat hai mujhey Yaad karo. Nahee toh mujhey bhi bhool jayengey. Tum bachchon ko mahaaveer ban-na hai. Mahaveer-Mahaaveerni ko God of knowledge, Goddess of knowledge kahaa jaataa hai. God hee Yoga sikhlaaye Mahavir banaatey hain. Pichaadi may jab earthquake aadi hongi us samay Mahavirpanaa chaahiye. Abhi toh tum purushaarthi ho. Achal-adol rahnaa padey aur saath-saath baba kee Yaad may marein toh bahut achcha. Jo gyaan may achal-adol hongey vah baithey-baithey shareeer chodengey. Fir karmaateet avastha may jaakar service karengey. Bachchon ko paripakwa avastha may sharer chod sookshmavatan may jaakar fir nayi duniya may aanaa hai." (Brahmakumariyon dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli, dinaank 07.12.07, pg 4)

The drama is predetermined; keep observing whatever happens like a detached observer. Destruction is to take place; establishment is to take place; one has to observe like a detached observer. Suppose, an earthquake takes place tomorrow, then it is not as if I will tell that this is going to happen. Then everyone will make arrangements. Keep on observing like a detached observer. The core issue is – Remember Me. Otherwise, you will forget me as well. You children have to become Mahavir (bravest of all). Mahavir and Mahavirni are called God of knowledge and Goddess of knowledge. God Himself teaches Yoga and makes Mahavir and Mahavirni. In the end when earthquakes etc. will occur, at that time highest courage is required. Now you are effort-makers. You have to be firm and unshakeable. And along with that if someone dies in Baba’s remembrance, then it is very good. Those who are firm and unshakeable will leave their bodies while sitting (comfortably). Then they will go and do service in a karmaateet stage. Children should leave the body in a perfect stage and go to the Subtle Region and then come again to the new world." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 07.12.07, pg 4 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)

mbbhat
BK
Posts: 3230
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Affinity to the BKWSU: BK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I am a Bk and a writer. I have been benefited a lot by the knowledge given in BK institution. I also have materials written totally on logic without BK knowledge. Anyone can get them as attachments for free by email.

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by mbbhat » 07 Mar 2018

Post No. 02) PBKs suggesting to leave the corporeal body?!

3) So, are PBKs now suggesting to leave the corporeal body (when they fail to explain THEIR OWN lectures?) !

See post in following link -
viewtopic.php?f=13&p=53551#p53551

destroy old world
Vishnu Party
Posts: 48
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Affinity to the BKWSU: ex-BK

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by destroy old world » 09 Mar 2018

son of terror rapist wrote:“Keep on observing like a detached observer. The core issue is – Remember Me. Otherwise, you will forget me as well.” (Rev SM dated 07.12.07, translated by a PBK)
Instead of remembering incorporeal God Father Shiva, the ignorant pbk matas & innocent pbk kanyas, who have been tricked into being raped by him, can only remember the ling of terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, whom they ignorantly consider to be their Shiv Baba!
son of terror rapist wrote:“Mahavir and Mahavirni are called God of knowledge and Goddess of knowledge. God Himself teaches Yoga and makes Mahavir and Mahavirni.”
Neither terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, nor his ignorant son, are able to understand or accept that in this Murli point, god of knowledge, or Mahavir, refers to Brahma Baba; and goddess of knowledge, or Mahavirni, refers to Saraswati Mama!
son of terror rapist wrote:“Children should leave the body in a perfect stage and go to the Subtle Region and then come again to the new world.”
The son of the terror rapist forgot that his bodily guru has been saying that PBKs will NOT leave their present corporeal bodies, and is also not aware that this Murli point contradicts their beliefs!
son of terror rapist wrote:The drama is predetermined; keep observing whatever happens like a detached observer.

The idiot PBKs are enjoying observing the rape techniques of the terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit! See below -
Rape techniques of rapist Virendra Dev Dixit

From the above it becomes clear that neither terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, nor the idiot PBKs understand the Murli points which they keep on quoting, and they are not even aware that such points go against their teachings!

मनुष्य तो न पावन बनाने वाले राम परमात्मा को जानते, न पतित बनाने वाले रावण को जानते, बिल्कुल ही अन्जान हैं।
“People are COMPLETELY ignorant: they NEITHER know RAMA, the Supreme Soul, who purifies everyone; NOR Ravan who makes everyone impure.” [Revised SM 08.03.2018].

PBKs are completely ignorant or completely unconscious, which means they are completely body conscious, which is why they neither know Shiva nor Ravan. Those who know only Shiva but who do not know Ravan would be considered to be semi-conscious, or partly body conscious and partly soul conscious. Those who are fully soul conscious will know both Shiva as well as Ravan, and therefore, they will also know the difference between the mukrar rath of Shiva, Brahma Baba; and the mukrar rath of Ravan, Virendra Dev Dixit!

User avatar
arjun
PBK
Posts: 11513
Joined: 01 May 2006
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: to exchange views with past and present members of BKWSU and its splinter groups
Location: India

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by arjun » 11 Mar 2018

Unlimited Father speaks to his 'unlimited' children in an 'unlimited' manner. Those in body consciousness interpret it in a limited sense. They think leaving the body means leaving the physical body while it means leaving the body consciousness.

mbbhat
BK
Posts: 3230
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Affinity to the BKWSU: BK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I am a Bk and a writer. I have been benefited a lot by the knowledge given in BK institution. I also have materials written totally on logic without BK knowledge. Anyone can get them as attachments for free by email.

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by mbbhat » 12 Mar 2018

# Post No. 03) Are Mr Virendra Dev Dixit and PBKs unlimited children, or capable of acting only in limited manner ?
arjun wrote:Unlimited Father speaks to his 'unlimited' children in an 'unlimited' manner. Those in body consciousness interpret it in a limited sense. They think leaving the body means leaving the physical body while it means leaving the body consciousness.
4) The above pbk member many times has criticized the BKs that "they are acting superior to ShivBaba when they write their opinions".
But, the above such misinterpretation of Murli point is a clear indication that both Mr. Dixit and his followers act superior to ShivBaba, and hence have proven that they take anything FOR GRANTED.


Now, to another point-

5) Mr. Dixit had to hide in Limited way in front of Limited (lowkik or kourav) government. All of his acts clearly Prove that they are limited. He takes oath in lokik stamp papers.

When Mr Virendra Dev Dixit is hiding in Limited ways, can he be called as UNLIMITED child? Then what about his followers - can they be called as 'unlimited' children?

6) In fact, PBKs believe BKs as kouravas, and BKWSU as kourav govt. Then in front of which govt is he hiding? Yaadav govt???

7) It is shown in the media that some of the Aivv ashrams are like jails having the sisters being locked in such confined rooms, without giving due consideration to their swift escape in case of a sudden fire.
This shows that their intelligence and capacity is only limited; and, in fact, their courage or purity - both are like cowardice, is it not?

destroy old world
Vishnu Party
Posts: 48
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Affinity to the BKWSU: ex-BK

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by destroy old world » 15 Mar 2018

Now it is only becoming very clear to all concerned, that this stupid son of the terror rapist is only involved in, unknowingly and ignorantly, digging graves for his own bodily guru, terror rapist Virendra Dev Dixit, and all the other idiot PBKs . .

The ‘unlimited’ terror rapist Father, Virendra Dev Dixit, speaks in an ‘unlimited’ terrifying manner to his ‘unlimited’ idiot children, stupid PBKs, who interpret same in an ‘unlimited’ sense, due to their ‘unlimited’ body consciousness.
They stupidly think that when their ‘unlimited’ terror rapist Father, Virendra Dev Dixit, terrifies his ‘unlimited’ idiot children, stupid pbk matas and kanyas, by raping them, in the name of God, so such ‘unlimited’ acts of ‘unlimited’ spiritual terrorist, Virendra Dev Dixit, of raping them physically, will colour them with his ‘unlimited’ physical company or physical contact, and will make them leave their ‘unlimited’ body consciousness, and they will then become pure and soul conscious. These idiots should definitely be given an ‘unlimited’ Oscar Academy award for such ‘unlimited’ academic philosophy . .

So, if these stupid ‘unlimited’ pbk matas and kanyas, or ‘unlimited’ female pbk children, are getting coloured by the company of their ‘unlimited’ terror rapist Father, Virendra Dev Dixit, with such ‘unlimited’ physical contact with him, so as to make them leave their ‘unlimited’ body consciousness, and become pure, by getting RAPED physically by him, in this ‘unlimited’ manner of entry of his physical ling through their front gate of hell - so then it should stand to logical reason that the stupid ‘unlimited’ pbk kumars and adhar kumars, or ‘unlimited’ male pbk children, should also get coloured by the company of their ‘unlimited’ terror rapist Father, Virendra Dev Dixit, with such ‘unlimited’ physical contact with him, so as to make them leave their ‘unlimited’ body consciousness, and become pure, by getting SODOMISED physically by him, in this ‘unlimited’ manner of entry of his physical ling through their rear gate of hell . .

In fact, I have already come across some ‘unlimited’ pbk kumars and adhar kumars, who even seemed to accept such an atrocious idea, one of them being actually a well known surgeon of the GI tract, by profession, who later realized his great folly and then went totally against ‘unlimited’ terror rapist Father, Virendra Dev Dixit . .

It is now becoming very clear to all concerned that the spiritual terrorist, Virendra Dev Dixit, as well as his stupid son, are only involved in digging graves for their own selves, by continuing to refer to the pure knowledge of God Father Shiva, without understanding what they are saying and what they are doing - complete spiritual morons and zombies, as rightly pointed out by gh on this forum . .

User avatar
arjun
PBK
Posts: 11513
Joined: 01 May 2006
Affinity to the BKWSU: PBK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: to exchange views with past and present members of BKWSU and its splinter groups
Location: India

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by arjun » 19 Mar 2018

Mbbhat and 'destroy old world' are free to believe any report about Adhyatmik Vidyalaya and are free to hurl any kind of abuses on the PBKs, Baba Virendra Dev Dixit and Adhyatmik Vidyalaya on this forum. Om Shanti.

mbbhat
BK
Posts: 3230
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Affinity to the BKWSU: BK
Please give a short description of your interest in joining this forum.: I am a Bk and a writer. I have been benefited a lot by the knowledge given in BK institution. I also have materials written totally on logic without BK knowledge. Anyone can get them as attachments for free by email.

Re: Discussion on 'Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs'

Post by mbbhat » 19 Mar 2018

# Post No. 04:- Only AV, not AIVV?
arjun wrote:Mbbhat and 'destroy old world' are free to believe any report about Adhyatmik Vidyalaya and are free to hurl any kind of abuses on the PBKs, Baba Virendra Dev Dixit and Adhyatmik Vidyalaya on this forum. Om Shanti.
8) Once again, it shows that pbk characteristic is just to SOMEHOW ATTEMPT to throw the ball to the person of other court, by HOOK or CROOK, WITHOUT honestly attempting to ADDRESS the ball which is in their Court, properly, logically and sensibly. It also reminds one of the story of the fox saying "grapes are sour".

When Guru of PBKs himself, many times, gives vague and EVASIVE replies to his own followers (when he has no PROPER answer to give), similarly his followers also will be of that SAME type only, is it not?
Good luck to all the PBKs at least for next time.

9) BTW, have PBKs started to address their organisation as just AV instead of AIVV???
So, their acts, once again, automatically show that they are just LIMITED instead of UNLIMITED. [ Only Vidyalaya, no VISHWA Vidyalaya, ...]

10) The word, 'Ishwariya', was removed by the Guru of PBKs, himself, earlier, which is very much against the Murli point which PBKs keep quoting, in the first place (see below). Now the word, 'Vishwa', has been removed to comply with the HC order of the Kourav govt?

11) View post in this topic - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2696&p=53582#p53531
arjun wrote:
“This is the big Godly University (University of God the Father) or Iswariya Vishwa Vidyalaya, where human beings become Narayan from a man [and] Lakshmi from a woman. Many [institutions] have been named Vishwa Vidyalaya (university). In reality, they aren’t ‘world universities’. Actually, the entire world is the universe. [...] We aren’t allowed to keep this name, but the government itself keeps it.” (Mu.05.09.74, beginning of the middle of pg.2)

As regards AVV being an unregistered organization, this again is based on the directions given by God Shiva through Dada Lekhraj in the Sakar Murlis. It is another aspect that PBKIVV cowed down under the government pressure* and got itself registered.
12) We have to wait and see whether AV gets cowed down under the government pressure and gets itself registered!
BTW, why did they get cowed down under the HC pressure of the Kourav govt and drop the word, 'Vishwa', AGAINST the directions given by God Shiva, according to the Murli point quoted above by the innocent pbk?
Or will it finally become ONLY 'V' - 'unlimited' meaning being that Virendra Dev Dixit is the whole and soul of the entire pbk ashram?

*13) - This is Kingdom of Maya. So, we will have to bow down to the rules of kourav govt too to some extent TILL Golden Aged Kingdom comes. Even God is bound in drama. Do not PBKs have knowledge of that?

Baba has clearly said - "alp Kaal ke haar may bahut kaal ki jeeth samaayi huyi hai = Victory of long period lies in the defeat for small period."

To expect not to follow lokik govt rules even to slightest** extent would be like ego of spirituality/knowledge.
And, it also reflects the power to adjust, which is one of the 8 main spiritual powers of Raja Yoga.

But, when PBKs point one finger on OTHERs, three fingers point on themselves only. They claim for silly things that BKWSU violates srimath, but they do not realize that they are violating srimath much more than that.
And, now here too we can see what all the accusations PBKs put on BKWSU (PBKIVV), later, the so-called PBKs have fallen into their own trap.

**14) BTW - Baba has clearly said - "prajapita means one who has karm-bandhan at least to some extent, and Avyakt Brahma means karmaateet. "
So, in Brahmin life, there will be some karm-bandhan.
Do not many PBKs work 8 hours per day, like a donkey in this world, as per govt laws or lokik Kaliyugi people? (Even BKs work. But, they do not criticize lokik people or govt. They adjust and move, also serve others instead of criticizing like PBKs).

15) BTW - PBKs believe their own Guru Shankar - whom they claim "Father is strict", is being controlled by bull to such an extent that Mr. Dixit sometimes slaps some sister during Amrit Vela. Now, is this not worse than cowing down?

In fact, when the Guru of PBKs claims he got independence in 1998, but is still bring controlled by a ghost/bull until date, then what a ridiculous and hopeless state the PBKs are in - and yet they still point fingers on OTHERs - do they have any ability of self-realization at all??

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests