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Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 04 Dec 2011

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Shiv is nirakaar but who is Sakar-roop of Shiva ???

Every bk-pbk is very familiar with the words "Nirakaar and Sakar"....both know and preach that "Shiv is nirakaar", but they differ in their views about "who is Sakar"....BKs believe that nirakaar Shiv entered Lekhraj Kirpalani in 1937 and so for them Lekhraj Kirpalani becomes Sakar....on the other hand PBKs believe that nirakaar Shiv first plays the role of mother through Sakar-Lekhraj Kirpalani and then plays the role of Father through another Sakar -Virendra Dev Dixit from 1976 onwards....so the main issue between the BKs and PBKs is not about who is nirakaar God Shiva, but about who is Sakar-roop ???....but both of them have missed out on one important question (which they should be asking themselves ) : Is either of the male-bodied personality(Lekhraj Kirpalani or Virendra Dev Dixit) the complete embodiment of Shiva (yatharth roop) for which it has been said in Murlis : "mere yatharth roop ko koto mein koi hi jaante hain". ("My embodied form is known only to one in ten million")....So let us analyse further, whether the male personalities (Lekhraj Kirpalani or Virendra Dev Dixit) are really the yatharth embodied form of Shiva. (as propagated by both).

In Murlis it is said: "Nirakaar nirgun aur Sakar sagun".(meaning that all the virtues of nirakaar should be visible fully in the Sakar personality.). The qualities associated with incorporeal God Shiva are as follows:

1. Ocean of knowledge.
2. Ocean of bliss.
3. Ocean of peace.
4. Ocean of purity.
5. Ocean of love.
6. Ocean of virtues.
7. Omni-potent (all powerful ie. sarva-shaktivaan).

Let all BKs and PBKs analyse themselves, whether all the above qualities and attributes of Shiva were/are present in their respective male chariots (Lekhraj Kirpalani or Veerendra Dev Dixit), whom they consider to be the Sakar-roop of Shiva !!!!

The answer is obviously NO.
So who is/was the gupt personality who has all the above mentioned qualities of Shiva ??

It is none other than Mama-jagdamba--Saraswati--goddess of knowledge--goddess of intellect—Goddess of wisdom, who has all the above mentioned attributes of Shiva and it is she who is no. 1 shakti of Shiva(worshipped in Bhakti-marg) and it is she who is the Sakar-roop of Shiva in the truest sense of the term.

Sakar does not mean one who has to be present physically in front of the eyes in the physical world.(as PBKs think)...but Sakar means that all the virtues/powers of Shiva have to be visible in the Sakar form in Sangamyug and this can be seen only with the third eye of knowledge....Mama jagdamba-Saraswati is seen as a female body by both BKs and PBKs(with physical eyes), but the qualities in her soul (param-part-dhari atma) can be seen only with the third eye of knowledge.....those who look only at her female body and wonder or question about her being the Sakar-part, are not looking at the qualities of her soul and they are going to be very much surprised at the end (final paper) when she is revealed as "Bharatmata shivshakti avataar"(mat-pita combined) as per the Vani point in the very first avaykt Vani.

In the next post, i shall be sharing my views, as to why neither Lekhraj Kirpalani or Veerendra Dev Dixit can be Sakar-roop of Shiva.

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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 07 Dec 2011

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Sharing my views as to why Dada Lekhraj cannot be Sakar roop of God Shiva.

Let us analyse whether Lekhraj Kirpalani(Krishna) had all the attributes of God Shiva imbibed in him to label him the Sakar form of God, since it is said in Murlis that :"ShivBaba ki mahima alag and Krishna ki mahima alag". [ "the praises of ShivBaba is different from the praises of Krishna"]

1. God Shiva is Ocean of knowledge: Lekhraj Kirpalani(Krishna) was baby buddhi according to Murlis...so how can a baby-intellect soul can be the Sakar form of God Shiva.

2. God Shiva is Ocean of bliss: Lekhraj Kirpalani was child Krishna and all those who saw him in the beginning of the Yagya got visions of Krishna(not Shiva)...and Krishna is devta and not Ocean of bliss.

3. God Shiva is Ocean of peace: Lekhraj Kirpalani was very much a disturbed man after the demise of Mama Saraswati in 1965, so how can he be the Sakar form of Shiva.

4. Shiva is Ocean of purity: Lekhraj Kirpalani was a male bodied soul and according to Murlis "all purush are duryodhan-dushasan"...so how can a male-bodied soul be representative of purity of God Shiva.

5. Shiva is Ocean of love : It is true that Lekhraj Kirpalani loved everybody, but can we call Krishna's soul( 16* devta) Ocean of love.

6. Shiva is Ocean of virtues and powers : Again Krishna ki mahima is 16 degrees pure virtuous devta and not Ocean of virtues and power.

7. God Shiva is omnipotent (all-powerful): Lekhraj Kirpalani Krishna could not exhibit this quality as he could not control the children after the demise of Mama-Saraswati in 1965.

Also Lekhraj Kirpalani could not imbibe in him all that was spoken in Murlis: :" Naa dukh do, Naa dukh lo."..["Neither give sorrow nor take sorrow ".]....it is true that Lekhraj Kirpalani never gave dukh(sorrow) to anybody, but he took dukh(sorrow) upon himself after 1965, when he could not maintain a sakshi-bhav to the happenings in the Yagya, when children over-rided his directions.

So after analysing the above more deeply, it can be easily said that Lekhraj Kirpalani was not the Sakar form of God Shiva.

In the next post i will share my views, as to why Virendra Dev Dixit cannot be the Sakar form of Shiva (as claimed by PBKs).
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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 11 Dec 2011

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Sharing my views as to why Baba Dixit cannot be Sakar roop of God Shiva.

Let us analyse whether Baba Dixit has all the attributes of God Shiva imbibed in him, to label him the Sakar form of God.

1. God Shiva is Ocean of knowledge: If Virendra Dev Dixit was Ocean of knowledge then he would not have done the basic Godly course from another soul...the whole Gyan should have emerged in his intellect....since he came to know his part by reading and churning the Murlis he cannot be called creator...He is definitely the creation(Krishna baccha) since he was born from the womb of knowledge(Murlis)( "Krishna garb se janam letaa hai"....Krishna is born from the womb")

2. God Shiva is Ocean of bliss: If Virendra Dev Dixit was Ocean of bliss, then any soul seeing him or coming in contact with him would have felt everlasting bliss....but Yagya history from 1976 onwards says a different story....BKs are hostile towards him from 1976 and those who became ex-PBKs narrate their bitter experiences about Baba Dixit and his advance knowledge.

3. God Shiva is Ocean of peace: If Baba Dixit was Ocean of peace, then he would not have created ambigious advance knowledge which is the source of friction between the bk and the pbk family....he would have narrated a knowledge which should have brought peace and unity in the Godly family.

4. Shiva is Ocean of purity: Virendra Dev Dixit is a male-bodied soul and according to Murlis "all purush are duryodhan-dushasan"...so how can a male-bodied soul be representative of purity of God Shiva.....also he himself teaches that purity is a quality of matas and kanyas...so how can he be accepted as Ocean of purity.

5. Shiva is Ocean of love : If Virendra Dev Dixit was Ocean of love, then his love should have united the PBKs and no pbk should have left the pbk family, disappointed with his behaviour.

6. Shiva is Ocean of virtues and powers : Virendra Dev Dixit does not exhibit any of the virtues and powers to the fullest measure, to call him the Sakar roop of God Shiva.

7. God Shiva is omnipotent (all-powerful): Virendra Dev Dixit is powerful(shaktivaan) as Godly form of Maya, who has deceived the PBKs into believing advance knowledge as sacchi Gita.....but he is not all powerful(sarva-shaktivaan)as ShivBaba to unite the 108 rosary beads.

All the above points do not comply with the Murli point: "Nirakaar nirgun--Sakar sagun"....so there is no question about Baba Dixit being the corporeal--Sakar form of God Shiva.

Also Virendra Dev Dixit could not imbibe in him all that was spoken in Murlis: :" Naa dukh do, Naa dukh lo.".("neither give sorrow, not take sorrow")...whether Virendra Dev Dixit took sorrow upon himself is best known to him....but he definitely gave sorrow to the bk family(senior Dadis and Didis) by inventing ambigious advance knowledge and being instrumental in breaking the Godly family first into two parts (BKs-PBKs) and then into many splinter groups. Also he has given mental torture to many PBKs, who finally got fed up and left the family.

Also Murli says: "Badla naa lo, badal kar dikhao" ("do not take revenge, but change yourself" ).
The Vishnu-party was instrumental in sending Baba Dixit to jail and incriminating rape cases in court against Baba Dixit....but Baba Dixit instead of being rahamdil ( merciful ) Father had filed reverse cases against the Vishnu-party after being released from jail.....is this not a case of tit-for-tat (revenge), which is certainly not befitting for someone who claims to be the personified roop of merciful ShivBaba.

After churning the above more deeply, it can be easily said that Baba dixit is certainly not the Sakar form of God Shiva.

In the next post i will share my views, as to why Mama jagdamba-Saraswati is the only soul (paramatma partdhari) who is the only Sakar personified form of Shiva. (personified ShivBaba in all respects)

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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 08 Jan 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Sharing my views as to why only Mama -jagdamba Saraswati can be Sakar personified yatharth roop of God Shiva.

Let us analyse whether Mama -jagdamba-Saraswati has all the attributes of God Shiva imbibed in her, to call her the Sakar form of God.(combined shivshakti)

1. God Shiva is Ocean of knowledge: Mama never took Godly knowledge from anyone...she just narrated Gyan as it emerged in her intellect for 28 years of her stay in the Yagya and that is why in Murlis she is known as Gyan-gyaneshwari and in Bhakti-marg she is remembered as Goddess of knowledge and goddess of intellect.....compare this fact with Lekhraj Kirpalani(who never understood the Murlis) and Virendra Dev Dixit ( who took knowledge from another soul and read Murlis to realise his part).

2. God Shiva is Ocean of bliss: Mama-Saraswati was a pillar of the Yagya for 28 years and just as a mother is a source of bliss to her children, SHE was a source of bliss to all her alokik children and also to those lokik souls who met her for a short while.

3. God Shiva is Ocean of peace: Mama-Saraswati was a tower of peace as is evident from the 28-year stay in the Yagya...and the first signs of peacelessness started only when she left her body in 1965.

4. Shiva is Ocean of purity: Mama was the purest soul in the Yagya as it was her purity which maintained peace and unity in the Yagya for 28 years and even in Bhakti-marg Goddess Saraswati is always clad in white (a symbol of purity) with swan as her vehicle and peacock admiring her from a distance.

5. Shiva is Ocean of love : Again it was the spiritual love of Mama (world mother) which saw the Yagya grow from a humble OM-MANDLI to a full-fledged spiritual revolution till 1965.

6. Shiva is Ocean of virtues and powers : Again there is no other soul, except Mama-Saraswati, when it comes to inculcation of virtues and asta-shaktis....and her rememberence of the sherni-shakti riding a lion in Bhakti-marg speaks volumes of her virtues and powers.

7. God Shiva is omnipotent (all-powerful): Again Mama was all powerful (omnipotent) as evident in the beginning of the Yagya...inspite of all obstacles the Yagya faced, she always emerged victorious and controlled the Yagya singlehandedly, which grew from a few hundred souls to several thousand souls in 1965.

There is no need to elaborate much on the qualities and powers which Mama possessed, as no other soul comes anywhere near to her in this respect....she was absolutely perfect in all respects.....she was no. 1 in all 4 subjects (Gyan--Yoga--dharna--seva) and this has been quoted several times in Murlis that Mama was no. 1 soul.

The Murli point: "Nirakaar nirgun--Sakar sagun" fits perfectly on Mama-Saraswati, as she was the only soul who had all the qualites of Shiva and that is why in Bhakti, Shiva and his shakti can never be seperated and worship of Shakti is worship of Shiva.

So the meaning of the word '' Sakar '' needs to be revised, as imo, Sakar does not mean one who has a physical body(Lekhraj Kirpalani or Virendra Dev Dixit) but Sakar means one who has/had inculcated all the divine qualities and powers of Shiva and became karmatit farishta(angel) and became an example for future souls. (Follow mother-Father)

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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 15 Jan 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs

Murli 07.07.09 says: " शिवबाबा को तो ज्ञान का सागर कहा जाता है। यह तुम समझते हो कि शिवबाबा कोई पुस्तक नहीं उठाता ।“
“ ShivBaba is said to be an ocean of knowledge. You(108) understand that ShivBaba does not hold any book.”

The above point clearly points to Mama as ShivBaba who was ocean of knowledge and never held any book in her hands to give knowledge....she narrated Gyan as it emerged in her intellect (as Gyan ki devi Saraswati) and after she left her body in 1965 she enters Dada Lekhraj and narrates the Sakar Murlis and then after 1969 she has been narrating the avaykt Vanis to make the 108 souls, karmatit farishtas(angels).

The above point also proves that Baba Dixit is not personified ShivBaba, as he has been taking Murli registers in his hands to give clarifications of Murlis in the form of advance knowledge.

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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 25 Jan 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Murli says: "शिवबाबा है मूख्य actor--director and creator".
["ShivBaba is main actor--director and creator".]

Who is this ShivBaba who is main-actor--director--creator ???????
Is it bindi shiv or is it Virendra Dev Dixit or is it Mama-ShivBaba(no. 1 shivshakti)


In the broad drama, Mama(paramatma part) also has to take the body and act on the world stage just like any other actor (Murli point: "jaise atma vaise paramatma")....so from 1937 to 1965, she has a body of her own (just like any other soul), but she plays the main actor( karanhaar ka part), as she has to show and set an example to future students that it is possible to attain the karmatit stage while remaining in the body....so from 1937-65 she is main actor around whom the Yagya revolves.

Then from 1965, she becomes avaykt farishta in Subtle Region and from the Subtle Region she plays the role of director....first writing the script of the future behad ka drama, in the form of Sakar Murlis through Lekhraj Kirpalani, in code form(exam paper)....and then after the demise of Lekhraj Kirpalani, she starts narrating Avaykt Vanis through Dadi Gulzar, giving subtle hints to potential 108 souls to help them achieve the karmatit farishta stage (karaavan-haar ka part)....so from 1965 onwards she is playing the role of director till today. The role of actor-director can be very aptly compared to the lokik world, where actor is on stage, while the director is behind the stage calling the shots as the movie shooting is in progress.

And finally she is the creator of heaven(Sangamyugi swarg) in future when brahma ki raat ends, and Vishnu is revealed. ("ShivBaba hai swarg ka rachieta")

The above Murli point cannot applied to bindi ShivBaba(as BKs think)... nor it can be applied on Baba dixit ( presumed to be ShivBaba by PBKs)...it most appropriately fits only on Mama (personified ShivBaba)

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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 29 Jan 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Murli 11-11-03 says: "शिवबाबा जो रचिएता है , उनको मात-पिता कैसे कहेते हैं , यह गुप्त बात कोई भी जान नहीं सकते ."
"ShivBaba jo rachieta hai, unko mat-pita kaise kahete hain, yeh gupt baat koi bhi jaan nahin sakte."
[ " ShivBaba, who is ceator, how HE becomes mother-Father, this secret is not known to anybody."]

The above point is clearly describing one personified ShivBaba (neither bindi shiv nor some dehdhari ), who is no. 1 shivshakti (ardh-nari-ishwar) who becomes mata as well as pita (mother-Father combined) and this fact will be known only to 108 shivshaktis only.....whenever it is said in Murlis that "gupt baat koi nahin jaante", it means that only 108 will know the deep meaning of the gems of knowledge.

The above point should be churned by those PBKs who insist that "ShivBaba is only Father's role only".(ie. Virendra Dev Dixit) and that mother's role has been played through' Lekhraj Kirpalani.

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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 09 Feb 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Murli 11-8-68 says: "शिवबाबा तो कोई शास्त्र पढ़ा हुआ नहीं है . शिवबाबा को ज्ञान का सागर कहा जाता है . शिवबाबा ने कोई पुस्तक थोड़े ही उठाया ....बाप कहेते हैं मैं कोई पुस्तक नहीं पढता हूँ ."
"ShivBaba toh koi shastra padaa hua nahin hai. ShivBaba ko Gyan ka sagar kahaa jaata hai. ShivBaba ne koi pustak thode hi utaayaa....Bap kahete hain main koi pustak nahin padtaa hun."
[" ShivBaba does not read any scriptures (Sangamyugi Murlis or Vanis). ShivBaba is Ocean of knowledge. ShivBaba does not take any book (in his hand to explain)...Father says: i do not study any book."]

The above point clearly describes a personality ShivBaba in Sangamyug who neither reads nor takes a book in his hands to explain the meaning of Sangamyugi scriptures (Murlis/Vanis)... and so it can be easily infered that Baba Dixit is not personified ShivBaba as he first read the Murlis to know his part and then he started explaining the scriptures (Murlis/Vanis) as per his own understanding.(manushya mat)

The above Murli point perfectly fits on Mama (personified ShivBaba) who is Gyan ka saagar(Gyan-gyaneshwari) and who never read nor churned nor explained the Murlis....but who narrated the knowledge as it emerged in her intellect.

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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 14 Feb 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

How a Murli point can be interpreted in three different ways:

"Incorporeal God Father (Shiv) cannot do any work without corporeal Father, He cannot play any role." [Mu 06.12.76]
BKs would interpret that Father shiv cannot play any role without male Brahma--DL.
PBKs would interpret that Father shiv cannot play any role without Prajapita brahma-VD.

But 108 shivshaktis would interpret that without no. 1 shivshakti (Mama jagdamba), Father shiv cannot play any role...and this is corroborated by the rememberence in Bhakti-marg that Shiva cannot express himself without his shakti and shakti cannot exist without Shiva...both are complementary to each other....Shiva and prajapita are not complementary to each other as prajapita brahma is never worshipped as much as Maa jagdamba(adi-shakti) is remembered and worshipped....also if prajapita is closely associated with shiv in Sangamyug then pictures of prajapita brahma in Bhakti-marg should have been shown with the third eye(denoting presence of shiv)...but only the pictures of Maa adi-shakti shows the third eye (which denotes the close association of Shiva and shakti together in Sangamyug).

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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 04 Mar 2012

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Murli 2-8-03 says: " सारे ड्रामा मैं Hero--heroine का पार्ट है शिवबाबा का ."
" Sare drama main Hero-heroine(mother-Father) ka part hai ShivBaba kaa."
[ " In the whole drama( behad ka drama), the hero-heroine(mat-pita) part is of ShivBaba".]

Who is this ShivBaba(combined mother-Father) who is playing the role of Hero-heroine in this behad ka drama ???

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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 11 Mar 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Murli 10-2-94 says: "शिवबाबा को कहेंगे स्वदर्शन-चक्र-धारी ....उनको सारे चक्र का ज्ञान है ."
"ShivBaba ko kahenge swadarshan-chakra-dhari....unko saare chakra(behad ka drama) ka Gyan hai."
[ "ShivBaba is called swadarshan-chakra-dhari. He has the whole knowledge of (subtle)drama."]

The above point is describing ShivBaba(no. 1 shivshakti Mama) as the first soul (paramatma part) who became swadarshan-chakradhari in 1965 when she became complete avaykt farishta.....the Murli point is not describing bindi ShivBaba(as BKs think) or any dehdhari ShivBaba(as pbk think)....the soul of Mama has the full knowledge of the whole behad ka sukhma drama from 1965 onwards, after she left the bondage of her body and became avaykt farishta and that is what Mama (behad ka bap) has been describing (behad ka drama) in Sakar Murlis.

The third eye of jagdamba in Bhakti-marg tells the whole story of who becomes swadarshan-chakradhari first and only those 108 brahmins who recognise personified ShivBaba(Mama) will also become swadarshan-chakradhari...(Murli point: "sirf brahmins(108 kings) hi swadarshan-chakradhari hote hain, devta aur Shudra swadarshan-chakradhari nahin hote"]

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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

Post by shivsena » 26 Jun 2012

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It is very easy to understand out who is the Sakar personified form of incorporeal shiv.....Let every pbk sincerely ask himself a simple question:

Does Baba Dixit display any virtues and powers of shiv in his behaviour towards BKs and PBKs.....if the answer is negative, then how can Baba Dixit be the Sakar form of shiv !!.....If the answer is yes, then let PBKs continue with their belief.

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Re: Shiva is Nirakaar but who is Sakar ???

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Murli -07.09.68: “32 kirano-wala chitra dikhate hai parantu GUN-AVGUN Sakar me hote hai ya nirakar me hote hai , jab tak Sakar nahi, tab tak 32-gun dikha nahi sakte ! “

THE ABOVE POINT CLEARLY TELLS US THAT THERE IS A Sakar PERSONALITY WHO HAS ALL THE QUALITIES OF SHIV AND IS GUPT ShivBaba. (BINDI SHIV IS NOT ShivBaba)

Let every soul decide himself who is this Sakar who has all the gun of nirakar….is it Lekhraj Kirpalani-brahma….or is it –Virendra Dev Dixit... or is it Maa-adi-shakti jagdamba Saraswati.???

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