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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 03 Nov 2009

Disc.CD No.534, dated 13.3.08 at Nilanga
Part-4


Time: 28.24
Student: Baba, to whom is full beggar to full prince applied? Is it for the soul of Ram?
Baba: Five year plans have been made by that (Indian) Government. Whom does even the worldly government follow? It follows God only. But there will be a difference between the actions of God and the actions of the people of the world, won’t there? So, that Government also prepares 5 year plans. But they do not succeed. They do make 5 year plans. They prepared the five year plan once, it failed. Then they prepared (it again) next year. Then the 5 year plan continued upto the tenth year. Then that too did not succeed. Then they prepared it a third time. Fifteen years passed. It did not succeed again. And up until now they continue to prepare five year plans. Their plans do not succeed because their methods are wrong. And what about here? Here God Himself prepares the five year plan. Which is the year of perfection? 77. Add 5 years to the year 77.
Student: 81.
Baba: The five years are completed in 81. And in 82, that full beggar, who did not have any place (of his own)...; a beggar has been defined in the Murlis (thus) , a beggar should not have anything. Nothing means not even clothes. Yes, no relative. No household. No bank balance. Does a beggar have any bank balance? Yes, today’s false beggars do have (a bank balance). But the true beggars don’t have any bank balance. It is very important to become a beggar in the knowledge of God. Even if someone has 100-200, thousand, lakh-two lakh (hundred-two hundred thousand rupees), what should he do? He should invest it in the service of God and become a beggar. If he becomes a full beggar, he will also become a full prince.

So, this plan begins from the year 77. It starts from 77 and that full beggar stands on his feet (i.e. becomes self sufficient) in 82. Will the one who changes from a full beggar to a full prince need to beg before anyone or will others become his subordinates? Will a Prince be dependant on someone or will others be dependant on him? Others can be dependant on him, but a Prince cannot depend on anyone except the king. So, this is ShivBaba’s plan, the five year plan. It is implemented only once and in one chance ‘the full beggar to full prince’ is revealed in the world.


Time: 31.39
Student: Baba, what is meant by ‘akela cana bhaar nahi for sakta’ (one swallow doesn’t make a summer)?

Baba: Which seed has the thickest peel?
Student: Rice.
Baba: Rice? The peel of gram seed (chana) is very big as well as thick. But does the seed of gram belong to the path of household (pravritti marg) or to the path of renunciation (nivritti marg)?
Student: The path of household.
Baba: How? There are two cotyledons in it. For example there is baajra (pearl millet). There is jwaar (great millet). They don’t have two cotyledons. That belongs to the path of renunciation and gram, pea or any pulse consists two cotyledons. Its peel is thick. Its peel is big. What was the question? Gram (cana)? A single swallow cannot make a summer. So, this is a saying about gram that a single cana (a person) won’t do anything alone. If someone is single, it means that there is no purity at all (in him). The one who is single, for example Sanyasis; Sanyasis are single. Or do they live in unity? They don’t have unity at all. They break the unity of their own family. So, how will they build the unity of others? So, they do not have unity at all.

So, there is a saying for a gram seed that as long as it is alone, it cannot do anything. Bhar means, what is this world? It is a hell. The world is like a hell. A person cannot perform the task of destroying that hell alone. When will he do it? When he prepares a gathering and the gathering is built through purity. When there is purity, there will be unity. And if the unity is true then the false world will be destroyed. Otherwise, this false world, this world which is a hell cannot be destroyed. It is [like] a haystack (bhambhor). This haystack will be set on fire only when the seed-form souls come in front of the world in a united form. That is why it has been said, even if one powerful gathering is ready, one gathering will pull the other gathering and in the end the gathering of the rosary of 108 will be revealed before the world. Is the gathering visible anywhere now or is it appearing to be more disintegrating? What can be seen? Even more, the hearts are broken amongst each other. The Gitapathshalas that are functioning, they too are fighting amongst themselves. Everyone is clashing with each other. Well, the poor gram seed is left alone. So, the saying has been made, a single swallow cannot make a summer.


Time: 34.48
Student: Did the eight deities (ashta dev) listen to the secret of the visions before Brahma Baba?

Baba: Hum?
Student: Was the secret of the visions narrated to the eight deities before being narrated to Brahma Baba?
Baba: It is correct. Those who belong to the Sun dynasty (Suryavanshi) will first of all narrate to those belonging to their Sun Dynasty. And who narrated to Brahma Baba? And who narrated to the eight deities? The Father narrates to the eight deities and the mother narrates to Brahma Baba. So, it makes a difference, doesn’t it?

Time: 35.26
Student: It is shown that water emerges from the mouth of Ganga and falls on the Shivling.

Baba: The water of knowledge narrated by Ganga causes the salvation and true salvation (gati-sadgati) of the corporeal form of Shiv too. What? The uplift will be brought about only through the (knowledge narrated through the) mouth of virgins and mothers. You will certainly have to make the mother as your guru. You will not be uplifted without a mother-guru. These Ganga, Yamuna, Saraswati are mothers. Among them, Saraswati, Yamuna are not praised so much. Who is praised? Ganga is praised. Why is Ganga praised so much? It is because the mud of body consciousness of Ganga is not sticky and the mud of the other rivers is sticky.... (to be continued)
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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 04 Nov 2009

Disc.CD No.534, dated 13.3.08 at Nilanga
Part-5


Time: 36.28
Student: Ram and Krishna are companions of many births. Even then, why is the soul of Krishna unable to recognize (the Father)?

Baba: Why is it not able to recognize? It is because there is a connection of Father and son. A Father is the creator and a child is a creation. A child will have a child-like intellect. And what about the Father? The Father will have a mature intellect. So, isn’t there a difference (between them)? Until that child becomes the one with a mature intellect, he cannot be said to have a stage equal to that of the Father. These are ten generations. Will there be a difference between one generation and the other or not? And will there be a little difference or a big difference? There is a big difference. Can there be a comparison between the Suryavanshis (those belonging to the Sun dynasty), the Chandravanshis (those of the Moon dynasty), the Islam Vanshis (those of the Islam dynasty), the Buddhists and those of the Christian dynasty? They have decreasing celestial degrees when compared to each other. Like the nine gems. Among the nine gems, can there be a comparison between the diamond (heera), emerald (panna), pearl (moti), coral (moonga), ruby (maanikya)? There is a huge difference between their costs. Similarly there is a difference between Ram and Krishna too. There is a difference in their attainments of 84 births as well.

Time: 40.09
Student: Baba, between Lakshmi and Narayan, whose position is higher?

Baba: When the name is praised, when it is uttered, Lakshmi’s position is ahead and Narayan comes after her. Why? Lakshmi’s name is uttered first because without her Narayan cannot become perfect either because household is necessary to make perfect special effort for the soul (purusharth), to achieve the perfect stage of Rajyog. Moreover, should a household be of the equal ones or of the unequal ones? For example, when marriage takes place, do they make match between [the boy and the girl] or not? How do they make a match? They should also be similar physically. If one is very fat and the other is very thin, dwarf, will the household work out for many days? The household will not work for many days. It will fail. If one is very rich, if he belongs to a prosperous family and the other is very poor, a beggar, and if their household (marriage) is arranged, then will it work? It will not. So, similarly, even in this path of God, when equal purusharthi (makers of special effort for the soul) souls meet on the path of making special efforts for the soul, they become victorious. Well that match could be on the basis of vibrations, on the basis of vision, on the basis of organs of action, on the basis of speech. That is a different issue.

Time: 42.38
Student: In the beginning of the Golden Age, the population has been mentioned to be 916108....

Baba: Not in the beginning of the Golden Age. In the first birth of the Golden Age.
Student: And in the end (of the Golden Age) it has been said to be 2 crores (20 million).
Baba: Yes, it is in the last birth of the Golden Age, in the end, i.e. in the beginning of the Silver Age. The birth in the beginning of the Silver Age and the last birth in the Golden Age is the eighth birth. At the end of it, the population is two crores.Student: What is the population in the beginning of the Silver Age? Baba: 10 crores (100 million). At the most 10 crores. It has not been mentioned accurately. From 2 crores to 10 crores, how many times did it increase? It increased five times. In the Silver Age alone, it increased five times. So, in the Copper Age, will it increase many times more or will it increase to a lesser extent? The proportion of increase will certainly become more. And what about in the Iron Age? In the Iron Age it will be even more. In the year (19)47 only the population of India was 40 crores (400 million). And now, when compared to the year (19)47, how much time has passed? 60 years have passed, isn’t it? Which figure has the population reached in the 60 years?
Student: 120 crores (1.2 billion).
Baba: Then? 120 means, it has increased three times in just 60 years. So, the population of the world must also have increased three times.
Student: 10 crores till the end of the Silver Age.
Baba: Approximately 10 crores till the end of the Silver Age.
Student: How is there the glory of 33 crore (330 million) deities ?Baba: As regards that, souls of every religion keep descending (from the Soul World) till the end. It is not that the souls belonging to the Ancient Deity religion (Devi Devta Sanatan dharm) stop coming in the Copper Age. No. They are descending as well. Souls of every religion continue (to descend) till the end. It doesn’t finish in between.Student: Semi-destruction takes place in the end of the Silver Age, does it not?
Baba: Semi-destruction takes place in the end of the Silver Age. Complete destruction takes place in the end of the Iron Age. For example, did semi-destruction take place in the world of Brahmins around 98 during the Copper Age shooting or did complete destruction take place? Semi-destruction took place..... (to be continued).
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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 05 Nov 2009

Disc.CD No.534, dated 13.3.08 at Nilanga
Part-6


Time: 45.58
Student: Baba, today the intellectual section of the society is holding higher positions.

Baba: Hum?
Student: They are holding high positions.
Baba: In today’s world.
Student: Whereas, they don’t even recognize the Father. When we go to give message, they do not accept the Father and do not even recognize Him either. Then what great actions have they performed (which made them attain such high positions)?
Baba: So, is it in the end of the world (cycle) or in the middle or in the beginning? Do they attain high position in the middle of the duration of the world cycle or in the beginning or do they receive the high post in the complete end? When do they attain it?
Student: In the end.
Baba: So, are you ready to take it in the end?
Student: No, it is not so; in order to give message.
Baba: It has been said that they would have recognized the Father in the end. What? When the time for the Father’s revelation would have approached, when the issue would have reached the courts and the Supreme Court, then it will be published in the newspapers, transmitted through TV, then they will recognize. So, if they recognize for a short time, will they attain the fruits for a short period or will they attain fruits for a longer period? How will it be? Arey, are you not understanding this?
Student: I am understanding but.....
Baba: It is not a case of the present time. It is a long duration for those who are sitting now (in high positions). Short-term special effort for the soul (purusharth) done here becomes long-term purusharth for there. So, suppose the revelation is fixed for 2018. So, the souls who will take the message in 2018 and will do purusharth with a fast speed because they will be satopradhan (consisting mainly in the quality of goodness and purity) at that time. So, their short-term purusharth made at that time becomes instrumental in giving them the kingship for 4-5 years at present. There is a big difference between their kingship and the kingship of the souls belonging to the Deity religion, who take 84 births. They achieve attainments for many births and they (those at high posts at present) become kings for 4-5 years, or 6-8 years in the last birth. Which soul ruled for the longest period in democratic government (prajatantra sarkaar)?
Student: Nehru.
Baba: Nehru. When compared to him, all the others ruled for a lesser period. Similarly, you can tally it with Nehru in an unlimited sense. Nehru in an unlimited sense proves to be the soul who achieves kingship for a longer period in the entire duration of 5000 years. Just as it was applied in the life of Gandhi. He worked so hard (thinking) we shall bring the kingdom of Ram (Ramrajya); we shall bring the kingdom of Ram. But neither did the kingdom of Ram arrive nor was he able to take (enjoy) some portion of it. Establishment (of a free India) took place in the year 19(47); the freedom struggle ended and that soul died in the year (19)47 itself. He did not achieve anything. Similarly, it is applicable here to the soul of Krishna as well. Similarly, it applies to all the religious fathers and their followers too.
Student: Baba, Nathuram Godse fired a bullet at him i.e. Gandhiji. So, what is meant by Nathuram Godse in an unlimited sense?
Baba: ‘Na’ means no and what is meant by ‘thu’? Thukna (to spit). Nathu Ram; but he was ‘god Silver Age’ (like god), who could attack even Gandhiji. Gandhi means the soul of Krishna. The one who could supress even the soul of Krishna and sit on a high position, what does it prove? (It proves that) He is like God. So, his name was Nathuram Godse. He fired a bullet at even at such a great soul. Would he have shot him with the help of some point (i.e. issue) or will he simply shoot him? He must have seen some point of weakness in him so, he shot him. And who is the biggest guru in the world? There are so many bodily gurus in this world. Among them, who is the biggest guru?
Student: ShivBaba.
Baba: ShivBaba? Is he a bodily guru? Here, we are talking about the bodily guru. We are talking about the body conscious gurus that there are body conscious gurus in the world. Among them who is the most body conscious guru?
Student: Brahma.
Baba: Look, these people are speaking wrong. Pay attention. So, he is like the Gandhi of the Confluence-age world of Brahmins. Who? Brahma Baba. Similarly, he (i.e. M.K.Gandhi) is the Gandhi of the limited world. Nathuram Godse in a limited sense shot at Gandhi of the limited world. And Baba also says in the Murli, you should fire bullets at these gurus. So, the Nathuram Godse in an unlimited sense.... did he shoot him while descending, had did he fire the shot when he was walking down the staircase or when he was climbing the staircase? He fired the shot when he was descending. It has also been said for that Gandhi. Gandhi died and took birth at the home of a very rich person of Rajkot (a place in Rajasthan in India). So, what does it mean in an unlimited sense? When the Gandhi in an unlimited sense, i.e. the soul of Brahma leaves the body, where does it take birth? The kot of kings (raja); kot means fort. What? The kot i.e. the fort of the kings of the Advance Party; a fort of kings is being built. A gathering is becoming ready. In that gathering there is a Congressman who is very rich in gems of knowledge. It (i.e. the soul of Gandhi in an unlimited sense) enters his basket-like intellect. It takes birth there; it is revealed. Taking birth means being revealed.

Time: 52.48
Student: Baba, Bheeshma (a character in the epic Mahabharat) has been shown to be lying on a bed of arrows in Mahabharata. In the picture of the Ladder, the soul of Ram has been shown to be lying on a bed of thorns. And Christ was crucified. How does its shooting takes place here?

Baba: Leave aside the issue of the soul of Ram. About him it has been said that there is nothing in the world that is not applicable to him. What? Leave aside that topic. But the part of Bheeshma Pitaamah that has been depicted, does it belong to the path of household (pravritti marg) or to the path of renunciation (nivritti marg)? It is a part of the path of renunciation. It means that there is a powerful soul among the souls who play the part of the path of renunciation, but despite being so powerful, whom does it help? It helps those who live in the abode of the body conscious elephants (haathi). What? It does not help those who live in Indraprasth (the capital of Pandavas). It means that he becomes the helper of the sinful ones. He does not become the helper the noble souls (punyatma), i.e. the Pandavas. So, he will be revealed amongst the seed-form souls. The time is coming......(concluded)
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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 14 Nov 2009

VCD 886, Audio Cassette No. 1372, Dt. – 13.2.08
Kalaimagal Nagar Discussion
Extracts-Part-1


Student: Does the Golden Age begin when the Golden Age Krishna takes birth?
Baba: When will it be called era 1.1.1? Will the era 1.1.1 begin in the Confluence Age or in the Golden Age? There is no history at all in the Golden Age, so, the day, month and date will not be said to have begun either. Where is history made? It is made in this world. So, the era 1.1.1 will be said for the time when the Father comes and gives the inheritance of heaven in the midst of the world of hell. When? And will the gathering of the souls who make accurate special effort for the soul (purusharth) receive the inheritance of heaven first or will everyone receive it first?
Student: Those who make accurate purusharth.
Baba: How many souls will make accurate purusharth?
Student: 9 lakhs (900 thousand).
Baba: Will nine lakh souls make accurate purusharth? Will they not include the souls of the subject category (praja varg)? Those who belong to the subject category certainly do not make purusharth, they do not learn Rajyog.
Student: 16108.
Baba: As far as 16108 are concerned, there are many among them who become servants and maids. They will not at all be said to be the ones who do accurate purusharth.
Student: 108.
Baba: Souls of all the religions are included among 108.
Student: 8.
Baba: So, there are only 8 who do not suffer the punishments of Dharmaraj; they make accurate purusharth. So, the era 1.1.1 will be said to have begun when their gathering (of 8) is ready, when the unit of family is made through them in the new world.
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Student: It is a tree of variety religions, isn’t it?
Baba: Yes. It is a tree of variety religions; everyone does not take 84 births in it.
Student: He has come to establish one religion, one kingdom.
Baba: He has come. The Father has come to establish one religion, one kingdom. He destroys the others. So, who are destroyed? The Father has indeed come; He is teaching the knowledge of Rajyog, but are all the students alike? The students are indeed numberwise, so, many religions are established. The students who study accurately and their followers, themselves become helpers in the establishment of the Ancient Deity religion (Sanatan dharma).

The teacher is one, students are many and He teaches the same knowledge to everyone. It is not even so that He teaches someone separately. Then why do varieties of people come up? Arey, in a school, does everyone pass with same marks? The teacher is only one, then, does everyone pass equally? Does everyone pass with first class (marks)? No, they don’t. Similarly, different religions are established automatically here. The knowledge is for everyone indeed. There will not be even a single (soul) who will go (to the Supreme Abode) without considering himself to be a soul. Everyone will take at least the basic knowledge. What? That I a soul am a point, the Father of us souls, Shiv the point of light is also a point. The souls of other religions too will go (back) only after they understand this fact. Everyone will not grasp the deep knowledge; and they will not recognize the Father either. People of other religions are not at all able to recognize what I am, how I am and in whichever form I am playing My part.

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Student: The bhatti that will take place in Mt. Abu and only four and a half lakh souls (450 thousand) will keep visiting that gathering.....They will come and then return to the (outer) world. It pertains to which time? Is it about the time after the revelation of the Confluence Age Krishna or can it take place before that?
Baba: Will the gates of the abode of peace (Shantidham) and the abode of happiness (Sukhdham) open at the same time or one after the other?
Student: At the same time.
Baba: When the gates of the abode of peace and the abode of happiness open at the same time, will the Confluence Age Krishna not be revealed?
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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 15 Nov 2009

VCD No. 886, Audio Cassette No. 1372, Dt. – 13.2.08
Kalaimagal Nagar Discussion
Extracts-Part-2


Student: When Brahma Baba was alive, earlier few people used to understand. Then, now....more people understand. When revelation takes place, everyone in the world will understand. Similarly, in future, the same thing will happen with Prajapita. But when Vaishnavi Devi comes, how many people will understand? Will just 9 lakh (900 thousand) souls of the Golden Confluence Age (Sangamyugi Satyug) understand or will everyone understand?
Baba: Among the 9 lakhs, four and a half lakhs (450 thousand) are subtle bodied ones. There is no question of their understanding or not at all. As regards the remaining four and a half lakhs, they are connected to different religions too. They are indeed not the seeds of one religion. Will the seeds of the other religions take complete 84 births? Although they will come in the first birth, they take birth in the last; 100- 125 years were reduced; so, will they be said to firmly belong to the Ancient Deity religion (Devi Devta Sanatan dharm)? No. They took 84 births just for name sake. A difference is made.
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Student: Now they are building a house at Kampil (a village in Uttar Pradesh) for organizing bhatti. But we know now that there are just 30 or 40 years left for destruction.
Baba: How is it that 40 years are left?
Student: The building that is being built is being built strongly with bricks etc. It can be made temporary (structure), can’t it? Just as they do in Japan temporarily using plywood etc. We can do it in this way, can’t we?
Baba: Yes, we can also build with grass, etc. We can build huts with dry grass. We can build it, can’t we? But the land is very costly. In order to raise huts, an extensive land is required whereas, tobacco is cultivated in Kampil. The rates of land have raised very much as well. So, is it beneficial to raise many floors on the available land or is it profitable to buy extensive lands?
Student: (It is beneficial) To build multistorey.
Baba: There is benefit in raising multistorey, isn’t it? So, we should take advantage of the benefits.
Student: Bhatti will continue (to be organized) there. What is the reason for building there?
Baba: Every place has its own effect of the tapasya (penance) performed. The tapasya that took place in Mount Abu was as per the basic knowledge, but from the beginning till now, whether it is those who follow the basic knowledge or those who follow the advance knowledge; the intellect of everyone has been connected with Mount Abu, hasn’t it? That will indeed become Mahamadhuban (the biggest Madhban). But as regards the statement: BapDada will come wherever you build a mini-Madhubans. So, among the mini-Madhubans also there will be a mini-Madhubans where there is an effect of journey of remembrance especially and (remembrance) of a true (satwik) stage, won’t there? Is there not a difference between the tapasya that is taking place at Mt. Abu at present and the tapasya that took place at the time when Brahma Baba was alive? There is a lot of difference. Similar is the case with the advance (party) too. .............(to be continued)
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Post by arjun » 16 Nov 2009

VCD No. 886, Audio Cassette No. 1372, Dt. – 13.2.08
Kalaimagal Nagar Discussion
Extracts-Part- 3


Student: It has been said in the Murli that Ahmedabad as well as Delhi are two special places.
Baba: It has indeed been said for Delhi that , Delhi becomes paristan (an abode of fairies), Delhi becomes kabristan (graveyard). Delhi is the capital of heaven as well as the capital of hell. Delhi is such a city which makes an influence on the entire world. Delhi is the only city which has been ruled by people of all the religions. People of all the religions came and made it their capital. Delhi is like the mother of the whole world, she (the unlimited Delhi) is Jagdamba. So, where does Jagdamba also originate from? She originates from Delhi only. When Delhi’s climate becomes bad, the climate of entire India (Bharat) becomes bad. When Delhi’s climate improves, then the climate of entire India improves. That is why the entire responsibility is on Delhi. This is why it has been said , Everyone becomes sinful (patit) when one becomes sinful. When one becomes pure, everyone becomes pure. As the king so shall be the subjects.
Student: When you speak of ‘one’, Prajapita has indeed become pure, but everyone does not follow him. Why do they [follow] the mother?
Baba: He is in fact Shiv, isn’t He? Shiv has certainly entered in Prajapita, hasn’t He? His case is completely different. Have mothers experienced more downfall or have men experienced more downfall in the society, in the world, in all the countries? So, the one who have undergone the stage of descent more, she herself has to rise up more. Men are not so sorrowful, mothers are more distressed. So, when they suffer more sorrow, should they not experience more happiness? This is why Jagdamba is like a seed. She is the mother of all mothers. She goes to Ravan’s jail more than everyone else as well as she experiences the maximum happiness in the kingdom of Ram. Who is Jagdamba?
Student: Brahma.
Baba: Yes. Actually, this Brahma is your Jagdamba, but the body is of a male. This is why virgins and mothers cannot be kept under the charge of this one. Om Radhey was made instrumental. Now the same soul of Brahma, who played the highest role of tolerance in the form of a mother enters in a female body and is revealed in the world in the form of Jagdamba. Brahma with beard and moustache is not worshipped. His name was also Brahma. Brahm means senior; and ‘ma’ means mother, i.e. the senior mother, and his name is also Jagdamba, the Mother of the entire world. The meaning is one and the same.

The soul of Jagdamba’s body is different and the soul who enters in her and plays the role of Jagdamba, the soul who destroys the demons, is different. It is Brahma. This is why everything depends on one soul. Who? Dada Lekhraj Brahma. When that one becomes sinful everyone becomes sinful and when that one becomes pure, everyone becomes pure. If it fits in the intellect of one properly, then it will fit in the intellect of everyone. ‘Who the God of the Gita is’, this has not fitted in the intellect of one, so, it will not fit in the intellect of the (soul of) body of Jagdamba either. As regards ShivBaba’s part, the issue is indeed different. He does not develop doubtful intellect at all.

Student: Vaishnavi Devi is anyway pure for 84 births.
Baba: She will not be said to be pure in 84 births. After reaching the last birth, is she coloured by the company of vision or not?
Student: She is. It will be said: 83 [births]. But, she will be female in one birth and male in the other birth. When she becomes a male she will be like Duryodhan and Dushasan. Then she will certainly commit sins, will she not? She cannot be pure.
Baba: Certainly, when she takes male births, she will become Duryodhan-Dushasan. So, she indeed accumulates sins in that birth as well. The soul is certainly covered by the rust of vices.
Student: Why is it said that Vaishnavi Devi is a Devi (female deity) of purity? Baba: The purity that she imbibes among the other 500-700 crore (5-7 billion) souls, no soul will have the sanskars of purity to that extent.
Student: Baba, it has been said that with the birth of Confluence Age Krishna the abode of happiness (Sukhdham) and the abode of peace (Shantidham) will be established, hasn’t it?
Baba: Hum.
Student: So, when the abode of happiness is established, destruction of the abode of sorrow (dukhdham) has to take at the place where the small gathering is located, hasn’t it ?
Baba: Where there is an abode of happiness, the abode of sorrow is not there. Where there is an abode of sorrow, there is not an abode of happiness. Where there is a sinful world, not even a single person is pure there. Where there is a pure world, not even a single person is sinful there. This gathering of Brahmins will become such that not even a single vicious, sinful person will be able to enter it.
Student: So, at the place where the abode of happiness will be established, at that time the abode of sorrow would have been destroyed at that place, wouldn’t it?Baba: Arey! You are speaking of the same thing again. Where there is a world of happiness, there will be extreme brightness and only brightness in that world of happiness and where there is a world of sorrow there is extreme darkness and only darkness. There is no name and trace of knowledge. Where there is Bhakti (devotion), there is no knowledge. Where there is knowledge, there is no Bhakti. Bhaktimarg will be totally ‘down’ (murdabaad).Then it will be called an abode of happiness. For example, when it is afternoon time, there is brightness and only brightness . When it is midnight there is darkness and only darkness....(to be continued)
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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 17 Nov 2009

VCD No. 886, Audio Cassette No. 1372, Dt. – 13.2.08
Kalaimagal Nagar Disscussion
Extracts-Part-4


Student: The abode of happiness, the gathering at Delhi.
Baba: The place of the abode of happiness is on the banks of (river) Yamuna. Then the place of the abode of sorrow will also be on the same banks of Yamuna.
Student: So Baba, Delhi becomes a graveyard (kabristan) and an abode of fairies (paristan) – this pertains to which period?
Baba: [It is about the time] when the revelation of the Father takes place. It is about that very time when ‘next to God is Krishna’ is revealed in the world, ‘next to God is Narayan’ is revealed in the world, when ‘next to God is Prajapita or Shankar is revealed in the world.
Student: As it was said, the civil war will begin in the world from 2018, will it begin from Delhi?
Baba: Will the war begin first or will the studies complete first? When the studies are over, the war will begin, and the war will commence, the destruction will take place only when the establishment has taken place. First establishment (will take place) and then destruction.
Student: Does establishment mean establishment of the gathering of eight (deities) or complete establishment?
Baba: Does anyone become complete suddenly? The foundation of the new world that will be laid, will it be of the gathering of the incomplete ones or of the complete ones? Whose foundation should be laid? Arey, should the foundation of the makers of complete special effort for the soul (purusharthi) be laid or should the foundation of the makers of incomplete special effort for the soul be laid? The foundation of the complete purusharthis should be laid. So, how many are complete? Only eight are such ones who do not suffer punishments. All the rest make incomplete purusharth (special effort for the soul) to some extent or the other because of which they suffer punishments. It has been said now in the Avyakt Vani .... BapDada has given the gift of the new world to you children, so, has it been given to all the lakhs (hundred thousands) of children who are following the path of knowledge? (BapDada asked:) You visit that new world, don’t you? He asked, didn’t He? So, did everyone obtain that gift? Everyone certainly cannot obtain it.
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Student: It is said in the Murli that Baba will take everyone at the same time.
Baba: It is correct.
Student: Then eight remain there (in the abode of happiness); and the others there…
Baba: They live (there) through the connection of their intellect (buddhiyog). They live in that stage through the connection of their intellect. It is not about the time when they leave the body and go. Everyone will leave the body and go only when Prajapita has seen every human being, every living being leave his body and go in the last. He is an all-round actor. Until then all the souls will wait in the Subtle Region. Nobody can return to the Supreme Abode (Paramdham).
Student: The eight deities must also have left their bodies.
Baba: Everyone is in a numberwise stage.
Student: So, after that, will the soul of the Father go to the supreme abode or will it continue (to live) here like this?
Baba: The Father will go first; is this not the rule that the one who goes to the supreme abode first will come to the abode of happiness first? Will the one who does not go into the stage of peace, does not achieve the stage of mukti (liberation) at all, does not achieve salvation (gati) at all; achieve true salvation (sadgati)? The one who attains salvation first, [the one who] attains liberation first; he will attain true salvation first. The one who goes to the abode of peace first will come to the abode of happiness first.
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Student: Baba, about the deities who exist in the Golden Age and the Silver Age… it is all right; the deities and subjects who come after that….; you used to say that those deities will make special effort for the soul (purusharth) in the Copper Age and the Iron Age….........
Baba: Will they do purusharth after the Silver Age?
Student: No, you used to say that the deities in the Iron Age and the Copper Age…........
Baba: They are not deities, they are deity souls.
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Student: What is the difference between the deity souls and subjects?
Baba: The difference is that the souls coming from above will enter only in (the bodies of) the deity souls. In the 33 crore (330 million) deities who are praised, souls of other religions keep entering from time to time and keep converting them into other religions. This is why only the Hindus have always converted to become vidharmis (those who have inculcations opposite to that said by the Father), and have gone to other religions. Souls of other religions never converted to become Hindus. When God has to come in this world in the last, the drama reaches such a point that people belonging to all the religions find a place in Aryasamaj. Aryasamajis give an open invitation: Any person belonging to any religion can come and become a Hindu.
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Student: The 23 crore (230 million) (souls) are no doubt the deity souls, but why can’t they come in the Golden Age and Silver Age? Why do they come only in the Copper Age and Iron Age?
Baba: They experience number one happiness of the fourth category. Those who come in the Golden Age experience happiness of the first category. Those who come in the Silver Age experience happiness of the second category, but the souls belonging to the Deity religion, sanaatan dharma (Ancient Deity religion) who come in the Copper Age experience happiness of the third category, they experience highest happiness (of the third category). Even today there are such families in India in which no member of the family can cut (i.e. oppose) whatever has been said by the head of the family.There is so much unity. There is such (unity with) one religion, one kingdom, one language, one opinion, but such families are almost disappearing. This Ancient Deity religion almost disappears. It is not possible that it disappears completely.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.

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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 18 Nov 2009

VCD No. 886, Audio Cassette No. 1372, Dt. – 13.2.08
Kalaimagal Nagar Discussion
Extracts-Part-5


Student: Baba you said that the one who will go to the abode of peace first will come to the abode of happiness first? So, it has also been said - Nobody will see the Father leaving his body.
Baba: Do you have any doubt? If anyone sees him leaving the body, then how will it be praised in the world, He is everybody’s Father; He is immortal; He is the lord of the immortal ones (Amarnath). He does not take birth or die. It is indeed an unlimited issue . He does not take birth in the form of having faith again and again and does not die in the form of having doubt again and again either.
Student: So, does that soul not leave its body and go to the supreme abode at all?
Baba: Why not? He dies after killing everyone (in an unlimited sense).
Student: So Baba, he goes in the end, doesn’t he?
Baba: Yes, yes. He goes in the end and goes ahead of everyone. When there is a race, some runners are so clever that initially they keep running slowly, and then in the last phase of the race, they gallop ahead of others. Have you seen like this or not? Yes, it happens like this.
Student: From the very beginning the souls keep going to the Supreme Abode leaving their bodies.
Baba: They do not go to the Supreme Abode from the very beginning.
Student: From the very beginning of the destruction.
Baba: All of them wait in the Subtle Region. They will wait there until Prajapita comes (there).
Student: So, the Subtle Region will exist till that time.
Baba: Yes, yes.
Student: Because it has been said that the Subtle Region does not exist at all.
Baba: ‘Subtle Region does not exist at all’ means it is a subtle stage of the soul. It is not a bodily form.
Student: The subtle body.
Baba: Yes. A body of light. For example, a soul travels from one place to another in dreams. So, does the physical body also go (with the subtle body)? Does it go? The physical body does not go indeed.
Student: But the soul cannot go with that body either, can it?
Baba: With which body? It cannot go along with the physical body.
Student: The body that is sleeping.
Baba: It cannot go along with the physical body.
Student: So, what does it mean by ‘it goes with the subtle body’?
Baba: Yes, the subtle body can go anywhere. It can go anywhere in a second and come back.
Student: Is it the subtle body or the thought of our mind?
Baba: The mind and intellect itself is called a soul.
Student: Baba, dream too is the thought, isn’t it?
Baba: The mind and intellect itself is called a soul.
Student: As regards dreams, it is just our own thoughts that we see in the dreams, isn’t it?
Baba: One is conscious mind and one is unconscious mind. Now we are sitting with a conscious mind in a conscious stage. When we are asleep, there is a median stage where the unconscious mind starts wandering everywhere in the world.
Student: Soul.
Baba: The soul itself is called mind. Even in the conscious stage, we experience such a stage. When sometimes we are in deep thinking and churning, the eyes remain open and we reach somewhere else (by thoughts); someone passes before our eyes and we are not at all aware , who passed in front of our eyes. Does it happen or not? It is a similar case.
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Student: 33 years of Shiv’s part are about to end now; He will become hidden now, will He not?
Baba: How will you know that Shiv’s part has ended, Shankar’s part has commenced?
(The brother said something.)
Baba: Has Brahma’s part ended?
Student: No. It continues in a hidden way.
Baba: In the beginning of the Yagya, there were all the three actors, i.e. Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar or not?
Student: They were present.
Baba: In their memory this flag is prepared. In memory of Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar this flag of three clothes has been prepared, there were these three cloth-like bodies in the beginning of the Yagya as well, were they not? Will those who were in the beginning be present till the end or not?
Student: They will certainly be present, but will they be in a secret form?
Baba: It is something to understand. What? For those who belong to the Shaiv community (those who believe in Shiv), there is no question of vanishing at all . Those who belong to other communities, those who are Brahma samajis will not be able to see (the Trimurti), they will not understand. Those who belong to the Vaishnavite community will see only Vishnu as the highest deity. Brahma Samajis will see only Brahma as the highest one. Those who belong to the Shaiv community will see only Shiv as the highest one. This is why the scriptures prepared in the path of devotion (Bhakti); whoever wrote ‘Shiv Mahapuran’, he has praised only Shiv in it everywhere. He has shown only Shiv to be the highest. The one who wrote Vishnu Mahapuran has shown only Vishnu as God and he belittled Shankar and other deities . For example, there are worshippers of Jagdamba. They are worshippers of Devis (female deities); they have put Devi at the highest position and have shown Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar at lower positions. Similar thing is going on here at present.

What has been said in the Avyakt Vani about Brahma, who is the deity of the lowest level? What has been said? Brahma’s part is fixed in the task of establishment till the end. He cannot play another part. Until the entire establishment has not taken place Brahma’s part will continue. If Brahma’s part is not being played, then how is there the praise of the thousand arms of Brahma? Thousand arms are still working. The controller exists, only then are the thousand arms functioning. If the controller does not exist at all, will the arms continue to function on their own? In the picture of Vishnu too there are four arms. Four arms mean some four helper souls. Will there be someone to control those four helper souls or not? Otherwise, cut off Vishnu’s head. Let the arms work on their own! Om Shanti. ......... (Concluded)
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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

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Disc.CD No.500, dated 26.1.08
Extracts-Part-1


Time: 5.25-7.40
Student: Why do only the virgins and mothers surrender, why not the brothers?

Baba: Brothers should consider themselves to be surrendered and they should live as the surrendered ones; (virgins and mothers surrender) because virgins and mothers need to take asylum in today’s world. Their bodies are delicate. Men do not need to take asylum at all. This is why if men wish, they can dedicate themselves for service. It is not prohibited. But if men (brothers) wish to surrender and live (in the ashram), then how will the sisters and mothers be fostered ? It has been said in the Murli , virgins and mothers don’t have to make strenuous efforts for filling their stomachs. Men should make strenuous efforts (for earning food). The men will not be affected by living in contact and connection with the outside world . Mothers and virgins are indeed affected . This is why they receive shelter [here]. Brothers need not take shelter. If brothers wish that they should live in shelter, then will they become kings? The one who cannot take up his own responsibility then the issue of their becoming kings ends.
Student: Virgins and mothers also have to become kings, although....
Baba: It has been said for the virgins and mothers that…...... what should they change into from a woman? It has not been said that they have to change from a woman to Narayan. What has been said? You have to change from a woman to Lakshmi. However, on whom is Lakshmi dependant? She is dependant on Narayan.
Student: Baba, it is about the Confluence Age.
Baba: It is indeed about the Confluence Age . We are making special effort for the soul (purusharth) in the Confluence Age only.

Time: 8.45-13.45
Student: If one member of a family comes in the path of knowledge, then, if not today, tomorrow the entire family will certainly come in the (path of) knowledge. They will recognize the Father, accept Him; then will they become firm seed-form souls or not? Baba, what constitutes a family? Does it refer to the blood relatives? Or, in the lokik world, at our workplace, if someone is very close to us, is affable to us, accepts us, knows us, considers us to be very much like his relative, considers himself to be like a member of the spiritual family, then, will he be included in our family or not? Will only the blood relatives constitute a family or will they (i.e. persons close to us) also be said to be members of our family?

Baba: Family means those who are in blood connection. If there are 8 brothers in a family, if there is a paternal uncle (chacha), if there are parents, then they all are part of the family. This is why all the members of the family will follow the knowledge (in the end). Why will they follow? They will follow because whatever advance knowledge we hear, the members of our family also listen to it, although they do not accept it. In spite of listening, they accept us. They do not throw us out of the family and what do the numerous souls belonging to the other religions among the so-called Brahmins do? They throw us out. They do not accept us at all. This is why they, the members of our family will come (in the knowledge). When the sound spreads, then they will feel attracted and they ( who threw us out) will not come.
Student: I mean to say , despite making special effort for the soul for such long time, we are unable to become constant in the seed-form stage . Then, how far will those people inculcate and become seed-form souls when they come in the end?
Baba: Have they at least heard everything? Are they now listening or not? They are not opposing to the extent that they drive you away from home. Even so, they have given (you) place in their heart, haven’t they? So, they will receive the return for this in a sense that although they will not become a part of the royal family because they have not learnt Rajyog, they have not practiced (Rajyog), they will certainly come in the subjects’ category and subjects emerge in large numbers.
Student: It means our family will also definitely attain the seed-form stage of the entire tree, yet we cannot say that they will also come in the royal family.
Baba: Only those people, who have practiced Rajyog, will come in the royal family. Those who have received just the message, those who have not studied the knowledge (will not come in the royal family).
Student: Baba, the issue of family is different. What will be the condition of those who speak to us closely, of those who dedicate themselves to us throughout the day at our workplace, at our place of residence in the lokik world? What kind of a part will those people play? As per the karmic accounts of 63 births they meet us in our shooting period and accept our versions, they are also listening to Baba’s knowledge, but they do not understand it deeply. Then, what will the condition of such people be? While living with us those people too accept the knowledge, they are accepting our versions, knowing us, also accepting our Baba, but they are not entering the path of knowledge; I mean , whether those people will certainly come (in the path of knowledge) or not?

Baba: The more they do purusharth, the more attainments they will achieve. They just listened but continued to oppose. Then how can they achieve a high post? Yes, in the end when the sound will spread, they will bow their heads (and say) these people have turned out to be the true ones. That is why it is possible that many among them will come (to the path of knowledge) as well. So, there is no harm in giving message. Whoever it may be, you should continue to give message. Subjects emerge on just giving message and subjects emerge in large numbers. Those who come in the royal family will be very few and those who come in the subjects’ category will be numerous…...(to be continued)
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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 27 Nov 2009

Disc.CD No.500, dated 26.1.08
Extracts-Part-2


Time: 18.20-20.25
Student: Baba has said that nobody can reform without someone becoming his mother guru (for them). Then Shankarji is also a male. Who is the senior most mother to change his intellect, to teach him, to reform him, to transform him?

Baba: Who becomes Lakshmi?
Student: The junior mother (choti ma), Mother India becomes (Lakshmi).
Baba: So, the Mother India who becomes Lakshmi, who becomes true Gita, becomes guru as well. If the guru is best, highest, will he make us attain good attainments or will he make us attain low attainments? He will make us attain good attainments.
Student: But it has been shown in the pictures in temples that Mahakali (a goddess) came and pressed the stomach-like intellect of Shankar (with her feet).
Baba: Mahakali did not press the stomach-like intellect. She placed her feet on the chest (of Shankar), i.e. she humiliated him. She did not press his stomach.
Student: No transformation was brought about by Mahakali, transformation took place only through Lakshmi.
Baba: Only the parivartan shakti (power of transformation) will transform, will she not? There are three kinds of groups in the Advance Party. One is the planning party, one is the inspiriting party and one is the practical party. So, only the practical party will bring about transformation and something happens in practical only through purity. The more someone has purity, the more things will take place in practical automatically because purity leads to unity automatically. That is why it has been said that one queen of honeybees emerges and the entire swarm follows her.

Time: 22.28-23.06
Student: Baba what is the supreme abode in physical sense?

Baba: The supreme abode in a physical sense means that the body should exist as well as the supreme abode like stage should remain constant. How should be the stage of the mind and intellect while the body is alive? Incorporeal, viceless, egoless. There should not be any ego of the body, there should not be any vice in any of the organs of action of the body, and the organs of action should be cool. That very stage is a stage of the supreme abode.

Time: 23.08-25.55
Student: What is the definition of trueness (satwikta) and non-violence?

Baba: Trueness and non-violence is one and the same. There will be non-violence only if there is trueness. The more there are degraded qualities (tamasi tatva), the more there will be violence definitely.
Student: And does killing of mice and mosquitoes constitute violence or....
Baba: There is a big sin and there is a small sin. There is a big noble act (punya) and there is a small noble act. Do the mosquitoes, flies, microbes, (i.e.) their souls have the power to understand knowledge? They do not have. And what about the human beings? They have the power to understand the knowledge. So, if a human being was saved, he has a soul and if a mosquito was saved; will both acts reap equal merits? No. This is why in order to save the humankind….. because they (human beings) are closer to the Supreme Soul Father. Are the human souls closer to the Supreme Soul or are the (souls of) worms, animals, birds, moths, insects and spiders closer (to Him)? Human beings are closer. So, in order to save human beings, even if it is required to kill the worms, animals, birds, moths, will it accumulate more merits or will it make us stained by sins more? It will cause accumulation of more merits.
Student: Baba because trueness is also an issue of feelings , isn’t it?
Baba: What feelings? This is also a feeling , will those who are closer to God, those who can recognize God more bring benefit more or will those who are very far away from Him through their connection of the intellect (buddhiyog) bring more benefit to the world? Who is more valuable? The ones who are more valuable will have to be saved first.

Time: 29.40-31.40
Student: Were the versions (Vani) of Piu powerful or was the Murli powerful?

Baba: Old is gold.
Student: Baba, then it should not have been said that there was not so much knowledge (in the beginning).
Baba: There wasn’t (much) knowledge; (because) was the knowledge clear at that time? Was the original introduction, the basic introduction of the soul and the Supreme Soul available at that time? They used to remember the ling; they used to remember the ball of red light. So, the knowledge was certainly incomplete at that time, was it not? And (regarding the statement) ‘we should not say that there was not so much knowledge in the beginning’....Arey! This has been said in the Murli. Can we say about the versions of Murli : no, this should not be told like this?
Student: Baba, its proof has not yet been found either.
Baba: If something has not been found, does it mean that it is only possible that the thing does not exist at all? (Student: It exists.) Yes, it has not been found so far; it will be found in the future.
Student: Did Sevakram, who is called the yagyapita (Father of the Yagya), who is called Prajapita die a natural death or was he murdered?

Baba: (It has been said in the Murlis that) There is nothing in the world that cannot be applied to you. If that (Prajapita’s) soul does not experience such death, then how will the other souls of the world experience it? Everything is contained in that seed. The best and the worst (both) are contained in it.

Time: 38.52-39.40
Student: Baba, what is meant by ‘BapDada’s personal meeting with the children in gatherings?

Baba: The Father meets personally in a public gathering as well. It means that the potamail of each one is available with the Father, isn’t it? So, the Father tells about some such secret issue on the basis of someone’s potamail that only that person realizes it, understands it and others do not understand it at all. So, it is like a personal meeting in public.

Time: 40.46-42.30
Student: It is said , I will make them take on a body and give them punishment and then take them along (with Me). So, Baba, does the soul that enter, enter with a subtle body and give punishment or will it enter in a soul-form and give punishment?

Baba: The Aulias ( tantriks) capture the souls that enter. They do not allow them (the souls) to go out of the body and then they admonish them. So, they make them realize while being in a body, don’t they? Similarly, the punishments of Dharmaraj are also similar. Although someone has a subtle body, it can come out (of the body) whenever it wants and enter (the body) whenever it wants, but when they receive the punishment, then that soul will also feel. The feeling of punishments will be through a body only.
Student: Baba, it has been said about Christ that the body receives the punishment and not the soul. So, why is the same not applicable here?

Baba: That soul was a satopradhan (consisting mainly in the quality of goodness and purity) soul. A satopradhan soul does not receive punishment. Here it is an issue about the punishment for the tamopradhan (dominated by the quality of darkness or ignorance) souls. It was the first birth of Christ and the souls that will experience punishments now are in their final birth. They are degraded (tamasi) souls.

Time: 1.06.20-1.06.48
Student: Baba, how do they (the deities) leave their bodies in the Golden Age?

Baba: There, they come to know it before automatically , now we have to leave the body. They go to the seacoast. As soon as they leave the body, a wave of the ocean comes and carries the body away. ............(concluded)
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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 28 Nov 2009

Disc.CD No.501, dated 27.01.08 at Bombay
Extracts-Part-1


Time: 47.07-47.47
Student: Men do not get their hairs trimmed in Sikhism. They keep long hairs like women.

Baba: Yes, in order to face the vicious ones, will you have to remain vicious till the end or will it be OK if you become vice less? Have the Hindus faced the Christians [and] Muslims more or have the Sikhs faced them more? Who has made more sacrifices? The Sikhs. The very meaning of hair is.... who has hairs? Do the vicious ones have (hairs) or do the vice less ones have (hairs)? The vicious ones (have hairs).

Time: 47.50-51.45
Student: Baba, a topic was mentioned in a Murli , whatever we obtain without asking for it, is like milk, whatever we ask for is water; So, these sanskars are being recorded now here in the Confluence Age. So, when are these sanskars recorded so that when a soul reaches the Copper Age and Iron Age of the drama, how do the sankars of asking for emerge in it?

Baba: Look, this is the direction received. What? What direction of God have we received? It is better to die than to seek. It has not been said , it is better to die than to snatch. The one who takes by snatching accumulate more sins. Does he accumulate (more sins) or not? Does the one who steals, the one who commits burglary accumulate more sins or does the one who seeks accumulate more sins? The one who steals and commits burglary accumulates more sins because he also became violent and the seeker did not become violent, but he killed his own soul. How did he kill? The respect of his clan is lost. Here the Father has come to teach us to make special effort for the soul (purusharth). What kind of purusharth? It is better to die than to beg. You have to become such purusharthi (maker of special effort for the soul) that there should not be any need to seek from anyone. You should not seek either for yourself or for the benefit of the world. You should not do Bhakti (devotion) by begging or establish the capital by begging. You establish the capital for yourself through your own purusharth.
Student: Is the same thing applied to the wealth of knowledge as well?
Baba: Does the wealth of knowledge belong to any giver? Is there any visible (vyakta) man, any person who is the giver of knowledge? Is there anyone? Who is the giver of knowledge? (Student: ShivBaba.) Then?
Student: But those sanskars(of begging) that emerges in the Copper Age and the Iron Age....
Baba: For that also, it has been said (to another brother - let me reply to his question now) (It has been said in the Murlis ) Muslims will beg in the end. The Muslims who have rejected the knowledge now....those who belong to the Advance Party are being rejected, are they not? By whom? They are being rejected by the Islamic people (among the Brahmins). They will have to give return for it in the future. What? They will beg for the knowledge (saying:) narrate some words to us too. Why did it happen like this? Hum? They should not beg even for that because , does ShivBaba come and give on His own or does He give on being begged by children? Prajapita gives the answers to the questions. What? Children obtain (the answers) forcibly and the Father gives it. But does ShivBaba give (answers) on His own or does He give on being begged ? ShivBaba certainly gives Himself. Did we children know anything earlier? Did we know? He gave everything through Brahma ........(to be continued).
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.

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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 30 Nov 2009

Disc.CD No.501, dated 27.01.08 at Bombay
Extracts-Part-2


Time: 55.22-56.25
Student: Baba, five things have been mentioned as to be taken care of in Sikhism. Hairs, dagger, bangle; which aspect of knowledge have they grasped in a gross form?

Baba: As regards the karaa (wristlet), they have grasped the strict (karak) rule of purity. Although they have not adopted the purity of the complete stage, but the karaa of ek naari sada brahmachari (the one who weds only once and remains faithful) . This is also a strict rule, isn’t it? This is why they became powerful. And?
Student: Kameez (shirt).
Baba: What Kameez?
Student: Kameez (shirt) is one of them. Kameez is also included among the five things.
Baba: Kangha (comb).
Student: Kangha?
Baba: Yes, kangha means to comb the hairs at intervals. It should not happen that they become entwined. If the hair locks of the knowledge are entangled, it will cause trouble, will it not?

Time: 56.30-57.35
Student: It is said that ‘raaj karega khaalsa’ (the pure one will rule) ; but if the mothers rule, then this shooting will take place here, will it not? If Jagdamba rules, then Jagdamba performs that shooting here, doesn’t she? Meaning, everyone will have to live under her.

Baba: Raaj karega khaalsa.
Student: Yes, when Jagdamba and her helpers rule, everyone will have to live under their control.
Baba: Why will everyone have to live under their control? Will the Suryavanshis (those belonging to the Sun dynasty) live under their control? Will those who are conquerors over nature (prakritijeet), those who have already gained victory over nature remain under the control of the (mother) nature? Arey! When they have not remained under the control of Maya herself, then, even if Maya joins hands with the nature, those who are the conquerors of nature will never come under the control (of nature). Forget about it.
Student: Baba, then how will Jagdamba rule?
Baba: She will rule over the entire rest of the world; that is all. Nobody rules to the extent that she will rule. Even then, whose wife will she be called? (Someone said – of Prajapita.)

Time: 1.04.10
Student: Baba, it has been said in the Murli that the biggest sin is to consider the unlimited Father as sinful (patit), as the vicious one (vikari).

Baba: Yes.
Student: He will consider both the unlimited fathers as vicious. Baba, even if he considers one to be sinful and the other to be pure, it will be considered to be a sin, will it not be? He will consider one to be sinful and the other to be pure....
Baba: Who will consider it?
Student: The one who has such a negative view.
Baba: Who will consider so? Who will create this difference? The vidharmi (those who have inculcations opposite to that said by the Father) souls have been creating differences here (in shooting) as well as for 63 births they have been creating difference there . They are the souls who create difference (between the the corporeal form and the incorporeal). In our Indian tradition, it has been considered from the very beginning, ‘saguneh aguneh nahi kuchh bheda, ubhay harey bhav sambhav kheda’ (there is no difference between the corporeal and the incorporeal forms of God...). Is He the incorporeal one or the corporeal one; this is the corporeal one; this is the incorporeal one; to create this difference (of opinion) is the work of those with an intellect of making differences. We certainly have to remember the incorporeal One within the corporeal one. Ours is a path of household (pravritti marg). The souls belonging to the path of renunciation (nivritti marg) will see them separately and for those who belong to the path of household the one who is corporeal is himself the incorporeal one. The incorporeal one is Himself the corporeal one. A soul cannot work without the body and the body cannot work without the soul. For those who do not believe in God at all, whether it is Krishna, whether it is Ram, whether it is God Shankar, whether it is Shiv; they do not have any value (for them). (But) yes, even those who belong to atheism (naastik dharm) will accept God that God is something. It is not we, but only God is important. (concluded)
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.

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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 01 Dec 2009

Disc.CD No.502, dated 31.01.08 at Tirupati
Extracts-Part-1


Time: 4.41-12.40
Student: Mothers wear black clothes in Islam, don’t they?

Baba: Yes. The mothers belonging to Islam wear black clothes. Brothers do not wear black clothes. Mostly all the Arabians (people of Arab country) that we see (i.e) the Muslims that we see wear white clothes; they tie white turbans, but what about the womenfolk? They wear black clothes. In our Ancient Deity Religion, in the memorials that exist in the path of Bhakti (devotion), is there any devi (female deity) who is shown to be only dark? Her name is Mahakali. What kind of clothes is she shown to be wearing? She is shown to be wearing black clothes. Other devis are not shown (to be wearing dark clothes). As such, there are nine devis especially, but eight devis are not shown to be wearing such black clothes. There is one devi who is shown as black in the form of Mahakali.

How many religions are there?
(Student – nine religions.) There are nine religions, which achieve attainments from God. Among those nine religions, does the form of Mahakali achieve attainments or not? She does achieve attainments. She achieves attainments, but she followed the Muslim religion. What? She has performed such dark actions….She did believe God, but then she has performed some such dark actions on the basis of which the lowly castes like bhangis (name of a community of sweepers), chamars (leather-workers), thieves, dacoits worship her more.

Even today, majority of terrorists are from which religion? People of which religion are more like terrorist? Mostly people of which religion are involved in stealing, murders in the world? Who are the terrorists? Those belonging to the Muslim religion. So, that devi emerges from Muslim religion only. She is not a Muslim, but she is the soul who converts into Muslim religion from the Copper Age. She goes to the Muslim religion. This is the special part of the one who wears black clothes. This is why she is called Maya, Maya Ravan.

(She thinks) Nobody should see our face. What? People say, ‘his face has become black’, don’t they? So, will a person who has a black face, hide his face or show it? He will hide it. It means that the part of Mahakali is some such soul who is indeed a seed in the Advance Party, but she is a seed of Islam. She does establish a relationship with God, but she establishes an illusive (mayavi) relationship. She does not establish a true relationship. There is a relationship with God as well as others. The foundation itself is like this. So, will such a relationship continue with God for a longer time or not? It will not be maintained. So, that form of Mahakali has been shown.

In her memorial a river has been shown in India . It is called river Yamuna. What? A dark river. There are two rivers in contrast with each other. One is river Ganga (the river Ganges) and the other is river Yamuna. River Yamuna’s water becomes black and what about the river Ganga? Its water remains clean until the end. It is said that a snake used to live in the dark river Yamuna. This is why…. because of that snake named Kaliya naag the entire water of river Yamuna became poisonous. Whoever used to drink that water used to die, whether it was an animal or a human being. It is about when?

In the Confluence Age world of Brahmins, when the Advance Party started, then first of all that river Yamuna emerges. She makes a connection with God as well as others. What was its result? Her own part became black. How does her water of knowledge become? (It becomes) Poisonous. All the small children who emerge in knowledge and drink that water of knowledge develop a doubtful intellect (for God). A doubtful intellect means, the small children, who were born just now (in knowledge) who developed faith on God the Father ....and as soon as they drink that poisonous water, as soon as they drink that (poisonous) water of knowledge they lose faith on God. If they lose faith on God, will they become helpers of God or opponents of God? They become opponents.

Those who were helpers of God earlier, those who used to remain as the helping arms were cut off and that (soul who plays the part of the) black river, covered her waist with them. She indeed saved her honour by causing defamation. When those helper children lose faith, what do they do? Will they defame God or will they praise Him? They defame God. So, by defaming God, the honour of her waist is indeed saved, but the issue of God becoming incognito keeps spreading in the world. Even if people want to develop faith, they are not able to develop faith.


Student: The mud of river Yamuna also sticks.
Baba: Yes, the mud of body consciousness (of river Yamuna) is sticky. Whoever comes near (her) will stick (attach) to her but howevermuch you apply the mud of river Ganga (on your body), as soon as you take a plunge (in the river) the entire mud will be washed away. It means that the river Ganga has such pure knowledge, of a true (satwik) stage that whoever takes a plunge in that river, however much he may come close, but river Ganga does not become attached to him/her. The mud of body consciousness does not stick to her and what about the mud of river Yamuna? It sticks. What is meant by mud? Body consciousness .....(to be continued)
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.

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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 02 Dec 2009

Disc.CD No.502, Dated 28.01.08 at Jayanagar
Extracts-Part-2


Time: 1.03-3.28
Student: Just now it was mentioned in the Murli, we should not ask questions to the Father.

Baba: Yes.
Student: Why?
Baba: Then why do you ask?
Student: Why is it so?
Baba: Why is it so? OK, tell me, do children of fathers in the world ever develop a doubt whether this person is my Father or not?
Student: No.
Baba: And here? Do they develop doubt or not over here? Speak.
Student: Maya.
Baba: Arey, So, when you develop doubt, it means that He is not your Father; so you will ask questions, will you not? When everyone develops doubt here, so, when everyone develops doubt, when you develop doubt, when He is not your Father, then you will also ask questions. If you have firm faith that this is the Father, then why will you ask questions? That is why it has been said , you should remember only one. Only one is Alaf (the first alphabet in Urdu language) who remains standing from the beginning to the end and all the rest keep developing a doubtful intellect. Maya does not leave anyone. If someone becomes silent thinking, I will not raise any question now; then will he not develop doubt by remaining silent?
Student: He will.
Baba: Even then he will develop the doubt.

Time: 3.40-5.40
Student: Baba, in today’s Murli it has been mentioned just now that the time from two to four is Amrit Vela(early morning hours).

Baba: But if you woke up from 2 A.M and you continued to feel sleepy and wasteful thoughts kept emerging in your mind, then what is the use? Then you will become practiced to be careless. So, from four O’clock to five O’Clock, till quarter to five, even if you remember for three quarter of an hour or half an hour, but if you remember accurately, then which sanskars will you develop? Will you develop sanskars of accuracy or sanskars of carelessness?
Student: You will develop sanskars of accuracy.
Baba: So, who will benefit more?
Student: But at that time a little (disturbance) happens.
Baba: What happens?
Student: Everyone wakes up and the environment starts to become spoilt. The environment is not good.
Baba: Is the environment not good at four O’clock?
Student: People start moving around.
Baba: Everyone doesn’t start moving around. The more degraded (tamasi) people in the world keep sleeping till eight O’clock. The vicious vibrations increase in the world till 12 (midnight) or 1 A.M. After that the vicious vibrations end. Even if ghosts and spirits enter in someone they create a lot of trouble till 12 (midnight) or 1 A.M. After that the atmosphere starts becoming cool. So, those ghosts and spirits also start becoming cool.

Time: 5.50-8.13
Student: Baba, ShivBaba has given the knowledge in the Murlis: we should not give sorrow to anyone. We should not take sorrow from anyone. When a virgin (kanya) surrenders to Baba, her entire family feels unhappy, does it not? Then how should we follow the Shrimat at that time?

Baba: If a husband seeks ‘lust’ and if the wife does not give ‘lust’, the husband feels sorrowful, doesn’t he?
Student: He does.
Baba: Then? Is the wife earning sins (paap) or is she earning charity (punya)?
Student: Charity.
Baba: How? The husband is feeling sorrowful. If anyone goes against the Shrimat, it will only increase sorrow. One is sorrow for a short period and the other is sorrow forever. Those virgins who surrendered and after surrendering, they became the children of the One Father; they have decided to follow the opinion of only the One Father and their intellect does not wander in the outside world (and) the members of the lokik home are feeling sorrowfulso, how long will they finally feel sorrowful? Will they continue to feel sorrowful till the end or will they also become happy?
Student: They will become happy.
Baba: When will they become happy? When the Father is revealed, then they will be many times happier than they are sorrowful now because the children have received the boon , all the members of your family will start following the knowledge in future. So, are they sorrowful because of ignorance or because of knowledge? Are they sorrowful because of attachment or are they sorrowful because they have conquered attachment? They are sorrowful because of attachment.........(to be continued)
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.

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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post by arjun » 03 Dec 2009

Disc.CD No.502, dated 28.01.08 at Jaynagar
Extracts-Part-3


Time: 10.31-14.47
Student: Baba, what is the difference between a guru and a sadguru?

Baba: Gurus are numerous because false ones are many and Sat means true; one is true. In this world is the entire world false or is it also true? Is there anyone 100 percent true? Then nobody can be the Sadguru at all. If anyone else has to be a Sadguru, he can be so only when the truth God the Father Himself enters in him. Then he can be true. Then it should be proved, the intellect should understand, it should fit in the intellect. (Thus) on the basis of understanding, if it is proved that God the Father is persent in him; so his role is of Sadguru. One is true and false ones are many.

So, gurus are many, but Sadguru is one. That is why the Sikhs praise – One Sadguru Akaalmoort. What? ‘Sadguru akaal’ means he cannot be devoured by kaal (i.e. death). And the ‘moort roop’ (personified form) is of the Sadguru. It means that he is not incorporeal. What? He has a personality. He is not without any form. He is not unmanifest (Avyakt). He comes in this world and assumes a corporeal form. Then he becomes the Sadguru. This is why Sadguru is said to be one. All the others are proved to be false and that ‘one’ is proved to be true. Gurus cause darkness and Sadguru brings light.

Since last 2500 years, when there was an increase in the number of gurus, the darkness of ignorance spread in the world. Everyone becomes sorrowful and stumbles in darkness. When the Sadguru comes, He brings light. Knowledge enters the intellect. With the light of knowledge, happiness increases in the soul. This is why there is a world of difference between a guru and the Sadguru. Sadguru comes only once. He comes only in this last birth. He comes only in the Confluence Age and what about the Gurus? They have continued to emerge for many births. There was an increase in the number of gurus in the Copper Age and the Iron Age. And what was its result? The world continued to experience downfall. This is a very big difference. Gurus make the world to experience downfall and the Sadguru makes the world to rise.


Time: 14.50-17.44
Student: Baba, a sentence has appeared in many Murlis, this one is not the giver of inheritance. That one is the giver of inheritance.

Baba: What?
Student: This one is not the giver of inheritance. That one is the giver of inheritance. It is mentioned in many Murlis. Although Brahma Baba listens (to Murlis) does he not come to know? Does only this come to his mind that ‘I myself narrate the Gita’?
Baba: When they say, ‘He is the giver of inheritance’, then it does not strike their intellect that someone is going to come in the future. For ‘that one’ they feel that ‘that one’ is in the Supreme abode. That point, God, He is in the Supreme abode. He is the giver of inheritance. Their intellect does not know that there is a personality in the future who is going to give the inheritance of happiness and peace.
Student: Has Brahma Baba still not come to know that the corporeal part (of ShivBaba) is going on?
Baba: When Brahma was alive in the year 68 or 67, did he know that (ShivBaba) is in corporeal form? Had he known that He is in corporeal form, why would he have kept the name of the institution as Brahmakumari Vidyalay? In the year 1966, 65 (Shiv)Baba Himself said through him in the Murli that the name Brahmakumari Vidyalay is wrong. The word ‘Prajapita’ should definitely be added. Despite that no Brahmakumar-kumari writes his/her name as Prajapita Brahmakumar (Kumari) till today because it has not fitted in the intellect of Brahma himself.
Student: Baba, that is alright, but, now after leaving the body, it enters in Prajapita, now he narrates points; he comes to know, but he never speaks (these points) in messages when he goes there.
Baba: Its reason is that when he is coloured by the company while entering (in Shankar) his intellect changes. Is there more power in the seed or in the non-living thing? (Someone said – in the seed). Brahma Baba is like an inert form, the root- soul. When he enters in the seed, then that (Brahma Baba) root also achieves power. Where does the root obtain its power from? It obtains (the power) from the seed. So, when he studies directly face to face, at that time his stage is something different, and when he goes far away, he is again coloured by the company of children. Then his stage becomes as it was earlier.

Time: 18.46-20.43
Student: Baba, what will be the first language in the beginning of the Copper Age?

Baba: The first language. At that time there is a mixed language. It means there is the language of gestures to some extent and speech also starts to some extent because speech is an indication of body consciousness. Until when are the words emerging? Until there is body consciousness in us, there is speech. When the body consciousness ends , you will not like to speak at all and the soul will automatically be filled with such power by remaining in the stage of the self that as soon as we see someone, and just by seeing him, he will catch the vibrations , what do we want to say (to him). There will not be any need for the person in front of us to speak and the observer will automatically understand. There will not be any need even to see through the eyes. Even while sitting far away, the one who lives in a soul conscious stage, can listen to the language of the other person who is in soul conscious stage (and is) sitting far away. He can understand him, and he can give a reply to him as well. There is no need for a mobile.
Student: Will they reply through gestures?
Baba: What else? Does it not happen like this here even now? Those whose hearts mingle with each other, understand each other’s words fast; others cannot understand. A heart relieves another heart.

Time: 30.13-31.45
Student: Baba, in the name of Lakshmi-Narayan, Lakshmi’s name comes first and Narayan’s name comes later on. Baba, why is it so? Why is it not Narayan-Lakshmi?

Baba: Are Lakshmi-Narayan forms of God (Bhagwaan) or the forms of deity?
Student: They are the forms of deity.
Baba: They are the forms of deity. Are Sita and Ram forms of Bhagwan or the forms of deity? They are the forms of deity. But are Shankar and Parvati forms of Bhagwan-Bhagwati (God-Goddess) or are they the forms of deity? They are the forms of Bhagwan-Bhagwati. It is a form higher than the deities. Between both of them, is Bhagwan greater or is Bhagwati greater?
Student: Bhagwan is greater.
Baba: So, should the name of the senior one be mentioned first or should the junior one’s name be mentioned first? Shankar’s name is first and Parvati’s name is later on. All the other names like Radha-Krishna, Sita-Ram, Lakshmi-Narayan…..............
Student: Brahma-Saraswati. Brahma’s name is mentioned first and Saraswati’s name is mentioned afterwards.
Baba: Yes ; so, Shiv entered Brahma, didn’t He? Or did Shiv enter in Saraswati? Shiv entered in Brahma. So, will Shiv be placed first or Saraswati be placed first?
Student: Shiv will be placed ahead.

Time: 31.50-32.35
Student: Baba, why does Brahma Baba come in Gulzar Dadi in the night? Why does he not come (in her) in the day time?

Baba: Is Brahma Baba the Moon or the Sun?
Everyone said – The Moon.
Baba: So, why does the Moon rise only in the night and why not in the day time? Does the Moon rise in the night or in the day? It emerges in the night. If the Moon emerges in the day time, then its light will not be visible at all. It will be faded. It will appear to be faded. That is why it is clever. When does it emerge? It emerges in the night............... (concluded)
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.

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