new knowledge wrote:today one of my PBK friend told me that there is no subtle body in the Golden & Silver Age; and that the subtle bodies get shaped (due to karmic accounts?) from the Copper Age. Thus, when a soul incarnates (from Paramdham) on the earth, during the period of the Golden or Silver Age, it directly gets a corporeal body in the womb of his mother without passing through subtle body stage. But if that soul incarnates here in the Copper or Iron Age, he do not enter into the womb; he first enters into a readymade corporeal body of another soul, in that body, his subtle body gets shaped & then he takes a physical birth by entering into the womb.
1) Is this in accordance of Murlis & Avyakt Vanis or Ved-Shashras?
2) If the subtle body is the outcome of the negative Karmic accounts (from the Copper Age), why.....why, Farishtas (फरिश्ता) are viewed in the subtle bodies even though their Karmic accounts have been settled & they have no any Sanskaars of negativity?
3a) If a soul is unscious in the Paramdham & he cannot awake in his consciousness without entering into a corporeal body, why the corporeal body is termed as the gross body which is inert? How can the gross/inert body be the medium to awake the soul in his conscious stage? 3b)If this is so, does not this logically mean that the more the affinity towards inert/corporeal body, the more the consciousness a soul achieves?? 3)And as the entrance of a soul into an inert body awakes(?) the consciousness within a soul, why to practise to detach from body-consciousness? Why not to practise to be more & more body-conscious?
4) How do Golden Aged souls awakes in their full conscious, 16 degree Sato-pradhaan stage, within no time, when they incarnate on the earth from Paramdham where they are supposed to be complete unconscious ??
Dear new knowledge soul,
First of all, I respect your very high independent thinking and churning. But I am trying to reply according to my capacity.
1)Better PBKs only answer to this. But I would like to ask an additional question here. So acording to PBKs, for a soul that takes just one birth in a Kalpa does not enter in mothers' womb. Can we give title AYONIJ
2)I am not sure whether subtle body exists in heaven. But most probably there is a Murli point that says animals do not have subtle bodies. One arguement can be:- A sinner as well as the one who conquers sin use mind and intellects to a considerable extent. One uses negatively, the other positively. So extra or more(whatever you can say) consciousness, subtle body can be formed. Deities are like buddus(ignorant). There is no extra thinking.
3a)Car is definitely jada(inert). As soon as driver enters/uses it become active.
3b)Correct. BKs are said to forget the present body. Murli says to remember 84 cars(births= bodies). So as one thinks more bodies, he becomes more soul conscious. But if one is caught in present body, it is indication of bodyconsciousness. A driver shopuld not be caught/influenced in/by one car.
4)It is like sprouting of a seed. It can remain in same stage. When it comes in comapny of water, it sprouts. It is also like switching on a battery. When a load is connected to bulb, immediately current flows and bulb glows. Similarly when soul enters a body, there is experience in soul as well as energy in body.
All of us are in search of extra-sensory pleasures (अतिन्द्रिय सुख) which is eternal - long long lasting. Is it possible to have such long long lasting extra-sensory pleasures through the bio-chemical mechanism of the mortal/perishable corporeal human body? In other words, is it necessary to enter into a corporeal body to achieve the eternal extra-sensory pleasures? But extra-sensory pleasures mean that which cannot be achieved through the medium of the bodily sense-organs; and those pleasures achieved through bodily sense-organs are termed as 'sensory pleasures (वैषयिक सुख). Then, what's the difference between sensory & extra-sensory pleasures if we have to depend upon corporeal body, as a medium, to have sensory as well as extra-sensory pleasures?
Sensory pleasure is like enjoying spare parts of car and petrol. It is like trying to enjoy by kissing a car.It is like trying to eat seat, handle of a car(Non veg people). [Even veg people who are addicted to taste of food also come in this category indirectly]
Extra sensory pleasure is like enjoying driving and using car to go to picnic spot and enjoying the picnic places. The first is very much limited, second is unlimited.
According to the Advanced Knowledge (as arjunbhai mentions), at the end of the Kalpa, the soul of Ram (Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit) goes to the Paramdham at last, he stays there for few seconds & returns from Paramdham before everybody else; so all souls are present in Paramdham & there is no any soul present in the (corporeal) world drama during that period when the soul of Ram is in Paramdham. And, as there is no actor (soul playing his role) present in the world drama for few seconds when the soul of Ram is in Paramdham, does not this recent churning of the Advanced Knowledge logically prove that the world drama gets a break during the period of those few seconds? How could any drama take place without actors? Thus, the world drama is not Eternal, as it has a break, at the end of the Kalpa.
PBK philosophy may say all the souls are wandering (or lying somewhere in space) just before going to Paramdham(since they have to leave their body before Mr. Dixit and have to wait till Mr. Dixit enters Paramdham). But according to BK philosophy, there will be some souls in corporeal world even when number one soul(Brahma Baba) goes to Paramdham as well as his return to corporeal world. It says there will be impure souls even when Krishna takes birth. So there is no even physical break in drama according to Bk philosophy.
Thank You new knowledge soul once again.