Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by shivsena » 13 Jun 2011

button slammer wrote: It is also noted by myself and another (Indiana ) that the entire adi-Maa concept of yours has an amazing resemblance to the previous 'Ramshivbaba' episode of yours.
You've simply given 'Ramshivbaba' a sex change and hoped we wouldn't notice.
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Shri Shri Ramshivbaba(Mama) is both mother and Father and that is why it is said in Murlis :"Bhagwan mat-pita kaise hai yeh koi nahin jaante".("how God becomes mother-Father nobody knows") and it is also sung in Bhakti : "tamev mat-pita hum balak tere". ("you are mother-Father and we are your children")

Whenever the words : "Nobody knows" are said in Murlis it means that only ''One in a crore'' will know the real meaning of Murli points.....so BKs and PBKs will have different meaning of mat-pita and 108 will have different meaning.....that also explains why there are two types of children : "sage and lage" and two types of inheritance: "direct and indirect".

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by sita » 13 Jun 2011

so BKs and PBKs will have different meaning of mat-pita and 108 will have different meaning
Dear brother,

But it is also said that the spiritual mother and Father of all is one and the same. They are represented with similar names in all religions like the first man and woman. Will there be such a time when BKs, PBKs, 108 etc. all have one and the same mother and Father and there wi be one world family and when will this be and how?

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by button slammer » 13 Jun 2011

shivsena wrote:....as per Murli point: "ShivBaba hai mukhya actor-creator-director" ..this clearly refers to no. 1 shivshakti (Mama) who became like Shiv in all respects(personified ShivBaba) and not to bindi Shiv as BKs-PBKs believe.
As earlier mentioned you don't know what PBKs believe. The explanation of the point above by yourself is wrong. It shows you have no understanding of AK. As the posting of the above point clearly demonstrates no understanding of AK by you, how can you go on to claim AK is False?
As you say Shivshakti are combined/unseperable, that ShivBindu is combined with the ghost of Om Radhey, that Om Radhey is now entering you. This then makes you what? The corporeal medium of ShivBaba. You are now the feminine side of God yourself. You are now 'God of the Gita?
Allready you say you are more intelligent than ShivBaba/Virendra Dev Dixit. On the basis of what? Half a dozen or so Murli points. As of yet as 'God of the Gita' you havent even gone into the depth of a single Murli.
This topic has been going for about a year. In that time you should have gone into the depth of every subject. O Goddess of Intelligence, please say something intelligent. Give us some new points. You are just repeating the same point over and over 'Maa, Maa'.

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by shivsena » 16 Jun 2011

A tribute to the Divine Mother :

In India they say that only the Divine Mother can grant the boon (reward) of Physical Immortality. Wouldn¹t you like to transcend aging, disease, disintegration and even the death of your body? The Mother can grant this transfiguration. It is possible to restore our body to the original Divine Blueprint and perfection of Divine Self. One can ascend out of a distorted pain-racked body into a radiant physical body! At this very moment, your life is reflecting what you believe to be true about yourself.
The Divine Mother is available to everybody.
Let go of your old obsolete belief systems.
Let the Divine Life Force roar through you!


Salutations to You, Mother of the Universe
We bow to You who lives in them forever
Through all the ages. Your form is beyond
The decay of time, inherent in everything.
You are immortal. You are beyond being known
Of unfathomable mystery.
Great Mother we bow to You.

You are ever present in your divinity as
Supreme knowledge. You are the Ultimate Point in the Infinity
Of Cosmic Space. As the universal Self, You shower
The rain of divine Nectar on the world and let the rain of
Bliss drowns all the fears of this world.

No one can ever dream to count
The Jewels at the bottom of the ocean
And even a gifted poet cannot describe
The brilliant splendor of the sun
In this way, Bliss-bestowing Mother of the Universe
Who in this world is able
To tell the tale of Thy Magnificence and Glory?

Out of affectionate love for those who love Thee
Thou givest Thy Holy Vision to their eye
Thou bringest forth a blissful stream of nectar
Which like the Holy Ganga
Cleanses the world of all its sins.

Oh Divine Mother.
Let my every action
Be a Worship of You
Let every sound falling from my lips
Be a chant of your great mantra.

(May everything I write be something beautiful for God and the Divine Mother.)

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by Sach_Khand » 16 Jun 2011

shivsena wrote:A tribute to the Divine Mother :


Salutations to You, Mother of the Universe
We bow to You who lives in them forever
Through all the ages. Your form is beyond
The decay of time, inherent in everything.
You are immortal. You are beyond being known
Of unfathomable mystery.
Great Mother we bow to You.

You are ever present in your divinity as
Supreme knowledge. You are the Ultimate Point in the Infinity
Of Cosmic Space. As the universal Self, You shower
The rain of divine Nectar on the world and let the rain of
Bliss drowns all the fears of this world.

No one can ever dream to count
The Jewels at the bottom of the ocean
And even a gifted poet cannot describe
The brilliant splendor of the sun
In this way, Bliss-bestowing Mother of the Universe
Who in this world is able
To tell the tale of Thy Magnificence and Glory?

Out of affectionate love for those who love Thee
Thou givest Thy Holy Vision to their eye
Thou bringest forth a blissful stream of nectar
Which like the Holy Ganga
Cleanses the world of all its sins.

Oh Divine Mother.
Let my every action
Be a Worship of You
Let every sound falling from my lips
Be a chant of your great mantra.

(May everything I write be something beautiful for God and the Divine Mother.)

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Dear Shivsena,
Is this written by you?

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by shivsena » 17 Jun 2011

Sach_Khand wrote:
(May everything I write be something beautiful for God and the Divine Mother.)
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Dear Shivsena,
Is this written by you?
Sanjeev.
Dear sanjeev.

The words are not mine, but it conveys the same feelings that i have for the divine mother.... i read the poem on the internet and copied it from there to share what the world thinks of the divine mother.

shivsena.

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by shivsena » 19 Jun 2011

sita wrote:Dear Brother,

But it is also said that the spiritual mother and Father of all is one and the same. They are represented with similar names in all religions like the first man and woman. Will there be such a time when BKs, PBKs, 108 etc. all have one and the same mother and Father and there wi be one world family and when will this be and how?
Dear sita.

You are right that the spiritual mother and Father of the whole world has to be one and the same ....so according to BKs it is DL brahma(first man-adam)) and Mama Saraswati-om radhe(first woman-eve)....and i presume that PBKs views are completely different from BKs views.....so i would very much like to know who is the mother(first woman)father(first man), because many PBKs have different views about the same.....and according to Bhakti-marg the whole world will be united in one family(vasudev kutumb), so who is the Father-mother in vasudev-kutumb ???....can you please give your views.

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by sita » 19 Jun 2011

The mother and the Father of the world are Jagadamba and Jagadpita, but we cannot say - this one is Jagadamba, this one is Jagadpita. Jagadamba and Jagadpita will be those who have the ability to adopt all souls of the world and has the internal feeling for all souls that these are my children. They will not have the feeling of competition and jelousy with any soul, but of patronizing.

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by shivsena » 19 Jun 2011

sita wrote:The mother and the Father of the world are Jagadamba and Jagadpita, but we cannot say - this one is Jagadamba, this one is Jagadpita. Jagadamba and Jagadpita will be those who have the ability to adopt all souls of the world and has the internal feeling for all souls that these are my children. They will not have the feeling of competition and jelousy with any soul, but of patronizing.
Please answer specifically and relevantly to the point...who are jagatpita and jagdamba according to PBKs.

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by sita » 19 Jun 2011

You know very well.

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by warrior » 19 Jun 2011

Rameshbhai describes Brahma Kumaris Mama as Jagadamba, but she never declared him as a son...

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by sita » 19 Jun 2011

It is also said that on the path of knowledge, elders are those who are elder in Gyan. Jagadamba and Jagadpita, being the eldest, no one will be able to teach them knowledge. But for Om Radhe and Brahma baba it is said in the Murli that there used to be such children, to teach them.

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by Roy » 20 Jun 2011

warrior wrote: BK Mama - BK Rameshji's experience - 18th june 2011.pdf
Thank you warrior Bhai, that was an interesting read!

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by sita » 20 Jun 2011

Regarding the description of Mama, it was interesting that there has been the practice of trance messages with Avyakt Baba, even when Brahma Baba used to be personally present. And if the description of the picture of Lakshmi and Narayan had been so precise, there must be meaning in it, that will be lost with changing the picture.

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Re: Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

Post by shivsena » 21 Jun 2011

Some great quotes about Shiva and shakti combined.
(from the internet)

1. Because of God, the Goddess exists,
And, without her, He is not.
They exist only because of each other.

2. How sweet is their union!
The whole world is too small to contain them,
Yet they live happily together in the smallest particle.

3. These two are the only ones
Who dwell in this home called the universe.
When the Master of the house sleeps,
The Mistress stays awake,
And performs the functions of both.

4. It is Shiva alone who lives in all forms;
He is both the male and the female.
It is because of the union of these two
That the whole universe exists.

5. Two flutes: one note.
Two flowers: one fragrance.
Two lamps: one light.

6. Two lips: one word.
Two eyes: one sight.

7. Thought manifesting duality,
These two—the eternal couple—
Are eating from the same dish.

8. The Shakti, endowed with chastity and fidelity,
Cannot live without Her Lord;
And, without Her, The Doer-of-all cannot be.

9. Since He appears because of Her,
And she exists because of her Lord,
The two cannot be distinguished at all.

10. Sugar and its sweetness cannot be told apart,
Nor can camphor and its fragrance.

11. If we have the flames, We also have the fire.
If we catch hold of Shakti, We have Shiva as well.

12. The Sun appears to shine because of its rays,
But the rays themselves are produced by the Sun.
In fact, that glorious Sun and its shining are the same.

13. To have a reflection, one must have an object.
If we see a reflection, then we infer that an object exists.
Likewise, the supreme Reality which is one
Appears to be two.

14. through Her, The absolute Void became the primal Person;
And She derived Her existence from Her Lord.

15. Shiva formed His beloved Himself;
And without Her presence, No Person exists.

16. Because of Her form, God is seen in the world.
Yet it was He Who created Her form of Himself.

17. When He embraces Her, It is His own bliss that Shiva enjoys.
He is the Enjoyer of everything, But there is no enjoyment without Her.

18. She is His form, But Her beauty comes from Him.
By their intermingling, They are together enjoying this feast.

19. Shiva and Shakti are the same,
Like air and its motion, Or gold and its luster.

20. Fragrance cannot be separated from the musk,
Nor heat from fire; Neither can Shakti be separated from Shiva.

21. If night and day were to approach the Sun,
Both would disappear. In the same way, the duality of Shiva and Shakti vanishes,
when their essential unity is seen.
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