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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by andrey » 04 Jan 2009

It is never said that no one will object the truth. On the contrary many will object and few will accept. What you do you decide. Maybe you do that you pose like the truth and impose your own truth. Many will object this few will accept. Those who accept will be left deluded by you. So it is better they don't listen to you and object you. It should not be surprise for everyone is chasing his own benefit.

In the Ramayana also it is said that Ravan knew Rama is God, but said that if he is God let him fight me and prove himself God. In the Murli it is said that many will listen few will emerge. In the history we can see that religious fathers had faced opposition. It is because people don't accept the new and protect the old. Same thing is people don't accept advance knowledge and are stuck to the Murli.

Bharat becomes Jhuthkhand when Ravan comes and becomes sach khand when Ram comes. The argue is over the point who is Bharat. In the advance knowledge we accept the familly path that both mother and Father are there. We also believe that only one soul is such that does not move away from the path of truth that is the true Narayan. Rest when Sita is kidnapped by Ravan, Bharat becomes Jhuth khand. It is said that if the woman is good the house is like heaven, if it is bad it is like hell. There are two sitas one is Bharatmata and one is jadatmata. Their upliftment is interconnected. It's said that on uplifting Bharat the whole world is uplifted. In this if you are looking for the soul of Krishna he is connectd with the whole world and not only with Bharat. So there is one living Bharat, one living Bharatmata and one living Jagatmata. In this the soul of Krishna plays part with the living Bharat as well as the living world mother.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 08 Jan 2009

Dear arjun Bhai.

Many times it is said in Murlis "Shri-Shri ka title hai ShivBaba ke liye aur Lakshmi-Narayan ko kahete hain Shri Lakshmi aur Shri Narayan".
Who is this ShivBaba who gets the title of Shri-Shri???? Is it bindishiv alone or is it combined Incorporeal Father+ one who reaches 100% incorporeal stage ie. Shiv+Ram = SHRI SHRI RAMSHIVBABA.

Please give your views
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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by arjun » 08 Jan 2009

shivsena wrote:Who is this ShivBaba who gets the title of Shri-Shri????
Shiv+Confluence-Aged Ram

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 08 Jan 2009

arjun wrote:Who is this ShivBaba who gets the title of Shri-Shri????
Shiv+Confluence-Aged Ram
But according to advance knowledge, Ram=Bharat=prajapita=Sangamyugi Krishna in the shooting period, so when does Ram get the title of Shri-Shri ??

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Post by andrey » 08 Jan 2009

Shri shri is title of the Supreme Soul who is everpure, never loses his title and makes others elevated. All the deities incl. Ram become single Shri and then fall. The matter comes again and again due to the inability of shivsena Bhai to discriminate between both.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 15 Jan 2009

andrey wrote:Shri shri is title of the Supreme Soul who is everpure, never loses his title and makes others elevated. All the deities incl. Ram become single Shri and then fall. The matter comes again and again due to the inability of shivsena Bhai to discriminate between both.
Dear andrey Bhai.

You are right The crux of the matter is to know who is this Shri Shri ShivBaba ??????
Bk believe it as bindi shiv (with or without the body of Lekhraj Kirpalani.) and they are trying to reveal that bindi to the outside world.
PBKs believe it as bindishiv in the body of Virendra Dev Dixit; but most PBKs are also divided in this view ; some say only bindishiv is Shri Shri and some say only when Ram=shiv then the term Shri Shri ShivBaba is valid. So confusion continues.

I feel that all the titles of bindishiv are in reality the titles of Ramshivbaba ie one who has attained the 100% incorporeal-nirakari stage, as it is that one ALAF who has to be glorified and revealed to the bk and pbk world; Nirakar bindi shiv has no desire for any glorification or revelation, so i do not understand to which world are BKs and PBKs bent upon revealing the Father Shiv, when in all the 3 worlds nirakar shiv is already known as incorporeal God. It is the 100% nirakari stage of Ram's soul which is not known to any one in all the 3 worlds, and that is the task of potential 108 souls to reveal the Nirakari stage of Ram as Shri Shri Ramshivbaba. This is what i firmly believe.

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Post by andrey » 04 Feb 2009

Shivsena Bhai has said that if there is ShivBaba in the PBK familly why is there degradation. One possible answer to this could be from one Murli where it is said that first we celebrate burning of Ravan and then we celebrate deepamala. The clarification to this is that we cannot achieve the soul-conscious stage whist Ravan is still there present and put hurdles to our efforts and influences us. So first we have to kill the ten heads of Ravan and then we can celebrate our perfect stage.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 08 Feb 2009

andrey wrote:Shivsena Bhai has said that if there is ShivBaba in the PBK familly why is there degradation. One possible answer to this could be from one Murli where it is said that first we celebrate burning of Ravan and then we celebrate deepamala. The clarification to this is that we cannot achieve the soul-conscious stage whist Ravan is still there present and put hurdles to our efforts and influences us. So first we have to kill the ten heads of Ravan and then we can celebrate our perfect stage.
Dear andrey Bhai.

Can you please answer me one simple question:
If PBKs think that it is nirakar Ram ie Shiva giving advance knowledge through Virendra Dev Dixit, then would you call the Advance Party as Ram-rajya; If not, then what would you call it, and if yes, then why there is dis-unity and dis-content and degradation of Advance Party.

Please answer to the point in one simple sentence.
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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by andrey » 08 Feb 2009

Disunity is created when some souls don't listen to one direction and start giving their own directions. These are forms of Ravan. Otherwise RamRajya is created through one direction. Because Ravan is still there there is still fight between the two hense it is not RamRajya still.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 09 Feb 2009

andrey wrote:Disunity is created when some souls don't listen to one direction and start giving their own directions. These are forms of Ravan. Otherwise RamRajya is created through one direction. Because Ravan is still there there is still fight between the two hense it is not RamRajya still.
So according to you, both Ram and Ravan are existing at the same time in Advance Party; but the Murlis say that "when there is Ram-rajya, there is no Ravan-rajya and when there is Ravan-rajya, there is no Ram-rajya''. So again there is complete contra-diction between what the Murlis say and what the PBKs believe.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by andrey » 09 Feb 2009

Ram and Ravan exist at the same time because it is Confluence Age. Othervise how will there be fight betwen the two victory for one and defeat for the other, if they don't coexist for some time at least. Nobody has said it is Ram Rajya now in the PBK familly. It is the Confluence Age. When the Supreme Soul comes Confluence Age comes for 100 years, there is fight between Ravan Rajya and Ram Rajya, Ramrajya is established, Ravan Rajya is destroyed. In Ramrajya indeed there is no Ravan Rajya, but it does not get established in the second the Supreme Soul comes. Time is needed for this, you could imagine, time is needed for establishment, time is needed for destruction, time is needed for sustenance and during this time both exist together even in us, when we follow directions of one we go in Ramrajya when we follow Ravan we fall in Ravan Rajya, when we give happiness we are in Ramrajya, when we give sorrow we are in Ravan Rajya, we are in the confluence.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 28 Feb 2009

andrey wrote:Ram and Ravan exist at the same time because it is Confluence Age.
Can you give me a single Murli point which says Ram and Ravan exist at the same time in Confluence Age. You never give Murli points to support your views. Just blah...blah...blah... without any back-up of Murli points is andreymat. (waste of time, waste of energy).

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by andrey » 03 Mar 2009

I think there are Murli points for to prove this, but I don't have them available. If you are interested, seek yourself. At least seek for points to disprove. If not based on Murli points it is based on logics.

What I can remember from the Murli is that it is mentioned that there cannot be demons in the Golden Age so that fight can be there between devtas and demons as in the shastras. So when there is the nectar of knowledge, that is in the Confluence Age (because only the Supreme Soul gives nectar of knowledge who comes in the Confluence Age) both demons and devtas should be there to fight amongst themselves for it.

There is also this point from the Murli that Ram went and Ravan went.

There is also mention in the Murli of the tug of war that from one side it is Ravan's community and on the other side Ram's community.

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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by shivsena » 03 Mar 2009

andrey wrote:
There is also mention in the Murli of the tug of war that from one side it is Ravan's community and on the other side Ram's community.
Can you please give your views of who is Ravan community(Ravan-sampradaya) and who is Ram community(Ram-sampradaya) and what is this tug of war.
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Re: PBK Shivsena's beliefs

Post by andrey » 03 Mar 2009

I have no time to look back in the threads to find where you had asked exactly the same question to which i answered. For your convenience i will answer again.

Ravan's community is the community of those who follow the directions of Ravan, that is of the many bodily gurus. Rams community is the community of those who follow the directions of one incorporeal Supreme Soul.

Then it is a matter of how do we interpret. Who is Ravan, who is Ram, you may say you are the community of Ram since you listen to the Murli, PBKs say we are community of Ram since we follow the direct directions, BKs say PBKs are Ravan's community since they follow a bodily guru. Here there could be variety, but at least we could agree with the main definition.

I will ask you in future to also mind the answers along with the questions.

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