john wrote:So ... Dada said his picture of The Tree was to have Roosevelt and Stalin, which would date it between 1933 and 1945. The Original Tree picture we have has Truman and Stalin, which would date it between 1945 and 1953
John is headed in the right direction. What they have done here is a very typical tactic of one kind of liar ... to go on to tell at length a very convincing, extensive story about ANOTHER TRUTH
in order to hide the COVER UP OR LIE
that one really wants to make.
Do I think this was "just" a mistake?
No, not all. I think it has been quite deliberate. It stuns me (but not surprises me) that the Dadis and Dadas could have sat down and connived it together in order to mislead all the BKs, while taking all the praise and respect. And continue to do so for decades.
If you look at the images from theRevised Tree
you can see what is going on here. We see the Gandhi and the Upside-down Tree that Vishwa is talking about and the Presidents of the US and Russia have changed. Stalin has lost his moustache and Truman his spectacles and nose.
I think John is right and it is Eisenhower
and they had to keep changing it as the predictions failed. In the early writings there is NO
mention of Atomic Bombs, that is a later invention. Roosevelt actually died on April 12, 1945 and it was only on August 6, 1945 that the nuclear weapon 'Little Boy' was dropped on Hiroshima. It was top secret before then. We can date the Original Trees (both the hand painted ones
and the block print red on white ones
to around 1949/50. The later red on white ones to just as they were leaving to Madhuban perhaps.
But, you can see in them there is no mention of the details ascribed in the book.
Eisenhower and Khrushchev
We can probably give an approximate date of the English version of the Revised Tree by the centers that were open. There were a number of Hindi verions of this Tree too, see above.
But I have a question first.
In the Original Tree - and I think this must be one of the original 12 hand painted ones I am looking at - one of the eight have their left arm sticking out distinctively. In the Revised Tree, Mama sat next to Dada Lekhraj has her left arm sticking out distinctively. This may be completely misleading but I am wondering if this is significant. That is to say, if the woman in the Original Tree sat next to Dada Lekhraj is not
Om Radhe but perhaps an earlier medium or someone else. May be the SS that Vishwa does not name but who checked the Murli notes Lekhraj Kirpalani wrote ... one of the Golden Circle perhaps? Can we check the 8 on both pictures to see if they are the same ones?
It was my opinion, when I saw the Original Tree, that some was going on here and may be it was not Om Radhe. Om Radhe was never known as a medium, was she. Why the change of positions? One for the PBKs may be ...
OK. that was the question within the context of Lekhraj Kirpalani and trance messengers being consulted over every detail of the Tree. The rest of what I will have to say is backed up with specific dates and so on.