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Post by andrey » 02 Oct 2006

And it is the study of Murlis (padayee) which are finally going to decide the rosary beads of 108 souls beacus
Will it be the study? It is said the kingdom of the world is obtained by Yoga power. We become pure by yaadh. We clear our role with the practice of soul conciousness. Murli is a scriptuire. Studying scriptures cannot bring liberation and salvation. Liberation and salvation is granted by one direct, practical Father.

It is said faithfull intellect will be victorious. Yes it is said victory for truth, but do we remain faithfull to what is true?

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Post by surya » 02 Oct 2006

Will it be the study? It is said the kingdom of the world is obtained by Yoga power. We become pure by yaadh.

Baba says:
They do not understand this secret matter; they do not remember Father. Where is that remembrance through which one has to become pure? No.VCD-359-Part-II

Brothers,
After reading this Murli clarification by Baba(Virendra Dev Dixit) I agree that the yaadh is very important! Baba said to me that we can ask questions and questions but at the end only the essence of everything will remain. So what's the essence? Yaadh! :o
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Post by bansy » 02 Oct 2006

Andrey wrote:Murli is a scriptuire. Studying scriptures cannot bring liberation and salvation
Brother, This is confusing.
In the broad drama, I understood "scriptures" are anything spoken or written outside of the Confluence Age. Once the Golden Age starts, the Murlis will become scriptures. If Murlis are not needed, then there's no need for Father Shiva to enter any Chariot. Is there no flute player Murlidhar ?

If we are to take the subtle drama, the according the the Advanced Knowledge, anything after the Silver Age shooting period (1989) is "scripture" ?? What do all the extracts and clarifications that Arjunbhai has kindly been consistently posting mean ?

I agree Yaad is important but then should we therefore not study anymore ?

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Post by john » 02 Oct 2006

andrey wrote:Will it be the study? It is said the kingdom of the world is obtained by Yoga power. We become pure by yaadh. We clear our role with the practice of soul conciousness. Murli is a scriptuire. Studying scriprures cannot bring liberation and salvation. Liberation and salvation is granted by one direct, practical Father.
I think that is a misleading thing to say.

To me it is like saying what is most important breathing, eating or drinking? Yes, it can be said breathing is most important like Yaad, but without the others what will be our condition ... ?

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Post by arjun » 03 Oct 2006

Sister Bansy,
Om Shanti. Yes, Baba has said in the advance knoweledge that the Murlis published by the BKs are also like scriptures (Gita to be specific); the other kinds of literatures published by the BKs are also scriptures of the Brahmin world. But the advance knowledge that ShivBaba is now narrating since 1976 is like the nectar of knowledge of Gita (Gita gyaan Amrit). But I am not sure if the PBK Murlis that are being published and also being quoted on this forum can be called scriptures. I shall find out and tell you.

Brother John,
Om Shanti. Yes, you are correct to say that Yaad (remembrance) alone is not important. Yaad is like power-packed food. But one cannot remain alive just by eating power-packed food always. So the water of knowledge (gyaan jal) is also required. The water of love is also required. So, the Supreme Father Shiv is showering the water of knowledge and love also upon us.

With regards,
OGS,
Arjun

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Post by andrey » 09 Oct 2006

Dear brother John,

When you yourself know which is the number one aspect what do you try to prove? Using the given example it can be said e.g., that if we accept that lungs get filled with air when we breath, then the way to fill them with air is to breath. There is no other possibility like filling them when eating or drinking.

Its not a matter of how we stay alive or not. It's a simple, basic matter. Yes, purity is even befor this. By holy, be yogi. The more purity we have the better Yoga and the other way. The more service the more knowledge. Yes, all work together, complement one the other, but one is one. It is the most important , the most difficult. Maya comes there. So we win over Maya there. She also puts obstacles in service but it becomes clearly visible. Inside Maya comes. We are not even aware.

So, yes, brother if we apply the double lock (of rememberance and service) then OK Maya will not be able to enter. We would have become mayaproof.

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Post by andrey » 10 Oct 2006

You try to prove the knowledge ambiguous, that it cannot be taken as granted, that one can extract various meanings that can vary from understanding to another, but is this due to the knowledge itself or the one who grasps it.

It is because one grasps something, someone else another thing. Like in school, the teacher teaches; one student can understand more, one less, one misunderstands but it is certain that here the teacher himself is good. He is the best of all. He is God himself.

Even the students are the best amongs all human beings.

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Post by john » 10 Oct 2006

Andrey wrote:one student can understand more, one less, one can misunderstand,
Yes Andrey, that is a fair point. Would you not agree that one sure sign of a misunderstanding student is someone who babbles on incohesively? Another sign being one who just cuts and pastes Murli as an answer with no thought put into it.

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Post by andrey » 10 Oct 2006

But study is one and the teacher is one. If I have misunderstood something I may also correct myself. I may also have my inner justification to speak as I do, however it may not be clear to others. I may also see valuable points from the Murli which I would like to share.
We are God student’s isn’t it? Who is God. Whom does He teach us through. So far I think we have opposite opinions regarding this matter, so it is also possible that we don’t study one and the same study.

According to me a misunderstanding student will rather sit silent, because of his inner misunderstanding and confusion. Yes, it is possible that he is internally convinced in something in a very clear way that in front of the teacher or the other students it appears to be wrong, but if he opens up he can only correct his view as he likes. So if you find such incorrectness in me, I would please, ask you to caution me. So far you have said regarding speaking without clear connection that I have not accepted as my shortcoming as yet and I’m not sure whether I will in future. If it really is a defect I better change it into effect. So, please, proceed.

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Post by creative » 12 Oct 2006

arjun wrote:I think it has been mentioned in Sakar Murlis that 'Dada' means elder Brother. So, excluding the Father of humanity, among all the remaining human soul-like Brothers, the soul of Krishna or Dada Lekhraj (Brahma Baba) is the eldest Brother and hence referred to as 'Dada' in the word 'BapDada'.
Arjun Bhai,

Can you clarify what does the following words mean in Avyakt Vanis spoken through Dadi Gulzar?
  • 1. Bap
    2. BapDada
    3. Brahma
    4. Baba
    5. Shiv Baba
    6. God
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Post by arjun » 12 Oct 2006

Dear Creative Bhai,
Om Shanti. From a PBK perspective the meanings of the following words can be:
1.Bap - God Shiv, i.e. Father of all souls including human souls and/or Prajapita, the Father of all human souls.
2.BapDada - Bap means the Supreme Father Shiv + Prajapita; and 'Dada' refers to the soul of Krishna, i.e. Dada Lekhraj, who, being the first child, is the eldest brother among all other human souls.
3.Brahma - Baba has said in BK Murlis that in whichever soul's body he enters can be named as Brahma. But as per the Murlis and advance knowledge we know that Shiv entered into Dada Lekhraj, his partner, and two mothers in the beginning of the Yagya. So all of them can be called as Brahma. But whenever the word Brahma appears in the Avyakt Vani, which Brahma is being referred to in that sentence will depend on the context of the sentence.
4.Baba - Generally it refers to the incorporeal Father God Shiv only, but as per the context it may also refer to the corporeal Father, i.e. Prajapita.
5.Shiv Baba - Generally it refers to the combination of God Shiv + Prajapita, but on many occassions it refers to the incorporeal God Father Shiv alone also.
6.God - It refers to incorporeal God Shiv alone. No human soul from the souls of Ram and Krishna to any religious Father cannot be called God.

I hope other PBKs would agree. They are welcome to correct me if I have misinterpreted the above words.
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Post by creative » 12 Oct 2006

arjun wrote:Om Shanti. From a PBK perspective the meanings of the following words can be: 1.Bap ... 6.God - It refers to incorporeal God Shiv alone. No human soul from the souls of Ram and Krishna to any religious Father cannot be called God.
Brother Arjun, Thanks for the clarifications.

I would also like to know according to PBK perspective, what does 'BapDada' mean in Avyakt Vani through Dadi Gulzar?

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Post by button slammer » 13 Oct 2006

John wrote:Yes Andrey that is a fair point..Would you not agree that one sure sign of a misunderstanding student is someone who babbles on incohesively ... another sign being one who just cuts and pastes Murli as an answer with no thought put into it.
I don't think English is the 1st language of Andrey, so if he repeats anything in his posts I just look to the essence of what he is conveying. Also I can understand his posts from a PBK perpective which gives me an insight not available to yourself.

I have found wherever Andrey has pasted Murli points, that the points have been well researched and appropriate to the thread.

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Post by arjun » 13 Oct 2006

Creative wrote:Brother Arjun, Thanks for the clarifications. I would also like to know according to PBK perspective, what does 'BapDada' mean in Avyakt Vani through Dadi Gulzar
Om Shanti. The meaning of BapDada in AVs through Dadi Gulzar is same as I have mentioned above, i.e.:

BapDada - Bap means the Supreme Father Shiv + Prajapita; and 'Dada' refers to the soul of Krishna, i.e. Dada Lekhraj, who, being the first child, is the eldest Brother among all other human souls.

With regards,
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Post by shivsena » 10 Mar 2007

arjun wrote:BapDada - Bap means the Supreme Father Shiv + Prajapita; and 'Dada' refers to the soul of Krishna, i.e. Dada Lekhraj, who, being the first child, is the eldest Brother among all other human souls.
Dear arjun Bhai.

The meaning of Avyakt BapDada.

According to BKs, it means conbination of ShivBap+brahma (Dada); because they have no knowledge of Rambap.

According to PBKs it means Rambap+Brahma (Dada);

So where does ShivBap fit in BapDada.(as per advance knowledge)

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