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Post by sachkhand » 21 Feb 2010

RudraPutra wrote: ...yeah yeah....side scenes are made to distract us from our track.....jagdamba leaving Yagya is one of those side scenes which distracted not only you but many PBK's who were having no interest for shreemat....
But officially is she Jagadamba still? In one of the post it has been written that a new sister (Yogini) is made Jagadamba presently. PBKs had not confirmed about this news. Better if they deny it or confirm it. If they had done it in that post I request to once again write about it here because I do not remember that post.
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Post by shivsena » 21 Feb 2010

sachkhand wrote: But officially is she Jagadamba still? In one of the post it has been written that a new Sister (Yogini) is made Jagadamba presently. PBKs had not confirmed about this news. Better if they deny it or confirm it. If they had done it in that post I request to once again write about it here because I do not remember that post.
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Dear sanjeev.

It was me who wrote about sister yogini, who is directed by Baba Dixit, to be called jagdamba by PBKs, as per the information i received from inside PBKs and i would very much like the PBKs on this forum to confirm if this direction from Baba Dixit is true or false.

A surrendered sister who was there in Kampil and rohini for last 15 years, returned to lokik life a few months ago, called me and informed me that Baba Dixit has given directions to PBKs not to read the Sakar Murlis/Vanis and to hear the cassettes and cds only. This also needs to be confirmed by PBKs on this forum.

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Re: Why does God Shiva need a human Chariot to liberate souls.

Post by sachkhand » 22 Feb 2010

shivsena wrote: Dear sanjeev.
A surrendered Sister who was there in Kampil and rohini for last 15 years, returned to lokik life a few months ago, called me and informed me that Baba Dixit has given directions to PBKs not to read the Sakar Murlis/Vanis and to hear the cassettes and cds only. This also needs to be confirmed by PBKs on this forum.
If this is true, then this is just bulls***.
Why are the very active PBKs on this forum not responding?
The person who started a revolution within BKs using the Murlis, now orders his own followers not to read them. What is all this? Does he not interpret or explain the same Murlis? When will Virendra Dev Dixit stop reading Murlis? Is Virendra Dev Dixit now coming out with his true colours?
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Re: Why does God Shiva need a human Chariot to liberate souls !!

Post by arjun » 23 Feb 2010

Om Shanti. Sister Yogini is the metaphorical name of the PBK sister who is considered to be the mother of the Suryavanshi (Sun dynasty) children within the PBKs.

And as far as I know no PBK has been prohibited to read Sakar Murlis or Avyakt Vanis, if they want to do it for the benefit or improvement of self or others.

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Post by sachkhand » 24 Feb 2010

arjun wrote:Om Shanti.
Sister Yogini is the metaphorical name of the PBK Sister who is considered to be the mother of the Suryavanshi (Sun dynasty) children within the PBKs.

And as far as I know no PBK has been prohibited to read Sakar Murlis or Avyakt Vanis, if they want to do it for the benefit or improvement of self or others.
(1) But sister yogini is not the ex-wife of Virendra Dev Dixit I suppose. So how has the Jagadamba changed? Are there 9 other Jagadambas other than the original, one for each soul groups i.e., Suryavanshi, Chandravanshi, etc.,
What is all this foolish explanation?

(2)Thank you for clearing our confusion. But still, it is your own opinion, not the official answer of AIVV regarding reading Sakar Murlis.
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Post by shivsena » 27 Feb 2010

arjun wrote:Om Shanti.
Sister Yogini is metaphorical name of the PBK Sister who is considered to be the mother of the Suryavanshi (Sun dynasty) children within the PBKs.
Is not sister yogini another name(not metaphorical) of one sister in NS(naya sangatan) who is now directed to be the new mother of PBKs and the previous Maa jagdamba has been side-lined.....if this is so, then the new nischay-patra should be carrying the name of sister yogini and not kamla devi as jagatmata.

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Re: Why does God Shiva need a human Chariot to liberate souls !!

Post by Surya_40 » 28 Feb 2010

jo diktha hai o such nahi hai. Jo nahi diktha hai vohi such hai
All that Glitters is not Gold
What i observed that PBK propagate they are suryavanshi but actually they are not.Becuase original Suryavanshi Head never change their wife frequently.(Practically mother should say he is your Father, here pbk'sfather says she is your mother)

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Post by shivsena » 02 Mar 2010

Surya_40 wrote: All that Glitters is not Gold
Dear surya Bhai.

You have quoted a very popular saying of Bhakti-marg: "All that Glitters is not Gold" and the basis/origin of all such sayings lies in the happenings in Sangamyug. The knowledge of Murlis interpretated by bk and pbk organisations look very glittering(like pure gold) to a newcomer and he is easily attracted to it on first sight, but after a few years seeing the behaviour of Seniors/state of the family and studying the Murlis deeply, one realises that their teachings are completely different (like rolled gold) and most times opposite to what is spoken in Murlis and Vanis.....and so the process of a bk becoming a pbk, and then a pbk becoming a ex-pbk starts in few years (i took 20 long years) and the true seekers of truth then start challenging the teachings of both the organisations, which is not appreciated by either of them.

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Post by RudraPutra » 06 Apr 2010

shivsena wrote: You have quoted a very popular saying of Bhakti-marg: "All that Glitters is not Gold" and the basis/origin of all such sayings lies in the happenings in Sangamyug. The Knowledge of Murlis interpretated by BK and PBK organisations look very glittering(like pure gold) to a newcomer and he is easily attracted to it on first sight, but after a few years seeing the behaviour of Seniors/state of the family and studying the Murlis deeply, one realises that their teachings are completely different (like rolled gold) and most times opposite to what is spoken in Murlis and Vanis.....and so the process of a BK becoming a PBK, and then a PBK becoming a ex-PBK starts in few years (i took 20 long years) and the true seekers of truth then start challenging the teachings of both the organisations, which is not appreciated by either of them.
"Tumhe sadaiv BAAP ko dekhna hai.Sidescenes toh bahut aate rahenge."....by seeing the Seniors and state of family you decide that the knowledge is completely wrong? is not that the sidescenes are attracting you?....see we being PBK's do accept that since we are purusharthi's we have many flaws...you cannot accept that as soon as we become PBK we will get transformed to DIETY...no we have to do purusharth and we are doing...that's all....
"Bhakti marg mein toh sab bhatakna hai.Ek baap hi aakar tumhe kinaara lagata hai."
...in bk there is no BAAP,hence no comments.....being PBK we do believe that we have Father for guidance and we are trying to follow him...now about ex-PBKs or so on any of such type of groups don't have enough answer to prove whom they confirm BAAP or Father as and still saying that they in search of truth are wandering....??? what truth? in Murli it has been said
"Is duniya mein koi bhi sach nahi batate.Ek baap hi aakar sach batate hai.Tum toh jhooti duniya mein jhoote bankar the.Ab baap aaya hai tumhe sachcha banane.Baap ke alawa koi aur yeh kar nahi sakta.Poore 21 janm ki sachi sachi badshahi dene aaya hai.Us laukik baap ko toh kabhi nahi bhoolte jo tumhe sirf ek janm ka varsa dete hai.Yaha dekho Maya matha hi mod leti hai.21 janm ka varsa denewale Baap ko pehchaankar bhi gaali dene lag padte hai."
....now tell me about bk,there is no baap...forget about the pehchaan....
....about pbk you got someone to believe...but after long years,you started losing faith...now you are standing alone saying that Father is there and you are in his search....truely just say who is wandering? you or PBK's....

now coming to your churning.....you have changed your churn lots of times...you have answered in an extreme unstable way....your every answer itself cut's your own concepts which you might have have posted earlier....do you think this is churn?

if you are asked about the unstability of your churn you answer it as knowledge goes on refining and you yourself are blaming on the philosophies of PBK's stating that their knowledge goes on changing....strange!!!

ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD...very much true...because many baba's will come challenging the original one and that is why there are so many interpretetions of Gita in Bhaktimarg because every person try to interpret according to his churn.....but what happened till now is DURGATI....you believe it as your churn and you don't believe yourself as BABA,right? so it's manmat...durgati ka marg and not shreemat... or do you believe yourself as baba? :confused:

"All that Glitters is not Gold" but the one that never glitters is definitely not a piece of gold......thats for sure....

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Post by shivsena » 06 Apr 2010

RudraPutra wrote: "Bhakti marg mein toh sab bhatakna hai. Ek baap hi aakar tumhe kinaara lagata hai."
Which Bhakti marg mein bhatakna hai ???? ......Behad ke drama ki baat chal rahi hai aur buddhi hadh ke Bhakti marg( 2500 years) bhatak rahi hai.....right from the shooting period of Dwapur and Kaliyug, PBKs jismani yatra kar Bap ki khoj mein bhatak rahe hain.....lekin sadgati karnewala Bap toh mila nahin aur bade Bhai(Krishna ki soul ie Baba Dixit ) ko jabarjasti Bap banaa diya.....that is why no pbk has got any inheritance so far ("Bhai Bhai ko varsa de nahin sakta")...only in future EK BAP(personified ShivBaba) hi aakar kinara lagate hain.

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RudraPutra wrote: "Tumhe sadaiv BAAP ko dekhna hai.Sidescenes toh bahut aate rahenge."....by seeing the Seniors and state of family you decide that The Knowledge is completely wrong? is not that the sidescenes are attracting you?....see we being PBK's do accept that since we are purusharthi's we have many flaws...you cannot accept that as soon as we become PBK we will get transformed to DIETY...no we have to do purusharth and we are doing...that's all....
Then why does Virendra Dev Dixit and his followers try to show to the world how the BK followers fail to follow the Murlis. They too are purusharthis and percentagewise are better purusharthis than the so called PBKs.
RudraPutra wrote: "Bhakti marg mein toh sab bhatakna hai.Ek baap hi aakar tumhe kinaara lagata hai."
...in BK there is no BAAP,hence no comments.....being PBK we do believe that we have Father for guidance and we are trying to follow him.
Have the followers of Virendra Dev Dixit got kinara (shore) rather they are being done away with kinara (sidelined). Wife of Virendra Dev Dixit herself has not got the kinara and had to leave Virendra Dev Dixit. And another jagadamba has been appointed ( I suppose so, because even their headquarters is keeping silent on this question.).
RudraPutra wrote: in Murli it has been said
"Is duniya mein koi bhi sach nahi batate.Ek baap hi aakar sach batate hai.Tum toh jhooti duniya mein jhoote bankar the. Ab baap aaya hai tumhe sachcha banane.Baap ke alawa koi aur yeh kar nahi sakta.Poore 21 janm ki sachi sachi badshahi dene aaya hai.Us laukik baap ko toh kabhi nahi bhoolte jo tumhe sirf ek janm ka varsa dete hai.Yaha dekho Maya matha hi mod leti hai.21 janm ka varsa denewale Baap ko pehchaankar bhi gaali dene lag padte hai."
In the above Murli quote it has been said that NOW Father HAS COME. And when it was being narrated before january 18, 1969, through Dada Lekharaj even Virendra Dev Dixit was present in this world although as a young boy. There cannot be two fathers because further in the same above quote it has been said that no one else other than The Father can do this. If That Father is Virendra Dev Dixit, then what was the need to speak such words through Dada Lekharaj. And since 1970s onwards Virendra Dev Dixit has never even once spoken such words to any of his followers.
BKs have faith in the personality through which The above words were spoken. But the so called PBKs beleive a person who has never spoken such words to his followers and who has never accepted himself to be the Father.
RudraPutra wrote: ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD...very much true...because many Baba's will come challenging the original one
And it was Virendra Dev Dixit who was the first in the Brahmin world to challenge The actual Baba by calling him a bachha buddhi. But strangely considers the same soul (Dada Lekharaj) as the chaitanya Gita!
RudraPutra wrote: every person try to interpret according to his churn.....but what happened till now is DURGATI....you believe it as your churn and you don't believe yourself as Baba,right? so it's manmat...durgati ka marg and not shreemat... or do you believe yourself as Baba? :confused:

This applies even to Virendra Dev Dixit.
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Post by shivsena » 06 Apr 2010

RudraPutra wrote: in Murli it has been said
"Iss duniya mein koi bhi sach nahi batate.Ek baap hi aakar sach batate hai.
Just try to analyse things in proper light.....which duniya is Shiva talking about ?????....The above Murli mahavakya is spoken in front of BKs during 1965-69 and is talking about "iss duniya"(the behad ki bk-pbk world) and not "Woh duniya" (outside world)...and whenever this Murli point is repeated every 5 years, then it means that the behad ki bk-pbk duniya mein koi bhi sach nahin batate(neither Didi-Dadis or any Baba)...and only in future Ek Bap(personified ShivBaba) hi aakar sach batate hain.....so first the riddle of "EK BAP" (ALAF) has to be solved.....Who is ALaf???....it is bindi shiv(zero) or is it Baba Dixit or is it someone who will be revealed in future as no.1 shivshakti first in front of 108 souls ???????

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sachkhand wrote: Then why does Veerendra Dev Dixit and his followers try to show to the world how the BK followers fail to follow the Murlis. They too are purusharthis and percentagewise are better purusharthis than the so called PBKs.
....dear we have nothing to say with the actual purusharth of BK's...but there are certain things what bk's doing is completely wrong.....like they are doing cuttings in Murli,keeping themself away from having direct communication with PBKs.....no matter if they don't like to talk to us...but they should be loyal enough atleast with Murli...why to do such blunders....
regarding purusharth....we all are doing the same on our own way....and hence flaws will be seen....but these type of deed... is questionable....
Have the followers of Veerendra Dev Dixit got kinara (shore) rather they are being done away with kinara (sidelined). Wife of Veerendra Dev Dixit herself has not got the kinara and had to leave Veerendra Dev Dixit. And another jagadamba has been appointed ( I suppose so, because even their headquarters is keeping silent on this question.).
...we PBKs i don't know if any time said that we don't believe jagdamba....we believe jagdamba with same personality...now this is misconception....there is no jagdamba other than the one whom you used to call.....instead if some sisters take the responsibility,since jagdamba is not present,she is just a sahyogi of BABA....and nothing sort of thing that she is JAGDAMBA.....no....that is just a confusion created by one of the members of this forum....


RudraPutra wrote: in Murli it has been said
"Is duniya mein koi bhi sach nahi batate.Ek baap hi aakar sach batate hai.Tum toh jhooti duniya mein jhoote bankar the. Ab baap aaya hai tumhe sachcha banane.Baap ke alawa koi aur yeh kar nahi sakta.Poore 21 janm ki sachi sachi badshahi dene aaya hai.Us laukik baap ko toh kabhi nahi bhoolte jo tumhe sirf ek janm ka varsa dete hai.Yaha dekho Maya matha hi mod leti hai.21 janm ka varsa denewale Baap ko pehchaankar bhi gaali dene lag padte hai."
In the above Murli quote it has been said that NOW Father HAS COME. And when it was being narrated before january 18, 1969, through Dada Lekharaj even Veerendra Dev Dixit was present in this world although as a young boy. There cannot be two fathers because further in the same above quote it has been said that no one else other than The Father can do this. If That Father is Veerendra Dev Dixit, then what was the need to speak such words through Dada Lekharaj. And since 1970s onwards Veerendra Dev Dixit has never even once spoken such words to any of his followers.
BKs have faith in the personality through which The above words were spoken. But the so called PBKs beleive a person who has never spoken such words to his followers and who has never accepted himself to be the Father.
where is the Father now...."Father kahe aur bachchon se Father mile nahi;yeh ho nahi sakta"....show me where the Father is now?....no matter whats your base for proving a particular person as Father...just tell me where is your Father????
...once you had accepted yourself as Father...so is it proved you are the one?...
....SHIV is aadi madhya ant ko jan ne waala.....he emerges the children and speaks Vani....that's it....
Father is the one who plays the role of Father....he never shouts or scream that he is Father.....it's upto children to believe...
even the brahmin world is full of mixtures.....children are not only of one dharma.....there are many such childrens who have skin of other religion too.....so its practically impractical.....yes time will come when whole world will accept the Father and the Father will also accept the things.....but now when he is playing a role of being covert....how he can claim himself being Father?
RudraPutra wrote: ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD...very much true...because many Baba's will come challenging the original one
And it was Veerendra Dev Dixit who was the first in the Brahmin world to challenge The actual Baba by calling him a bachha buddhi. But strangely considers the same soul (Dada Lekharaj) as the chaitanya Gita!
i have cleared this earlier too....we never said that Dada Lekhraj is chaitanya Gita.....how come you get such type of conclusions?...
more over when BABA came,Dada Lekhraj had left his body....challenges are proved practically....Dada Lekhraj is not present at all....then whom to challenge....???
RudraPutra wrote: every person try to interpret according to his churn.....but what happened till now is DURGATI....you believe it as your churn and you don't believe yourself as Baba,right? so it's manmat...durgati ka marg and not shreemat... or do you believe yourself as Baba? :confused:
This applies even to Veerendra Dev Dixit.
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...why this not applicable to you.....once you believed Baba as the original one....then you rejected him.....once you came with conclusion that you are Prajapita....then you denied....
...no this is not applicable for us....we believe BABA as the one who is the original role of ShivBaba.....you don't believe neither him and nor do have any proof of the ShivBaba's part other than baba...might be one day you will again come to point that you are ShivBaba...
fine....you have your way and we will follow what we believe....

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Post by RudraPutra » 07 Apr 2010

shivsena wrote: Which Bhakti marg mein bhatakna hai ???? ....Behad ke drama ki baat chal rahi hai aur buddhi hadh ke Bhakti marg( 2500 years) bhatak rahi hai.....right from the shooting period of Dwapur and Kaliyug, PBKs jismani yatra kar Bap ki khoj mein bhatak rahe hain.....lekin sadgati karnewala Bap toh mila nahin aur bade Bhai(Krishna ki soul ie Baba Dixit ) ko jabarjasti Bap banaa diya.....that is why no PBK has got any inheritance so far ("Bhai Bhai ko varsa de nahin sakta")...only in future EK BAP(personified ShivBaba) hi aakar kinara lagate hain.
....OK then have you got inheritance....???...
we are purusharthis and are becoming complete....the process is not so fast...it is taking time...
if inheritance is so easy to gain....why it takes 100 damn years to get complete of Sangamyug?...why Sangamyug is of 100 years....
now tell me what sort of jismani yatra we are doing?????....can you explain me this...we are not wandering for BAAP...how come you say so?
fine...you think baba is not the one....alright....then tell me where baba is....you cannot answer,right?...it is you who is wandering....
Mama is SHIV ki SHAKTI....and hence creator----------1
Mama is bharatmata ShivShakti avatar------------------2
ant ka yeh naara hai
Bharat is creation and not creator--------------------------3
....do you have any logic.....i asked you for image of SHIV SHAKTI and you showed me image of Bharat MATA...you are tellling right from the beginning that Bharat is creation and now saying that Bharat IS CREATOR....
don't you think,you are wandering....?????

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RudraPutra wrote: ....dear we have nothing to say with the actual purusharth of BK's...but there are certain things what BK's doing is completely wrong ....like they are doing cuttings in Murli,keeping themself away from having direct communication with PBKs.....no matter if they don't like to talk to us...but they should be loyal enough atleast with Murli ...why to do such blunders....
regarding purusharth....we all are doing the same on our own way....and hence flaws will be seen....but these type of deed... is questionable....
They are doing blunders because they are still purusharthis. As PBKs do blunders. About Murlis. Virendra Dev Dixit and his followers can question them for this. And AIVV can start supplying Murlis to all those who are interested in reading and churning it. AIVV has lots and lots of original Murlis. Even the old ones. Why cannot they do the service of Murlis. This will break the monopoly of BKWSU. And BKWSU cannot have copyright for Murlis. Who is stopping AIVV from doing the service of Murlis? Yes, I appreciate the service done by AIVV in publishing the Murli Khand books and giving them in their websites too. And I even appreciate the service of ex-1 in loading the earlier literature of Brahmakumaris (OM Mandali) on the forum.
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RudraPutra wrote: ...we PBKs i don't know if any time said that we don't believe jagdamba....we believe jagdamba with same personality...now this is misconception....there is no jagdamba other than the one whom you used to call.....instead if some Sisters take the responsibility,since jagdamba is not present,she is just a sahyogi of Baba....and nothing sort of thing that she is JAGDAMBA.....no....that is just a confusion created by one of the members of this forum....
If this is just a confusion created by one of the members of the forum, why cannot AIVV officially answer to the doubt and clear the matter once for all. I have written email to AIVV i.e., a1spiritual@sify.com twice. But I have not got any response uptill now. So what should the people think? Is it maunam sammati lakshanam. AIVV is not one person. IF it was a single person we would say that he/she is busy and cannot answer to all. Even Arjun could have got the official reply and mentioned it here. So, I once again ask? Who is jagadamba according to AIVV (not according to you) now?

RudraPutra wrote: where is the Father now...."Father kahe aur bachchon se Father mile nahi;yeh ho nahi sakta"....show me where the Father is now?....no matter whats your base for proving a particular person as Father...just tell me where is your Father????
...once you had accepted yourself as Father...so is it proved you are the one?...
....Shiv is aadi madhya ant ko jan ne waala.....he emerges the children and speaks Vani....that's it....
Father is the one who plays the role of Father....he never shouts or scream that he is Father.....it's upto children to believe...
RudraPutra wrote: ...why this not applicable to you.....once you believed Baba as the original one....then you rejected him.....once you came with conclusion that you are Prajapita....then you denied....
...no this is not applicable for us....we believe Baba as the one who is the original role of ShivBaba.....you don't believe neither him and nor do have any proof of the ShivBaba's part other than Baba...might be one day you will again come to point that you are ShivBaba...
fine....you have your way and we will follow what we believe....
ShivBaba was not screaming through Dada Lekharaj when it was said that He is the Supreme Father of all souls. But yes, we can hear the screaming of Virendra Dev Dixit in his audio cassettes. Please here them, if you have them.
Surely, now is the time when The GodFAther will be proved. Not theoratically, but through practical deeds. So, now there is no need to worry about Who He is. He is doing His Divine Work. And will get proved automatically. Because in the end times no one will come forward to take the responsbility, because they do not have the capacity. The GodFather will take the responsibilty and transform the world. Children just need to shed their robes of ego. And they will experience Him and recognise Him.
RudraPutra wrote: even the Brahmin world is full of mixtures.....children are not only of one dharma.....there are many such childrens who have skin of other religion too.....so its practically impractical.....yes time will come when whole world will accept the Father and the Father will also accept the things.....but now when he is playing a role of being covert....how he can claim himself being Father?
ShivBaba is Father of all souls. He does not make difference among them. All are Shudras of Kaliyug. But still He sees them as souls in their original pure and peaceful form. Prajapita does difference. Prajapita is also Father of all human souls. So, he too will not try to keep some as untouchables. But in Murlis, there are two things said about Prajapita. Once it is said that Prajapita is Father of all human souls. And once it is said as he is Father of Bharatwasis. That needs to be churned and understood.
RudraPutra wrote: i have cleared this earlier too....we never said that Dada Lekhraj is chaitanya Gita.....how come you get such type of conclusions?...
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Following is part of Q and A between Shivsena and Arjun in that post.
shivsena wrote: Where is the mother in PBK family now???...without the mother can any family be called family....there is no pravriti marg in PBKs now, it is just "nivriti marg".
arjun wrote: Mother is present through the body of Prajapita in the form of the soul of Brahma. This is the memorial of Ardhanaareeshwar.
shivsena wrote:And what about the corporeal mother jagdamba who left the corporeal Father !! Is she no longer the mother of PBKs !!! If the Father is corporeal, then mother should also be corporeal..is it not?? ...How can Father be corporeal and mother Brahma be avaykt???
arjun wrote: Even through the corporeal mother Jagdamba it is the soul of Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) who plays the role of World Mother.
PBKs better decide amongst themselves, what is the correct version of AIVV.

RudraPutra wrote: more over when Baba came,Dada Lekhraj had left his body....challenges are proved practically....Dada Lekhraj is not present at all....then whom to challenge....???
This is a new thing I am hearing. Does Virendra Dev Dixit wants to challenge Dada Lekharaj? Just hear Virendra Dev Dixit's earlier audio cassettes, where he used to say that the same soul of Dada Lekharaj enters into some Brahmin child and plays the part of Adi Dev. And that brahmin child he hinted, was himself. Later he started even calling himslef as Param Atma. It is left to him, he can call himslef whatever he likes. No problem for me.
I just want to say that instead of screaming (he literally screamed. Just hear the earlier audio cassettes) for years, Virendra Dev Dixit could have peacefully said and accepted that he is Prajapita and Supreme Soul Shiv is playing The part of GodFather through him. Why worry about the world, whether the public will accept it or not?
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Sanjeev.

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