I am not accusing nor attacking andrey here.
paulkershaw wrote:He does give me a feeling though of me being back in a BK classroom and when asking a pertinent question, I get told that, "this is the truth and I should believe in it, or can 'my intellect' not understand the truth???"
The BKs really do think that they are utterly superior to all of the rest of the world and have all the answers. As andrey did say, "that they are right even when they are wrong" because they have the one true god.
In truth, the majority of the Indian ones, or at least the dominant Indian ones I experienced were in reality just lower caste, small hard headed and bigotted - limited let's say - in a manner that is typical of their caste and an embarassment to more intelligent, liberal Indians. And many fairly inexperienced or educated white folks got on on copying whatever they were like. Aping their thoughts, ways and mannerisms down to head shakes, aphorisms and responses to questions. Carbon copy clones for the sake of safety.
Yes, it may be that they have become from a socially revolutionary force in 1930 Sind, a sort of repressive Victorian nunnery. (I also point out here that they were not unique is being a social force for women in India or the Sind at that time). Yes, some are somewhere between daft and stupid ... even if they were able to keep their pants up and legs closed for all their lives.
I know exactly what you are saying Paul. I experienced directly from the chubby inner circle of old virgins that rule their roost. There is this thing that they really are jumping up and down thinking that what they have in their hands is the "diamonds and gold" of Godly wisdom and that anyone that questions it must be ignorant or evil and needs beaten down to size. Push too hard (i.e. question) and they will just ignore to bannish you out of their
reality to go off and mold others to it.
Of course, there were nice, sweet and inoffensive types .. but without a Lekhraj Kirpalani to guide them and balance the family out, the Alpha females have grabbed the guddhis. Many societies are based on the Alpha female model (dominant females). In fact, I would pretty much say that most societies are matriarchal. It is just that the men are too stupid to release that they are being led and controlled by women. :wink: Was it Athens or Rome that the world brought the Empire to its begging knees by collectively withdrawing sexual services? Most orthodox men would and do fall to pieces if and when their woman left them.
Andrey, do you think you were a BK sister from Om Mandli in your past life? Are you not still handing out Pre-War Gyan?
I also underline that women can deeply violate men and give them real pain but would define it as emotional as well as mental. Given the option of a good kicking or long term emotional blackmail, I know which one I would chose. Violence does not need to be visual to exist. There is also the violation of women towards their sons.
Again, I think we need to know more about the reality of relationships in India rather than BK Golden Age theory. No one, especially no Indian BK, has really had the courage to go into this in details. It is a great social taboo in India, as andrey is demonstrating on behalf of the PBKs, and yet it deeply colors the advice and attitudes of the BKWSU.