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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 21 Sep 2019

Additions to the last post:
13.. 29.8.67.P.M jo kal dekha tha scan Murli me date overwrite kiya hai, usi din ki audio me shayad alag class chali hai.
14. Scan Murli jo handwritten ya typewriter se banaye gaye the, vah bhi revised hi hai, asali nahi. Lekin usko sabse pehle kisne type kiya computer me? In dono me bhi minor mismatches milenge.

Aage kya kya options hai sach pata karne ke liye?
1. Sabse best, apna purushrth karo, Sakar Murli padhte raho.
2. Agar is baar Milan me nakli Baba aate to jaane wale pooch sakte, 17th October ko. Janm le liya ho to patat nahi, fir mushkil hai.

3. Sochne ki baat hai, jab Dixit G ne party nikaala. Tab se BKs ne kahaniya bana shuru kar diya. Jaise ki Baba ek room me jake baith gaye, fir karma laal laal hogaya, kehne lage “....shivohum, shivohum”. Inka Baba sachha hota to aisi kahaniya kyon banana lage? Murliyo me aisa kuchh nahi aaya, ulta bataya ki pata hi nahi chalta praveshata ki. Aisa bhi nahi ki Dixit G ki baton me sacchai thi. Yah to BKs bhi jaante hai. Fir, unka sacchai se virodh na karke, apni sacchi kahani bhi chhipake, jhooth kyo bolega koi? Kuchh books hai, ‘Om Manldi”,”An Reply To Is Justice”—isme shayad BKs ne kuchh changes kiye hai dubara chhapwake , ”Is This Justice”- isme pata chalega asali Mama kyat hi kitna powerful thi bachpan me hi. Yah padhne se hume bhi samajh me aata ki Dada Lekhraj ka partner Sevakram kaun tha. Umr me use bhi chhota tha, Anti Om Mandli me tha wagaira. Fir BKs ko nahi pata tha? Fir bhi yah sab drama kyon? Seedha seedha batao sacchai. Dusri baat, murliyo me hi kahi baar aaya jisse pata chalta ki yagy ke aadi me shuru shuru me satsang me Gita sunanewaala vahi Dada Lekhraj tha, Sevakram nahi. BKs ko pata hi hai. Fir bhi kyon nahi bataya. Kya isse yah samajh liya jaye ki Bhale Dada Lekhraj ne Gita sunaya, Sevakram ne nahi sunaya, lekin inke nakli Baba ne bhi to nahi sunaye, isiliye yah log sach na batakar, ulta dar me kuchh katha kahaniya banana lage.

4. Jisne yah scene dekha tha jahan ‘Baba room me jaate, fir laal laal hua wagaira’ vah unki Bahu Radhika bataya jata hai. Jisko Brijindra Dadi bhi kehte hai yagy me. Sharir Chhod chuki hai. Lekin uska photos dekha to vah to Nakli Brahma ya unke parivaar walo se milti hai. Bahu nahi, beti honi chaie. Yah sirf anumaan hai, check karo khud. Ek or family photo hai Dada Lekhraj ke jisme vo Radhika bhi Kishanchand jib hi hai. Usse bhi compare karo.

5. Abhi inka family par pura research karna pade. Pehle lagta tha ki shayad Sevakram hi baad me yagy me aaya hoga. Fir vah khud hi nakli Baba banke baitha hoga, vah bhi Dada Lekhraj ke rup me, us naam se . Jinke yah bacche hai Narayan Dada, Nirmal Shanta Dadi wagaira. Kyon ki Sevakram ke naam kea age bhi “Narain” (Narayan aise likhte hai) laga hua tha. Yah ‘Narain’ , uska pita ka nam ho fir usne apne bête ko rakha ho “Narain Dada”. Or isi vajah se jab Dixit G ne “Sevakraam” ka naam liya to BKs gabraa gaye. Aisa lagta tha pehle pehle. Baad me yah theory galat laga. Kyon ki Dada Lekhraj ke photos to papers me chhup chuke the yagy ke aadi me jab ladai hua. To itna bewkuf nahi bana sakta koi.

6. Agla option bachta hai ki koi Humshakl ho jo nakli Baba banke baith gaya ho baad me. Waise Dada Lekhraj ke 2 Bhai the. Ek to kafi pehle se sharir chhod chuke the jab tak yagy shuru hua. Vah Tulsidas the, jinka beta Vishwa Kishore Bhau. Dusra ek Bhai bhi tha, shayad Gujrat me Dhandha tha ya fir Kolkata me hi, clear nahi hai. Iske alava ek Behan bhi thi. Bhaiyo ke shakl to milte hi hai na kafi had tak. Waise shuruat me Bhaiyo ne sath nahi diya. S.M.21.12.67.A.M,pg1 ke ant me aaya ki Baba ne apne bhaiyo ko bhi lakhpati bana diya tha (laukik me). Fir jab pavitrata ki baat aai yagy ke aadi me,vah bhi bigad pade. Lekin fir baad me to aaya hoga wapas yagy me. To vahi fir nakli banke baitha hoga. Abhi vah Dada Lekhraj se chhota tha ya bada, yah nahi pata. Chhota hona chaie waise. Narayan Dada to batate ki Dada Lekhraaj sabse chhota tha Bhaiyo me. Narayan Dada to nakli Baba ke bête hi lagte hai, unko hi Dada Lekhraj batate hai. Nirmal Shanta Dadi bhi nakli ke bête honge, jniko bachpan me Dada Lekhraj ne paala hoga.

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Please note: yah maatr ek anumaan hai. Isme kafi variations ho sakte hai.

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 21 Sep 2019

Coninuation to the last post,
7. Ab Kishanchand kiske bête honge? Radhika kaun hai or kaha gayi? Kishanchand ka parivaar to videsh chala gaya tha, abhi to unko beta Ganshyam bhi nahi rahe. Shayad ek beti hai.
8. Yashodha Mata asali Brahma ke yugal rahe honge.
9. Ab in sabka jawab kaun dega? Bache hi kitne hai ab? Dadi Janki, Mohini Didi? Santri Dadi?

10. Narayan Dada ke bêta bhi hai Mumbai me. Manoj Kripalani, jo facebook me aajkal kuchh pics upload kar rahe hai, fir bhi jhooth hi bata rahe hai. Ek pic shayad hatha diya jo Kishanchand ki beti kit hi shayad jisme vah badi thi. Ek or pic hai jisme bachpan ki pic hai Kishanchand ki beti- Mohini Kripalani ki, jo dusri wife bhagwati ki beti bataya gaya hai shayad. Tulsidas kea lava jo dusra Bhai tha Dada Lekhraj ka, uska naam Navalrai bataya gaya.
11. Recently, kidhar to padha tha ki Dada Lekhraj ka dukan Kolkata me ‘New Market’ area me nahi tha. Pata nahi isme kitni sacchai hai

12. Yah kuchh youtube videos dekh lo Narayan Dada ke. Kuchh bhi chadha ke bata rahe hai. Agar sach me aisa hota inka Baba to chadhake batane ki jarurat nahi hoti. Asali Dada Lekhraj to sach me achha khaasa tha jaise Murli me aaya. Ek me to Ramesh Bhai bhi hai, dono milke kya natak racha hai,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0NqljBc5v4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdDA5xeCj_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk2GKUHXgGc

13. Santri Dadi ka bhi video dekh lo, kuchh bhi kahani bata rahi hai. Yah Vishwa Kishore ki yugal hai laukik me,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzHmwKQ0kIQ&t=1171s

14. Ab asali Mama kaun thi? Unke bhi photos chhap chuke the, Kalp tree wagaira me. Om Radhe Mama ki ek sister thi “Gopi”. BKs ke hi ek article me padha tha jo abhi mil nahi raha hai, mila to share karenge, usme bataya ki vah dono ek jaise dikhte the, dono mana Om Radhe Mama or unki sister “Gopi”. Usme yah bhi bataya gaya ki “Gop” ne sharir chhod diya tha yagy ke aadi me hi, typhoid ya kuchh hua tha, Sindh me hi. Lekin kya pata, ‘Gopi” ne sharir hi nahi chhoda ho us samay, inhone kahaani bana di ho. Vahi Gopi baad me Mama banke baith gayi ho jisne fir 1965 me sharir chhoda ho. Asali Mama to pehle gai hogi, asali Baba ke jaane se pehle hi.

15. Akhir me, internet me kafi photos milenge Mama-Baba ke. Usme asali Mama-Baba kaun hai? Nakli kaun hai? Jo dikhte ek jaise ho to pehchaanna mushkil hai. Fir bhi kuchh minor changes dekhe gaye hai. Jaise Baba ka hairstyle me shayad thoda farak hai. Waise hi Mama me bhi kuchh farak dikhta hai. Khaas karke asali or nakli ke chehre ke expressions, unka attitude yah sab cheeje gour karne ki hai. Mama me case me to nakli or asali ke chehre ke expression me kafi farak hai. Baba ke case me ‘hair style’ or ‘moochhe’ me farak hai. Google karo “Om Radhe Mama”, “Dada Lekhraaj” wagaira, fir images me dekho.

Kuchh examples attach kare rahe. Ek nakli Mama ka pic tha jisme vah bhi veena bajane wali pose de rahi thi imitate karte hue. Dusri ek asali Mama ki pic jisme vah Car me baithi hai. Yah dono mila to jarur study karo, filhal nahi mile.
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Post by xpbk » 22 Sep 2019

Additions:
1. Jahan tak hume Yaad hai kuchh proofs the jisme yah pata chala tha ki Dada Lekhraj, 1932 me dukan band karke aagaya tha, 1936 me nahi. Shayad “Is this Justice” me milega.
S.M.22.8.61 page 2 ke ant me aaya “Sabko khalas hona hai…Baki 10-12 varsh hai. Fir hum rajy le lenge”. Dekho, 61 me 10-12 varsh bata diya tha, fir 66 me kaise fir se 10 varsh batayenge. Agar yah 61 ki Vani, vastav me 61 me hi chali hai to fir 71-73 ke liye vinash ki ghoshana hui thi.
2. Ek ‘Date Of Birth’ Certificate’ mila tha usi 2012-13 ke aaspaas, jiske hisab se, Dada Lekhraj ka DOB ’15-12-1884’ hai. Gaon me mujhe nahi lagta yah sab cheej accurate koi note karta hoga. Ek scan Murli me Baba ne bataya tha Baba ki age ke bare me ki Karachi me jo janaganati karne wale aate the vah kehte the ki 90 (ya shayad 92) varsh ke honge.
Jab is tarah ki baate nikal aai 2012-13 me to shayad BKs ne fir 1929 me yagy ki shuruat batai fir literature me change karne ko maana tha shayad, itna pakka Yaad nahi hai. Lekin 1932 ya usse pehle hi Satsang shuru hogaya tha. Fir BKs ne pehle 1936 kyo bataya? Matlab inka nakli baba ke janm ke hisaab se 1936 me vah 60 saal ke hote honge. Pata nahi exactly. Sacche hote to pehle hi sahi baat bata dete. To baki kitne saal bache honge abhi, pata nahi.

Sabse pehle yah clear kar de ki abhi tak yah nahi pata ki asali Mama-Baba abhi kaha hai, kaun hai? Na hume, na hi unko jinhone yah research kiya sath me. Na hi humari koi party hai.

Baki sab partyo ke liye, hume bhi jod ke:
Socho, Dixit G koi Vishnu par kiase ishare denge? Unhone humesha, har baat khud par lagu kari hai. Pehle Dixit G ko samjho. Waise hi pehle nakli Brahma ko samjho, jinhone audios me humesha Shankar ke bare me vahi bataya acchhe se jo kagaj ki murliyo me aaya. To sabse pehle sare Sakar Murli padhna pade, jo sabka adhar hai, har party ka, fir apna apna party me kahi gai bato ko verify karo murliyo se. Hum jab market me jate sabji ya phal kharidne to 4-5 jagah rate pata karte fir kharidte. Itna mehnat 10-15 bachane ke liye. Yahan to kisiko Bhagwan maanne ka matlab apni sari zindagi daav par laga dena, sath me apne parivaar- Maa-baap, beebi bacche sabko. Agar parivar Gyan me chala to bhi unka satyanash, nahi chala to hum unka khayal nahi rakhte na jyada, ignore karte hai, to usme bhi unka loss. Itna bada faisla, itni badi qurbani dene se pehle kuchh to research karna chaie, samajhna chaie ki kya sach me yah Bhagwaan hai?
PBKs ke liye or bhi simple tarika, jo Sacchi Gita khand 1 hai uske points uthao jo 1969 se pehle wale date ke hai, uska agar asali Murli hai to verify karte jao. Topics to bahut hai, Shankar kya? Brahma kitne? Prajapita kaun? Khaas karke, Sangamyugi L.N, Wagaira wagaira.
Itna andhakar phaila hua ki logo ko yahi nahi pata chalta ki kaunsi baat original Murli ki hai, kaunsi PBKs wala Gyan ki hai. Dekha gaya ki jo PBKs ke khilaaf hai, vah jo Gyan ki bate karte to vahi PBKs ka Gyan bhara hua. Unko lagta ki yah sab Murli me aaya tabhi Dixit G apne VCDs me batate. Dixit G ne Murli ki acchhi bato ko aise sunaya jaise vah khud ka manthan ho- jaise moar ki pavitrata ki baat. Or jo khud ka agyan hai, use aise pesh kiya jaise vah Murli ki hi baat ho. VCD sunte waqt hume pata thodi chalta hai, hum kaunsa kagaj ki Murli ko refer kar rahe. Vah to padhne ko bhi mana kar diya, 3rd class bol diya.

sabse pehle har baat me sawaal uthao, khud parakh lo har cheej ko. Sawaal uthana maana Gora kagaj banna. Hume kuchh nahi pata, ekdum naye se shuru karte, jaante hai sach kya hai. Sabse pehle Sakar Murlis padhna pade jisme kafi tarah ke hai. 1. Computer typed Murlis- 1958 to 1969 2. Scan Murlis 1964 to 1969 3. Nakli Brahma’s audio 4. Jo BKs ke revised Murlis hai, jisme har cycle me kuchh na kuchh cutting hoti aai hai, to yah last option hai 5. Iske baad bahut kuchh hai, AV verify karo, Sandesh verify karo etc 6.Kuchh kitaab hai, ‘Om Mandli ‘, ‘Is this Justice’, ’An Reply To Is This Justice’.

Isme pehla category se shuru karna chaie. Agar Laptop ya mobile padhna ho to year-month wise download karke, arrange karke rakho. Ya humare pass jo kiya hua hai vah “Admin” ko bhej denge. Chhapa hua chayie to uske liye e-books banaya hai kuchh logo ne, vo bhi “Admins” ko bhej denge. www.printonweb.in .website me isko print kara sakte ho. File upload karo, order karo seedha ghar pe aayega. Iske bad, jo Murli pehla category me nahi mila ho or scan/audio me hi hai to vah bhi padh/sun sakte.

Padhte waqt, points note karna ho to, pehle se topics decide karna chaie. Jaise Shankar, Shivling, Prajapita, Suxmvatan, Karmatit stage,Baba ki Jivan kahani, Vinash ki Ghoshnaye, Prajapita, Atma ke bare me, paramatma ke bare me,, Yaad, Drama, Mama ke sharir chhodne ke bare me etc naam ke ‘Notepad’ files banao laptop me ya fir register me alag alag page pe. jisko jitni topics ki jarurat ho, utnai karo, bad me add bhi karte jao naye naye topics. Fir jab padhte jayenge to jaise jo point aaya usko us section me short me note karte jao, sirf page no. or aadi/madhy/ant jahan bhi aaya itna bhi likh diya to kafi hai, pura point likhne ki jarurat nahi hai ki kya kya bola.Kyon ki topic ko nam diya hua hai. Sirf reference chaie ki is topic par kaha kaha aaya. Isse dusra fayda, baad me alag se baith points ka segregation karna nahi padega, jo bahut difficult kam hai. Teesri baat, jab Murli me koi baat aati, jaise suxmvatan ke bare me jyadatar confusion hota hai. Lekin jab sari Murlis padhenge, or jitney bhi suxmvatan par points mile hai, un sabko ikatta kar study karne se clear hota hai.

Humare hisaab se 2 sabse important cheej Gyan me- atma or Drama ke bare me acchhe se samajhna. Or 2 sabse bade challenges- ahankar or Dehbhan. Kam vikar to hai hi. In points par jarur gour karna chaie Murli padhte waqt.

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Post by xpbk » 22 Sep 2019

A glimpse of the journey of remembrance

First of all, let's see “what is the journey of remembrance?” based on what has been said in the Murlis,
(This is not a comparison or a some kind of unlimited meaning as in PBKs and also this not a final verdict or something. It’s just a thought. Don’t assume anything, find out for yourself)

If you read S.M.28.8.62.A.M- in page 3, Baba is says, actually, Yoga is in everything that people do. Like, saddler, cobbler. They just focus their mind and learn the skill. Let’s say there is a King, then his mind will be in his kingdom.
It’s like practicing/focusing/learning/gaining knowledge and working on something and become a master or achieve something or make money based on that skill.That is Yoga. During this course of Yoga, they will definitely keep thinking on the earnings/fame etc which further motivates them, this is also a part of the Yoga. If someone failed at something it’s just because there was a lack of Yoga or focus.
Taking the example of students. They focus on their teacher. Otherwise how will they learn? They should focus on the teachings. If I want to become a surgeon, I should focus and learn the surgery during my academics, because this is what of I would do later.

Things are interconnected also. Like, somewhere only knowledge is enough. Somewhere a skill is important, but knowledge is required to gain that skill.

So it is also said in the Murlis, you should not say Yoga. Remembrance is the right word. Because, you don’t have to sit for this. Yoga, meditation are not the right words.

Similarly, this is Rajyog. This is the highest and purest kind of Yoga and every other Yoga in the world is impure. Because,we are not doing it for this body, but next life or for the soul. So what is the purpose of this Yoga? To become diety, get inheritance from the Father, become king in the NEXT LIFE. So, we should understand the knowledge also. This learning or even teaching this to someone is also a part of RajYoga. Talking about it, thinking about it, visualizing (with belief based on the knowledge) the dynasty of L.N, thinking of that new world- is all part of that Yoga. Main thing is, we should remember always, this is for next life. You know it’s for next life and still happy about it, the you are in Remembrance. Baba says, ‘If you even just remember that this is drama, that is also Yoga”. Similarly, any other point of knowledge. If you remember the knowledge and you are happy, definitely you will remember the teacher also. At least, to thank him. Baba says if you do ‘manmanabhav’, which means ‘remember me’ then you will get ‘Madhyajibhav’ which means the inheritance/kingdom etc. As people learn something and then they earn something out of that skill. So even if you remember the end result of this Yoga, that is also Yoga. We have to go back to Shantidham and come back to Sukhdham (Heaven), remembering this is also Yoga. You should not sit and imagine the Parandham or remember. It’s all about knowledge. Keeping that in the mind or thinking over it is Yoga.
Intensity matters. How serious are about the results? Desiring for something in next life is a great thing. But,not enough. Are you really serious about it? How strongly you believe it? So, deepness matters a lot.

What is wrong?
Remembering Parandham, or a point of light or someone’s body is not at all Rajyog. Expecting something for the current life or body, including fame is not at all Rajyog.Talking or thinking or teaching about personality development/stress management/relationship management etc like BKs do is not all Rajyog.

Importance of Yoga: Baba had said many things in the Murlis. It is said in a very serious manner ‘This is the only way out’. ‘I guarantee you, you will become pure / your sins will burn’, It is also said ‘The Father (shiv) promises you, if you remember me you will become sathopradhan (pure)’. ‘You will be very happy’. ‘You become unhappy only because, you becme body conscious or you think that you are a body’. ‘Forget about everything- how the rosary will be formed, how the heaven is going to be like, who will become what, what is my number etc, just focus on Yoga and you will understand everything later’, ’at least remember me first’. ‘At least remember the big form (Shivling)’ etc

That ultimately means, this is real. It actually happens. We, the souls become pure and no doubt about it. The results are also instantaneous, though may not last longer in the beginning.

It is also said that we become complete only in the end and till then we would definitely have disturbance (may be not until the ultimate end). But we should not afraid. As soon as you start remembering Maya will attack like anything. But the final purusharth is based on the overall purusharth of the entire life.

Deep remembrance: Everyone knows, we are souls. Is that enough Yoga? You should realize first based on vichar sagar manthan. Better we should not use ther word ‘manthan’ (churning). It’s about thinking deep into something. It’s not about getting yourself lost in something. Conciously thinking over something or studying to know the truth. Baba talks about two more things, especially for remembrance- Ekant and Antrmukh. You should do Vichar sagar by being in ekant.
When (Shiv) Baba used to enter Brahma Baba, it was correct to remember in Sakar (Corporeal body). But if it was just an assumption (andhashraddha) or because someone thought you so or because of love on Brahma baba, then it was also wrong. It’s all about the knowledge. Shiv was present in him, knowing this was Yoga. It’s not remembering a body. When baba is here on this earth and you remember Baba in Parandham is completely wrong. We don't know where is Baba now, but that is fine. If you know for sure that he is here somewhere, that is Yoga. But if you assume that he is in some so and so personality (like various parties), then it's completely wrong.
Rember Parandham- to understand it, that is Yoga. Remembering does not mean memorizing (ratta maarna) or imagining something.

Most of the things explained here are based on Murli points. But I request you to study the Murlis and verify everything.

Some Murli references below on the journey of remembrance,
24.3.68.A.M-pg2-beginning & pg4-beginning, 23.4.68.A.M, 6.4.68.A.M-pg 1/2/3,
8.4.68.A.M-pg3-end, 25.4.68.A.M, 17.9.68.A.M-pg2-end & pg3 (Wonderful point),
17.12.68.AM-pg1-end & pg2 (Amazing), 18.4.68.A.M, 9.2.68.A.M, 12.2.68.A.M-pg2,
19.2.68..P.M, 20.2.68..P.M, 23.2.68.A.M, 31.3.68.A.M-pg1/2

And there are many more. MOST IMPORTANT- 5.11.67.A.M & 6.11.67.A.M, you should read these two at least once in evey 15 days.

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