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God's tasks in Confluence Age

Post by mbbhat » 10 Jul 2019

# Post No. 01-

1) An observation. From - https://www.brahma-kumaris.com/advance-party in the Advace Party Secrets 2 - There divine soul brother Suraj Bhaiji says (in the very beginning of the audio)- "Conf. Age span is 100 years, and says- this 100 years is from the beginning of ShivBaba's work till LN sit on throne".

But, some Murli points are given below. For those who are interested.

SM 03-09-82(2, 3):- Baap kahte hain maamekum Yaad karo to CHATURBHUJ ho tum vishw ke maalik ban jaayenge. Janm janmaantar shaastr aadi tum padhtey aaye ho. Kuch bhi samajhthey thode hi thay. Ab samajhtey ho saari Gita jhooti kar di hai. Shiv Bhagavaanuvaach ke badley Krishn Bhagavaanuvach daal diyaa hai. Jo Krishn 84 janm ke anth may ab gyaan le rahe hain unkaa naam daal diyaa hai. Sangamyug POORAA HONEY SE HI KRISHN KA JANM HOTA HAI. KRISHN JANMAASHTHAMI RAATH KO KAHTE HAIN. Vaastav may yah hai behad ki baath. Vah phir hadh ki raath kah dete. -4-, 5 [Krishn, Sangamyug, Gita, LM]

= ...After the completion of the Confluence Age, birth of Krishna takes place. Krishn Janmaashtami is also shown in the Night. Actually it is unlimited way. They show it in limited way.

Baba says- Sri Krishnji will take birth only after completion of Conf. Age. He will take some years 25-30 yrs to become Narayan and sit on throne. Is it not?

2) SM 24-6-76(2):- Jo bhee aate hain unhen sato, rajo, tamo may pass karnaa hee hai. Krishn bhee poorey 84 janm lete hain. Janm liyaa aur poorey 5000 varsh kaa part bajaayaa. Poorey 84 janm lenge. Ek bhee kam naheen. Poorey aacurate unko part bajaanaa hai. Jab atma pet may hain toh bhee janm toh hai na. Krishn ki atma jab aatee hai Satyug may, jab garbh may pravesh kiyaa, tab se lekar 5000 varsh may 84 janmon ka part bajaanaa hai. Jaise Shiv Jayanti manaate hain, toh ismay baithaa hai na? Krishn ki atma bhee garbh may aayi. Churpur huyi. Us samay se lekar 5000 varsh kaa hisaab shuru hota hai. Agar kam/jaasti ho toh fir 5000 varsh se kam ho jaaye. Yahy badee sookshm samajhne kee baath hai. -37 [Krish, rath]

= All have to pass through sato, rajo, tamo stages. Krishn takes complete 84 births. He takes birth and plays role of complete 5000 years. He takes full 84 births. Not even a birth lesser. He has to play role fully accurate. When the soul is in the womb, that is also birth is it not. When soul of Krishn comes in Golden Age, as soon as it enters womb, from there, 84 births have to be played in 5000 years. Like Shiv Jayanti is celebrated, (Father) is seated in this, is it not. Soul of Krishn enters womb, churpur (movement) happens. From there the calculation of 5000 years begins. If lesser or more, then it would be lesser than 5000 years. This is very subtle matter to be understood.

Baba says- Calculation of 5000 years begin from when the soul of Krishna enters into the womb, not from LN.

In olden days- some senior BKs during 1990s had said Sri Krishn will take birth in 2006/2011 (assuming he should sit on throne in 2036 at the age of 30 or 25 yrs). Did it happen?
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3) In the same website, at another/next page - https://www.brahma-kumaris.com/shri-Krishna-birth, it says as below-
Shri Krishna takes birth when the old world (Kaliyug) is destroyed. Upon this, only one continent (Bharat) will be visible on the surface, and all the gold under the Earth will come on the surface and covers the entire Bharat continent (India). This world transformation and birth of Krishna happens exactly 100 years after Shiv Jayanti (descent of God). World transformation takes 100 years. Thus, it can be estimated, that in or around 2036, the birth of first prince - Krishna will take place in a sacred place beyond all sorrow that the world offers.
Krishna is a prince. Hence he must have taken birth to a King. His parents would be the king and queen at the end of sangam yug (Confluence Age). It will be a place where only pure and divine souls lives. No soul with an impure vision (eye) can see the deities. When Shri Krishna is born, the whole community of deity souls will know through visions. Sound will be spread that the first child is born and the new world has begun. Joy will arise. Waves of sorrow ends. This is the morning.
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4) Here, it is said- Krishna will take birth in 2036. I think that is good. But, it does not say- there will be still impure souls remaining while Sri Krishna takes birth. It assumes as if Kaliyug gets transformed completely while Krishna takes birth. A small correction needs to be done there. Am I right?

And, more deeper, to next post.

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Re: God's tasks in Confluence Age

Post by mbbhat » 10 Jul 2019

# Post No. 02:-

Murli points say- parents of Sri Krishna would be impure (but the first vicleless birth would be of Sri Krishna). See below.

5) SM 29-1-76(3):- Krishn kaa kitnaa naam gaayaa jaataa hai. Unkey Baap ka naam hee nahin. Unkaa Baap kahaan hai. Zaroor Krishn Raja kaa bachchaa hogaa na. Jahaan jeeth* vahaan bade Raja ke ghar may janm hota hai. PARANTU VAH PATIT RAJA HONE KAARAN UNKAA NAAM THODE HEE HOGA. KRISHN JAB HAI TAB THODE PATIT BHEE RAHTE HAIN. JAB VAH BILKUL KHATM HO JAATE HAIN, TAB YAH GADDI PAR BAITH_TE HAIN. APNAA RAAJY LE LETE HAIN. TABSE HEE UNKAA SAMVAT SHURU HOTAA HAI. LN SE HEE SAMVAT SHURU HOTAA HAI. [vimp]

= How famous is name of Krishna. There is no name of his Father. He got birth in home of great King. But since that King is impure, his name cannot be famous. Some impure souls(people) also will be present during period of Krishna. When they(impure) fully vanish, this(Krishna) will sit on throne. He gets his throne. From there the samvatsar begins. The samvatsar begins with LN(Lakshmi Narayan).


6) SM 7-10-85(2):- Tum ho kitney saadhaaran. Aur kyaa bante ho. Vishw kaa maalik. Tumhaaraa kitnaa shrungaar hogaa. Golden spoon in mouth vahaan kaa toh gyaan hee hai. Abhee bhee koyi achche bachche shareer chodte hain toh bahut achche ghar may janm lete hain. Golden spoon in mouth miltaa hai. Inadvance toh jaayenge na koyi ke pass. NIRVIKAARI PASS TOH JANM PAHLEY2 KRISHN KO HEE LENAA HAI. Baaki toh jo bhee jaayenge, vah vikaari pass hee toh janm lenge. Parantu garbh may itnee sajaayein naheen bhogenge. Bade achche ghar may janm lenge. Sajaaye toh kat gayi. Baaki karkey thodee hogi. Itnaa dukh naheen hogaa. Aage chal dekhnaa tumhaarey pass bade ghar ke bachche prince, princess kaise aate hain. Baap tumhaaree kitnee mahimaa karte hain. – [advance, Krishn, prediction]

= How ordinary you are. But what do you become. Emperors of the world. How much would you be decorated. Golden Spoon in the mouth is said to there. Even now, when some good children leave body, take birth in good homes. They get Golden Spoon in the mouth. They will go in advance to somewhere, is it not. THE FIRST VICELESS BIRTH WOULD BE THAT OF Krishna ONLY. Others whoever leave their body, will get birth at vicious places only. But, in the garbh there would not be much punishment. They get birth at good homes/families. The punishments are cut/burnt. There could be a little. (So), sorrow would not be much. In future, you will see how prince, princess of great/royal families come towards you. How much Father praises you.

One Murli point says- Father of Krishna would be impure King. Another one says- Krishna's birth would be viceless. Again there is room for doubt or confusion.

My yathaashakti churning:- Krishna's parents would be of Advance Party souls. So- his parents' souls would be almost pure, but body would be impure. So- by the word Impure king, it may mean that the body is impure. Because Advance Party souls have taken birth in homes of Kaliyugi Royal families. Now, the Advance Party people would be having good amount of purity and yogbal. So, they are like pure souls in impure body. And- hence they would give viceless birth. Sorry, these are just churning, yet to know many things.

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Re: God's tasks in Confluence Age

Post by destroy old world » 26 Jul 2019

From viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2713#p54147

SM 24.06.76
“The calculation of 5000 years begins from the time Shri Krishna enters the womb of the mother.”

SM 03.09.82
“Only after the completion of the Confluence Age, birth of Krishna takes place. Krishn Janmaashtami is also shown in the Night.”


Above two points have been clarified in viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2711&start=30#p54176

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From viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2713&start=15#p54148

SM 29.01.76
“The ERA (of Golden Age) commences from Lakshmi and Narayan.”

The THEORETICAL CALCULATION of 5000 years begins from the time Shri Krishna enters the womb of the mother, ONLY for the comprehension of Confluence Age Brahmins, during Confluence Age - which is NOT of PRACTICAL significance to the Deities of the Golden ERA, which commences from the day of coronation of Shri Krishna & Shri Radhe, when they FIRST sit on the throne as the VERY FIRST Lakshmi and Narayan of Golden Age, on 01.01.01.
See further clarification, in second section, in viewtopic.php?f=21&p=54176#p54176


SM 07.10.85
“The first viceless birth would be that of Krishna.”

The Pure soul of Shri Krishna CANNOT set foot on impure elements. Although the souls and corporeal bodies of the parents of Shri Krishna are ONLY MARGINALLY impure (due to which they would still be considered to be RELATIVELY impure, ONLY in comparison to the COMPLETELY Pure souls in Pure bodies, on day 01.01.01) the womb of his mother becomes COMPLETELY Pure, WHEN Shri Krishna enters the womb of the mother, and the elements surrounding the immediate area where Shri Krishna grows up also become COMPLETELY Pure, owing to his OWN ‘Yogbal’ - while the rest of the world is STILL in the process of becoming COMPLETELY Pure - along with the RELATIVELY impure souls, in RELATIVELY impure bodies, who are instrumental to give birth to the Pure souls descending from the Soul World, number-wise, in LIKE manner. ALL the five elements of the ENTIRE world, and ALL the embodied souls become COMPLETELY Pure, in COMPLETELY Pure corporeal bodies, on day 01.01.01 of the Golden ERA!
The birth of Shri Krishna is considered to be viceless since the birth takes place through ‘Yogbal’ (intellectual union), and NOT through ‘bahubal’ (physical union)!

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Re: God's tasks in Confluence Age

Post by Kaal » 26 Jul 2019

mbbhat wrote:
10 Jul 2019
# Post No. 02:-

Murli points say- parents of Sri Krishna would be impure (but the first vicleless birth would be of Sri Krishna). See below.

5) SM 29-1-76(3):- Krishn kaa kitnaa naam gaayaa jaataa hai. Unkey Baap ka naam hee nahin. Unkaa Baap kahaan hai. Zaroor Krishn Raja kaa bachchaa hogaa na. Jahaan jeeth* vahaan bade Raja ke ghar may janm hota hai. PARANTU VAH PATIT RAJA HONE KAARAN UNKAA NAAM THODE HEE HOGA. KRISHN JAB HAI TAB THODE PATIT BHEE RAHTE HAIN. JAB VAH BILKUL KHATM HO JAATE HAIN, TAB YAH GADDI PAR BAITH_TE HAIN. APNAA RAAJY LE LETE HAIN. TABSE HEE UNKAA SAMVAT SHURU HOTAA HAI. LN SE HEE SAMVAT SHURU HOTAA HAI. [vimp]
As clarified on our page Shri Krishna Birth, it is already revealed that the parents would have taken birth in vicious world (Iron age), and Shri Krishna is the first child who will take a pure birth (with Yogbal). He and Radhe would definitely take birth to a King and Queen. However, they are not brother and sister. World kingdom is divided into two halves. (There is much wonder why the world is divided in two at the end of cycle) Later we will publish this revelation on our page - Destruction and Transformation by 2036.

When Krishna (Mohan, his childhood name) takes birth, there are still some impure souls existing. What are they doing? They are constructing the Golden palaces and gardens. They will serve the deities because they are impure, while those brahmins, who did good Purusharth in Sangam yug (Confluence Age), have now become pure. According to the divine law, pure souls do not need to work hard. Nature itself serves them and makes everything available. Here, the remaining souls (some 300,000) will construct Golden palaces, gardens, aeroplanes, and make other inventions... So definitely these souls would be good at Science. For this help in the establishment, those souls will get the reward in the next cycle (next Confluence Age) - they will get comforts of Science.
(( You can see many in the world who are living a good life on account of Scientific inventions. They are those who will construct the Golden Age practically ))

Hope something new has been revealed, which brings intoxication of knowledge in your intellect.
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Re: God's tasks in Confluence Age

Post by mbbhat » 01 Sep 2019

Kaal wrote:
26 Jul 2019
When Krishna (Mohan, his childhood name) takes birth,
7) Baba says- the childhood name is Sri Krishna, and later Sri Narayan. Can you say how did you arrive to the name Mohan?

8) So far, the point No. 01) remains unaddressed. But, it is OK, no problem.

Everyone is likely to commit mistakes. Baba has said - Even if Brahma commits mistakes, I will take responsibility.

I just informed that there is error in point No. 1). So- One or other day, we will have to change that audio in the linked site. At least the initial part should have been removed, since it goes against the Murli point. Or you may have to explain it specifically.
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DOW wrote: Although the souls and corporeal bodies of the parents of Shri Krishna are ONLY MARGINALLY impure (due to which they would still be considered to be RELATIVELY impure, ONLY in comparison to the COMPLETELY Pure souls in Pure bodies, on day 01.01.01) the womb of his mother becomes COMPLETELY Pure, WHEN Shri Krishna enters the womb of the mother, and the elements surrounding the immediate area where Shri Krishna grows up also become COMPLETELY Pure, owing to his OWN ‘Yogbal’
9) A little bit exaggeration it seems.
Baba has said parents of Krishna would be impure. Now, DOW claims the womb becomes COMPLETELY pure as soon as the soul of Krishna enters the womb.

Now, few questions arise. Would the Advance Party souls be fully pure when they give birth to Krishna? I do not think so. Only 8 (or 108) will become fully pure. Others will have to receive punishment before returning to Paramdham.

10) NOW- the parents of Krishna would FIRST give birth to Krishna, then only will return to Paramdham, is it not? So, they will have to undergo punishment LATER(after giving birth) only.* Is it not? Think with cool mind.

So- if we say the body/womb of the mother of Krishna becomes completely pure BEFORE the soul of mother, it seems illogical.

And- MOST BELOVED OoK (Ocean of K) ShivBaba says many times- "the impure body cannot become pure unless the soul becomes pure". So- how come the body/womb of Krishna's mother become pure BEFORE the soul?

11) Conception will happen around 4 months before the soul of Krishna enters the womb. So- the viceless nature is decided from that instant itself, not at the instant soul of Krishna entering into the womb, is it not?

12) Also- since parents of Krishna will have to shed their body after giving birth to Krishna, their body is going to be PERISHED, is it not?
So- would a COMPLETELY PURE BODY PERISH?

13) First of all (So), DOW did not explain what is meant by "COMPLETELY PURE" here.

14) Now, - If the "COMPLETELY PURE" does not mean equal to the level of Krishna, then WHAT LEVEL? If you are interested, kindly explain. No expectation.

15) Murli points say- Krishna gets viceless birth. Murli never says the womb will become (fully pure) when soul of Krishna enters.
I do not deny the possibility. It could be anyway. No one can claim it is exactly so and so.

So- my present belief is- the birth is viceless, but the divinity/radiation/vibration of the womb would be lesser than that of the soul of Krishna. It can never become equal to that of Krishna.

And- the purity level is decided from the conception itself, not at the time of entering the womb. So, I believe the pure/viceless birth means birth through yogbal. It does not demand body also should become EXTRA pure. DOES it?
And, since the parents' body is going to be perished soon, the need of those bodies to become completely pure does not arise.

16)So- my present belief is- the womb is pure means to the level of vicelessness and divinity to the extent needed. There is no need for that womb to compete with the level of Krishna or heaven, since that body is going to perish.
Main thing is- like ShivBaba can use an impure body for his auspicious acts, even the Advance Party souls can use their impure body to give birth to Krishna, why not?

[Still mbbhat does not claim he is right. It is only his present level belief].

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17) Dear DOW soul,

Kindly note that - I am not here to fight with you. You, myself or even great Maharathis can be wrong. Let us see whether the discussion yields something good. Who wins is not the main criteria.

**18) - Or if you claim - souls of parents of Krishna had already received punishment before giving birth, kindly mention if you like.
I do not deny possibility. But, as said in 13), I believe very less possibility.

So- there are lots of doubts. No one can claim it is exactly so and so. We can only discuss (and progress a little only), cannot claim in such things.

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Re: God's tasks in Confluence Age

Post by destroy old world » 07 Sep 2019

AV 23-01-1985, Revised on 08-09-2019

वरदान:-
धरनी, नब्ज और समय को देख सत्य ज्ञान को प्रत्यक्ष करने वाले नॉलेजफुल भव!
धरनी, नब्ज और समय सब देख करके ज्ञान देना - यह नॉलेजफुल की निशानी है। आत्मा की इच्छा देखो, नब्ज देखो, धरनी बनाओ; लेकिन अन्दर सत्यता के निर्भयता की शक्ति जरूर हो, तब सत्य ज्ञान को प्रत्यक्ष कर सकेंगे।

Blessing:
May you be Knowledge-full and reveal the TRUE Knowledge by first considering the field, the pulse, and the time!
First see (check) the field, the pulse, and the time, and then give the Knowledge; this is a sign of a knowledge-full soul. Consider the desire of the soul, feel the pulse, prepare the field; but internally, definitely have the power of fearlessness of truth, for only then will you be able to reveal the TRUE Knowledge.

A knowledge-full soul would reveal TRUE Knowledge, ONLY WHEN the concerned soul clearly demonstrates a humble desire for same, through appropriate conduct – and TRUE Knowledge should be revealed ONLY AFTER feeling the spiritual pulse of the concerned soul, as well as, by first adequately preparing the intellectual field of the concerned soul!
Otherwise, precious time and spiritual energy would simply be wasted!

Further clarifications would follow in due course - as and when deemed appropriate.

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Re: God's tasks in Confluence Age

Post by destroy old world » 25 Sep 2019

The name ‘Mohan’, which means ‘fascinating’ or ‘charming’, is a childhood pet name for Shri Krishna; and although the name of the first prince of Golden Age is ‘Krishna’, his most intimate gopis address him by his pet name, ‘Mohan’, during his childhood.

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