mbbhat wrote:So- what? If changes happen, should the old only be considered?
I guess it is an old argument that was developed at the time when Aiden's suggestion was adopted.
I just wanted to emphasis that the idea for Traffic Control came from a Westerner ... arguably a Christian convert to BKism.
I am not a PBK and so do not defend them thoughtlessly. For me, as a Westerner, the BKWSU is more like the Vatican (rich, powerful, corrupt, contradictory to their religion) in comparison to the PBK's Protestant reform movement (purist, hardline, challenging, seeking greater depth and a return to the original values of the religion). The BKs are responding to the PBKs in a very similar manner to that which the Vatican responded to the early Protestant movement, i.e. attempting to suppress and destroy it, and they are likely to fail.
Does the suggestion that on a metaphoric level some elements of the BK movement lean towards Islamic tendencies and other lean towards Christian or Buddhist seem reasonable?
I think it does and perhaps it only seems harsh or insulting to a Hindu mindset? Perhaps it is being misused by some less evolved elements of the PBKs in that manner and that is what you are reacting against?
Whilst dressing itself in the language of Hinduism, BKism has certainly moved very far away from it and adopted concepts that are Islamic (or Christian), e.g. conversion, monotheism, imperialistic expansion, End Times (Destruction), exclusivity of divine right in comparison to Hinduism's pluralistic nature etc. It is reasonable to suggest that the BKs, evolving from a Sindhi community, picked up some Islamic influences.
"Are BKs equal to Islam?" is not the right question to be asking.
The question should be, "are some elements of the BKWSU Islamic in tendency?" and then "who or which elements?".
I think the answer to that is, "yes".
Perhaps some elements of the PBKs are not making their argument convincingly, or they are depending on weak arguments, but it is not unreasonable to suggest.
If one wanted to go even further, and believes in re-birth, it is reasonable even to suggest that some BKs would have had reincarnations as Moslems, then I think we could agree on that too which would mean they had those sanskars.
Therefore, rather than kneekerking against the idea, perhaps you should be understanding at a more subtle level. I think it is quite reasonable to look for subtle tendencies within the movement.
Has the BKWSU been influenced by Christians and even Jews in the West ... or BKs with Christian and Jewish Sanskars? Yes, I think so, and perhaps even in the beginning too.
And above all these influences ... are the majority of BK leaders still wrapped up in Krishna worship? I think the answer would be, "for sure".
I think it might help if enlightened PBKs were to clearly state who and which elements of the BKWSU leaned towards which tendencies and define how they see those tendencies.
Elsewhere, we read that Didi Manmohini represented a Buddhistic element and I wonder about that one even more.