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Re: Murlis : In the Present tense or in the Past tense forma

Post by mitra » 20 Sep 2006

if only Avyakt Murlis are needed, does that imply all the knowledge is complete in the Sakar Murlis?
Knowledge is complete even in One Murli! In every Murli you can see the sentence - be soul consciousness and remember me ALONE. i.e. MANMANABHAVA. All other points are just elaboration of this single MANTRA.

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Post by john » 20 Sep 2006

Hi Mitra
and remember me ALONE. ie MANMANABHAVA.
Can you explain what this means though?

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Post by pbktrinityshiva » 22 Sep 2006

merge yourself into the thoughts of my mind, its a sanskrit word :)

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Post by mitra » 22 Sep 2006

John wrote: Can you explain what this means though?
The mind is the department which produces thoughts.

The intellect is the department which visualises the image.

So Manmanabhava is a sanskrit word which means, you should remember only the Supreme Soul and nothing else. You should not remember even your name, position, body, religion etc. Nothing should be in your mind. Only one Supreme Soul-YOUR true Father.

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Post by john » 22 Sep 2006

Only one Supreme Soul-YOUR true Father.
and that is?

and he is where?

How is he remembered?

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Post by sparkal » 22 Sep 2006

In an Avyakt Murli, this season perhaps, it says something about-'don't merge with me.'

We can belong to God with our mind and sit side by side and still have Yoga. Or was it Brahma speaking?

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Post by mitra » 25 Sep 2006

John wrote:And that is? And he is where? How is he remembered?
As per BKWSU, His home is known as Silence world/Param Dham[Hindi word]/

He is remembered as a point of light. This needs visualisation power which varies with person to person.

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Post by arjun » 25 Sep 2006

Mitra wrote:As per BKWSU, His home is known as Silence world/Param Dham[Hindi word]/

He is remembered as a point of light. This needs visualisation power which varies with person to person.
Dear brother,
Om Shanti. All the souls in the Soul World, whether they are souls of animals, birds, insects, human beings, are points of light. So how do we differtiate between the above souls and the Supreme Soul?
Further, it also needs to be clarified how this remembrance of God as a point of light differs from the remembrance of God/Allah by the Christians/Muslims? They also believe God to be point of light. So, they should also enter heaven if your theory is supposed to be correct.
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Post by bkdimok » 25 Sep 2006

arjun wrote:Om Shanti. All the souls in the Soul World, whether they are souls of animals, birds, insects, human beings, are points of light. So how do we differtiate between the above souls and the Supreme Soul?
Further, it also needs to be clarified how this remembrance of God as a point of light differs from the remembrance of God/Allah by the Christians/Muslims? They also believe God to be point of light. So, they should also enter heaven if your theory is supposed to be correct.

Dear Bhai! OK, may be they believe God to be point of light, but they don't make effort to remember Him constantly in this form, so they won't go to heaven. As for how one can distinguish Supreme Soul from another soul, it can be possible when you realise that when you go to Paramdham in remembrance, Father will be there and will wait for you. If you feel power, love, peace, happiness coming from that Point of Light, you may be sure it is God.
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Post by arjun » 25 Sep 2006

Dear BKDimOK Bhai, Om Shanti.

There are millions of souls belonging to other religions who believe that they get peace of mind and power when they remember the point of light (in case of Islam/Christianity, etc.) or a non-living idol (in case of Hindus/Buddhists etc.). So, should we consider their beliefs to be the ultimate truth?

If going to Paramdham and remembering Shiva is the correct method then why would BapDada say in the Avyakt Vanis that you have to bring the Paramdham down to this Earth?
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Post by mitra » 26 Sep 2006

arjun wrote:If going to Paramdham and remembering Shiva is the correct method then why would BapDada say in the Avyakt Vanis that you have to bring the Paramdham down to this Earth?
Bringing that world down here means to create the atmosphere and vibration of silence through the power of Yoga

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Post by arjun » 26 Sep 2006

Mitra wrote:Bringing that world down here means to create the atmosphere and vibration of silence through the power of Yoga
Dear Mitra Bhai, Om Shanti. That is what ShivBaba is trying to teach the PBKs now. He says that there is no need to forcibly sit in a meditative posture and taking our intellect to an imaginary Soul World full of golden light and connecting it with a point of white light in the centre which we imagine to be Supreme Father Shiv.

Instead of that we can create that atmosphere of inner silence while living in this world of disturbance itself while performing any action. For doing that we need to realize ourself as a peaceful soul and realize our imperishable Father, who is an ocean of knowledge.

Till now, as part of the basic knowledge given by BKs we were trying to remember a point of light as an ocean of knowledge. But how will the entire world accept an imaginary point of light as an ocean of knowledge, unless He comes in this world and sets an example of remaining peaceful while living amidst this peaceless, disturbed world?

It is easy to be peaceful while meditating in a BK center or in the confines of one's house under a given set of conditions (like red light, white curtains, comfortable seats, incense sticks, etc.) but it is hardly easy to remain peaceful/soul conscious/remember the Supreme Soul while travelling in a crowded bus, harsh weather conditions or noisy conditions or without any appliances to aid the meditation. One can attain this stage only when one has observed someone remaining in that stage under such circumstances. And that is what ShivBaba is trying to do in the new role that He commenced since 1976.
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Post by bkdimok » 26 Sep 2006

arjun wrote:It is easy to be peaceful while meditating in a BK center or in the confines of one's house under a given set of conditions (like red light, white curtains, comfortable seats, incense sticks, etc.) but it is hardly easy to remain peaceful/soul conscious/remember the Supreme Soul while travelling in a crowded bus, harsh weather conditions or noisy conditions or without any appliances to aid the meditation. One can attain this stage only when one has observed someone remaining in that stage under such circumstances. And that is what ShivBaba is trying to do in the new role that He commenced since 1976.
Dear soul! It is said in the Murli that one must remember Shiva while performing particular actions (walking, sitting, doing work, traveling in a crowded bus). In this curcumstances it is easier to remember God in his original form. What benefit one can receive from visualizing costume, which will be burn down. It is said remember God. Who is God? Point of light. He only enters a body in oder to play role. Remembering Shiva in a Chariot is like remembering something which is closed by curtains. God himself never had said in the Murli to remember him in a body.
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Post by mitra » 27 Sep 2006

Instead of that we can create that atmosphere of inner silence while living in this world of disturbance itself while performing any action. For doing that we need to realize ourself as a peaceful soul and realize our imperishable Father, who is an ocean of knowledge.
Exactly. You remember yourself as a soul and remember your Father as a point of light. [But the visualisation of background should be Golden yelow light]

The white curtain, meditation music, scent etc etc is applicable only for NEW BK's. Because they should get some training or experience to do the meditation. Once it is part and parcel of one's daily life, all these arrangements are NOT REQUIRED

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Post by sparkal » 09 Oct 2006

Could it be that the knowledge is saying, the Soul World is ALREADY here? I mean, how many miles up there is it anyway? How many light years even?

It is time for the BKs to take the kiddies building bricks to the car boot sale. Simply letting go is the first step. The Soul World is a thought away, a very thin, subtle thought. We are already in it even, it is just that we don't ralise it. The knowledge is asking us to realise it. To realise what is already in existence, so it requires just a little bit of fine tuning in our thoughts.

Why don't we send a space ship "UP" there and tow the Soul World "DOWN" here. :P

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