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On the way to Paramdham

Post by new knowledge » 20 Apr 2008

Dear PBKs, if all our Karmic actions, spiritual efforts (Purushaarth) & RajYoga meditation completely occur within the field of activities of mind, intellect & Sanskaars, so our Karmic actions, spiritual efforts & experiences in RajYoga meditation cannot cross that limit which is beyond the reach of mind, intellect & Sanskaars. And all spiritual efforts & all stages of RajYoga meditation are conscious, thoughtfull processes which result in the awakened stage of a soul with experience of his full consciousness; but the Paramdham is believed to be the dead-silence & thoughtless world where all souls are in complete unconscious stage which is completely beyond the field of activities of mind, intellect & Sanskaars. Now I've a query, how any Karmic action, spiritual effort or RajYoga meditation which is a conscious, thoughtfull process & which depends on (& completely occures within the field of activities of) mind, intellect & Sanskaars ultimately lead to the Paramdham which is unconscious, thoughtless world & beyond the field of activities of mind, intellect & Sanskaars??

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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by arjun » 22 Apr 2008

Dear brother,
Om Shanti. RajYoga, as taught through Murlis, Avyakt Vanis and clarification Murlis involves becoming incorporeal, subtle and corporeal within seconds. The incorporeal stage of RajYoga means thoughtless stage or seed-like stage, which is to be experienced here while living in this world itself for which Baba has said in the Murlis that you will bring the Paramdham (Supreme Abode) to this Earth. It is said in the Murlis that there is no consciousness or feelings of a soul in the inert Supreme Abode. But here, during the Confluence Age, a soul can experience that Paramdham-like stage through practice.
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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by new knowledge » 22 Apr 2008

arjun wrote:It is said in the Murlis there is no consciousness or feelings of a soul in the inert Supreme Abode. But here, during the Confluence Age a soul can experience that Paramdham-like stage through practice.
arjun Bhai, how do you equate Paramdham-like stage (dead-silence stage with no experience of consciousness) with Beej-Roop stage, i.e, Seed-form stage (completely awakened stage with experience of complete consciousness)? Is not the Paramdham-like stage like "Terminated Seed-form stage"? Then how does these terminated seeds (Rudra-Maala souls?) with Paramdham-like stage could sustain the Chaitanya (alive) Kalpa Tree?

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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by new knowledge » 27 Apr 2008

Dear Rudra-Maala souls,

attainment of unlimited peace & bliss in the Abode of the Supreme Father (Paramdham) is the ultimate outcome of spiritual awakening of a Rudra-Maala soul. Paramdham does exist; but it is not 'inert'. Only in Paramdham, Rudra-Maala souls live with their real identity: Sat-Chid-Aanand Swaroop (Truthful-Conscious-Blissful form). Unfortunately, all BKWSU is ignorant to this fact. Only the loveful, blissful & divine activities/sports of the Supreme Father & Rudra-Maala souls in Paramdham are realistic & all activities in the World Drama are dream-like, unrealistic.
Just as all activities in a dream are just imaginary reflections of our everyday activities of the World Drama.; like the same way, the World Drama may be viewed as a 'Unlimited Dream' & all activities of this World Drama are the imaginary reflections of blissful divine sports of Paramdham.

Just as, viewed through our limited sense of meaning, we say that dreams are unrealistic, illusionary & our everyday activities in the World Drama are realistic; similarly, through our unlimited sense of meaning, we could argue that the whole World Drama (which is viewed as a Unlimited Dream) is unrealistic, illusionary, Mayavi & only the blissful divine activities/sports in Paramdham are realistic. We can enjoy dreams, but would we like to always live in dreams?? Definately not. We would like to enjoy our everyday life instead of passing our valuable time in pseudo joyes in dreams. Then through unlimited sense, why should we waste our valuable time in unlimited illusionary (Mayavi), unrealistic joyes of this mundane world? Is it not better to make spiritual efforts to achieve complete awakened stage from the deep sleep of Maya & enjoy the real unlimited joyes of divine blissful sports (Divya Lila) in Paramdham?

Dear Rudra-Maala souls, you can experience Paramdham-like stage here in this world; but that's just like a model stage (rehearsal) of our practical identity (Beej-Roop stage) in Paramdham, the real Beej-Roop stage could not be experienced here in the mundane world.
The present Confluence Age Drama is not a model of the Broad Drama, but it is a model of the future blissful divine sports of the Supreme Father & Radra-Maala souls in Paramdham. This is the secret of the Murli statement "Bhavishya ka guhya drama Sangam par repeat hotaa hai" meaning the mysterious drama of the future (future divine sports of the Supreme Father with Rudra-Maala souls in Paramdham) repeats (just as a rehearsal/model) in the Confluence Age (in the form divine sports of the Supreme Father & Rudra-Maala & other souls in His contact as the result of Shrimat & RajYoga meditation). Read the Murli point "Rehearsal yahaan hogee fir vahaan practical part bajaanaa hai" (Murli date. 28-2-98) meaning rehearsal (of blissful divine sports in Paramdham) will take here (in the Confluence Age) then practicle part (the real blissful divine sports) is to be played there (in Paramdham).

This is my very personal churning of knowledge based of the quotations from Murlis & holy scriptures of verious religions & you are free to completely ignore it.

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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by arjun » 27 Apr 2008

new knowledge wrote:Read the Murli point "Rehearsal yahaan hogee fir vahaan practical part bajaanaa hai" (Murli date. 28-2-98) meaning rehearsal (of blissful divine sports in Paramdham) will take here (in the Confluence Age) then practicle part (the real blissful divine sports) is to be played there (in Paramdham).
How can it be practical without a body in the Supreme Abode (Paramdham)? I suppose Baba is talking about the broad drama of 5000 years when He says that the rehearsal will take place here and the practical part will be played there.

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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by new knowledge » 27 Apr 2008

arjun wrote:How can it be practical without a body in the Supreme Abode (Paramdham)?
Do you believe that each & every conscious action takes place only through the physical body? There is no any type of body in Paramdham, but we enjoyes the divine sports in Paramdham through our Noori Swaroop, as explained in the scriptures. I am not clear about this Noori Swaroop. I'll collect info about it & quote the same here.
I suppose Baba is talking about the broad drama of 5000 years when He says that the rehearsal will take place here and the practical part will be played there.
Brother, rehearsal is only the advertisement of the practical. Rehearsal is like model of the practical. A real fact is more attractive that its model. So, the practical must be more attractive & more mysterious than & superior to its rehearsal. Now, if the broad drama is viewed as practical & the Confluence Age Drama as its rehearsal, then obviously, the broad drama should be more attractive & mysterious than & superior to the Confluence Age Drama. But this fact goes against BKWSU philosophy as BKWSU believes that the Confluence Age Drama is more attractive & mysterious than & superior to the broad drama.

Also according the Murli point, the mysterious drama of the future repeats in the Confluence Age Drama. This Murli point indicates that the the future drama is mysterious than the Confluence Age Drama. Now, if you consider the broad drama of 5000 years as future drama, then the broad drama becomes more mysterious than the Confluence Age Drama, which goes against your beliefs. Are your Confluence Diamond Aged spiritual efforts aimed at bringing low quality 4 ages of the broad drama?? Then what is that future mysterious drama which repeats in the Confluence Age?

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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by new knowledge » 28 Apr 2008

Due to the illusionary spectacles of Maya, false appears as truth & truth appears as false. Paramdham, which is flooded with conscious blissful sports of God with souls, is viewed as either an unconscious, inert & a 'dead-silence' world or just imaginary; and this mundane world drama, which is unrealistic, perishable & illusionary, is viewed as realistic, enjoyable & eternal. 'The Eternal World Drama' is a false concept. Everything in this world drama is perishable, then how should the world drama (as a whole) be eternal. Due to the spectacles of Maya, the perishable material world drama looks like eternal. The whole Kalpa Tree is subject to 'final dissolution (Mahaa Pralay). Only Paramdham & divine sports of Paramdham are eternal & practical.

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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by new knowledge » 29 Apr 2008

Dear arjun Bhai, what is your concept of
1) Aadi - Anaadi &
2) Anta-Ananta
with reference to advance knowledge. Your comments are essential for discussion about Paramdham.

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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by new knowledge » 29 Apr 2008

Not only 5 vices are forms of Maya, but all worldly pleasures, worldly love are also forms of Maya. Even the Golden or Silver Age drama is nothing more than the incognito version of Maya. To set the goal of achieving the title of enpire or empress in the Golden Age heaven, in the minds of Rudra or Vijay Maala souls, is an incognito strategy of cunning Maya to deceive & to caught them in her trap & to divert their mind from the real Godly love & eternal bliss of Paramdham.

Actually only the joyful, loveful & awakeful sports of Paramdham are real, 'Anaadi-Anant' (without beginning & end, i.e, eternal), practical & mysterious in true sense. And the bliss, peace & love of God which we receive here in this perishable Mayavi World Drama, only in the Confluence Age, is just the display or model or rehearsal or advertisement of the real & practical divine blissful sports of our true Home - Paramdham, which is the final goal of all honest spiritual efforts. So it is stated in Murli that "Rehearsal (of eternal divine sports of Paramdham) will take place (as an advertisement to inspire us to remember our true Home & Supreme Father) here (in this Mayavi, perishable mundane world, only in the Confluence Age), then practical part (real eternal divine sports) is to be played there (in Paramdham)".

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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by new knowledge » 30 Apr 2008

According to a BK scientist (I don't remember his name) of SPARC, Mt. Abu, just as this material universe has 3 dimensions of space & 1 dimension of time, Paramdham possesses just 1 dimension of space & 3 dimensions of time. But does any aspect of the realm of Paramdham come under the mathematical interpretation???

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Rehearsal & Practical

Post by new knowledge » 01 May 2008

Dear Rudra-Maala souls, we believe in cyclic nature of time & it is also believed by some BKWSU cults that the shooting of 4 ages of the broad drama & also that of the Confluence Age takes place in the Confluence Age. In other words, the shooting of the whole World Drama of 5,000 years takes place during 100 years of the Confluence Age.

Now, imagine a geometrical circle before your eyes. Suppose that the point O is the center of the circle & A, B, C, D & E are 5 points located somewhere on the circumference of that circle, such that these 5 points divide the the circle into 5 (equal/unequal) sectors. Suppose sectors AOB, BOC, COD, DOE & EOA represent the Golden, Silver, Copper, Iron & the Confluence Age respectively. Now, if the shooting of the 4 ages of broad drama & also that of the Confluence Age take place in the Confluence Age, then the secctor EOA may represent all the 5 sectors (AOB, BOC, COD, DOE & EOA), i.e, the sector EOA may represent the whole circle.
Is this possible that the attrributes of a circle, as a whole, may be completely represented by its any sector? To be a complete representative of a circle, a sector of that circle must have complete circular path, i.e, the angular measurement of that sector must be 360 degrees, but the sector EOA does not have a shape of a complete circle; then how could it represent the whole circle, i.e, how could sector EOA represent all the sectors AOB, BOC, COD, DOE & EOA, in aggregate? Even in the picture of the Wheel of Drama, the Confluence Age is shown by a small sector of the Wheel having angular measurement of just 15 or 20 degrees; then how can such a small sector represent the whole Wheel of 360 degrees, i.e, how can the shooting of the complete circular broad drama repeat in the Confluence Age (which does not have complete circular path of 360 degrees)?

Then what is that mysterious drama of future which repeats in the Confluence Age?

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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by new knowledge » 01 May 2008

* What is the relevance of such a 'dead-silence' Paramdham (as believed in BKWSU) in the spiritual efforts (Purusharth) of the Brahmin community?
* Why is it refered as 'Param-dham' (Supreme Abode?
* In what sense, i.e, with respect to what attributes, is it (Paramdham) Supreme?
* If it is really 'Supreme Abode', then why do PBKs oppose to remember the 'Supreme Abode' in RajYoga meditation?

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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by new knowledge » 04 May 2008

how should the drama of this mundane world be regarded as 'Eternal World Drama'? This world drama is believed to be 'pre-ordained', i.e, 'pre-planned'. Then how should anything which is eternal be pre-ordained, i.e, pre-planned? Only the bliss, peace & love in Paramdham is eternal in true sense.

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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by arjun » 06 May 2008

new knowledge wrote:* What is the relevance of such a 'dead-silence' Paramdham (as believed in BKWSU) in the spiritual efforts (Purusharth) of the Brahmin community?
* Why is it refered as 'Param-dham' (Supreme Abode?
* In what sense, i.e, with respect to what attributes, is it (Paramdham) Supreme?
* If it is really 'Supreme Abode', then why do PBKs oppose to remember the 'Supreme Abode' in RajYoga meditation?
Brother,
Om Shanti. Since the BKs do not have the company of God in corporeal form, remembrance of God in the 'dead silence' Paramdham also helps them in experiencing temporary peace and bliss.

Since the PBKs have realized the chaitanya (living) Paramdhaam, they remember the Supreme Father through the body of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. They have the knowledge of the non-living Paramdham, but they remember the living one. The praises/glory of non-living Paramdham, as described by BKs/devotees of outside world apply to the living Paramdham.

It is a Supreme Abode in a sense that it is higher than all other living abodes. For every soul, its body is an abode. Among all these abodes the body that the Supreme Father takes on loan to transform the entire world, to bestow the inheritance of mukti and jeevanmukti is/will prove to be the Supreme Abode.

With regards,
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Re: On way to Paramdham

Post by new knowledge » 06 May 2008

* Do you have any Murli or Avyakt Vani point or quotation from the Holy book of any religion to support the existance of two Paramdhams - 1) living Paramdham (body of the Chariot) & 2) non-living Paramdham?
* And why do you entitle the non-living Paramdham as 'Paramdham', i.e, with respect to which attributes is that Param (Supreme)?
* And.....and why is it necessary to visit that non-living Paramdham when a soul gets liberated?

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