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Gita patshalas or Gadbad shalas ???

Post by shivsena » 26 Jul 2009

Dear pbk brothers.

I just read a very stunning Vani point and wish to share it with you.

Av. Vani 24-4-84 says :" Dwapur se toh gadbad shala mein chakkar lagate rahe; ab gadbad shala se nikal aaye; abhi kissi prakar ki gadbad shala mein pav nahin rakhna; yeh aise gadbad shala hai ki ek baar pav rakha toh bhul-bhulaya ka khel hai, phir nikalna mushkil ho jaata."[meaning: "From Dwapur(shooting from 1990) you have been visiting gadbad shalas(meaning where corrupted knowledge is given). Now you have come out of these gadbad shalas; now do not step into any of these gadbad shalas; these are such gadbad shalas, that if you step into one of these, then you will get confused(like in a maze); and then it will be very difficult to come out of them."]

In the above point Brahma(Maa) is emerging the 108 souls and clearly warning them, that from Dwapur shooting you(108) have been visiting the gadbad shalas of advance knowledge and now that you have come out of them, never step into them in future, as these are such gadbad shalas (where corrupted knowledge is given) and you will become so confused, that it will be difficult to get out.

If the advance knowledge Gita patshalas were really sacchi Gita patshalas, then why does avaykt brahma warn the potential 108 souls not to attend them. I have not yet read any Vani point where avaykt brahma has any time given any hint to attend any of the sacchi Gita patshalas(as claimed by PBKs); if any pbk can point out any Vani which says so, then please quote the Vani date.

This point should serve an eye-opener to all those PBKs who have not yet started reading the Murlis and Vanis, as the real secrets of knowledge are within them and it is the only way to get out of the maze of advance knowledge(untruth).

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Post by arjun » 26 Jul 2009

Pour out anything (and everything) else that is in your heart - to your heart's content :D

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Re: Gita patshalas or Gadbad shalas ???

Post by pbkindiana » 26 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:
I just read a very stunning Vani point and wish to share it with you.

Av. Vani 24-4-84 says :" Dwapur se toh gadbad shala mein chakkar lagate rahe; ab gadbad shala se nikal aaye; abhi kissi prakar ki gadbad shala mein pav nahin rakhna; yeh aise gadbad shala hai ki ek baar pav rakha toh bhul-bhulaya ka khel hai, phir nikalna mushkil ho jaata."[meaning: "From Dwapur(shooting from 1990) you have been visiting gadbad shalas(meaning where corrupted knowledge is given). Now you have come out of these gadbad shalas; now do not step into any of these gadbad shalas; these are such gadbad shalas, that if you step into one of these, then you will get confused(like in a maze); and then it will be very difficult to come out of them."]

In the above point Brahma(Maa) is emerging the 108 souls and clearly warning them, that from Dwapur shooting you(108) have been visiting the gadbad shalas of Advanced Knowledge and now that you have come out of them, never step into them in future, as these are such gadbad shalas (where corrupted knowledge is given) and you will become so confused, that it will be difficult to get out
How could brahma alias Krishna who is not the head of the 108 rudrabeads emerge them and warn them. Only the Father of the 108 powerful beads has the capability to emerge them.
If the Advanced Knowledge Gita patshalas were really sacchi Gita patshalas, then why does avaykt Brahma warn the potential 108 souls not to attend them. I have not yet read any Vani point where avaykt Brahma has any time given any hint to attend any of the sacchi Gita patshalas(as claimed by PBKs); if any PBK can point out any Vani which says so, then please quote the Vani date.
AV. 28.4.82 --"While maintaining the worldly relationship, the divine relationship should always be in your mind, The worldly relationship should only be instrumental but the divine and incorporeal relationship must be in the mind. It is not the relationship of the body but a relationship of service. You are not living in the household because of the relationship but because of service. It is not your house but the place of service. When you consider it ti be a place of service, then the service will be in your mind."
This point should serve an eye-opener to all those PBKs who have not yet started reading the Murlis and Vanis, as the real secrets of knowledge are within them and it is the only way to get out of the maze of Advanced Knowledge(untruth).
All i can say is that your mind is occupied of when and how to condemn advanced knowledge to the extent that any Murli or Vani points that has caught your attention, you use it to belittle advanced knowledge. I feel so so sorry for you that you are wasting your time and tremendous efforts searching for Murli and Vani quotes just to condemn advanced knolwedge but not to benefit for yourself. By condemning advanced knowledge and pointing a finger at Baba Dixit (Ram), you are falling deeper into the gutter. You are busy searching the Maya in others but you are not able to recognise and control the Maya within you. I feel so sorry for you that you are thinking that you are doing a big favour for the PBKs by trying your utmost level to disconnect their mind from ShivBaba but you don't realize that by doing so your are falling deeper into the gutter.

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Re: Gita patshalas or Gadbad shalas ???

Post by shivsena » 26 Jul 2009

arjun wrote:Pour out anything (and everything) else that is in your heart - to your heart's content :D
Dear arjun Bhai.

When you do not respect even brahma's avaykt Vanis then it is of no use waking you up, as it has been mentioned in Murlis that "Agar brahma bhi neeche utar kar aa jaaye, toh bhi koi koi bacche brahma ki baat bhi nahin manenge". I think you are one of those souls who like to quote about seeing the positive aspect of everything, but who do not like to see the positive aspect of what any bk or ex-BK or ex-pbk wishes to say; you only insist on seeing the positive aspect of advance knowledge, even though a lot of ambiguity and corrupted teachings(contrary to Murlis and Vanis) are pointed out to you.

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Re: Gita patshalas or Gadbad shalas ???

Post by arjun » 26 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:"Agar Brahma bhi neeche utar kar aa jaaye, toh bhi koi koi bacche Brahma ki baat bhi nahin manenge"
So, you have become a Brahma, too. :D

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Re: Gita patshalas or Gadbad shalas ???

Post by shivsena » 26 Jul 2009

Dear indiana.

You are repeatedly comparing the narration of Sakar Murlis(with interference of Lekhraj Kirpalani) to the interference of Krishna in advance knowledge given by Shiva. But the two cannot be compared as there is a vast difference between them.

Shiva spoke Murlis(milk of knowledge) which were only diluted by Dada Lekhraj with his own manmat, but in advance knowledge there is no dilution, but wrong interpretation of Murli points which amounts to poisoning and adulterating the pure milk of knowledge(Sakar Murlis). Baba dixit himself says in cassettes that if you add a drop of poison in pure milk then the whole milk becomes poison, and that is exactly what is happening in advance knowledge. The first drops of poison is to teach that Ram is prajapita, Ram is Bharat, Ram is no. 1 patit and so on and so forth. These statements have never been made in Murlis and they are just the creation of mayavi Krishna who has been given the part of "Maya ka royal ishwariya roop" to mislead(test) the PBKs to see who is using their own intellect and who is just hearing advance knowledge blindly. Only the hans buddhi(swan intellect) will see the difference between brahma interfering in Shiva's Murlis and Krishna interfering in advance clarifications and only hans buddhi will be able to see the gems of knowledge(milk) in Murlis, even though they have been diluted by brahma's mat.

Also i do not understand why all powerful God Shiva would allow interference of Krishna second time in advance knowledge, when Shiva already knew that Krishna has interfered first time he narrated the Sakar Murlis; both the narration have taken the BKs/PBKs in girti kalaa, so when will the third narration occur which will give the children the true nectar of knowledge and take the children in chadti kalaa.

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Re: Gita patshalas or Gadbad shalas ???

Post by pbkindiana » 27 Jul 2009

shivsena wrote:
You are repeatedly comparing the narration of Sakar Murlis(with interference of Lekhraj Kirpalani) to the interference of Krishna in Advanced Knowledge given by Shiva.
It is you who is constantly denigrating advanced knowledge when you very well know that brahma Dada lekraj is interfering in it. Also you are instigating the PBKs not to read advanced knowledge when the PBKs themselves don't find it as a problem reading advanced knowledge.
But the two cannot be compared as there is a vast difference between them.


The only difference is :- Sakar Murlis is just being narrated and advanced knowledge is the churnings but the truth is, no knowledge can be called as the "True Gita" when there is interference by another soul who has not attained the 100% nirakari stage.

Baba dixit himself says in cassettes that if you add a drop of poison in pure milk then the whole milk becomes poison, and that is exactly what is happening in Advanced Knowledge. The first drops of poison is to teach that Ram is prajapita, Ram is Bharat, Ram is no. 1 patit and so on and so forth.


What baba dixit is saying that when soul who has a non-nirakari stage interferes, then that knowledge is regarded as poison

Only the hans buddhi(swan intellect) will see the difference between Brahma interfering in Shiva's Murlis and Krishna interfering in advance clarifications and only hans buddhi will be able to see the gems of knowledge(milk) in Murlis, even though they have been diluted by Brahma's mat.


only the hans buddhi will never point a finger at anyone but will have the power of assimilation to expand themselves in the churning field. If you really want to have a hans buddhi, then do not bring in or belittle any groups. Lets just have exchange of views with Murli or Vani quotes only but if you still have the 'old habit' of condemning advanced knowledge, then go ahead condemning and that will lead you more to your downfall. As you have said "as one finger point at others, then the other three fingers will point back at us" which i like this phrase, so it is up to you whether you want to have a hans buddhi or a crow buddhi.

Also i do not understand why all powerful God Shiva would allow interference of Krishna second time in Advanced Knowledge, when Shiva already knew that Krishna has interfered first time he narrated the Sakar Murlis; both the narration have taken the BKs/PBKs in girti kalaa, so when will the third narration occur which will give the children the true nectar of knowledge and take the children in chadti kalaa.


I feel when it is brahma ki raat, then no knowledge can be true and when it is brahma ki din, then true Gita will be narrated. But can we say that there is completely no chadti kalaa in our stages? Ask yourself that what was your stage when you first came to sangam yug and currently; compare it -- if your churnings has become advanced, is it not regarded as chadti kalaa. If we are thinking more of knowledge than of lokik world, then is not it considered as chadti kalaa? In any aspect, we rise slowly and not instantly.

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Re: Gita patshalas or Gadbad shalas ???

Post by shivsena » 29 Jul 2009

pbkindiana wrote: I feel when it is Brahma ki raat, then no knowledge can be true and when it is Brahma ki din, then true Gita will be narrated. But can we say that there is completely no chadti kalaa in our stages? Ask yourself that what was your stage when you first came to sangam yug and currently; compare it -- if your churnings has become advanced, is it not regarded as chadti kalaa. If we are thinking more of knowledge than of lokik world, then is not it considered as chadti kalaa? In any aspect, we rise slowly and not instantly.indie.
Dear indiana.

Murlis says:" Girti kalaa for 5000 years and chadti kalaa in one second" ; so till all the 3 worlds do not fall to their lowest level in soul-consciousness and till Ramshivbaba does not come in future, no one can experience chadti kalaa.("Bap ke sivaya koi bhi chadti kalaa mein nahin le jaa sakta") . Churning of knowledge does not lead anyone in chadti kalaa, it just helps us to understand Gyan a little more than those who do not churn. This is what i feel.

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Re: Gita patshalas or Gadbad shalas ???

Post by shivsena » 30 Jul 2009

Dear pbk brothers.

Just read another interesting point about Gita patshalas.

Murli point (17-12-2000) says: "Woh jo Gita patshalaen(advance patshala) aadi hain unho ko Bhagwanuvach kahene se Krishna(Baba Dixit) hi buddhi mein aayega. Tum bacchon(108) ko oonch te oonch Bap(Ramshivbaba) Yaad aayega..........(PBKs)Patit pavan ko Yaad karte aaye hain parantu jaante kuch bhi nahin. Bharatwasi(PBKs) bilkul hi ghor andhiyare mein hain."

[meaning: "Those Gita patshalas(advance patshalas), when they say bhagwanuvach, they(PBKs) only have Krishna(Baba Dixit ) in their intellect. You children( potential 108) will remember the highest of the high Father (ie Ramshivbaba-- Ram+shiv ) ........... (PBKs) remember the patit-pavan, but they do not know anything. Bharatwasi(PBKs) are in complete darkness"(ignorance)]

The above Murli point was spoken by Shiva in Sakar Murlis between 1965-69, but He has emerged the whole future AIVV(PBKs) and potential 108 and has compared their beliefs towards the end of the behad ka drama. As the behad ka drama progresses towards the end of Kaliyugi shooting, then things will become more and more clearer if one reads all Murlis and Vanis with the behad ka end in mind. All comparisons of Bhakti and Gyan will then be applicable to AIVV(who will think that Gita ka bhagwan is Baba Dixit ie Krishna) and the potential 108 Gyani souls will believe that Ramshivbaba(Ram+shiv) is the real Gita sermoniser. This is the secret(raaz) of reading the Murlis and those(PBKs) who do not know this secret will get naraaz (angry). [Murli point: "Drama ke raaz ko naa janenewale anth mein naraaz ho jaaenge"] This is what i feel.

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Re: Gita patshalas or Gadbad shalas ???

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shivsena wrote:
Murlis says:" Girti kalaa for 5000 years and chadti kalaa in one second" ;[/b
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One Kalpa has 5000 years; that is inclusive of girti kalaa and chadti kalaa, so how can you say that girti kalaa is for 5000 years. It should be girti kalaa subtracts the period of chadti kalaa and it should be girti kalaa of less than 5000 years. Also one second means what according to you?

so till all the 3 worlds do not fall to their lowest level in soul-consciousness


All of us had zero level of soul-consciousness before we came to knowledge and only after coming to knowledge we started to have the understanding of soul consciousness, so there is no way of going back to zero again. Somehow the practice pulls us back to Gyan or any events make us to tally with Gyan naturally.

. Churning of knowledge does not lead anyone in chadti kalaa, it just helps us to understand Gyan a little more than those who do not churn. This is what i feel.
Churning does not lead anyone to girti kalaa either. It is said 'churn and get intoxicated'.

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Post by shivsena » 31 Jul 2009

pbkindiana wrote: One Kalpa has 5000 years; that is inclusive of girti kalaa and chadti kalaa, so how can you say that girti kalaa is for 5000 years. It should be girti kalaa subtracts the period of chadti kalaa and it should be girti kalaa of less than 5000 years. Also one second means what according to you?
Dear indiana.

It has been taught in basic and advance that right from day 1 from Satyug to Kaliyug(5000) years we keep on falling though we are in soul-conscious state, as the body-consciousness in Satyug and treta(2500)years is very subtle and does not manifest itself externally ; only at the end of 21 births at the beginning of Copper Age, that the soul begins to identify itself as body and we start falling rapidly in next 63 births till the end of Kaliyug. So 5000 years is girti kalaa only (which is Murli statement and not mine); i am just trying to understand the mahavakya and this is my view.

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Is it so easy to meet God Shiva in person !!!!!

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Is it so easy to meet God Shiva in person !!!!!

Bk criteria for meeting God Shiva:
Take the 7 days course of Godly knowledge in any one of the bk rajoyga centers, attend daily Murli classes and observe physical purity for 9 months and then the nimit sister(jismani panda)fixes a date to take you to mount Abu to meet BapDada in Dadi Gulzar.
The above criteria has no way of assessing whether you really have nischay(faith) in BapDada or you understand what the Murlis say or you are really celibate for a year.

Pbk criteria for meeting God Shiva:
Take the Advance Course in any one of the Gita-patshalas and give a written affidavit on stamp paper that Virendra Dev Dixit is the Chariot of nirakar Shiva and then the nimit sister or brother(jismani panda) will accompany you to farukhabad(Kampil) to meet Baba Dixit (the supposed Chariot of God Shiva).
Again there is no way of deciding whether you have really undersood the advance knowledge in 7 days or you are just giving a letter of faith out of curiosity or otherwise, just to have a glimpse of the Chariot.

The above 2 procedures of meeting God Shiva raises many queries:

1. If meeting God Shiva is so easy and simple then why there is no rememberence of the above procedures in Bhakti-marg scriptures, [where it is mentioned that the path to meet God is hazardous and lacerating and filled with many obstacles-vigna and only very few souls can walk on that path. ]

2. Repeated meetings with God Shiva in mt. abu and Kampil have not resulted in any inheritance or blessings(health-wealth-happiness or boon of immortality) being bestowed by the spiritual Father on any child in last 70 years [ Murli says: "Bap kahene se varsa milta hai" ]

3. Murlis say that " Bap sirf atmaon se baat karte hain" and "ruhani Bap ruhani bacchon se baat karte hain"....but at present all BKs and PBKs are jeev-atmas (and not atma) and are jismani bacche(not ruhani bache)
....and so arises the most important question... is the whole procedure of meeting God Shiva in person.... is it just an illusion or is it an absolute certainity that one is meeting God Shiva face to face !!!!!!....this very important fact has to be decided by each bk and pbk himself and not by Didis or Dadis or Baba Dixit.

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Murlis say: Manushya ie. Bks-pbks preach untruth (lies).

Post by shivsena » 10 Dec 2009

Dear bk-pbk brothers.

Murli 22-3-08 says: "Tum jaante ho ki satya bolne wala ek Bap hi hai; baaki jo bhi manushya matra ishwar ke liye jo bhi raasta batate hain aur unki rachna ke liye jo bolte hain so toh sabhi jhoot hai."[meaning: " you know that truth is spoken by Father alone; rest all human beings who show the way to meet God and speak about his creation are all lies."]

Murli 13-3-08 says: "Bap ki sacchi mat milti hai; doosre sab jhooti mat dete hain; Manushya manushya ko sab jhooti mat dete hain; gaya hua hai...jhooti kaya jhooti Maya...jhoota sab sansar...yahan toh sab jhoot hi jhoot hai."[ meaning: Only Father gives you the truth; the rest all give you untruth; human beings all give untruth to each other; it has been sung...jhooti kaya jhooti Maya...the whole world is untruth....there is nothing but untruth here."]

The above two Murlis speak about manushya who always talk false things about the creator(rachieta) and his creation(rachna)...so first we have to define who are these manushya ????....are they souls of the outside world or they are souls(BKs-PBKs) of this behad ka drama!!!!!!!

According to Murlis, manushya means those who have taken 84 births (ie. BKs and PBKs) and not the souls of the outside world (as they take 83 births or less); also manushya means manu(brahma) ki aulad which again points out to BKs and PBKs as the outside world is not aware of manu(brahma) and finally manushya means who have been introduced to Shiva's Godly knowledge and have power to churn the knowledge;
So manushya means BKs and PBKs only and whatever they speak about the creator and his creation is all false. BKs preach that ShivBaba is creator and Krishna(Lekhraj Kirpalani-adam-prajapita-Narayan) is his creation, while PBKs preach that ShivBaba is creator and Ram(Virendra Dev Dixit-adam-prajapita-Narayan) is his creation; both these beliefs are false as per the above Murlis. Only when the true spiritual Father(Ramshivbaba) comes in the end, then the truth about the creator and his creation will be revealed to the bk-pbk world.

In almost all Murlis the word "manushya" is somewhere mentioned, but this word is taken for granted by BKs and PBKs as refering to souls of the outside world; but why would Shiva talk about the souls of the outside world, who are never going to read the Murlis in their lifetime. If this one word "manushya" is understood in proper perspective, then the whole mystery of creator/creation can be solved. Shiva has spoken the Murlis between 1965-69 and every Murli describes the behad ka drama which was going to unfold in future and so the word "manushya" clearly refers to bk-PBKs who think they are manu(brahma) ki aulad(manushya) and during the shooting period of brahma ki raat, both are ignorant about the secret of the creator and his creation.

I will post many points from Murli in this thread mentioning the word "manushya" and it will be very clear that the word "manushya" has been mentioned with context to souls of this behad ka Sangamyugi drama and not refering to the souls of the outside world.

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Re: BKs-PBKs preach untruth (lies).

Post by nivi » 10 Dec 2009

Shivsena Bhai there is nothing new about what you have just mentioned..We have all heard it all long for a long time some even before pbk Gyan..Now who is telling you to listen to manshuy matth..

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Re: BKs-PBKs preach untruth (lies).

Post by shivsena » 10 Dec 2009

nivi_k wrote:Shivsena Bhai there is nothing new about what you have just mentioned..We have all heard it all long for a long time some even before PBK Gyan..Now who is telling you to listen to manshuy matth..
Dear nivi.

If you are aware that bk/pbk preachings are not correct, then why do you not spread this awareness to other souls and why do you still have Yoga with that one soul who is preaching his own manmat.

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