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Recordings of Murli

Post by john » 26 Mar 2009

In a Biography of Om Radhe/Mama, it states that she used to read Murli three times a day and listen to recordings.
Does anyone know when the recordings were first started and how many are now available.
Obviously Mama would have read pre 1965 Murlis, which are now not available or not part of the 5 year revised series current in BKSWU circles.

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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by shivsena » 13 May 2009

john wrote:In a Biography of Om Radhe/Mama, it states that she used to read Murli three times a day and listen to recordings. Does anyone know when the recordings were first started and how many are now available.
Obviously Mama would have read pre 1965 Murlis, which are now not available or not part of the 5 year revised series current in BKSWU circles.
There were no Murlis of Shiva before 1965; there were only classes of Mama Saraswati which are now available in booklet form; arjun Bhai claims of only 2 hand wirtten Murlis before 1965; i have yet to see any Murli or recording before 1965; so when there were no Murlis spoken by Shiva before 1965, then how did she read and listen to the recordings !!!...this point has yet to be clarified; If she was titled Gyan ki devi Saraswati (goddess of knowledge) then where was the need for her to listen to Murlis; the whole Gyan should have emerged within her at the appropriate time in the drama.

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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by andrey » 13 May 2009

Dear brother shivsena,

It is amazing how you equalize your own assumption to be the final truth. Although the numerous proofs for the reverse. First in the Murli it is said that Murlis has started from Karachi. Then it is mentioned in various biographies including this one. Then we have copies of Murlis. Still what is the proof that they started after 65, except that on them the dates are always after 65. Anyway i just wonder what purpose does it serve for you, but maybe you have not yet revealed the whole of your theory.

Also how did Mama become goddess of knowledge. On her own or by listening to the Murlis. If you see her Vanis you will see that they are only based on the Murlis. She becomes clever in listening and churning the Godly knowledge she has heard through Brahma Baba, is not it and not that she has some source from within. Godly knowledge is taught and studied through the organs only. What are you trying to prove, that you have some power within. Speak openly.

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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by arjun » 16 May 2009

There were no Murlis of Shiva before 1965; there were only classes of Mama Saraswati which are now available in booklet form; arjun Bhai claims of only 2 hand wirtten Murlis before 1965; i have yet to see any Murli or recording before 1965; so when there were no Murlis spoken by Shiva before 1965, then how did she read and listen to the recordings
I am sorry to say that your churning is not true, at least as per the BK records. I have produced only the printed proofs of Murlis narrated prior to 1965, but I also have audio proofs of Sakar Murlis narrated prior to 1965. Just yesterday night I suddenly got a CD from a BK containing audio recordings of Sakar Murlis narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba.

The CD is titled MP3-5101/1 with the following Murlis in audio form:
1. 29.12.63 A.M
2. 30.01.63 A.M.
3. 30.06.64 A.M.
4. 28.08.64 A.M.
5. 08.09.64 A.M.
6. 31.05.65 A.M.
7. 01.06.65 A.M.
8. 03.06.65 A.M.
9. 03.06.65 P.M.
10. 10.11.66 P.M.
11. 23.12.67 A.M.
12. 23.12.67 P.M.
13. 24.12.67 A.M.
14. 24.12.67 P.M.
15. 15.12.68 A.M.
16. 17.12.68 A.M.
17. 16.01.69 A.M.
18. 18.01.69 A.M.
19. Last versions 18.01.69 P.M.

Despite the above proofs if you still wish to believe that no Sakar Murlis were narrated before 1965 it is your sweet will.

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Arjun

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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by arjun » 20 May 2009

Om Shanti. Actually the Revised Sakar Murli extracts that I have produced under Murli Pt. No.516-526 in the relevant thread in the BK Section together form a revised Sakar Murli dated 7.8.08 published by the BKs with the note that this Murli was narrated on 25.6.65 on the demise of Mama.

This once again proves that Murlis were being narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba even before 1965.

I am producing the Hindi and English version of the complete Murli below. It may kindly be noted that the English version is not the official English translation released by the BKs, but is a translation done by a PBK.

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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by arjun » 20 May 2009

ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक ०७.०८.०८, पृ. १-४
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७.८.०८ प्रातः मुरली ओमशान्ति बापदादा मधुबन

मीठे बच्चे – संगमयुग ब्राह्मणों के लिए कल्याणकारी है इसलिए सदा फखुर में रहना है, किसी बात का फिक्र नहीं करना है

गीतः- माता ओ माता...
(मातेश्वरी के शरीर त्याग करने पर २५-६-६५ को यह महावाक्य बापदादा ने सुनाये हैं, कृपया उसी ध्यान से पढ़ें)

मीठे-मीठे बच्चों को फरमान है कि बेहद के बाप को याद करते रहो। जो भी नाम-रूप वाले बच्चे बाप की सर्विस में हैं, उनसे यह ज्ञान और योग सुनना है। वह भी यही सुनायेंगे कि बाप को याद करो क्योंकि वर्सा उनसे मिलता है। मम्मा भी तो वही सुनाती है, बच्चे भी वही सुनाते हैं कि शिवबाबा को याद करो। तुम बच्चे यहाँ शिवबाबा की याद में बैठे हो, तुम्हें कोई फिकर नहीं करना है क्योंकि तुम बेहद के बाप से यह वर्सा ले रहे हो। इनमें कोई भी शरीर छोड़कर जाते हैं तो हम कहेंगे कि यह भी भावी है। कल्प पहले भी यह हुआ था क्योंकि ड्रामा के ऊपर भी तो चलना पड़े ना, जिससे कोई फिक्र नहीं रहे। आज मम्मा गई, कल और भी कोई चले जायेंगे फिर भी बाप को मुरली सुनानी है जरूर। बाबा तुम बच्चों को नई-नई प्वाइंट्स सुनाते, उनका अर्थ समझाते रहते हैं और यही सबको कहते हैं कि बच्चे बाप को याद करो, कोई भी नाम रूप में फंसो मत। यह तो सब बच्चों के लिए ज्ञान है। आगे चल करके और भी बहुत कुछ वन्डरफुल बातें देखने की हैं।

इस समय तो है ही दुःख की बातें, परन्तु उस दुःख का हमें कोई फिकर नहीं है। देखो, यह बाबा (साकार) तो कोई फिकर में नहीं है क्योंकि जानते हैं कि हमको तो बाबा को ही याद करना है, हमको बाबा से वर्सा लेना है। बाबा ने समझाया है क्रियेशन से कोई वर्सा नहीं मिलता है, क्रियेशन को क्रियेटर से वर्सा मिलना है इसलिये जो भी क्रियेशन (बच्चे और बच्चियां) हैं, उन्हें एक क्रियेटर को याद करना है। चाहे कुछ भी हो जाये। समझो कोई भी ऐसा विघ्न पड़ता है तो उसमें संशय की तो कोई बात ही नहीं है क्योंकि एक शिवबाबा को याद करना है, इसमें ही बच्चों का कल्याण है। अगर कोई अच्छी सर्विस करते-करते चला जाता है तो समझना चाहिए कि जो भी कोई जाता है, उसे जा करके और कहाँ पार्ट बजाना है। कोई न कोई कल्याण के कारण यह सब कुछ होता है क्योंकि बाप कल्याणकारी है और यह संगमयुग ब्राह्मणों का है ही कल्याणकारी। हर एक बात में कल्याण समझ फखुर में रहना है क्योंकि हम ईश्वरीय सन्तान हैं। ईश्वर से वर्सा लेते हैं, वर्सा लेते-लेते कोई चले जाते हैं तो जरूर उनका कोई और पार्ट होगा, इससे भी जास्ती कोई कार्य करना है।

अहो सौभाग्य, जो हमारा ही पार्ट है कल्प पहले मुआफिक बाप के मददगार बनने का। मददगार बनते-बनते कोई जनरल भी मर पड़ते हैं। हम समझते हैं ड्रामा अनुसार ही यह सब कुछ होता है, कोई गया तो क्या हुआ। हमें उनके लिए कुछ करना नहीं है। हमारा तो सब कुछ गुप्त है। वास्तव में अवस्था उनकी अच्छी है, जिन्हें कभी आंसू न आये। कभी ऐसे भी न समझे कि मम्मा का शरीर छूट गया, अब क्या होगा? आँसू आये तो नापास हो जायेंगे क्योंकि बाप बैठा है ना, जो हम सबको वर्सा दे रहे हैं। वह तो अमर ही है, उसके लिए कभी कोई आसूँ आने की दरकार भी नहीं है। हम तो खुद भी खुशी से शरीर छोड़ने के लिए पुरुषार्थ कर रहे हैं। मम्मा का भी कोई कार्य अर्थ इस समय जाने का था, यह भी ड्रामा है। कोई भी अपनी अवस्था अनुसार शरीर छोड़े तो उनका कल्याण है। बहुत अच्छे घर में जन्म लेकरके वहाँ भी कुछ अपनी खुशी देंगे। छोटे-छोटे बच्चे भी सबको खुश कर देते हैं। सभी उनकी बहुत महिमा करते हैं। तो बच्चों का ड्रामा के ऊपर और बाप के ऊपर मदार है। जो कुछ भी होता है, सेकण्ड बाय सेकण्ड...वह ड्रामा की नूँध है, ऐसा समझ करके खुशी में, सदा हर्षित रहना चाहिए।

कोई भी नाम रूप में हम लोगों को फंसना नहीं है। पता है यह शरीर है, इसको तो जाना ही है। हरेक का पार्ट नूँधा हुआ है, हम रोयेंगे तो क्या रोने से उनका पार्ट बदल सकता है, इसलिए बच्चों को बिल्कुल अशरीरी, शान्त और फिर हर्षितमुख रहना है। अटल, अखण्ड राज्य लेना है तो ऐसा बनना भी है। कोई भी इतफ़ाक हो जावे तो कहेंगे भावी है ड्रामा की, अफसोस की तो कोई बात नहीं। कल्प पहले भी ऐसे ही हुआ था। इतफाक तो होने ही हैं, चलते-चलते अर्थक्वेक्स हो जाते हैं। ऐसे नहीं है कि तुम्हारे में से कोई नहीं मरने हैं, नहीं। कोई भी मर सकते हैं, कोई भी इतफाक हो सकता है। इसलिए बाबा समझाते हैं कि बच्चे हमेशा बाप की याद में, फ़खुर में रहो। इसमें जो पार्ट जिसको मिला हुआ है वह बजाता है, इसमें हमको क्या करना है।

हमारा ज्ञान ही ऐसा है – अम्मा मरे तब भी हलुआ खाना, यानि ज्ञान रत्न देना। समझो बाबा कहता है, यह बाबा भी चला जाये....तो तुम बच्चों को फिर भी नॉलेज तो मिली हुई है कि हमको शिवबाबा से वर्सा लेना है, इनसे तो नहीं लेने का है। बाप कहते हैं यह सब बच्चे जो हैं मेरे से वर्सा ले करके दूसरों को रास्ता बताते हैं। तुम बच्चों को अन्धों की लाठी बनना है, बाप का परिचय देना है। हरेक के ऊपर मेहर करना है। तुम्हारा यही पुरुषार्थ है कि यह बिचारे दुःखी हैं, इनको सुख का रास्ता बतायें। इस दुनिया में सिवाए एक बाप के और कोई भी सुख का रास्ता बताने वाला है ही नहीं। लिबरेटर, दुःख हर्ता सुख कर्ता एक ही है, उनको ही याद करना है।

यहाँ दुःख की कोई भी बात नहीं होनी चाहिए, कुछ भी हो जाये। भले हम जानते हैं तुम्हारी मम्मा सर्विसएबुल सबसे नम्बरवन गाई जाती है। उनके हाथ में सितार दिखाते हैं, बरोबर जगदम्बा यानि मातेश्वरी वह बहुत अच्छा समझाती थी। वह भी कहती थी कि शिवबाबा को याद करो। मुझे नहीं याद करना। मनमनाभव, मध्याजीभव – यह दो अक्षर मशहूर हैं। बाकी तो डिटेल है। कोई भी हालत में, कोई भी संशय किसको पड़े, यह क्या हुआ, ऐसा क्यों हुआ....तो इससे अपना ही नुकसान कर देंगे। तुम बच्चों को कोई भी हालत में दुःख की महसूसता नहीं आनी चाहिए। भले बिमारी हो, कुछ भी हो....यह तो कर्मभोग है। बाबा से पूछते हैं – बाबा यह क्या है? बाबा कहेंगे यह तुम्हारा कर्मभोग है। अगर कोई बात ड्रामा में पहले से बताने की नहीं है तो मैं कैसे बताऊं...? यह बाबा भी साक्षी हो करके देखते हैं, तो बच्चों को भी साक्षी हो करके देखना है और बाप की याद में फ़खुर में रहना है कि हम ईश्वर की सन्तान हैं, ईश्वर के पोत्रे और पोत्रियां हैं। ईश्वर से वर्सा ले रहे हैं। बरोबर हम जानते हैं मम्मा ने भी ईश्वर का वर्सा लेते-लेते, शरीर छोड़ दिया। हम हर एक को तो बस बाप और वर्से को याद करना है। सारा मदार पुरुषार्थ पर है।“

यह बच्चे भी महसूस कर सकते हैं कि जितना हम पढ़ेंगे उतना ऊंच पद पायेंगे। ऊंचा प्रिन्स बनेंगे। सूर्यवंशी भी प्रिन्स और चन्द्रवंशी भी प्रिन्स एण्ड प्रिन्सेस हैं। तो बच्चों को पढ़ाई पढ़ना ही है, कुछ भी हो जाये पढ़ना जरूर है। ऐसे थोड़े ही है – कोई का माँ-बाप मरता है तो बच्चा पढ़ाई छोड़ देगा, नहीं। तो तुमको भी पढ़ाई रोज़ पढ़ना है। तुम्हें एक दिन भी पढ़ाई नहीं छोड़नी है, सर्विस भी हर हालत में जरूर करनी है। हर वक्त बुद्धि में वही एक बाबा याद रहे। तुम्हें वही पढ़ा रहे हैं और उनसे ही वर्सा लेना है। उसने ही हमारी बुद्धि का ताला खोला है। सारे ब्रह्माण्ड, सूक्ष्मवतन और फिर सृष्टि के आदि मध्य अन्त का ज्ञान हमारे बुद्धि में है। इसी ज्ञान से हम चक्रवर्ती बनते हैं। बस, उसी नशे में, मौज में रह सबको सुनाना भी ऐसे ही है क्योंकि तुम बच्चे जो पक्के ब्राह्मण बने हो, तम्हें कोई फिक्र नहीं है। इसमें कोई मुरझाने की, फिक्र करने की बात ही नहीं है। ऐसी अच्छी अवस्था चाहिए।

तुम समझते हो कि अन्त में विजय हमारी होनी ही है, ढ़ेर के ढ़ेर अपना वर्सा लेने के लिए आयेंगे। कुछ भी हो, तुम्हारे सर्विस की वृद्धि होती ही रहेगी, सिर्फ तुम्हारी एक्टिविटी दैवी चाहिए। उसमें कोई भी आसुरी गुण नहीं चाहिए। किससे लड़ना, झगड़ना, किससे कडुवा बोलना या अन्दर में कुछ लालच, लोभ, क्रोध...आदि अगर होगा तो बहुत कड़ी सजा खानी पड़ेगी। इसलिए कोई को भी दुःख नहीं देना है। सबको सुख का रास्ता बताना है। कोई छोटे बच्चे हैं, चंचलता करते हैं तो भी चमाट नहीं मारनी है। उन्हें भी प्यार से चलाना है। घर में भी बड़ा युक्ति से चलना है। कई हैं जो यहाँ बहुत अच्छी तरह से समझते हैं, घर में जाते हैं तो उन्हें माया हैरान करती है। यह भी बाप समझते हैं कि बच्चे तूफान जोर से आते रहेंगे, दिनप्रतिदिन तूफान और विघ्न पड़ते रहेंगे, तुम्हें घबराना नहीं है। बाप कहते हैं इस हमारे रूद्र ज्ञान यज्ञ में अथाह विघ्न पड़ेंगे, क्योंकि यह नई नालेज है।

कोई पूछते हैं तुम शास्त्रों को मानते हो? बोलो हाँ, मानते हैं यह सब भक्तिमार्ग के शास्त्र हैं। यह ज्ञानमार्ग है। ज्ञानेश्वर बाप कहते हैं मुझे याद करो बस, हम भी तुमको कहते हैं बाप को याद करो। करो न करो तुम्हारी मर्जी। अभी नर्क है, रावण राज्य है। अब बाप और स्वर्ग को याद करो। तुम गंगा में स्नान तो जन्म-जन्मान्तर करते आये हो, फिर भी दुनिया पतित बनती आयी है। अभी बाप कहते हैं बस, मुझे याद करो। जो यहाँ के होंगे उनके संस्कार ही देखने में आयेंगे, वह झट समझ जायेंगे। तुम अभी बेहद के बुद्धिवान हो। सयाने को बुद्धिवान कहा जाता है। तो तुम्हें उसी नशे में रहना है। बाकी गम की कोई बात नहीं है, यह हम जान गये कि ड्रामा चल रहा है। तुम कहेंगे वाह, मम्मा गई। वह एक्टर दूसरा एक्ट करने गई। इसमें मूंझने की, रोने की, दुःख की दरकार नहीं है। वह कोई उंची सर्विस करने के लिए गई। तुम दिन प्रतिदिन ऊंचे बनते जाते हो।

कोई शरीर छोड़ेगा तो भी ऊंची सर्विस जाके करेगा, इसलिये बच्चों को कोई भी दुःख नहीं होना चाहिए। मम्मा क्या, सभी जायेंगे। हमको भी बाबा के पास जाना है, हमारा काम है बाबा से। सबका काम है बाबा से, मम्मा का काम था बाबा से। अभी उनसे वह नालेज पा करके सर्विस करके जाके कोई दूसरी सर्विस के लिए दूसरा पार्ट बजाने गई। हम साक्षी हो करके देखते हैं। ऐसे नहीं कि मम्मा चली गई, फलानी चली गई, यह चली गई....अरे आत्मा सर्विस के लिए गई। शरीर तो सब खाक में ही मिलने हैं। इसलिए कभी भी बच्चों को कोई प्रकार का फिक्र नहीं करना है। हाँ, यह सत्य है, यह जो स्टूडेन्ट बाबा का था, यह बड़ा अच्छा था। अच्छा समझाता था....गाया जाता है। अगर कोई भी प्रकार का संशय आया तो यह खत्म हुआ, पद से भ्रष्ट हो जायेगा इसलिए बाबा बच्चों को समझाते रहते हैं बच्चे कोई प्रकार का फिक्र नहीं करो। डायरेक्शन्स जो मिलते हैं उन्हें अमल में लाते रहो। ऐसे मत समझो कि यह क्या हो गया? फिक्र उनको होगा जो बाप को और नालेज को भूलेगा। तुम बच्चे सभी मास्टर नालेजफुल हो। जिसका जो पार्ट है, उसमें हम कर ही क्या सकते हैं?

अच्छा – रात्रि को तो सब याद में बैठे, अच्छी कमाई हो गई। बाबा यहाँ आ करके बच्चों को देखते हैं, खुश होते हैं कि यह बगीचा बन रहा है। अभी ब्राह्मण हैं, इसके पीछे देवी-देवताओं का बगीचा बनना है। अभी यहाँ सब पुरुषार्थी हैं। कोशिश कर रहे हैं अच्छा फूल बनने की। कांटे को फूल बनाने का शो करेंगे। तुम्हें यहाँ स्थेरियम होकर बैठना है। बाबा देखो कितना पक्का कराते हैं। बाबा का फरमान मिला हुआ है सिर्फ मुझे याद करो। कोई ने रोया तो बाबा कहेंगे जिन रोया तिन खोया। बाबा देख रहा है कोई मुरझाया हुआ फूल तो नहीं है? नहीं। सब महावीर हैं। ऐसे-ऐसे विघ्न तो आने ही हैं। ड्रामा है, भावी है।

अच्छा – मीठे-मीठे सिकीलधे ज्ञान सितारों प्रति मात-पिता बापदादा का यादप्यार और गुडमार्निंग। रूहानी बाप की रूहानी बच्चों को नमस्ते।“


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Revised Sakar Murli dated 07.08.08, pg 1-4
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7.8.08 Praatah Murli Om Shanti BapDada Madhuban

“Sweet children – The Confluence Age is beneficial for the Brahmins, therefore you should always remain happy, you should not worry about anything.”

Song:- Mata O Mata (Mother O Mother)

(BapDada has narrated these versions 25.6.65 on the demise of Mateshwari; please read it carefully)


Sweet children are ordered to continue remembering the unlimited Father. You have to listen to this knowledge and Yoga from all those children with name and form who are on the Father’s service. They will also ask you to remember the Father because the inheritance is to be received from Him. Mama also narrates the same thing; the children also narrate the same thing – Remember ShivBaba. You children are sitting here in the remembrance of ShivBaba; you should not worry about anything because you are obtaining this inheritance from the unlimited Father. If anyone among them leaves the body, then we will say that this is also fixed (in the drama). This had happened in the previous Kalpa too because we also have to follow the drama so that there does not remain any worry. Today Mama has gone, tomorrow someone else may also depart; even then the Father has to certainly narrate Murli. Baba narrates newer points to you children; He keeps explaining their meanings and tells everyone – Children, remember the Father; do not get entangled in any name and form. This is knowledge for all the children. In future many more wonderful things are to be witnessed.

Now there are only issues of sorrows, but we do not worry about that sorrow. Look, this Baba (corporeal) does not worry because he knows that I have to remember Baba; I have to obtain inheritance from Baba. Baba has explained – no inheritance is received from the creation; creation has to receive inheritance from the creator. That is why the entire creation (sons and daughters) have to remember one creator whatever may happen. Suppose any such obstacle is created, there is no question of doubt in it because you have to remember one ShivBaba; children’s benefit lies only in this. If anyone departs while doing nice service, then you should think that whoever departs has to go and play a part somewhere else. All this happens to cause some benefit because the Father is benevolent and this Confluence Age of Brahmins is anyways beneficial. We should remain in intoxication by seeing benefit in everything because we are Godly children. We obtain inheritance from God; while obtaining inheritance some depart; so certainly they must have some other part; he/she has to perform a task better than this.

It is our great fortune that our part is to become the Father’s helper like the previous Kalpa. While becoming helpers some generals also die. We think that all this happens as per drama only; what happened if anyone departed? We don’t have to do anything for them. Everything of ours is incognito. Actually, the stage of those persons who never shed tears is good. You should never think that Mama has left the body, what will happen now? If you shed tears, then you will fail because the Father, who is giving inheritance to all of us is sitting, isn’t He? He is immortal; there is no need to shed tears for Him ever. We are ourselves making efforts to leave this body happily. Mama had to go for some work at this time; this is also part of the drama. If anyone leaves his/her body as per his/her stage, then it is beneficial for them. They will take birth in a good home and give happiness there. Small children also make everyone happy. Everyone praises them. So, children are dependant on the drama and the Father. Whatever happens second by second…it is fixed in the drama. By thinking like this one should always remain happy, joyful.

We people should not get entangled in anybody’s name and form. We know that this is a body; it is bound to go (i.e. perish). Everybody’s part is fixed. If we cry then can their part change through our cries? That is why children should be completely bodiless, peaceful and joyful. You have to obtain unshakable, unbreakable kingship; so we should also become like this. If any incident takes place, it will be said that it is fixed in the drama; there is nothing to feel regretful. It had happened like this in the previous Kalpa too. Incidents are bound to take place; earthquakes take place suddenly. It is not as if none among you is going to die; no. Anyone can die; anything can happen. That is why Baba explains – Children, always remain in the remembrance, intoxication of the Father. In this everyone is playing whatever part he/she has been assigned; what do we have to do in this?

Our knowledge itself is such that – Even if your mother dies eat halua (a sweet), i.e. give gems of knowledge. Suppose Baba says – even if this Baba goes….So, you children have knowledge that we have to obtain inheritance from ShivBaba, not from this one. The Father says – all these children obtain inheritance from me and show the path to others. You children have to become the blind man’s walking stick. You have to give the introduction of the Father. You must be merciful towards everyone. Your effort is that – these helpless people are sorrowful; let us show the path of happiness to them. In this world nobody can show the path of happiness except one Father at all. Only one (Father) is the liberator, remover of sorrows, giver of happiness; we have to remember only Him.

Here, there should not be any matter of sorrow, whatever may happen. Although we know that your Mama is praised as the numberone serviceable. A sitar (a musical instrument like banjo/violin) is shown in her hands; definitely Jagdamba, i.e. Mateshwari used to explain very well. She too used to say – Remember ShivBaba. Do not remember me. Manmanaabhav, madhyajibhav – these two words are famous. Rest is details. Under any circumstance, if anyone gets any doubt – what happened? Why did it happen?....Then they will cause harm to themselves. You children should not get a feeling of sorrow under any circumstance, whether there is any illness or anything….....This is a karmic suffering. Baba is asked – Baba, what is this? Baba wil say – this is your karmic suffering. If anything is not to be revealed beforehand in the drama, then how can I tell? This Baba also observes like a detached observer; so, children should also observe like a detached observer and you should remain in the Father’s remembrance that we are God’s children; we are God’s grandsons and granddaughters. We are obtaining inheritance from God. Certainly we know that Mama also left her body while obtaining God’s inheritance. Every one of us has to just remember the Father and the inheritance. Everything depends on the efforts.

Even the children can feel that the more we study the higher the post that we will achieve. We will become a high prince. There are Suryavanshi Princes as well as Chandravanshi Princes and Princesses. So, children have to definitely study the knowledge. Whatever may happen, you have to definitely study. It is not as – if someone’s parents die, then the child will stop studying, no. So, you have to study everyday too. You should not leave the studies even for a day; you should also definitely do service under any circumstance. That one Baba should be in the intellect all the time. He is teaching you and you have to obtain inheritance from Him alone. He alone has unlocked our intellect. The knowledge of the entire universe, Subtle Region and then the beginning, middle and end of the world is contained in our intellect. We become chakravarti (a universal monarch) through this knowledge. That is all, you have to narrate to everyone in that intoxication, in that joy because you children, who have become firm Brahmins do not have any worry. There is no need to be sad, to worry in this. The stage should be so nice.

You feel that in the end victory shall be ours; lot of people will come to take their inheritance. Whatever may happen, your service will keep increasing; only your activity should be divine. There should not be any demoniac quality. Fighting, quarelling, speaking bitter with someone or if there is any greed, anger, etc. inside…..then one will have to suffer a lot of punishments. That is why you should not cause sorrows to anyone. You should show the path of happiness to everyone. If there are some small children, even if they show mischievousness, you should not slap them. They should also be managed with love. You should act tactfully even at home. There are many who understand very well here; when they go home Maya troubles them. The Father also understands that - children, storms will keep coming forcefully, day by day you will keep facing storms and obstacles, you should not fear. The Father says – Immense obstacles will be created in our rudra gyaan Yagya because this is a new knowledge.

Some people ask – do you believe in the scriptures? Tell them – Yes, we believe; all these scriptures belong to the of the path of worship. This is a path of knowledge. The gyaaneshwar Father says – Remember me; that is all; I too tell you – Remember the Father. Whether you remember or not it is your wish. Now it is a hell. It is a kingdom of Ravan. Now remember the Father and heaven. You have been bathing in the Ganges since many births. Even then the world has been becoming sinful. Now the Father says – That is all. Remember me. The sanskars of those who belong to this place will be visible. They will understand immediately. You are now intelligent in an unlimited sense. The intelligent are called clever. So, you should remain in that intoxication. There is nothing to be sorrowful about. We have come to know that the drama is going on. You will say – Wow! Mama has left. That actor went to perform another act. There is no need to be confused, to cry or to become sorrowful in this. She went to do higher service. You go on becoming higher day by day.

Even if anyone leaves the body, he will go and do great service. That is why children should not feel sorrowful. Not just Mama every one will go. We too have to go to Baba. Our connection is with Baba. Everybody’s connection is with Baba; Mama had connection with Baba. Now she has obtained knowledge from Him, did service and has gone to play another part to do some other service. We observe like detached observers. You should not think that Mama has gone, that particular person has gone, this one has gone…..Arey, the soul has gone for service. All the bodies are going to become ash. That is why children should not have any kind of worry. Yes, it is true that this student of Baba was very good. He used to explain well….He is praised. If you get any kind of doubt then you will perish, you will lose the post. That is why Baba keeps explaining children – Children, do not have any kind of worry. Keep on implementing the direction that you receive. Do not think that – what has happened? The one who forgets the Father and the knowledge will worry. All of you children are master knowledgeful. What can we do in whatever part anyone has to play?

OK – Everybody sat in remembrance in the night. You earned a good income. Baba comes here and observes the children He feels happy that this is a garden being laid. Now you are Brahmins. Later on it is to become the garden of deities. Now here everyone is an effortmaker. You are trying to become a good flower. You will show how you transform thorns into flowers. You have to sit here in an unshakeable stage. Look Baba makes you so firm. We have got Baba’s order – Remember only me. If anyone cries, then Baba will say – the one who cries will lose. Baba is seeing – is there any withered flower? No. Everyone is a mahavir (the bravest ones). Such obstacles are bound to come. It is a drama; it is fixed.

OK – Remembrance, love and good morning of the Mother and the Father BapDada to the sweet long lost and now found stars of knowledge. Spritual Father’s Namaste to the spiritual children.

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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by shivsena » 15 Jun 2009

arjun wrote: I am sorry to say that your churning is not true, at least as per the BK records. I have produced only the printed proofs of Murlis narrated prior to 1965, but I also have audio proofs of Sakar Murlis narrated prior to 1965. Just yesterday night I suddenly got a CD from a BK containing audio recordings of Sakar Murlis narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba.
Despite the above proofs if you still wish to believe that no Sakar Murlis were narrated before 1965 it is your sweet will.
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Dear arjun Bhai.

I have received the same cd which you have mentioned where the first Murli is dated 29-12-63. My query is : if Shiva entered Dada Lekhraj in 1937 as per BKs, then why did Shiva take almost 25 years to speak the first Murli and that too in a mysterious code manner???... why did Shiva(ocean of knowledge) not give the knowledge in a very easy to understand language(sahaj RajYoga)??....Why are there no hard copies of Murlis before 1965 on paper, like the Murlis spoken after june 1965. And last but not the least, it is just an assumption by PBKs, that Shiva spoke these Murlis through Dada Lekhraj, because PBKs do not believe that Shiva entered Dada Lekhraj in 1937 in the first place. So PBKs first have to prove the entry of God Shiva in Dada Lekhraj (in which year) to prove that anything spoken by Dada Lekhraj before june 1965 was indeed spoken by Shiva only.

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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by arjun » 16 Jun 2009

shivsena wrote:I have received the same cd which you have mentioned where the first Murli is dated 29-12-63. My query is : if Shiva entered Dada Lekhraj in 1937 as per BKs, then why did Shiva take almost 25 years to speak the first Murli and that too in a mysterious code manner???...
The CD released by the BKs contains audio recording of Murlis narrated between 1963 and 1969. But that does not mean/prove that Murlis were not narrated before 1963.
Why are there no hard copies of Murlis before 1965 on paper, like the Murlis spoken after june 1965.
Individual BKs or BKWSU may have hard copies of Murlis narrated before 1965. It is upto them to release/produce them for the benefit of the seekers of knowledge.
And last but not the least, it is just an assumption by PBKs, that Shiva spoke these Murlis through Dada Lekhraj, because PBKs do not believe that Shiva entered Dada Lekhraj in 1937 in the first place. So PBKs first have to prove the entry of God Shiva in Dada Lekhraj (in which year) to prove that anything spoken by Dada Lekhraj before june 1965 was indeed spoken by Shiva only.
It is your assumption that PBKs don't believe that Shiv entered in Dada Lekhraj. Shiv did enter Dada Lekhraj, but He entered in him to play the role of only a mother.

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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by shivsena » 16 Jun 2009

It is your assumption that PBKs don't believe that Shiv entered in Dada Lekhraj. Shiv did enter Dada Lekhraj, but He entered in him to play the role of only a mother.
When did shiv enter Dada Lekhraj to play the role of mother??... in 1937 or 1947 or later ???
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Re: Recordings of Murli

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shivsena wrote:When did Shiv enter Dada Lekhraj to play the role of mother??... in 1937 or 1947 or later ??? shivsena.
Around 1947

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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by shivsena » 17 Jun 2009

arjun wrote: Around 1947

Dear arjun Bhai.
If in 1947 Shiva entered in Dada Lekhraj, then what happened between 1937 to 47...where was Shiva and what was HE doing ?? Also did Sangamyug start from 1937 with series of visions to Dada Lekhraj or from 1947 when Shiva first entered Dada Lekhraj???

Again if HE started narrating the Murlis from 1947, then why the first recording done after 15 years ie in 1963; only about 10 Murlis from 1947 to 1965, and then after Mama's demise Murlis were narrated regularly till 1969. Why ???

Also advance knowledge teaches that the 18 year Gita was narrated from 1950 to 1969; but there is no record available for first 15 years; God Shiva narrates Gita and the first 15 chapters are missing and only last 3 chapters from 1965 to 69 are available for study. This is something which a logical mind cannot digest and will definitely raise queries.

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Re: Recordings of Murli

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shivsena wrote:If in 1947 Shiva entered in Dada Lekhraj, then what happened between 1937 to 47...where was Shiva and what was HE doing ?? Also did Sangamyug start from 1937 with series of visions to Dada Lekhraj or from 1947 when Shiva first entered Dada Lekhraj???
You know very well and it has been discussed several times that the PBKs believe that Shiv entered initially in Sevakram for a few years from 1936-37 and then in two mothers before finally He began entering in Dada Lekhraj.

Confluence Age began from 1936-37.
Again if HE started narrating the Murlis from 1947, then why the first recording done after 15 years ie in 1963; only about 10 Murlis from 1947 to 1965, and then after Mama's demise Murlis were narrated regularly till 1969. Why ???
The popular theory why recordings did not begin before 1965 was that all the BKs including Mama and Baba believed that they will be alive and study till the end and that they will be going to Paramdham and heaven together. So, they did not feel the necessity to record all the Murlis. There was not much scientific advancement and so they must have been satisfied with recording the Murlis in their diaries/notebooks. You are talking about the period in India before 1965, but I can tell you that we got our first TV only in the late 1980s, that too primarily to watch epic TV serials like Ramayana and Mahabharata. Before that we had just tape-recorders and transistors. So, you can imagine the situation 20 years before that, i.e. in 1950s and 1960s.

Absence of Audio or Video recordings of Murlis narrated prior to 1965 does not prove that Murlis were not narrated regularly . This has been repeated so many times. But you still wish to repeat the same statement again and again. Instead of spending your time asking us the same question repeatedly you should devote your precious time in pursuing the matter with the BKWSU.

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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by shivsena » 23 Jun 2009

arjun wrote: You know very well and it has been discussed several times that the PBKs believe that Shiv entered initially in Sevakram for a few years from 1936-37 and then in two mothers before finally He began entering in Dada Lekhraj.
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Dear arjun Bhai.

One of the greatest lies in advance knowledge is the teaching that Shiva entered 3 different souls from 1937 to 47, and then in 1947 HE entered Dada Lekhraj to narrate Murlis and then in 1969 He entered Virendra Dev Dixit to start the advance knowledge in 1976. and finally Shiva will be revealed when all three murtis in the near future will unite to form the Trimurti. There is absolutely no truth in these teachings and they cannot be proved by any Murli points or logical data. It is surprising to note that PBKs believe that a soul takes about 2-3 births in Sangamyug, but they insist on believing that Shiva incarnates into different human bodies at least 7 times in Sangamyug before being revealed. Murlis say: '' I come only once in 5000 years in Bharat'' , and PBKs take pride in believing that Shiva incarnates 7 times in Sangamyug.

So anyone who believes in these imaginary facts is first fooling himself and then others. Looking back, i cannot understand how my logical thinking was blocked when i took the Advance Course and how i believed it to be true for almost 10 years. Now that i think about it, i can only say that most powerful ishwariya form of Maya had blocked my intellect which opened up only after reading the Murlis and Vanis.

Just think about it.
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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by arjun » 01 Jul 2009

One of the greatest lies in Advanced Knowledge is the teaching that Shiva entered 3 different souls from 1937 to 47
And what about the Murli quotes that speak about the BK sisters who used to give directions to Mama Baba and in whom Baba used to enter? There is also a Murli quote about the person who used to live with Baba for 10 years.

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Re: Recordings of Murli

Post by shivsena » 04 Jul 2009

arjun wrote: And what about the Murli quotes that speak about the BK Sisters who used to give directions to Mama Baba and in whom Baba used to enter? There is also a Murli quote about the person who used to live with Baba for 10 years.
First of all i have not read any Murli which says that there were some bk sisters who used to give directions to Mama-baba. I heard it only in advance knowledge. If you have the Murli date, then can you please put it on the forum.

Also about the Murli quote which says "das saal se rahenewala...."... does it point to sevakram(Ram's soul) who stayed in the so-called Yagya for only 5 years and left his body in 1942 (as per advance knowledge).

Both the Murli quotes in no way proves the absolute entry of Shiva into the 3 personalities at the beginning, on which assumption the whole advance knowledge is based. So advance knowledge can be aptly termed just an hypothesis or a philosophy(manushya mat) and cannot be called sacchi Gita as most PBKs believe.

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