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Murli points on Krishna / Shankar.

Post by shivsena » 01 Jan 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Sharing two important Murli points on Krishna.

Murli 21-8-03 says: " कृष्ण ने भी गर्भ से जन्म लिया ".
"Krishna ne bhi garb se janam liya".
[" Krishna also has taken birth through the womb" (of knowledge ie. after churning the Murlis) ]

Murli 28-8-03 says:
" किसी देहधारी तरफ दृष्टी नहीं हो . कृष्ण भी देहधारी बच्चा है, गर्भ से जन्म लेता है .
"Kissi dehdhari taraf dhristi nahin ho. Krishna bhi dehdhari baccha hai, garb se janam leta hai. "
[ "you should not have your sight on any dehdhari. Krishna is also a dehdhari child, takes birth from the womb of knowledge" (ie. from Murlis of mataa jagdamba Saraswati)]

The above two points describing ''Krishna'' do not describe satyugi Krishna(Lekhraj Kirpalani) as he never read/churned/understood the Sakar Murlis and was not born from the womb of knowledge. The above two Murli points clearly describe the dehdhari Krishna(Virendra Dev Dixit) who has taken birth from the womb of knowledge ie. after reading/churning the Sakar Murlis (narrated by Maa jagdamba Saraswati--goddess of knowledge).

Also the above point, indirectly proves that the Sakar Murlis (womb of knowledge) are narrated by no. 1 shivshakti Maa jagdamba and not by Father Shiva (as it is the mother who has a womb and not the Father)....all children including (Virendra Dev Dixit and 108 ) have to take birth (realise their part) only after churning the Sakar Murlis ("Murli lathi hai"), while the rest 9 lakh and 16000 will never be able to churn the Murlis themselves and will depend on gurus to guide them.

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Re: Murli points on Krishna.

Post by shivsena » 20 Jan 2012

To all truth-seeking PBKs.

Murli 15-8-03 says: "श्री कृष्ण तो है रचना no . 1 और शिवबाबा है रचिएता no. 1."
"Shri Krishna to hai rachna no. 1 aur ShivBaba hai rachieta no. 1."
["Shri Krishna is creation no.1 and ShivBaba is creator no. 1"]

Who is this no. 1 creator and no. 1 creation??
BKs would interpret it as bindi ShivBaba is creator and Lekhraj Kirpalani-Krishna is no. 1 creation in Satyug.
PBKs would interpret it as Baba Dixit is ShivBaba no. 1 creator(Sangamyugi Krishna) and Lekhraj Kirpalani(satyugi Krishna) will be no.1 creation.

But i feel that all points of Murlis reveal Sangamyugi secrets and IMO, Sangamyugi creator is no. 1 shivshakti--Mama-ShivBaba(narrator of Murlis) and no. 1 rachna is Baba Dixit(Krishna's soul) who was born from the womb of knowledge ie. Sakar Murlis of Mama-ShivBaba.

In Bhakti-marg and also in Gyan marg, Maya is also known as a creation of GOD...so combining the two beliefs, it is quite evident that Krishna(Virendra Dev Dixit) has been given the role of Godly form of Maya to create an illusion that he is speaking the truth in the form of advance knowledge, and to see who breaks this illusion to become mayajeet.

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Re: Murli points on Krishna.

Post by shivsena » 02 Feb 2012

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Murli 17-7-88 says: "कृष्ण को बाप-teacher- सतगुरु नहीं कहेंगे ."
"Krishna ko Bap-teacher-Satguru nahin kahenge."
['Krishna(Baba Dixit) cannot be called Father-teacher-Satguru."]

The above Murli point spoken by Shiva is not describing the satyugi Krishna but is emerging the Krishna's soul(Baba dixit) in Sangamyug and saying that Baba dixit(who is actually Krishna--first creation) cannot be called Bap-teacher-Satguru.....and is specially spoken for those souls who have not identified correctly the role of Baba Dixit and are under the mayavi illusion that Baba dixit is living ShivBaba(Bap-teacher-Satguru).

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Re: Murli points on Krishna.

Post by shivsena » 13 Feb 2012

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Sharing a very important Murli point which describes who is Krishna's soul in the behad ka drama.

Murli 23-1-90 says: "कृष्ण की आत्मा जब अंत में गाँव का छोरा तमोप्रधन है तब गाली खाई . असल में तो यह कृष्ण की आत्मा है ना , गाँव में पला हुआ है ."

"Krishna ki atma jab anth mein gaon ka chora tamopradhan hai tab gaali khayee. Asal mein to yeh Krishna ki atma hai naa, gaon mein palaa hua hai."
[" Krishna's soul when he is in the end (of 84 births) he is a tamopradhan village boy, then he is cursed. In reality, this(Baba DIxit) is Krishna's soul, who has been brought up in village(Kampil)."]

The above point is describing Baba Dixit (who in reality is Krishna's soul) who has been brought up in a village (Kampil) and who becomes tamopradhan at the end of the behad ka drama (by narrating Krishna ki jhooti Gita) during Sangamyugi shooting....and that is why in the end he will be cursed (by PBKs).

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Re: Murli points on Krishna.

Post by shivsena » 21 Feb 2012

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Murli 5-3-68 says:
"असुरी सम्प्रदाय ना समजने के कारण कितने विग्न डालते हैं ....कह देते हैं की शिव-शंकर एक है . अरे शिव-शंकर अलग हैं . दोनों की एक्टिविटी बिलकुल अलग है ...prime-minister और president को एक थोड़े ही कहेंगे . दोनों का मर्तबा बिलकुल अलग है , तो शिव-शंकर को तुम एक कैसे कहेते हो . राम सम्प्रदाय में आना ही ना है , तो जैसे समजते ही नहीं ."

"Asuri sampradaya na samajne ke karan kitne vigna dalte hain....kah dete hain ki Shiv-Shankar ek hai. Arey Shiv-Shankar alag hain. dono ki activity bilkul alag hai...prime minister aur president ko Ek thode hi kahenge. dono ka martaba bilkul alag hai, to Shiv-Shankar ko tum ek kaise kahete ho. Ram sampradaya mein aana hi na hai to jaise samajte hi nahin."

[" The demons(PBKs) who do not understand put obstacles(manushya-mat in the form of AK)...they(PBKs) say that Shiv-Shankar are one. Arey Shiv-Shankar are different..the activity of both is different...prime minister and president cannot be called one and the same...both have different positions, then how can you say that Shiv-Shankar are one and the same. They(PBKs) do not want to come in Ram's clan (108 shivshaktis), so they do not understand." (that Shiv and no. 1 shakti are same)."]

The above point is clearly describing the future demonic clan (PBKs) of Sangamyugi drama who will believe and preach that Shiv-Shankar are one and the same(deh-dhari)...inspite of many Murlis repeatedly saying that Shiv-Shankar are different, PBKs continue to dis-regard the Sakar Murlis and believe in the teachings of their deh-dhari guru....Murli also says that since they(PBKs) have no part in coming in Ram's clan(ie 108 shivshaktis), so they will never understand that Shiv and Shankar are different.( but Shiva and his no. 1 shakti are same.)

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Re: Murli points on Krishna / Shankar.

Post by shivsena » 29 Feb 2012

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Murli 18-11-02 says: " भोलानाथ शंकर को नहीं कहेंगे , क्यों की शंकर आदि--मध्य--अंत का राज नहीं समजाते ... वह तो भोलानाथ ही बताते हैं ... भोलानाथ वारसा देते हैं .. शंकर वारसा नहीं देते ...शंकर साकार में आते ही नहीं ."

" Bholanath Shankar ko nahin kahenge, kyon ki Shankar adi-madhya-anth ka raaj nahin samjaate...wah to Bholanath hi batate hain. Bholanath(ShivBaba) varsa dete hain..Shankar varsa nahin dete...Shankar Sakar mein aate hi nahin."

" Shankar cannot be called Bholanath(ShivBaba), because Shankar does not explain the secrets of the beginning-middle-end (of behad ka drama)..that is explained only by Bholanath(ShivBaba--no. 1 shivshakti)...Bholanath(ShivBaba) gives inheritance, Shankar does not give inheritance...Shankar does not come in Sakar ".(corporeal)

The above Murli point clearly differentiates between Bholanath--ShivBaba(no 1 shivshakti) and Shankar, who does not play any role in Sakar(corporeal) and does not give any inheritance.....but PBKs still believe that Baba Dixit (a physical personality) is playing the role of Shankar and he will give inheritance to PBKs.

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Re: Murli points on Krishna / Shankar.

Post by shivsena » 02 Mar 2012

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Sharing an interesting point for all PBK Brothers to churn.(who think that Shiv enters Shankar).

Murli 8-12-2001 says : "Bhakti-marg mein Gyan ki ratti bhi nahin ho sakti....manushya Bhakti-marg mein fanse hue hone ke karan, mujhe mushkil hi pechante hain....issliye tum Shiv-Shankar ke chitra par samjaate ho....woh dono ko Ek kar dete hain....woh(Shankar) sukhma-vatanwasi aur woh(Shiv) Paramdham wasi....dono ke sthan alag alag hain, phir ek naam kaise rakh sakte...woh nirakari, woh aakari....aise thode hi kahenge, Shankar mein Shiv ka pravesh hai, jo tum Shiv-Shankar kah dete ho...tumko yeh kisne bataya ki Shiv-Shankar Ek hain...Shankar ko kabhi koi Godfather nahin kahete...Shankar ko bhagwan toh bilkul hi nahin manenge...Shankar ka toh koi part hi nahin hai...kitne patthar-buddhi ban gaye hain....Bhakti-marg mein manushya jo kuch bhi karte , samajte nahin hain."

[ "There is not a grain of knowledge in Bhakti-marg ( behad ka PBK world)...It is very difficult for Humans (PBKs) beings trapped in Bhakti-marg, to recognise me(yartharth roop of Shiv)....That is why you (108) explain on the picture of Shiv-Shankar...they(PBKs) combine the two(Shiv and Shankar) to make them one.....that(Shankar) is Subtle Region dweller and that(Shiv) is dweller of Paramdham...both have different names, so how can you combine the two names...that(Shiv) is nirakari and that (Shankar) is aakari....it cannot be said that Shiv enters Shankar, like you say Shiv-Shankar...who told you(PBKs) that Shiv-Shankar are one...Shankar cannot be called Godfather...Shankar cannot be accepted as bhagwan...Shankar has no part at all (in corporeal world)....how stony-intellect you(PBKs) have become....whatever humans(PBKs) do in Bhakti-marg, they do not understand."]

The above point is self-explanatory and ShivBaba clearly says Shiv and Shankar cannot be combined, but PBKs persist in believing that Shiv enters Shankar.

If Shiv has said in Murlis before 1969, that Shiv does not enter Shankar and Shiv-Shankar cannot be combined, then there is no way that Shiv could enter VD after 1969 (playing the role of Shankar as per PBKs) ....and if the above point is to be believed, then the whole Advanced Knowledge (which rests on the assumption that Shiv enters Shankar-VD ) falls flat and AK is nothing but a bunch of lies(untruth) built on a false foundation and it is to be strongly opposed by true seekers of truth.

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Re: Murli points on Krishna / Shankar.

Post by shivsena » 08 Mar 2012

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Murli 28-10-90 says: "कृष्ण को रूहानी बाप नहीं कहेंगे ."
"Krishna ko ruhani Bap nahin kahenge."
[" Krishna cannot be called spiritual Father."]

In the above point, Shiva is not talking about satyugi Krishna, but emerging first creation Krishna's soul (Baba Dixit) in Sangamyug and telling that Krishna(Baba Dixit) cannot be called spiritual Father.(Baba)

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Re: Murli points on Krishna / Shankar.

Post by shivsena » 19 Mar 2012

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Murli 24-7-03 says: "मनुष्य का बुद्धि-योग चला जाता है कृष्ण तरफ , परन्तु देह-धारी कृष्ण को याद करने से विकर्म विनाश नहीं हो सकते . "

"Manushya ka buddhi-Yoga chala jaata hai Krishna taraf, parantu deh-dhari Krishna ko Yaad karne se vikarma vinash nahin ho sakte."

[" Human(PBK) intellect is turned towards Krishna (Baba Dixit--first creation), but by remembering dehdhari Krishna (Baba Dixit) the sins are not going to be incinerated." ]

The above Murli point is describing the state of the PBK world, where the intellect of PBKs is turned towards Krishna (Baba Dixit), and Shiva is saying that remembering dehdhari Krishna--Baba Dixit, sins are not going to be burnt.

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Re: Murli points on Krishna / Shankar.

Post by shivsena » 04 Apr 2012

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Murli 25-7-03 says: " शंकर के आगे शिवलिंग दिखाते हैं , तो जरूर शिव , शंकर से बड़ा हुआ ना ...अगर शंकर भगवन का रूप है तो फिर उनके सामने शिवलिंग रखने कि क्या दरकार ??... यह सब संयासिओं का फैलाव है ... वोह तो अपने आप को तत्व -ज्ञानी कहेलाते हैं ... शिव का उनको पता ही नहीं ."

" Shankar ke aage shivling dikhate hain, to jaroor Shiv, Shankar se badaa hua na...Agar Shankar Bhagwan ka roop hai to phir unke saamne shivling rakhne ki kya darkaar ??...yeh sab sanyasion ka failav hai... woh toh apne aap ko tatwa-Gyani kahelate hain...Shiv ka unko pataa hi nahin."

[" Shivling is shown in front of Shankar, so definitely Shiv is bigger than Shankar...if Shankar is Bhagwan(God), then why is shivling(combination of Shiv+shakti) kept in front of Shankar ??....these things are all expansion of sanyasis(PBKs), who call themselves tatwa-gyanis(having knowledge of 5 elements of body.)...they(PBKs) do not know who is Shiv ." (combined with no. 1 shakti) ]

The above point is clearly hinting about Shiv-Shankar being different and not Bhagwan....but these things cannot be known by tatwa-gyanis BKs(who think that bindi is ShivBaba) or PBKs( who think that a dehdhari is ShivBaba)...as they do not have any idea that Shiv is always combined with his no. 1 shakti.

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Re: Murli points on Krishna / Shankar.

Post by shivsena » 19 May 2012

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Murli says: "भगवानु-वाच : "मन-माना-भाव " - मुझ अपने बाप को याद करो ...कृष्ण बच्चा तो ऐसे नहीं कहेंगे ना . बाप कहेते हैं की मुझे याद करो तो विकर्म विनाश होंगे और उड़ने के पंख मिल जाएंगे ."

"Bhagwanu-vach: "Man-mana-bhav" - Mujh apne Bap ko Yaad karo...Krishna baccha toh aise nahin kahenge naa. Bap kahete hain ki mujhe Yaad karo toh vikarm vinash honge aur udne ke pankh mil jaaenge."

[meaning: " Man-mana-bhav - Remember me your Father...child Krishna(Baba Dixit-first creation) cannot say this.....Father says if you remember me, then your sins will be burnt and you will get wings to fly".]

The above Murli clearly indicates that the role of Father is not being played through Baba Dixit at present but Baba Dixit is child Krishna (Bada Bhai) who came to know his part through the study of Murlis and hence he cannot say to PBKs "Remember me your Father" .

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Re: Murli points on Krishna / Shankar.

Post by shivsena » 18 Jul 2012


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Murli 2-10-97 says: "कहेते हैं त्रिमूर्ति ब्रह्मा . त्रिमूर्ति में ब्रह्मा को ज्यास्ती रखते हैं . त्रिमूर्ति शंकर नहीं कहेंगे . तीन देवताओं में नंबर one है ब्रह्मा . ब्रह्मा को ही गुरु कहेते हैं . शंकर को व विष्णु को कभी गुरु नहीं कहेंगे . त्रिमूर्ति में मूख्य है ब्रह्मा .

"Kahete hain Trimurti Brahma.Trimurti mein Brahma ko jyasti rakhte hain. Trimurti Shankar nahin kahenge. Teen devtaon mein number one hai Brahma. Brahma ko hi guru kahete hain. Shankar ko va Vishnu ko kabhi guru nahin kahenge. Trimurti men mukhya hai Brahma.

[" It is said Trimurti Brahma. In Trimurti Brahma is given more importance. Trimurti Shankar nahin kahenge. In 3 subtle devtas, Brahma is no. 1. Brahma only is said to be Guru. Shankar and Vishnu cannot be called guru. In Trimurti, main is Brahma."]

The above Murli point completely contradicts the advance teachings that Shankar is superior to Brahma.
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Re: Murli points on Krishna / Shankar.

Post by shivsena » 15 May 2013

Mu: 10-2-72 says: " त्रिमूर्ति ब्रम्हा, देवताओं में बडा शँकर "

Who is this Trimurti Brahma??... and who is this devta Shankar who is eldest ???

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Post by shivsena » 15 Sep 2013

Mu:9-7-68: "Vishnu aur Shankar ko rath nahin banna padta."
According to the above point, supposed Shankar partdhari(-Virendra Dev Dixit) does not become rath-Chariot of Shiva....then why do PBKs insist that Shiv enters Shankar(-Virendra Dev Dixit) and Shiv is going to be revealed as Shankar.

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Re: Murli points on Krishna / Shankar.

Post by shivsena » 18 May 2016

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I am posting a original Murli point(9-7-68) which clearly says in ratri-class: "Brahma ko mehnat karni padti hai. Baba ka rath banna padta hai. Vishnu aur Shankar ko rath nahi banna padta.".

The Murli which i have posted has a date which is hand written....i do not know who has written this....the 7 registers of original Murlis were given to me by a PBK when i started doing deep-study and research of Murlis 12 years back....the original point is clearly visible. ..but the date is ambigious(not clear) as it does not match with the Murli posted by PBKs in their website.

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