Gita: Who and When?

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Gita: Who and When?

Post by anamik » 16 Jan 2007

Dear Sweet Souls,

I would like to give some Murli points and tell something about 'Gita'. First, I would like to make few statements which are based on hearing and reading and my churning of knowledge to this date.
  • 1. The Soul of Dada Lekhraj (Brahma Baba) is the actual Chaitanya (living) Gita.

    2. That soul has taken physical rebirth after leaving his body as Dada Lekhraj in january 1969.

    3. This second birth body of that soul is The Mukarrar Rath, and This is the body or Rath which is praised as Bhageerath (lucky Chariot), Sangamyugi Krishna, Satya Narayan, Surya Narayan, Mahadev, Adi Dev, Prajapita, Ram ShivBaba, etc.,

    4. Dada Lekharaj(Brahma Baba)'s Soul is actual Bharat.

    5. There are no four or five Physical Brahma personality as stated in Advance Knowledge. These five (1+4) are the subtle forms of the same personality.

    6. Within next few years The Mukarrar Rath will be declared and many people will run behind Him that is to say Bhagawat will occur. And then, through That personality Supreme Soul Shiv will give Gita Gyan.

    7. Then who is Veerendradev Dixit? He is neither That Ram ShivBaba nor Prajapita. He is that soul who did take many births as intellectually and physically powerful king and in his recent birth was Swami Vivekanand. During which time he got Advaita philosophy knowledge and those samsakaras has made him play this part in this birth. But he is 'NOT' the one who is going to attain That complete union with Supreme Soul Shiv and thereby attain complete Nirakari stage.
Please NOTE: You may get these statements clarified by your elders and/or Dixitj in YES or NO i.e. TRUE or FALSE.

Sakar Murli dt. 3.1.85, page 2:
"Gyan hai hee ek Bap ke paas. Gyaan se tum Janm lete ho. Gita ko Mai Baap kaha jata hai. MaatPita hai na. Tum ShivBaba ke bachhe ho phir MaatPita chahiye na. Manushya to bhal gaate rahate hai parantu samajh thode hi hain. Arth kuch bhi nahee janate hai. Baap samajhate hain iska arth kitna guhya hai. Godfather kaha jaata hai phir MaatPita kyun kaha jata? Baba ne samjhaya hai bhal Saraswati hai parantu vastav main sachhi sachhi mother Brahmputra hai. Brahmputra Saraswati se bhi badi nadi hai. Sangam to hai na. Pahale pahale sangam inka hota hai. Baba inmain pravesh karte hain. Yah kitni maheen batein hai. Bahutonkee budhhi main yah rahati naheen hai jo chintan karein. Bilkul kam budhhi hai. Kam darja paane wale hain. Unhonke liye Baap phir bhi kahate hain apne ko Aatma samjho. Yah to sahaj hai na."

In English: Knowledge is there only with One Father. You take birth by Knowledge. Gita is called as Mother and Father. Is Mother-Father, is'nt it. You are ShivBaba's children, then there is requirement of Mother-Father, is'nt it. Although people praise but do they have any understanding. Do'nt know meaning of anything. Father teaches how hidden meaning it has. (people) say Godfather then why called as Mother-Father? Baba has explained (that) although Saraswati is there but actually True Mother is Brahmputra. Brahmputra is bigger river than Saraswati. Sangam is there, is'nt it. Firstly, Sangam takes place of this. Baba enters into this. How subtle matter are these. Many don't have this in their intellect so that they can churn. Are totally less intellectual. Are those getting lower status. For such, Father still tells (to) understand yourselves as Aatma. Is'nt this easy.
Sakar Murli dt. 9.5.85, page 2:
"Gita hee hai MaatPita. Baaki sab hai unki rachna. Rachna se kab varsa milta nahee. Varsa rachta se hee milta hai. Bachhonko Baap se varsa milta hai. Bhai se mil na sake."

In English: Only Gita is Mother-Father. All others are their creation. (Will) never get any property from creation. Will get property only from Creator. Children get property from Father. (Will) never get from brother.
Sakar Murli dt. 19.12.2001, Murli-Khand one page 211:
"Gaate hain tum MaatPita hum balak tere... to wahi ismain pravesh kar tumko knowledge dete hain. Kitnee samajhne ki baatein hain. Prajapita Brahma ko bhi Pita kahate hain. To Maata kahan? Baap baith samajhate hain ki yah Prajapita bhi hai to Maata bhi hai. Main to sabhi Aatmaonka Baap hoon. Mujhe hee Godfather kahate hain."

In English: (People) Praise that you are Mother-Father, we are your children... so Himself enter into this (man) and give you knowledge. These matters are so much to be understood. Prajapita Brahma is also called as Father. So where is Mother? Father sits and explains you that this is also Prajapita and is also Mother. I am Father of all souls. (people) Call only me as Godfather.
Sakar Murli 8.1.95, Murli-Khand one page 243:
"Baap to hai hee Highest Authority aur phir wah Prajapita Brahma bhi Highest Authority thahare. Yah Dada hai sabse badi Authority. Shiv aur Prajapita Brahma. Aatmaein hain ShivBaba ke bachhe aur phir Sakar main hum Bhai bahan sab hain Prajapita Brahma ke bachhe. Yah hai sabka Great Great Grandfather."

In English: As matter of fact Father is Highest Authority and then that Prajapita Brahma is also Highest Authority. This Dada is Authority higher than all. Shiv and Prajapita Brahma. Souls are children of ShivBaba and then in corporeal form we brothers and sisters are all children of Prajapita Brahma. This is Great Great Grandfather of all.
Sakar Murli dt. 13.6.2001, Murli-Khand page 397:
"Naheen to ShivBaba kee jeevan kahanee kitnee likhnee chahiye. Abhi tum bachhe kahate ho - ParamPita Paramatma kee jeevan kahanee hum jante hain. Baap baith samajhate hain - main Bhaktimarg main kya karta hoon. Bhaktimarg main bhi insurance karta hoon. Ishwararth manushya daan-punya karte hai na."

In English: Otherwise should write so much biography of ShivBaba. Now you children say - we know biography of Godfather Supreme Soul. Father sits and explains - what I do in Bhaktimarg. In Bhaktimarg also (I) do insurance. People do charity in the name of God is'nt it.
Sakar Murli dt. 12.10.2002, Murli-Khand page 316:
"Yahaan teeno combined hain. Yah koi shastron main likha nahee hai ki wahee Baap Teacher Guru kee goad hai. Baap ne poochha ShivBaba ko Baap hai? kahate hai haan. Achha ShivBaba ko Teacher hai? Guru hai? Naheen. Sirf Maa Baap milte hain. Yah guhya hisab hai."

In English: All three are combined here. This is not written in any Shastras (scriptures) that only is The lap (goad in Hindi) of Father Teacher and Guru. Father asks is there Father to ShivBaba? Says YES. O.K. is there Teacher to ShivBaba? Is there Guru? NO. Gets only Mother Father. This is hidden (or secret) account (or calculation).
Sakar Murli dt. 21.3.73, page 1:
"Bhagawat ke saath Gita, Gita ke saath phir Mahabharat ladayee ka connection hai."

In English: There is connection of Gita with Bhagawat, and fighting (war) with Gita.
Please spread this message.

Awaiting your replies.

Yours,
Anamik.

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Post by arjun » 16 Jan 2007

Dear Anamik Bhai,
Om Shanti. I would respect your beliefs, but out of curiosity, I would like to know if the soul of Dada Lekhraj has taken rebirth as Shri. Satish Mehta? I remember hearing from one of the followers of Shri Satish Mehta that he is the reincarnation of Dada Lekhraj.
I hope you would not mind this querry.
Regards,
OGS,
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Post by john » 16 Jan 2007

And for the those still following the long and winding roads of Yagya Shri Satish Mehta is?

Amaranthine.
Then who is speaking Avyakt Vani since 1969, if Lekhraj Kirpalani has reincarnated?

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Post by john » 16 Jan 2007

Dear Anamik
I am not sure how long admin will let you double post, but until that time I will try and catch you where I can. Who is giving Avyakt Vani since 1969, if the soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani has reincarnated?

I have asked a few questions to you but I don't think you have answered any yet. If I put PBK as my category, will you then take me more seriously, if so, then is that not body consciousness?
Please NOTE: You may get these statements clarified by your elders and/or Dixitj in YES or NO i.e. TRUE or FALSE.
Until you are answering why should anyone else? Shri Anamik ...

anamik

Post by anamik » 18 Jan 2007

arjun wrote:Om Shanti. I would respect your beliefs, but out of curiosity, I would like to know if the soul of Dada Lekhraj has taken rebirth as Shri Satish Mehta?
Dear Arjun,

I really don't know about who is he (Dada Lekharaj) in his next birth. Regarding Satish Mehta, I hear about him first time. I did not know about him untill you wrote. Please tell me more about him, if you don't mind.
John wrote:Then who is speaking Avyakt Vani since 1969, if Dada Lekhraj has reincarnated?
Dear John,

To this my answer is the following Murli point.

Sakar Murli dt. 2.4.85, page 3:

"Tum log Brahman khilate ho. Aatma ko bulate ho na. Yah saari drama main noondh hai. Aise nahee ki Aatma koi shareer chodkar aati hai. Yah rasam riwaaz drama main hai. Ismain moonjhane kee baat nahee."

In English: You people feed brahman (There is custom in India of feeding brahman after death of relatives thinking that the soul comes to have the food through the brahman). Call the Atma, is not it. All this is recorded in the drama. It is not that the soul comes leaving it's (next) body. This custom is in the drama. There is nothing to confuse in it.

Yours,
Anamik.

anamik

Post by anamik » 18 Jan 2007

John wrote:Then who is speaking Avyakt Vani since 1969, if Dada Lekhraj has reincarnated?
Dear John,
To this my answer is the following Murli point.

Sakar Murli dt. 2.4.85, page 3:
"Tum log Brahman khilate ho. Aatma ko bulate ho na. Yah saari drama main noondh hai. Aise nahee ki Aatma koi shareer chodkar aati hai. Yah rasam riwaaz drama main hai. Ismain moonjhane kee baat nahee."

In English: You people feed brahman (There is custom in India of feeding brahman after death of relatives thinking that the soul comes to have the food through the brahman). Call the Aatma, is'nt it. All this is recorded in the drama. It is not that the soul comes leaving it's (next) body. This custom is in the drama. There is nothing to confuse in it.
Yours,
Anamik.

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Post by john » 18 Jan 2007

Anamik wrote:In English: You people feed brahman (There is custom in India of feeding brahman after death of relatives thinking that the soul comes to have the food through the brahman). Call the Aatma, is'nt it. All this is recorded in the drama. It is not that the soul comes leaving it's (next) body. This custom is in the drama. There is nothing to confuse in it.
Anamik
That is strange because I have read the same Murli point saying the soul does come, but doesn't tell where it has gone to(in new incarnation). If I ever find it I'll post it for comparison.So, are you saying from this Murli point it shows that it is just Dadi Gulzar speaking? Or is it another point contained within the Murli quote?
And with regard to getting verified, it is your choice. Also, there is no need of formalities such as addressing me as Shri. O.K.
I don't think anyone will bother getting it verified because, well, does anyone know you from Adam?

As well as being a forum, I would say that this place is like a little community, usually newcomers introduce themselves a little before moving onto 'take me to your leader' type assertions.

anamik

Post by anamik » 21 Jan 2007

Dear John,
I don't know how and who plays the part of Avyakt BapDada through Gulzar Dadi. I cannot answer your query about it. I just gave you the Murli point. I cannot say more about it. Sorry for not introducing myself before starting to post messages related to knowledge. But I want to remain unknown, at least now.

Yours,
Anamik.

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