Brahmins or shudras: 1st birth or 84th birth?

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Brahmins or shudras: 1st birth or 84th birth?

Post by shivsena » 07 Oct 2006

Dear BK and PBK brothers.

It has been said many times in Murlis that, "Father comes and gives you 21 births inheritance of mukti and jeevan-mukti". Then again it has been said in Murlis that, ''Father comes to make you ever-healthy, ever-wealthy, and ever-happy for next 21 births". Then again it has been said that, ''you will not fall ill for the next 21 births".

Now these Murli points, if churned deeply, give a very clear message that the part of Father (Ram ShivBaba) or Bindi ShivBaba (as believed by most BKs and PBKs) as Bap-teacher-Satguru has still not started for the simple reason that, if the GodFather's part has started, then we should should be experiencing the practical proof of the above 3 points mentioned. But the fact is that none of the BKs or PBKs have received inheritance of any sort in the present life and both are still sailing in the same boat of ignorance (Brahma ki raat).

If PBKs say that the part of bap-teacher Satguru has started form 1976 or from 1989 then it should be auspicious Confluence Age for PBKs and they have to experience bliss and good health in all respects. But practically it is not so. On other hand, PBKs also believe that the shooting period of Copper Age started from 1989 and then the shooting period of Kaliyug started from 2000 onwards. So my dillemma is, how can shooting and auspicious Confluence Age be together simultaneously. Just as in the broad drama of 5000 years, Sangamyug follows Kaliyug, then logically in the subtle drama the auspicious Confluence Age has to follow after the Kaliyugi shooting ends.

So the question arises which period are we passing through and which is this present birth of we PBKs? If it is Kaliyugi shooting then we are still behad ka shudras(84th birth) and the part of Bap-teacher-Satguru has not started and we are still passing through the night of Brahma, is it not?!!!And if we are in the Auspicious Confluence Age, and this is our first Brahmin birth then, why have we not received any inheritance from the ShivBaba (Bap-teacher-Satguru) and not having the practical experience of the above points ?

Can any PBK please elucidate who we are at present; Brahmins or shudras?

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Post by arjun » 07 Oct 2006

Shivsena wrote:Can any PBK please elucidate who we are at present : Brahmins or shudras !!!
Om Shanti. We are definitely not Shudras now because we have recognized the Supreme Father and have taken a vow of purity. But at the same time we are not 100 percent Brahmins because we sometimes violate the vow of purity (in thoughts / vision / words / actions) that we have taken and thus cause the Shudra sanskars to emerge.

That is why Baba says that there cannot be any rosary for the Brahmins, because they pass through the up and down stage.
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Post by shivsena » 07 Oct 2006

Dear arjun Bhai.

It is amazing to note that inspite of the Omnipotent God Shiva with us we are still shunting between the stages of Shudra and Brahmin. Sometimes we become Kaliyugi and sometimes we become Sangamyugi. That is an interesting concept which i will have to find out if there is any reference to it in the Murlis (ek second mein Kaliyugi and ek second mein Sangamyugi).

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Post by andrey » 30 May 2007

Baba (via Lekhraj Kirpalani, via Virendra Dev Dixit) says, "I am the boatman. I take the boat of both your soul and body across. We have to remember the new world and forget the old world".

Confluence Age is sometimes to be in the old world with the mind and intellect and sometimes in the new world. When we will get across, in this birth and body, we will receive the first birth. Baba via Virendra Dev Dixit says, now we have to forget even the Confluence Age. When the mind is without thoughts this vibration purifies the body and matter.

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Post by andrey » 18 Jul 2007

Brother new-world raised the topic somewhere about 84 births and complete 84 births. Baba says that complete 84 births is for 450,000 souls who transform themselves (their souls and bodies). And those who take birth through them also take 84 births.

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Re: Brahmins or shudras: 1st birth or 84th birth?

Post by andrey » 21 Apr 2008

In one VCD it is said that with the intellect it will be said that 5000 years get over when the cycle of 84 births becomes clear. With the body it is when based on knowledge there is victory over matter.

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Re: Brahmins or shudras: 1st birth or 84th birth?

Post by prbrku » 26 May 2008

If a soul leaves the body in this birth itself it means it had been its 83rd birth, but there are various souls who after leaving the body they don't get rebirth but play the part of entering. They could even be souls who take lesser births. At the end, they will leave back for Paramdham and those souls who take the complete 84 births will stay

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Re: Brahmins or shudras: 1st birth or 84th birth?

Post by arjun » 26 May 2008

Dear prbrku,
Om Shanti and welcome to the forum. I hope to you would enjoy reading the forum and participating in the discussions.
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Re: Brahmins or shudras: 1st birth or 84th birth?

Post by shivsena » 19 Jun 2008

Dear arjun Bhai.

Which is Krishna's 84th birth and which is Ram's 84th birth?

BKs believe that Lekhraj Kirpalani was Krishna's 84th birth and PBKs believe that Virendra Dev Dixit is Ram's 84th birth.
Also PBKs believe that Krishna is playing a role in the body of Virendra Dev Dixit ( role is still not specified);
My query : Is the praveshta of Krishna in Virendra Dev Dixit to be considered a 'praveshta birth' and if it is so, then is it the 85th birth of Krishna ????

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Who is superior: Farishta(angels) or Devta !!!

Post by shivsena » 09 Aug 2009

indiana wrote:Subtle angels are not the perfect stage as angels are not worshipped in Hinduism.
Dear indiana.

I wanted to start this controversial topic of Farishta and Devtas and since you have said that Subtle angels are not perfect stage, then do you believe that devtas are perfect stage and are superior to farishtas.

Can all PBKs please share their views on this very controversial topic.
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Re: Who is superior: Farishta(angels) or Devta !!!

Post by pbkindiana » 12 Aug 2009

shivsena wrote:
I wanted to start this controversial topic of Farishta and Devtas and since you have said that Subtle angels are not perfect stage, then do you believe that devtas are perfect stage and are superior to farishtas.
This topic had already been discussed in the ex-BK info. Since you have so much time for searching Murli quotes and Avyakt Vanis to condemn advanced knowledge which is futile, why not use that precious time to search for this topic in the archives.
Can all PBKs please share their views on this very controversial topic.
So that you can use this opportunity to belittle the PBKs' views. Most PBKs have disinterest in sharing their views with you as most of them are aware of your condemning mentality.

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Re: Who is superior: Farishta(angels) or Devta !!!

Post by shivsena » 13 Aug 2009

Dear indiana,

What is wrong if there is repetition of important posts, as the concept of farishta and devta is not very well understood by many BKs and PBKs.

In Murlis it is mentioned many times "manushya se devta karat naa lagi vaar" and "manushya se devta in one second" and it is also mentioned in Vanis that "Brahmin so farishta so devta".

Do the above statements mean one and the same thing or they are different.
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Re: Who is superior: Farishta(angels) or Devta !!!

Post by pbkindiana » 15 Aug 2009

shivsena wrote:
What is wrong if there is repetition of important posts, as the concept of farishta and devta is not very well understood by many BKs and PBKs.

In Murlis it is mentioned many times "manushya se devta karat naa lagi vaar" and "manushya se devta in one second" and it is also mentioned in Vanis that "Brahmin so farishta so devta".

Do the above statements mean one and the same thing or they are different.
I rather read Sakar Murli quotes to get the hidden meanings of Shiv's sermons than posting my views on repeated posts. Write to the ex- PBKs and get their views as it looks you have understood Supreme Father Shiv's sermons better than the BKs and PBKs.

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Re: Who is superior: Farishta(angels) or Devta !!!

Post by shivsena » 15 Aug 2009

pbkindiana wrote: Write to the ex- PBKs and get their views as it looks you have understood Supreme Father Shiv's sermons better than the BKs and PBKs.
indie.
I am in the process of understanding Shiva's sermons in Murlis and Brahma's avaykt Vanis fully by reading them repeatedly and though i have not completely understood them, i am in a much better position today than i was as a BK or PBK, as i now know that both interpretations are untruth and final truth is still to come.

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Re: Who is superior: Farishta(angels) or Devta !!!

Post by pbkindiana » 15 Aug 2009

shivsena wrote:
i am in a much better position today than i was as a BK or PBK, as i now know that both interpretations are untruth and final truth is still to come.
Yes, I can see your better position today in sangam yug is by having Yaad with the dead personality of Brahma Dada Lekraj.

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