....Shiv can never be called as creator without his permanent Chariot....so it is ShivBaba who is creator i.e Shiv+Ram....so no question of Ram be called as creation...but yes in Murli it has been said that "GOD IS ONE TOH GOD KA BACHCHA BHI ONE" from the point of view of soul consciousness Shiv is called as Father and Ram as only child of Shiv as Ram attains Shiv's stage that is 100% and no one else do so.....shivsena wrote: So manushya means BKs and PBKs only and whatever they speak about the creator and his creation is all false. BKs preach that ShivBaba is creator and Krishna(Lekhraj Kirpalani-adam-prajapita-Narayan) is his creation, while PBKs preach that ShivBaba is creator and Ram(Veerendra Dev Dixit-adam-prajapita-Narayan) is his creation; both these beliefs are false as per the above Murlis. Only when the true spiritual Father(Ramshivbaba) comes in the end, then the truth about the creator and his creation will be revealed to the BK-PBK world.
sorry but it is you who took the advance knowledge in wrong way.....MANUSHYA are creation of MANU and that is Brahma but the creation of Brahma are BRAHMAN's...hence MANUSHYA are termed to BRAHMAN's...of course to both BK-PBK's but if you want more refined points then MANUSHYA is termed to only those souls who take complete 84 births.....in one of the Murli it has been quoted that "Manushya toh 84 janm lete hai"....but the Brahmins are the highest one from ShivBaba's point of view,even higher than DEVTA's.....but the question is what do you want to tell from this....??????In almost all Murlis the word "manushya" is somewhere mentioned, but this word is taken for granted by BKs and PBKs as refering to souls of the outside world; but why would Shiva talk about the souls of the outside world, who are never going to read the Murlis in their lifetime. If this one word "manushya" is understood in proper perspective, then the whole mystery of creator/creation can be solved. Shiva has spoken the Murlis between 1965-69 and every Murli describes the behad ka drama which was going to unfold in future and so the word "manushya" clearly refers to BK-PBKs who think they are manu(Brahma) ki aulad(manushya) and during the shooting period of Brahma ki raat, both are ignorant about the secret of the creator and his creation.
Talking about the Murli point
....what do you believe yourself as? MANUSHYA or something else.....if you consider yourself as manushya,then why should we listen to you,because "Manushya manushya ko sab jhooti mat dete hain" and if you don't consider yourself as manushya that is Brahman then ...?????Murli 22-3-08 says: "Tum jaante ho ki satya bolne wala ek Bap hi hai; baaki jo bhi manushya matra ishwar ke liye jo bhi raasta batate hain aur unki rachna ke liye jo bolte hain so toh sabhi jhoot hai."[meaning: " you know that truth is spoken by Father alone; rest all human beings who show the way to meet God and speak about his creation are all lies."]
Murli 13-3-08 says: "Bap ki sacchi mat milti hai; doosre sab jhooti mat dete hain; Manushya manushya ko sab jhooti mat dete hain; gaya hua hai...jhooti kaya jhooti Maya...jhoota sab sansar...yahan toh sab jhoot hi jhoot hai."[ meaning: Only Father gives you the truth; the rest all give you untruth; human beings all give untruth to each other; it has been sung...jhooti kaya jhooti Maya...the whole world is untruth....there is nothing but untruth here."]