Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 20 Nov 2019


Let’s discuss on two more important aspects. First, when did Shiv enter in Dada Lekhraj? Second, the year of destruction as predicted in the Murlis.

We are not going to discuss on how old was Dada Lekhraj when Shiv entered him. I know, we have a birth certificate and also, the articles of newspapers published in 1936, which prove that he was 52 years old in 1936. I have my own views and some Murli references which talk about his age. But, it’s not required here.

Also, we are not going to discuss why destruction did not take place in 1976 as predicted. We have research work on this and reasons to justify. But again, this is not required here.

We will come back to PBKs, in the next post.

We have already discussed that Dada Lekhraj shuts his business in 1932 and starts satsang. This is clearly written in the book called “Is This Justice” written by Om Radhe Mama. Many of us know this already. He closed his business, because he experienced visions and also, ShivBaba entered in him during the same period.

To answer PBKs, there are many Murlis which say, Baba (Shiv) entered at the same period when Dada Lekhraj started experiencing the visions. It is also said in the Murlis that Dada Lekhraj sacrificed everything and closed his business, immediately when he had visions. It is also said, Baba(Shiv) had him do that. There are many other Murli references.

So, we cannot also say that he closed his business in 1932, but Shiv entered in him later in 1936. No. He entered him either in 1932 or even before.
You will find the court paper here, ... 20view.pdf

Go to page no. 21,
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And the destruction was not predicted in 1966 for the first time as Baba Dixit teaches. It was said even in 22.8.61 that the destruction would happen in 10-12 years. So actually, the destruction was predicted for 1971 - 1973. Not for 1976.

S.M.22.8.61, end of page2 [Hindi Murli],

But I want to connect these two things and try to understand why BKs lied that Shiv entered in Dada Lekhraj in 1936 and why did they change the year of destruction to 1976.

See, if some Murli of the year 1966 says, the destruction would take place in 10 years, it means, 1976 is the year of destruction.
Firstly, we should understand that BKs revised the Murlis from 1963.
So, in this example above, if it was revised in 1966, then when was it originally narrated? God knows.

As we have an example of one of such original Murlis as stated earlier. In 1961, it was already said, the destruction would happen in 10-12 years. So, in 1966, the Murli should say 5-7 years. Because, S.M.22.8.61 is an original Murli.

But, when BKs revised the Murlis, in 1966 it is said 10 years, then in 1967 it was said 9 years, in 1968 it was said 8 years and in 1969, 7 years. All pointing to 1976.

It was well planned. Maybe they revised the old Murlis in such a way to make the year of destruction to be 1976. Or they have edited the original Murlis while revising; they only need to change the numbers. like 10,9,8 and so on.

Similarly, some Murlis which talk about Shiv Jayanti. According to the Murlis, Shiv Jayanti is the day when Shiv entered in Dada Lekhraj for the first time, though we cannot give the exact date and time.
So there are many Murlis which talk about how many years have been passed since Shiv Jayanti. So, if it is 1966, the Murli would say, ‘it’s been 30 years’. If it is 1968,’it has been 32 years’ and so on. This makes us feel that this Brahma of BKs is the real Brahma and these are direct Murlis and also, that Shiv entered in 1936. That’s what BKs want too.

Here also, they either edited the original Murlis. Or they just revised in such a way, so as to prove that Shiv Jayanti happened 1936.
So, when it is said ‘it’s been 27 years’ in 1963, the original date of the Murli should be 1959. Because, if you calculate from 1932, adding 27 years would give you 1959.

Mostly, they have edited the Murlis in both the cases of Shiv jayanti & the year of destruction.
But why 1976? Why 1936? You should understand this connection, how they are trying to connect 1936 with 1976. First, they lied that ShivBaba entered in Dada Lekhraj in 1936. Then, they edited the Murlis for Shiv Jayanti. Then, edited the Murlis to make the year of destruction to be 1976.

So the year of Shiv Jayanti and the year of destruction were originally 1932 and 1972.

We need to understand the reason. Why 1936 and 1976? They are lying, but why particularly 1936 and 1976? Why not 1934 and 1974? Why not 1937 and 1977? Why not something else?

Because, maybe the fake Baba was 60 years old in 1936. Or maybe, because there are newspaper evidences of 1936 and hence they cannot move it any further. That’s the whole point. They altered the dates to match their requirements.

This evidence also proves that they have revised the Murlis and also edited them. It's as well a clear proof of how they have imitated everything.
Otherwise, there is no point in lying. Sewakarm’s thing is also completely out of syllabus. Then why lie?

Let's see some Murlis which were revised after 1969,

See, this is how they used to edit after 1969. But this was fine. There are many more revised Murlis between 1969 and 1976, where we see similar cases. Nobody objected it. Because, everybody was thinking that the destruction would happen in 1976 and hence it was right to let the people know about it.
I am not objecting this. But, the point is, they learnt this skill long back. They did the same thing when they revised the Murlis from1963, as we discussed earlier.

BKs also lied that Dada Lekhraj was born in 1876. They are good at matching the things. Isn’t it? Actually, even if Dada Lekhraj was 60 years old when Shiv entered in him, his year of birth should be 1872.

Wait for the next post.

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 20 Nov 2019

"Piyu and Piyu Vanis"

We have seen in the last post that the year of destruction as predicted in the Murlis was 1972-73 and not 1976. We have also discussed that Shiv entered Dada Lekhraj in 1932 and. We are actually done with PBKs.

Basically, I don’t have to write this post to answer PBKs. But, there is a purpose behind it. This is for everyone. Let's keep it short.

Now according to Baba Dixit, Shiv Jayanti was supposed to happen in 2018, which again did not happen. Such an illiterate man!
He failed everywhere. In fact, he tried hard to fail or to go as low as possible.

Just to answer PBKs, Dada Lekhraj’s partner Sewakram was younger than him, or of same age. And the destruction was not predicted in 1966 for the first time as Baba Dixit teaches. It was already said in S.M. 22.8.61 that the destruction would happen in 10-12 years. So actually the destruction was predicted to take place between 1971 and 1973. Not 1976.

There are Murlis of 1965 which state that the destruction would take place in 8-10 years. If you wish to check- S.M.10.5.65.AM, end of the middle part of page 1 and S.M.26.7.65, middle of page 3.

Baba Dixit claims, he studied the complete set of Murlis. What a joke! Then why did you assume the role Ram, Shankar and Vyas etc. Actually, it's not even your fault. Shankar also is working inside you. So this prediction didn’t start coming in 1966. There are many Murlis of 1965, where it was already said. More than that, these were revised Murlis.

Baba Dixit gave many clarifications, class after class, on 1976. All wasted. Bapuji Dashrath Patel had his own view. Based on the same Murlis, he says Lakshmi-Narayan were born in 1956. Maybe, it's his year of birth. Everybody is only wasting their time. It was not about subtle birth, it was not about a birth in the Iron age. It was the real birth of Lakshmi-Narayan in the Golden Age, but the prediction failed.

If required, we may discuss more on Shewakram later. The reality of Shewakram is completely different from what Baba Dixit teaches.
For now, you may refer this, ... latest.pdf

At page no. 25 & 26,

Or read this here, ... t_1938.pdf

At page no. 10 (Page 7 in PDF),
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There was another Shewakram who was one of the secretarities of the Anti Om Mandli, not Dada Lekhraj's partner.
Earlier, I assumed both of them to be same. It was my mistake.

Let’s come to the important part of this discussion. There was no role of Shewakram. Also, it was Dada Lekhraj, not Shewakram, who used to read Bhagwad Gita in the beginning of the Yagya. Baba Dixit was utterly false in these two things. But, the question is, why BKs were afraid of him even then?

Let's first understand, how did Baba Dixit imagine the story of Shewakram?

As Baba Dixit himself says, the BKs used to talk about someone called Piyu when he entered in the Yagya, which was around the same period when the fake brahma left his body and the same Piyu used to narrate Bhagwad Gita in the beginning of Yagya according to BKs.
Based on this knowledge which we discussed above, along with some cartoon which BKs released around the same period, now Baba Dixit messed up everything. Hence he came up with a funny story of his own, which he truly deserves.

But, he was half right at least. There was definitely some other personality other than the fake Brahma, whom BKs start remembering as soon as their own fake Brahma left his body. But, he was not only present in the beginning; he was there until 1962-63. It is none other than Dada Lekhraj, the real Brahma. Otherwise, why would they even mention some extra personality?

Later, as Baba Dixit says, BKs removed that cartoon and they even stopped talking about Piyu, which is correct. But, Baba Dixit assumed, it’s because his own story is true,so they stopped talking about Piyu. He was utterly false. BKs had their own secret.

They even started opposing Baba Dixit to protect themselves. But, Baba Dixit never reached the truth. He never cared for it. He only wanted to become a Baba.

Now imagine, based on Baba Dixit’s beliefs, how hard people tried to get the Piyu Vanis. People went all the way to Karachi to search. What an ignorance! Great Baba Dixit! There is nothing as such Piyu Vanis at all.

Moreover, actually Piyu is Shiv, which is explained in many Murlis. But, BKs just used that name to refer to some other personality, who was actually Dada Lekhraj. They cannot take the name of Dada Lekhraj. Because, they have promoted their own fake Baba as Dada Lekhraj. So they need some other name to refer to the original Dada Lekhraj. So they used Piyu.

Amazing, isn’t it?

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 21 Nov 2019

"BKs are experts in imitating"

Some more important observations:

1. We have seen how BKs have imitated everything, not only Brahma. Mama, Jagdish, Kumarika, Ramesh-Usha, Manohar, Shanta, Mohini etc were all someone else, BKs imitated everyone. Baba always used to remember some children in the Murlis. Some were titled as special children and they were supposed to be in the rosary of 8.

Like, Jagdish, Kumarika, Shanta etc. were supposed to be in the rosary of 8. There was someone from Delhi called Mohini, Baba used to say, she may also come in the list of 8.

BKs imitated everyone. If you read the biographies written on them, somehow, they planned to fit everyone in the story. Like Ramesh, Jagdisg etc came into the Knowledge at a very younger age as they write in the biographies.

Baba always used to appreciate Jagdish. He was given higher place than Mama-Baba also. He was very intelligent.
Jagdish used to write 'True Gita'. It is said in one of the Murlis that 'True Gita' was written in Sindhi earlier.
Such Kumarika and Jagdish could not face Baba Dixit? How is it possible? Even we understood after reading few Murlis that Baba Dixit is nothing more than an illiterate. Even those who never went to school have some brain. But, Baba Dixit has none. Every Murli is against his knowledge. In the Murlis, everything is said against Ram, Shankar, Vyas etc. And Baba Dixit says, he is Ram, Shankar, vyas etc. But the wonder is, these special children of Baba who were in the knowledge for such a long time and also read the Murlis for such a long time, they were not able to face Baba Dixit. They started training the people to fight against Baba Dixit. They even started editing the original Murlis, which was absolutely not necessary.
How can they be Kumarika, Jagdish etc?

They were all fake versions of BKs. This fake jagdish either wrote his own 'True Gita' to imitate. Or he may have modified the original one based on his own understanding.

Some people were discussing in this forum long back that there is some confusion around his name. We know Jagdish is the author of many books. He used to write his name in many different ways in diffrent books. Somewhere it is 'Raj Yogi B.K.Chander', 'Brahma Kumar Jagdish Chander', 'B.K. Jagdish Chander Hassija', somewhere it is 'Raj Yogi Jagdish Chander'.

I have seen that name of the author of 'True Gita' is written as 'Sanjoy' somewhere. Of course, Baba used to call Jagdish as Sanjay. It was even said, everyone is Sanjay (of Mahabharat fame).
But, as I understand, the Bengali people in India pronounce the words this way, like, Sanjay as Sanjoy. But, nothing is much clear. But, this Jagdish and everyone else were fake.

Let's take the example of Ramesh and Usha. As I understand from the Murlis, they were real couple, who lived in Mumbai.
Baba always used to remember them in the Murlis. It was said for Usha that she has profound knowledge of Bhagwad Gita of path of devotion and she must use it in the service. These are the facts from the Murlis.

Now let's look at how hard BKs tried to imitate them. We know Ramesh Shah who was in Mumbai.
Does anyone even know his wife Usha? At least, she was not famous in the BKs world. I heard her name only once in one of the Avyakt Vanis when she came to meet Avyakt BapDada along with Ramesh Shah.
How is it possible? She was at least not famous for knowing 'Bhagwad Gita'.

Most important thing is these Ramesh and Usha were not real couples. Ramesh married to save her from the parents. It was a gandharv marriage. If I am not wrong, this gandharv marriage was not to save her from the parents, but to imitate. Even if it was to save her from the worldly marriage, it was an imitation. It was only an imitation in any case.

Those real Ramesh and Usha were real couple. Nobody knew this fake Usha. She also left her body in 2012.

Now, do you know another Usha Didi? Everyone knows her. She is good at Bhagwad Gita. You will find many classes of Usha Didi where she clarifies the knowledge based on Bhagwad Gita. Nowadays, she was playing with Ramayan.

But, she is not Ramesh Shah's wife. But, BKs somehow tried to imitate the original Usha.

This Usha Didi was not even present in the Yagya when original Murlis were narrated. She was not present during the period of the fake Brahma also. She came in the knowledge in the 70s.


Everything was imitated.

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 21 Nov 2019

2. One more important thing to note about fake Brahma is when he began conducting the Murli classes in 1963, he was not much confident. He used to skip reading the lines too, specially if something was said regarding Dada.
Later he became an expert, especially during 1968. He became so confident that he started acting, imitating everything. You will observe this in the audio recordings.

3. Another important thing to note is, fake Brahma had good knowledge of the Murlis. He was present in the Yagya when the real Brahma existed, he listened to him directly a lot of times and it was a peaceful and exciting time. So, he learnt a lot. Though, he did not understand them deeply.

So in the audios, we see him giving a lot of clarifications. We see him excited sometimes. Sometimes he gives good clarification. Even the BKs were good earlier in their understanding of knowledge in specific to few things. Like, they knew Ram gets failed, they knew who would give birth to Radha-Krishn etc. Now, they are totally confused.

But, there are many such examples where fake Brahma reads some line in the Murli without actually looking at it fully, so he actually reads some other similar line which he has read in some other Murlis.
For eg: We have discussed an example from S.M.14.4.68.A.M.
"There (in Golden Age), there is no death".
In the original paper-Murli, this is said for Golden Age. We can understand it from the point of view of context also in the Murli.

But when he reads this line, he is totally unaware of the context. He fails to remember what the Murli is talking about. Hence reads it as
"There is no one as (Lord of) death. But this is said only for the sake of explaining".

This doesn't suite the context. But, not just that. This same exact line appears in some other paper-Murli. There, it is said for Copper Age and Iron age. In that paper-Murli, it is explained that 'in the path devotion they show Dharmraj (Lord of death), but he doesn't actually exist. But, Baba use the word (Lord of) death to explain. But, when Baba says death, he doesn't mean Lord of death'.

But, fake Brahma used it in some other class in a wrong context. There are many other similar examples. This clearly proves that he is reading the pre-narrated Murlis, which he has already studied as well before.

4. Another good thing in the audio recordings, we get to know some history. Mostly, he tells his false history. But, sometimes, like he once says, "the children who left the Yagya, for whom the rest used to think they would attain a good rank in the knowledge. Those who used to teach Mama-Baba also. They were actually trance messengers".

Baba Dixit quotes this line everywhere and tries to prove that he, Sister Vedanti and Kamla Devi Sharma are those children who left the Yagya. Just because, they used to act as teachers, he thinks they are the actual mother-Father of the Yagya.

But, the fact is they were trance messengers. There were many similar trance messengers. Baba used many of them in the beginning days of the Yagya, which was a necessity and the actual knowledge began later in the Murlis. Also, Dada Lekhraj was so humble; he used to make the children sit as teachers. Another thing is, it is said in the Murlis that Dada Lekhraj never experienced visions later, it was only in the beginning after which he closed his business and also, Mama never experienced visions.
So, Shiv had to take the help of some messengers.

5. When the real Brahma, Dada Lekhraj used to narrate Murlis, the same were also recorded in the audio cassettes as we understand from one of the paper-Murlis. BKs are hiding them even now.

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Post by xpbk » 21 Nov 2019

"A glimpse of Dada Lekhraj as a person"

6. Next important thing we should understand is the actual Dada Lekhraj's personality. What are his qualities? His life style?
He always seem polite, humble, natural, honest in the Murlis. He never glorifies himself in the Murlis. He always keeps saying good things about the children. About himself, he always shares his experience of how he forgets remembering Baba, how difficult for him as he has to remember him within himself and the children could do better than him in remembering etc. He always says 'Children, you can do better than me'. So humble and caring he was.
It is said in the Murlis that he always keeps thinking about the children. He used to keep giving search light to the children during Amrit Vela. He used to avoid hugging the children, he avoids staring at the children while giving drishti if feels that someone is getting attached to him. He always says, don't remember me, remember only Shiv.

Shiv also says, the children should not become egoistic as Baba is helding them higher than himself. It is only to teach you that you should also become ego-less and simple like him.

He was very experienced of worldly life and of path of devotion. He read 'Bhagwad Gita' for his whole life. He had memorized the religious books of Sikh religion- Sukhmani and Japsaheb. Maybe, that is why we see a lot of quotes coming from those religious books in the Murlis.
He used to worship Narayan a lot. He had 12 Gurus. He was courageous too. He used to ask sanyasis, why did you leave your home? Another instance of Jagannathpuri temple, where he asks a panda (guide) "close your business of prostitution in the temple, otherwise, I will hand you over to the police".

Murlis even talk about how serious he was about maintaining purity in the Yagya. Especially ,in the beginning days. He even fought in the court. He asks a judge, is it wrong to remain pure? Then, the judge becomes silent.

Shiv even says he (Dada Lekhraj) is so simple, ego-less and hence people don't recognize him. It is said many times in the Murlis that "people change their lifestyle and dressing based on their status, post etc. Like office going people will wear the dresses accordingly. Sansyasis wear kafni, orange dresses and they become egoistic as well. But this Dada Lekhraj has not changed a bit even when the highest authority, Shiv has entered in him. He is just like as before. He wears the same kind of dresses, same attitude as before and nothing has changed".

Baba Dixit read only half of the above sentence in a Murli and he started wearing Dhoti. And he says, 'see, this Murli is talking about me. It is indicating that I wear the same dress as I used to as Sewakram'. What a clarification! Baba Dixit, you were not even born and this statement is not for a soul wearing the same dresses across two different lives. You haven't even read the full paragraph. This is how the whole advance knowledge is! May God help PBKs. Baba Dixit, you should first, go and find out what Sewakram used to wear exactly. Otherwise, you will get into more trouble.

It is also explained that Sadharan (ordinary) doesn’t mean poor. Those days, even the millionaires were considered to be ordinary. Murlis also say, "He was actually very poor in his childhood and he was village lad. It’s only later that he became little rich. That too was completely according to the plan of the drama. Because, Bhatti had to be formed and he had to take care of so many children and feed them all".

Baba Dixit never read any of the Murlis fully. He thinks ordinary means very poor and it's him, the real Chariot of Shiv. He calls Dada Lekhraj extra-ordinary. He thinks Dada Lekhraj was a blonde and handsome man. And he himself is a village lad. You are such a selfish man Baba Dixit.

He always took good care of the children. He fed them well, he arranged Bungalows, vehicles etc. We read this in the Murlis as well as in the book called 'Om Mandli' written by Anti Om Mandli members.

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by destroy old world » 22 Nov 2019

From viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2720&start=45#p54609

destroy old world wrote:
18 Nov 2019
It is evident that Brother ‘xpbk’ has NEITHER understood the clarification of ‘Golden Heart’, NOR the clarifications of ‘Zorba the Greek’, CORRECTLY – and he has got himself trapped in the TREACHEROUS bog of making VAGUE assumptions, which he has CONDITIONED himself to believe to be true, over a period of time, under the FORCEFUL influence of Maya!

Please view points 1 & 2, and IN PARTICULAR point 2, of Original SM dated 24.12.1968, Revised on 18.11.2019 viewtopic.php?f=40&p=54608#p54604

Viewers are cautioned NOT to get themselves trapped in the TREACHEROUS bog, of EVEN CONSIDERING the VAGUE assumptions made by Brother ‘xpbk’, under the FORCEFUL influence of Maya – with regard to so-called ‘fake’ Brahma, and other renowned individuals of the Yagya - in his subsequent posts in this topic, which precede this post! Such malicious insinuations, and erroneous assumptions, are based on IGNORANCE of the ACTUAL History of the Yagya, owing to lack of personal associations with the ACTUAL individuals and ACTUAL events, of the particular period in question; which are best corroborated with the genuine, officiating individuals of the Yagya, who have had first-hand knowledge and comprehension of same!

View clarification of ‘Golden Heart’ in point 4 of Revised SM dated 23.11.2019, in link

Also view clarifications of ‘Golden Heart’ -
in point 3 of Revised SM dated 19.11.2019, in link viewtopic.php?f=40&p=54627#p54608
in point 4 of Revised SM dated 20.11.2019, in link viewtopic.php?f=40&p=54627#p54613
in point 4 of Revised SM dated 21.11.2019, in link viewtopic.php?f=40&p=54627#p54618

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Post by xpbk » 22 Nov 2019

Brother destroy old world,

Do you think you can stop me? Can anyone ever change the drama?

OK. I am going to stop writing here onwards. Try your best and see if you can hide the truth at least now.

I don't have to write anything brother. I really don't enjoy doing this much.

You don't need to warn the people to be cautious of me.

I want admins to delete all of my posts right now.

Let's see who wins!

The best thing I learnt in my life is, it is better to let something go than holding on to it forever. I did this many times and I was always happy.

Thank you for another opportunity.

I wish for your happiness.

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by destroy old world » 06 Dec 2019

xpbk wrote:
20 Nov 2019
So, we cannot also say that he closed his business in 1932, but Shiv entered in him later in 1936. No. He entered him either in 1932 or even before.

Golden Heart wrote:
06 Dec 2019
Please be AWARE that in this particular ORIGINAL SM dated 30.12.1968, reference is made to the forthcoming ShivJayanti (scheduled for 15th February, 1969), as the 33rd ShivJayanti, SEVERAL times – (all of which have been omitted in the Revised SM). This CLEARLY CONFIRMS that the Divine INCARNATION of Incorporeal God Father Shiva occurred in 1936, through the impure corporeal body of Brahma Baba or soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani – WHEN Brahma Baba was 60 years old, as clarified in several other SMs!

This proves that certain embodied souls, who have had the opportunity to study this knowledge, even to a great extent, are STILL vulnerable, to be subtly influenced, to convince themselves that certain falsehoods, which are based on their personal misconceptions, are true; and such individuals will continue to base their further deductions, based on such false presumptions, for a prolonged period of time, WITHOUT realizing that they have actually strayed on a wrong path of being instrumental to disseminate falsehood, while delusively believing same to be true!
Such individuals do not realize that they are, in fact, opposing the Shrimat of ShivBaba; neither do they realize the grave consequences of such conduct, for their own personal selves!

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