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Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by shivsena » 15 Jul 2009

To all PBK brothers.

There is a controversy among PBKs whether Dada Lekhraj Brahma had become karmatit or not in 1969 !!!!! Either way this belief gives birth to many queries.

To those who believe that Dada Lekhraj Brahma was not karmatit in 1969:

If Dada Lekhraj was not karmatit Farishta in 1969, then according to the worldly rule he should have taken another body just like a non-karmatit soul, to settle his karmic accounts through that body. But PBKs believe that he now plays his part by entering Baba Dixit.
If Dada Lekhraj is not karmatit, then how come he can enter another body(Virendra Dev Dixit) and then leave that body and enter Dadi Gulzar to narrate avaykt Vanis and then re-enter in Virendra Dev Dixit.(only a karmatit Farishta can leave or enter another body at will.)
If Dada Lekhraj has not become karmatit, then who is the soul which is refered to as "Bap-samaan karmatit awastha" in many av. Vanis.

To all PBKs who believe that Dada Lekhraj Brahma was karmatit in 1969.

Dada Lekhraj was a broken man after the demise of Mama Saraswati in 1965 and he could not control the Yagya and he was aware that the Yagya was degrading and so he succumbed to heart attack on 18th jan 1969 when the final blow(trust deed) was shown to him. So how can a soul who had no 'sakshi bhav' and no control over the children, be called karmatit.

Murli says "naa dukh do, naa dukh lo"; It is true that Dada Lekhraj did not give any dukh(sorrow) to anybody, but can we say that he did not receive any dukh(sorrow) from the children of the Yagya. So if he received dukh from his children then his karmic accounts were not over and so he could not have become karmatit in 1969 as most PBKs believe.

Advance knowledge teaches that Krishna' soul(Dada Lekhraj) is not included in 108 rudrabeads. 108 souls are still doing purusharth and Krishna is also studying RajYoga through body of Virendra Dev Dixit(as per advance knowledge); so how can Krishna Dada Lekhraj become karmatit and then study RajYoga through another body.

Dada Lekhraj becomes karmatit after leaving the body, while 108 souls will become karmatit in the end through their own bodies, and Vanis also say that karmatit awastha means "jeete ji marna" (die a living death), so how can we say that Dada Lekhraj had become karmatit in 1969. Did he die a living death !!!!

And last but most important, according to advance knowledge, Ram is no. 1 soul and Sangamyugi Krishna and after him are 108 rudrabeads and then comes Krishna-Dada Lekhraj(child-first prince of Satyug), So the most important question is: How can Krishna(child) become karmatit in 1969 before his Father Ram (Sangamyugi Krishna) who had not even come into the Yagya.

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Re: Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by arjun » 15 Jul 2009

If Dada Lekhraj has not become karmatit, then who is the soul which is refered to as "Bap-samaan karmatit awastha" in many av. Vanis.
The soul of Confluence-Aged Ram.

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Re: Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by bansy » 15 Jul 2009

What is karmateet and how is it "measured" ? Does anyone know what is karmateet when they are , ummm, karmateet ? If so, then there is still karma ?

It's a bit like trying to define what is Zen. The moment you try to define Zen, you lost it.

Just a thought (<--- another confused one :laugh: )

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Re: Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by pbkindiana » 16 Jul 2009

bansy wrote:
What is karmateet
karmateet is complete soul conscious stage.
and how is it "measured" ?
16 celestial arts is referred as the karmateet stage.
Does anyone know what is karmateet when they are , ummm, karmateet ? If so, then there is still karma ?
AV. 29.1.75 -- "What is the sign of attainment of karmateet stage? Always successful. Time is also successful, thoughts are aslo successful, contacts and relationships are also succesful. Such a soul is called succesful."

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Re: Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by pbkindiana » 16 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:.
If Dada Lekhraj was not karmatit Farishta in 1969, then according to the worldly rule he should have taken another body just like a non-karmatit soul, to settle his karmic accounts through that body. But PBKs believe that he now plays his part by entering Baba Dixit.
if ghosts can enter in other human beings, then why not the soul of Brahma Dada lekraj
If Dada Lekhraj is not karmatit, then how come he can enter another body(Veerendra Dev Dixit) and then leave that body and enter Dadi Gulzar to narrate avaykt Vanis and then re-enter in Veerendra Dev Dixit.(only a karmatit Farishta can leave or enter another body at will.)
Dada lekraj's soul is being invoked by Dadi Gulzar so he enters into her to narrate Avyakt Vanis. Moreover, the BK Yagya belongs to him, so naturally Dada lekraj has attachment.
If Dada Lekhraj has not become karmatit, then who is the soul which is refered to as "Bap-samaan karmatit awastha" in many av. Vanis.
MU.21.4.04 -- "Pay full attention to yourself .Only through the pilgrimage of remembrance you will become pure. There is no other method. Have full Yoga with the Father who is the Almighty battery. His battery never becomes flat. He doesn't go through the stages of sato. rajo and tamo because He always has the karmateet stage."

Only the soul of Ram will emulate the 100% nirakari stage of the Almighty Battery Shiv to become "Bap-samaan karmateet awastha."

And last but most important, according to Advanced Knowledge, Ram is no. 1 soul and Sangamyugi Krishna and after him are 108 rudrabeads and then comes Krishna-Dada Lekhraj(child-first prince of Satyug),
But if Krishna Dada lekraj still hasn't become complete then the 108 rudrabeads will not become complete too as it is said "Brahma's day is Brahmins day."
So the most important question is: How can Krishna(child) become karmatit in 1969 before his Father Ram (Sangamyugi Krishna) who had not even come into the Yagya.
Good question!

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Re: Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by shivsena » 16 Jul 2009

arjun wrote: "Bap-samaan karmatit awastha" = The soul of Confluence-Aged Ram.
Dear arjun Bhai.

If "Bap samaan karmatit awastha" refers to prajapita(Ram), then this belief gives birth to more logical queries.

1. When did prajapita(Ram) become karmatit farishta ??? ...in 1976 or later !!!

2. When prajapita(Ram) becomes karmatit farishta [ Deh se nyara ie. detached from body], then who takes charge of the body of Baba Dixit ??....is it Shiva or Krishna. !!!!

3. If prajapita(Ram) becomes karmatit sukhma-vatanwasi farishta(angel in Subtle Region) then why do PBKs tell the BKs that prajapita cannot be in Subtle Region??

4. Once prajapita becomes karmatit farishta (Vani se pare in sukhma-vatan), then how does he come in Vani and indulge in question-answer sessions as believed in advance knowledge.

5. If prajapita (Ram) becomes karmatit farishta, then who is the personality Bharat ???

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Re: Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by shivsena » 16 Jul 2009

pbkindiana wrote: if ghosts can enter in other human beings, then why not the soul of Brahma Dada lekraj.
indie.
If Dada Lekhraj has become a ghost, then who is the ghost in Murli point (29-11-03) which says : "Ghost Maya ka dhanda hi hai parampita paramatma se bemukh karna." So is Dada Lekhraj(Krishna) playing the role of Ghost Maya whose main business is to lead the souls away from Supreme Father !!!

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Post by bansy » 16 Jul 2009

AV. 29.1.75 -- "What is the sign of attainment of karmateet stage? Always successful. Time is also successful, thoughts are aslo successful, contacts and relationships are also succesful. Such a soul is called succesful."
But you still would not kow that you reached such a stage. ;-)

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Re: Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by shivsena » 17 Jul 2009

pbkindiana wrote:
Dada lekraj's soul is being invoked by Dadi Gulzar so he enters into her to narrate Avyakt Vanis. Moreover, the BK Yagya belongs to him, so naturally Dada lekraj has attachment.
indie.
Who invokes Dada Lekhraj...is it the BKs!!!...and for what purpose ??

In the last few years Dada Lekhraj knew that the Yagya was degrading and children are following their own mat, then what sort of attachment does he have for the BKs, which is pulling him to narrate avaykt Vanis in mt abu.

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Re: Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by arjun » 17 Jul 2009

1. When did prajapita(Ram) become karmatit farishta ??? ...in 1976 or later !!!
Later on. But we can see the indications even now and follow him.
2. When prajapita(Ram) becomes karmatit farishta [ Deh se nyara ie. detached from body], then who takes charge of the body of Baba Dixit ??....is it Shiva or Krishna. !!!!
Every Brahmin soul endeavours to surrender his/her body to Shiv and not to any human soul.

The other questions are not applicable in view of above.

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Re: Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by shivsena » 17 Jul 2009

arjun wrote: Every Brahmin soul endeavours to surrender his/her body to Shiv and not to any human soul.
All Murlis say "man-mana-bhav" ie stay in your house and surrender your mind to me.(ghar-grashta mein rahkar man-buddhi se mujhe Yaad karo.) and you say that every Brahmin wishes to surrender his body. Is that what advance knowledge teaches ; BTW what is Shiva doing with the surrendered body of Ram.

I cannot understand, when Ram(prajapita) becomes karmatit (detached from his own body), then why should Shiva get attached to that body (which Ram has got detached). Logically speaking, some other human soul(Krishna) should take over that body, not Supreme Soul Shiva.
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Post by pbkindiana » 21 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:
Who invokes Dada Lekhraj...is it the BKs!!!...and for what purpose ??
if not the BKs, who else?

purpose -- most probably the BKs want to impress the others that Shiv is still coming to their world despite the demise of Dada lekraj.
In the last few years Dada Lekhraj knew that the Yagya was degrading and children are following their own mat, then what sort of attachment does he have for the BKs, which is pulling him to narrate avaykt Vanis in mt abu.
how does Dada lekraj know that the Yagya is degrading as he has never spoken about the degradation of the BK Yagya in the Vanis.

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Post by pbkindiana » 21 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:
I cannot understand, when Ram(prajapita) becomes karmatit (detached from his own body),
This study is all about getting back into soul consciousness from body consciousness in your very own body, that is to get back to the original stage (the seed stage). To become karmatit is not to let go of your body to others.
then why should Shiva get attached to that body (which Ram has got detached).
Shiv never gets attached to Ram's body and Incorporeal Shiv needs a body to narrate True Gita as He doesn't have His own body and also for revelation to take place. How could Shivjayanthi surface without a corporeal body?
Logically speaking, some other human soul(Krishna) should take over that body, not Supreme Soul Shiva.
So when you attain your karmatit stage, will another soul be in-charge of your body? When you have attained the karmatit stage, you become powerful that no other souls (without bodies ) will enter and control you. Your soul has become the master of its own body and whatever you say will strike the target instantly. When Ram has become karmatit, then Brahma alias Krishna will attain perfection too and will leave Ram and enter into the body of Jagadhamba to play the role of Jagadhamba as it is said "this Brahma is your mother but the body is male."

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Re: Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by arjun » 21 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:All Murlis say "man-mana-bhav" ie stay in your house and surrender your mind to me.(ghar-grashta mein rahkar man-buddhi se mujhe Yaad karo.) and you say that every Brahmin wishes to surrender his body. Is that what Advanced Knowledge teaches ; BTW what is Shiva doing with the surrendered body of Ram.
Don't the Murlis and Avyakt Vanis ask children to surrender their body, mind and wealth to Baba?
Shiv is using the body of Ram to narrate knowledge.
I cannot understand, when Ram(prajapita) becomes karmatit (detached from his own body), then why should Shiva get attached to that body (which Ram has got detached). Logically speaking, some other human soul(Krishna) should take over that body, not Supreme Soul Shiva.
Why will Shiv get attached to Ram's body if He enters in him to narrate knowledge? If He too becomes attached then who will liberate all the souls from attachment?

There is no logic in your thinking that whenever a person becomes karmatit, his body should be taken over by another soul. According to your logic, the number of human souls will have to be doubled at the end of Confluence Age. :laugh: I agree with pbkindiana that when someone becomes karmatit, no other soul will be able to enter and control that body.

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Re: Dada Lekhraj Brahma: Karmatit or not in 1969!!

Post by shivsena » 22 Jul 2009

Dear BK and PBK brothers.

Shiva says in Murli: "I enter the body of no. 1 lustful thorn."
To all BK brothers who believe that Dada Lekhraj was no. 1 patit kami kanta(thorn) in 1937:

Was Dada Lekhraj no. 1 lustful thorn when Shiva descended in 1937 on this earth; What is the criteria to label Dada Lekhraj as no. 1 lustful thorn. There must have been many more lustful thorns in the world at that time and so why Shiva only selects Dada Lekhraj and not any other soul.

To all PBK brothers who believe that Baba dixit(Ram's soul) was no 1 patit kami kanta in 1969:

Was Virendra Dixit(27 year old bachelor) no. 1 lusful thorn when Shiv+Krishna entered him in 1969. What is the objective criteria for someone to be labelled as no. 1 lustful thorn.

Views of my brothers are awaited.
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