Hi ex-l, I agree maybe slavery is a bit too strong, maybe I should say that many are used and taken advantage of.ex-l wrote:Slavery is a very strong word. I would say what defines it is that the victim is powerless and sold into their situation, has become someone else's property. Can you substantiate that allegation?
I have to say that many peoples' experiences cannot really be substantiated because whilst we were are seeing, experiencing and going through those things, we were doing those things because we were either conditioned to do them or because we were told we were doing it all in the name of God (Baba), and we were all doing it in the name of good karma (actions). It's only now that some of us have taken a step back that we are able to have a clearer picture of what has been/is going on in this organisation.
Believe you and me, none of this is gossip. It's first hand experience. Unfortunately, there is no real evidence that many of us can present to the public as a lot of it is in the form of personal traumas that we are now having to live with as a result of what we have gone through
Again, with the property deals, believe me, this is no gossip either. It is going on as I've had first hand experience. However, I cannot provide the evidence as whilst it happened to me, I was a BK and I thought very highly of the organisation and the Seniors and just accepted everything. This was until a BK made off with my money, left town and I was left to pick up the pieces and a half finished job.
ex-l you've mentioned "I agree about the general randomness of principles, I was surprised recently to hear that one BK Sister in charge of children (outside of India) actually hit them. Other people's, not her own." Can you substantiate this or is this also gossip?
You see it's very very difficult to provide evidence for everything we're sharing on this forum because whilst many of these things happened to us we were a BK. We were so conditioned to believe and accept that all BKs are pure and that everyone should be following all the principles and codes of conduct etc.
But as mentioned before, I now realise that really there are only a handful of people who are genuine and really spiritual within the organisation. I would say that as the expansion has taken place within the organisation, as the numbers of it's members have increased, how can anyone really keep a tab on what is going on? Who keeps a tab on the Seniors when they have been given this position of being in charge?
No one really. I think that most people take the law into their own hands at the end of the day and do as they please whilst others who may be genuine bear the brunt of some of these ruthless people.
Whilst Madhuban and the BK organisation in general is a wonderful place to contemplate, reflect and explore the depths of spirituality; unfortunately for many of us, the negative experiences seem to override the positive ones which is why I believe this forum was set up.
Many of us were not being heard by the heads of the organisation or the SS and so the only outlet would be this kind of forum. If the organisation provided a space in which one could really express themselves, their opinions, their concerns, then I don't think anyone would have had the necessity to create a forum of like this.
Thanks to the admins for creating the forum. Believe me, it was the right thing.