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Re: Confluence Age spiritual 'BLUFFERS', 'FLUFFERS' & 'DUFFERS' !

Post by fluffy bunny » 25 Feb 2015

Golden Heart wrote:... 'pounce' on a ‘LIONESS’, without ‘REAL-EYES-ing’ - with whom they are endeavouring to interact, and what is in store for them EVENTUALLY ! ! !
Well, I have asked you nicely to tell us who you were many times ... so "pounce" seems a little unfair.

A bunny pouncing on a lioness? I think you must just be a little kitten.

Personally, I'd rather be memorialised in a book by Voltaire. I like to think of myself as being a little more deep, witty and irreverent than a nursery rhyme.

It's funny though, "Twinkle twinkle little star" does have a place in the history of the Yugya ... singing it in English was the high of Om Radhe's cultural aspirations back in the Om Mandli days. However, at that time there was no bindi or Shiva in the BK world.

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LOVERS of GOD versus 'lovers' of the Devil !

Post by Golden Heart » 26 Feb 2015

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,
BKWSU Rev SM dated 25.02.2015 wrote: बाप को कोई भी जानते नहीं, निधण के हैं । बाप से विपरीत बुद्धि हैं । अब बाप क्या करें ?
NONE of THEM (spiritual ‘Bluffers’, ‘Fluffers’ & ‘Duffers’) know the Father (S S S); they are orphans (spiritual ‘prostitutes’). Their intellects have NO (TRUE) LOVE for the Father (S S S). Now, what can the Father (S S S) do ? (if they so choose to ‘worship’ and ‘love’ the Devil – Ravan – through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of the Defamer of God – V D D - DELUSIVELY & BLINDLY 'believing' him to be personified 'ShivBaba', in the latter part of the 'shooting' of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age ?????????????)

तो बाबा ने बच्चों को समझाया है कोई बात में जास्ती आरग्यु नहीं करनी है । बात ही एक सुनाओ - बाप कहते हैं - मामेकम याद करो, तो पावन बनेंगे ।
So, Baba (S S S) has explained to You Children: Don’t argue too much about anything. Only tell them (spiritual ‘Bluffers’, ‘Fluffers’ & ‘Duffers’) ONE thing. The Father (S S S) says: Remember Me ALONE and you will then become pure.
HAVE MERCY ON THEM !
FORGIVE THEM – FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK AND WHAT THEY DO ! ! !


THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by Roy » 26 Feb 2015

Golden Heart wrote:BKWSU Rev SM dated 25.02.2015 wrote: बाप को कोई भी जानते नहीं, निधण के हैं । बाप से विपरीत बुद्धि हैं । अब बाप क्या करें ?
NONE of THEM (‘Bluffers’, ‘Fluffers’ & ‘Duffers’) know the Father (S S S); they are orphans (spiritual ‘prostitutes’). Their intellects have NO (TRUE) LOVE for the Father (S S S). Now, what can the Father (S S S) do? (if they so choose to ‘worship’ and ‘love’ the Devil – Ravan – through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of the Defamer of God – V D D ?????????????)

तो बाबा ने बच्चों को समझाया है कोई बात में जास्ती आरग्यु नहीं करनी है । बात ही एक सुनाओ - बाप कहते हैं - मामेकम याद करो, तो पावन बनेंगे ।
So, Baba (S S S) has explained to You Children: Don’t argue too much about anything. Only tell them (‘Bluffers’, ‘Fluffers’ & ‘Duffers’) ONE thing. The Father says: Remember Me ALONE and you will then become pure.
A few points about the Father to consider...

“Now the unlimited Father tells you children - Children, if you remember Me, then your sins will be burnt. You should not remember this Dada or Mama. The Father says - Neither Mama, nor Baba is praiseworthy. Had there not been (Incorporeal)ShivBaba(the point entering), what would this Brahma(Baba Krishna) have done? What will happen by remembering this one? Yes, you (true Brahmin children) know that we are obtaining the inheritance from the Father, through this one(i.e. the true Prajapita), not from this one(i.e. Brahma Baba Krishna). This one(i.e. Brahma Baba Krishna) also obtains the inheritance(i.e. he becomes Vishnu at the end) from that one(i.e the true Prajapita Brahma); so, we have to remember that one(i.e. the true Prajapita - the one who remains in corporeal form until the end, through whom Father Shiv plays the role of Ram, the Satguru).” [Mu 16.02.10]

"Supreme Soul Shiv through Prajapita(Brahma aka Shankar - the destroyer of ignorance), transforms the Night of Brahma into the Day of Brahma." [Mu 27.02.74]

"Now it's Brahma's night. So it is night for Brahma(Baba Krishna) also, is not it? Then, when he becomes Vishnu (at the end, when he finally accepts the true practical form of the Father - Shiv Shankar Bholenath), it will be day." [Mu 15.10.77]

"The bestower of true salvation(i.e. sadgati) is one Ram(ShivBaba). When He’s praised as Ram, the purifier of sinful, then why do you make others your preceptor(i.e. guru)? Father (Shiv the point) liberates through him(i.e. corporeal Prajapita aka Ram)... He liberates (the true Brahmin children) from the bondages of preceptors(i.e. the human gurus of the Brahmin world)." [Mu 04.09.73]

"If ShivBaba doesn’t play any role, He will be of no use. He wouldn’t have any value. He will be held valuable only when he bestows true salvation (sadgati) upon the whole world (at the end). Only then is He praised as Ram, the bestower of true salvation on all." [Mu 16.12.74]

"They tell: Satguru akalmurt (the true guru Ram is immortal, he cannot leave his body). If the body itself is not here, then how can He give the true salvation (at the end, when he takes our boat-like bodies across)? Then how will He (Father Shiv) become the Satguru (without his corporeal Chariot, the true Prajapita aka corporeal Ram)?" [Mu 03.10.74]

"When there is no (physical) body there is no part (or role)." [Mu 05.06.99]

"There is only one sailor i.e. the Father(i.e. Ram ShivBaba) who can sail this soul and boat-like body across (so that the New World can begin with the souls who physically survive final destruction, due to their powerful soul conscious stages). It(i.e. the corporeal body)'s called a dress as well as a boat." [Mu 03.11.74]

"Ram’s kingdom(i.e. Ramraj) can be obtained only through (corporeal) Ram(i.e. Prajapita aka Shankar). Ramraj begins in the Golden Age." [Mu 17.07.72]

"Until someone recognizes His true form and the true Father(i.e. Ram ShivBaba)... they cannot attain complete purity or the power of truth." [Av 30.11.07]

“In the corporeal world, Incorporeal (Father Shiv the point) cannot become the master.” [Mu 14.01.73]

"Those who remember Father above (in the Soul World, Paramdham) follow the path of worship, because they do not know the occupation. They do not know His name, form, country, and time." [Mu 14.10.68]

"Do you think that I do not have any specialty, any virtue?... this cannot be possible. The biggest specialty is to become a (true) Brahmin. The biggest specialty is to recognize (the practical role of) Father (being played in corporeal form, since 1969/70)." [Av 26.11.81]


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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by arjun » 26 Feb 2015

golden heart wrote:So, Baba (S S S) has explained to You Children: Don’t argue too much about anything. Only tell them (‘Bluffers’, ‘Fluffers’ & ‘Duffers’) ONE thing. The Father says: Remember Me ALONE and you will then become pure.
Thanks for giving us some new titles. But I wonder whether you get this vast literary knowledge of defaming us, AIVV and Baba Virendra Dev Dixit in such different ways when you remember ShivBaba ALONE!!!!!!! :-? Perhaps you learn all these great words while having Yoga with Baba in the Paramdham. Your intellect is the purest one on the Earth to have direct connection with the point of light God Father Shiv. :D

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Re: LOVERS of GOD versus 'lovers' of the Devil !

Post by fluffy bunny » 26 Feb 2015

Golden Heart wrote:So, Baba (S S S) has explained to You Children: Don’t argue too much about anything. Only tell them (‘Bluffers’, ‘Fluffers’ & ‘Duffers’) ONE thing ...
Ignorance of polite discussion and insults again ... you expose your own nature.
FORGIVE THEM – FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK AND WHAT THEY DO ! ! !
Bizarre ... that's Christianity not BKism.

Do you have some kind of Christ fantasy ... do you think you are the Christ soul? Is there a Christ Party within the BK movement now!?!

Actually, you have some of the most serious and well studied individuals here, as far as the BK movement and Knowledge, so we really do know what we are saying and doing.

All you're trying to do is twist minds using ingrained religious fears. What a low level of consciousness.

Don't waste your time, it won't work here.

Why not just be normal and sit and have an ordinary discussion with us? Who are you and what was your experience with the BKs and PBKs?

Why did you change your opinion about them and how did the BKs treat you when you returned?

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

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Golden Heart wrote:So, Baba (S S S) has explained to You Children: Don’t argue too much about anything. Only tell them (‘Bluffers’, ‘Fluffers’ & ‘Duffers’) ONE thing ...
Golden Heartbhai,
There are many lies about beginning of Yagya and cutting of Murlis, maybe you could go and try to save BKWSU Australia, go soon and come soon.

http://www.moreaboutbrahmakumaris.org/385483897
As readers of this site will know, we have had concerns for many years about the apparent lack of accuracy in the tale of how Brahma Kumaris came to embrace their primary philosophy expressed as:

The One True God of All Religions has descended, and is setting about His task of World Transformation: through the agency of Brahma Kumaris..

We also have ongoing concerns about censorship of the Godly teachings: known as Sakar Murlis (1964-69), and certain Avyakt Murlis (1969-77). Our many requests to management to discuss and resolve these anomalies for the benefit of the people of the world have not born fruit.

With this in mind we recently invited the leadership of Brahma Kumaris Australia, incorporated in Australia, to meet with us, each with our solicitors. Although the nature of the discussions will not be for publication here, our concerns have been these:

Australian Consumer Law contains broad provisions prohibiting conduct by a corporation that is considered to be misleading or deceptive or would be likely to mislead or deceive.

In that context we note that there appear to be fundamental discrepancies between the Brahma Kumaris story, as currently endorsed by Brahma Kumaris Australia, through both active denial and passive neglect, and the BK story as authenticated by original documents in the British Library, the New York Public Library and the public library in Karachi. BKA is funded almost exclusively by members of the public, so surely the public has a right to full and complete knowledge about the organisation they are contributing to. Because of management censorship and lack of disclosure regarding the story, we feel that currently they do not.

Brahma Kumaris Australia has secure assets of more than $25,000,000, and an annual cash income from members of the public of some $1,000,000, as well as further substantial donations through its tax deductible building account.* ( BKA has tax deductible status as a 'school', though it teaches in a rather colonial style, reminiscent of British India).

We believe that BKA has a clear responsibility to be open and transparent about its history and teachings to all past, present and future donors, and all Australian tax payers, and hope pathways to bring this about can be agreed to between the parties.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by fluffy bunny » 01 Mar 2015

warrior wrote:There are many lies about beginning of Yagya and cutting of Murlis, maybe you could go and try to save BKWSU Australia, go soon and come soon.

http://www.moreaboutbrahmakumaris.org/385483897
An interesting development ... calling in lawyers ... I wonder if it will lead to BKWSU Australia having a different "official" history from the rest of the BKWSU.

It's funny though how Tamasin Ramsay cant credit the source of the revelations - which are from PBKs and ex-BKs - and has to "re-discover" them afterwards.

Perhaps it's been done for "political" reasons, to make them more palatable to the rest of the BKWSU ... but I am glad they are doing what they are doing.

What is Jayanti Kirpalani doing about all this? She's not entirely stupid. Why would she be resisting reformation and truth?

And note the typical Kirpalani Klan face saving secrecy ...
As readers of this site will know, we have had concerns for many years about the apparent lack of accuracy in the tale of how Brahma Kumaris came to embrace their primary philosophy ... We also have ongoing concerns about censorship of the Godly teachings: known as Sakar Murlis (1964-69), and certain Avyakt Murlis (1969-77). Our many requests to management to discuss and resolve these anomalies for the benefit of the people of the world have not born fruit.

With this in mind we recently invited the leadership of Brahma Kumaris Australia, incorporated in Australia, to meet with us, each with our solicitors. Although the nature of the discussions will not be for publication here, our concerns have been ...
Shame on you Golden heart for wasting time with nothing more than goading and insults when real work to make positive change is happening.

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Godly UNIVERSITY versus DoGly university !

Post by Golden Heart » 04 Mar 2015

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,

"Yeh (PBKIVV) hai Godly University; aur voh (AIVV) hai DoGly university ... Raat-din ka fark hai." SM dated 08-03-1967
"This (PBKIVV – established by S S S, through His ‘mukrar-rath’, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969, in the earlier part of the ‘shooting’ period of Confluence Age) is the Godly University; and that (AIVV – established by Ravan through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of V D D, after 1969, in the latter part of the ‘shooting’ period of Confluence Age), is the DoGly university ... THERE IS A DAY&NIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO" (Through one RamRajya is established; and through the other Ravan Rajya is established !). SM dated 08-03-1967

The above TRUTH was DECLARED by 'trikal-darshi' - 'Knower of the THREE aspects of Time' - S S S, through His ‘mukrar-rath’, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969; and this Version has been later HIJACKED by Ravan through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of V D D, after 1969, to COMPLETELY CORRUPT, TWIST and INVERT the interpretation, (REVERSING the original INTENT of S S S), to apply to himself, thus CONFIRMING his HiranyaKashyapHood ! S S S establishes REAL RamRajya of G A and S A through the original and REAL Adi Dev, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani; whereas Ravan establishes Ravan Rajya or APPARENT 'RamRajya' of C A and I A through the ‘IMPOSTER’ or APPARENT Adi Dev, V D D ! The DoGly university is established by Ravan through the Defamer of God, MASQUERADING as personified 'ShivBaba', and is therefore meant for the gullible and BLIND followers - the Defamers of God - who CANNOT COMPREHEND the REAL INTENT of S S S in ANY of the SMs or AVs in the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE, and keep CORRUPTING and INVERTING the interpretations, owing to their CORRUPTED and INVERTED INTELLECTS, to facilitate the ‘shooting’ of their respective roles in Ravan Rajya ! Since Drama is ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE, there is NO QUESTION of any blame being apportioned to any of the gullible followers of the Defamer of God, leave alone ‘hating’ them in any sense of the ‘word’ ! Only appropriate CLARIFICATIONS are being high-lighted, as per Drama Plan, and ONLY for the benefit of those who are GENUINELY interested in same - ALL the rest are, once again, advised NOT TO WASTE THEIR TIME HERE, and create a NUISANCE UNNECESSARILY !!!
BKWSU Rev SM dated 25.02.2015 wrote: बाप को कोई भी जानते नहीं, निधण के हैं । बाप से विपरीत बुद्धि हैं । अब बाप क्या करें ?
NONE of THEM (spiritual ‘Bluffers’, ‘Fluffers’ & ‘Duffers’) know the Father (S S S); they are orphans (spiritual ‘PROSTITUTES’). Their intellects have NO (TRUE) LOVE for the Father (S S S). Now, what can the Father (S S S) do ? (if they so choose to ‘worship’ and ‘love’ the Devil – Ravan – through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of the Defamer of God – V D D - DELUSIVELY & BLINDLY 'believing' him to be personified 'ShivBaba', in the latter part of the 'shooting' of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age ?)
HAVE MERCY ON THEM !
FORGIVE THEM – FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK AND WHAT THEY DO ! ! !


THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by Roy » 04 Mar 2015

Golden Heart wrote:"Yeh (PBKIVV) hai Godly University; aur voh (AIVV) hai DoGly university ... Raat-din ka fark hai." SM dated 08-03-1967
"This (PBKIVV – established by S S S, through His ‘mukrar-rath’, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969, in the earlier part of the ‘shooting’ period of Confluence Age) is the Godly University; and that (AIVV – established by Ravan through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of V D D, after 1969, in the latter part of the ‘shooting’ period of Confluence Age), is the DoGly university ... THERE IS A DAY&NIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO" (Through one RamRajya is established; and through the other Ravan Rajya is established !). SM dated 08-03-1967
Golden Heart wrote:BKWSU Rev SM dated 25.02.2015 wrote: बाप को कोई भी जानते नहीं, निधण के हैं । बाप से विपरीत बुद्धि हैं । अब बाप क्या करें ?
NONE of THEM (spiritual ‘Bluffers’, ‘Fluffers’ & ‘Duffers’) know the Father (S S S); they are orphans (spiritual ‘PROSTITUTES’). Their intellects have NO (TRUE) LOVE for the Father (S S S). Now, what can the Father (S S S) do ? (if they so choose to ‘worship’ and ‘love’ the Devil – Ravan – through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of the Defamer of God – V D D - DELUSIVELY & BLINDLY 'believing' him to be personified 'ShivBaba', in the latter part of the 'shooting' of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age ?)
It's interesting that you have chosen to call it the PBKIVV, because that in not always the case with the BK institution... and it definitely is not the case when it comes to the title of it's members... they always call themselves BKs, or Brahma Kumaris. Why is this? Why don't they call themselves PBKs, if they truly are students of the PBKIVV? Infact, the name BKIVV is more accurate for this institution, as is the title BK for its members, because it was established through the moon of knowledge mother, Brahma Baba Krishna. Therefore, it is the BKs who are actually the orphans, and the clue is in the very title itself, because BKs don't know their true spiritual Father... that is, the practical role played by Father Shiv, through the true Prjapita... the same Prajapita through whom Father Shiv ends Brahma Baba's night, as we spoke about earlier in this thread! The truth is, the real PBKIVV, is the institution more accurately named as, the AIVV, as per ShivBaba's intructions in the Murlis... But this is yet more Shrimat that the BK leaders have chosen to ignore...

“God Father is called spiritual knowledgeful. So you will write the name Spiritual University; nobody will object. Then those words (PBKIVV or BKIVV) will be removed from the board, and this ‘Spiritual University’ will be written. Try and see. Write 'God Fatherly University'... this is their aim and object. Then day by day your museum, pictures etc, will also get changed. Then it will have to be written at all the centers – 'God Fatherly World Spiritual University'.” [Mu 20.03.74]

"Now how to make humans understand, churning should be done on this. The name is also written - Prajapita Brahma Kumari Ishwariya Vishwa Vidyalaya. They do not understand even by this that It is the Godly World University of the Spiritual Unlimited Father. Now, what should it be named so that humans understand quickly? How to make humans understand that it is a university? The word university has originated from universe. Universe means the whole world, it is named as university, in which all humans can study. University is for the whole world to study (there). Now actually only one Father comes for the universe, this is His only university. Aim object is also one. Father comes to make the universe pure and teach Rajyog. This is for all religions. (Father) says consider yourself a soul... Incorporeal God Father is Father of whole universe so why not name it - 'Spiritual University of Spiritual Incorporeal God Father'?" [Mu 19.2.00]

"What is this Adhyatmik Vishwa Vidyalaya that is in everyone's eyes, minds, and hearts, in the form of question marks it has raised? First it will be... what is this, what is this?.. Later it will be... this is it, this is it." [Av 06.09.07]


But people won't be saying this about the BKIVV, an institution run by body conscious human gurus(Didis, Dadis and dadas), who believe that Father Shiv has returned to the Soul World, and that heaven will be established through them... No!... They will be saying this about the AIVV, that has been established by Father Shiv through the true Prajapita, the one through whom Father Shiv will be revealed to the world at the end, in the practical form, of Shiv Shankar Bholenath!...

"Who causes your downfall (i.e. the downfall of the Brahmins, in the Confluence Age itself)? Numerous gurus(BK Dadis and other Brahmin gurus). Salvation(sadgati) through one true Guru(Ram ShivBaba - Shiv+Prajapita-Ram) and downfall(durgati) through numerous human gurus(BK Dadis etc)." [Mu 13.02.74]

"Who brings about downfall (in the Confluence Age shooting period)? Surely these gurus(i.e. BK Dadis etc) do that." [Mu 24.08.74]

"All those, except the Father(Ram ShivBaba), who teach Yoga, also experience degradation themselves." [Mu 22.04.72]

"Those children(PBKs) who vote for (Ram)ShivBaba(Shiv+Prajapita-Ram) are preet-buddhi(co-operative-loving Pandavas of the Confluence Age Ramraj community), and those children(BKs) who vote for Krishna(Brahma Baba) are vipreet-buddhi(opposing Kauravas of the Confluence Age Ravanraj community)." [Mu 13.04.85]

"Those who know Father(Shiv's part of the Sun of Knowledge, played through Prajapita-Ram) and love him are called Pandavas(PBKs). Those who do not love Father(Shiv's part, of intense Sun of Advance Knowledge, played through Prajapita-Ram) are called Kauravas." [Mu 25.12.68; 25.12.70]

"Now Ram(ShivBaba who is creating Ramraj) and Ravana(BK Dadis, creating or shooting Ravanraj), both communities are present. All these are present at the Confluence Age." [Mu 26.04.74]

"Those(Brahmins) who do not know (Ram)ShivBaba(Father Shiv, in his permanent corporeal Chariot, Prajapita-Ram aka Shankar), are the Kauravas." [Mu 31.03.72]

Golden Heart wrote:The above TRUTH was DECLARED by 'trikal-darshi' - 'Knower of the THREE aspects of Time' - S S S, through His ‘mukrar-rath’, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969; and this Version has been later HIJACKED by Ravan through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of V D D, after 1969, to COMPLETELY CORRUPT, TWIST and INVERT the interpretation, (REVERSING the original INTENT of S S S), to apply to himself, thus CONFIRMING his HiranyaKashyapHood ! S S S establishes REAL RamRajya of G A and S A through the original and REAL Adi Dev, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani; whereas Ravan establishes Ravan Rajya or APPARENT 'RamRajya' of C A and I A through the ‘IMPOSTER’ or APPARENT Adi Dev, V D D ! The DoGly university is established by Ravan through the Defamer of God, MASQUERADING as personified 'ShivBaba', and is therefore meant for the gullible and BLIND followers - the Defamers of God - who CANNOT COMPREHEND the REAL INTENT of S S S in ANY of the SMs or AVs in the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE, and keep CORRUPTING and INVERTING the interpretations, owing to their CORRUPTED and INVERTED INTELLECTS, to facilitate the ‘shooting’ of their respective roles in Ravan Rajya ! Since Drama is ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE, there is NO QUESTION of any blame being apportioned to any of the gullible followers of the Defamer of God, leave alone ‘hating’ them in any sense of the ‘word’ ! Only appropriate CLARIFICATIONS are being high-lighted, as per Drama Plan, and ONLY for the benefit of those who are GENUINELY interested in same - ALL the rest are, once again, advised NOT TO WASTE THEIR TIME HERE, and create a NUISANCE UNNECESSARILY !!!
Why is heaven called Ramraj?... because heaven is established through the part of the Satguru Ram, who firstly liberates us from our ingnorance(i.e. through accurate knowledge - i.e. knowledge that is fully understood). The knowledge was neither fully understood by Brahma Baba Krishna or the BKs before 1969, so we can infer from this, that the part of Ram was not played through Brahma Baba Krishna, who has never been referred to by this name, as he left the body before this role was actually played... No-one as yet has received true salvation, so the role of Ram will continue to be played through the body of the true Prajapita, until they have...

"Incorporeal God Father cannot do any work without corporeal Father (Prajapita-Ram), He cannot play any role." [Mu 06.02.76]

"When there is no body there is no part (or role)." [Mu 05.06.99]

"ShivBaba(Shiv+Prajapita) is called Ram (not Father Shiv the point). But they (BKs of the Confluence Age) have thought the Supreme Soul (Incorporeal Father Shiv) to be Ram." [Mu 14.04.76]

“Shiva is the name of the Incorporeal Father, the point of light. He has only one name (Shiva), which never changes. When the forms (or roles) change, then their(i.e. the chariots') names also change.” [Mu 24.01.75]

"I (Shiv) have been given names based on different tasks that I have performed (through physical bodies or chariots).” [Mu 04.11.73]

"The bestower of true salvation(i.e. sadgati) is one Ram(ShivBaba). When He’s praised as Ram, the purifier of sinful, then why do you make others your preceptor(i.e. guru)? Father (Shiv the point) liberates through him(i.e. corporeal Ram aka the true Prajapita - this is why Brahma Baba is not referred to as Ram, and only Brahma the mother)... He liberates (the true Brahmin children) from the bondages of preceptors(i.e. the human gurus of the Brahmin world)." [Mu 04.09.73]

"Creator (of Heaven) is not said for Brahma(Baba Krishna)." [Mu 13.02.75]

"Ram’s kingdom(i.e. Ramraj aka Heaven) can be obtained only through (corporeal) Ram(i.e. Prajapita). Ramraj begins in the Golden Age." [Mu 17.07.72]

"Prajapita Brahma is also called creator (of Heaven)." [Mu 26.07.77]


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Post by Golden Heart » 05 Mar 2015

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,

It has already been hitherto CLEARLY & EXPLICITLY demonstrated that the gullible followers of the Defamer of God CANNOT COMPREHEND the Pure Versions of God in the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE, due to their INVERTED INTELLECTS ! ! !

For the sake of brevity, only following points are being taken up, to reiterate and RE-CONFIRM the same, ONCE AGAIN ! Those interested may also go through the post dated 20 Feb 2015, once again !
BKWSU Rev SM dated 17.02.2015 wrote: भगवानुवाच - अब यह तो रूहानी बच्चे समझते हैं कि भगवान् कौन है । भारत में कोई भी यथार्थ रीति जानते नहीं । कहते भी हैं-मैं जो हूँ, जैसा हूँ मुझे यथार्थ रीति कोई नहीं जानते । तुम्हारे में भी नम्बरवार हैं । नम्बरवार पुरूषार्थ अनुसार जानते हैं । भल यहाँ रहते हैं परन्तु यथार्थ रीति से नहीं जानते । यथार्थ रीति जानकर और बाप को याद करना, यह बड़ी मुश्किलात है । भल बच्चे कहते हैं कि बहुत सहज है परन्तु मैं जो हूँ, मुझे निरन्तर बाप को याद करना है, बुद्धि में यह युक्ति रहती है? मैं आत्मा बहुत छोटा हूँ । हमारा बाबा भी बिन्दी छोटा है । आधाकल्प तो भगवान का कोई नाम भी नहीं लेते हैं । दु:ख में ही याद करते हैं - हे भगवान । अब भगवान कौन हैं, यह तो कोई मनुष्य समझते नहीं । अब मनुष्यों को कैसे समझायें - इस पर विचार सागर मंथन चलना चाहिए । नाम भी लिखा हुआ है - प्रजापिता ब्रह्माकुमारी ईश्वरीय विश्व विद्यालय । इससे भी समझते नहीं हैं कि यह रूहानी बेहद के बाप का ईश्वरीय विश्व विद्यालय है । अब क्या नाम रखें जो मनुष्य झट समझ जायें? कैसे मनुष्यों को समझायें कि यह युनिवर्सिटी है? युनिवर्स से युनिवर्सिटी अक्षर निकला है । युनिवर्स अर्थात् सारा वर्ल्ड, उसका नाम रखा है - युनिवर्सिटी, जिसमें सब मनुष्य पढ़ सकते हैं । युनिवर्स के पढ़ने लिए युनिवर्सिटी है । अब वास्तव में युनिवर्स के लिए तो एक ही बाप आते हैं, उनकी यह एक ही युनिवर्सिटी है । एम ऑब्जेक्ट भी एक है । बाप ही आकर सारे युनिवर्स को पावन बनाते हैं, योग सिखाते हैं । यह तो सब धर्म वालों के लिए है । कहते हैं अपने को आत्मा समझो, सारे युनिवर्स का बाप है - इनकारपोरियल गॉड फादर, तो क्यों न इसका नाम ‘स्प्रीचुअल युनिवर्सिटी ऑफ स्प्रीचुअल इनकारपोरियल गॉड फादर’ (‘SPIRITUAL UNIVERSITY OF SPIRITUAL INCORPOREAL GOD Father’) रखें । ख्याल किया जाता है ना । मनुष्य ऐसे हैं जो सारे वर्ल्ड में बाप को एक भी नहीं जानते हैं । रचता को जानें तो रचना को भी जानें । रचता द्वारा ही रचना को जाना जा सकता है । बाप बच्चों को सब कुछ समझा देंगे । और कोई भी जानते नहीं ।
God speaks. You Spiritual Children (principal rulers of G A and S A – the DIRECT ‘mouth-born’ progeny of S S S, through the ‘lotus mouth’ of Prajapita Brahma, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND (and EXPERIENCE) who God is! NO ONE IN Bharat (the ‘kauravs’ in BOTH, the BK Org AS WELL as the PBK Org – in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age, after 1969) KNOWS (EXPERIENCES) THIS ACCURATELY! He also says: NO ONE KNOWS (EXPERIENCES) Me ACCURATELY, AS I AM, OR, WHAT I AM! You too are number-wise! You know (EXPERIENCE), number-wise, ACCORDING TO YOUR EFFORTS. Although you live here (in Madhuban, at Mt Abu), YOU DON’T KNOW (EXPERIENCE) ACCURATELY! To know (EXPERIENCE) the Father (S S S) ACCURATELY and REMEMBER Him is VERY DIFFICULT. Some children might say that it is easy, but do I have the (RIGHT) technique in My intellect, to know My Self the WAY I AM (a point source of potent, spiritual light energy), and that I (the soul) have to CONSTANTLY REMEMBER the Father (S S S - a point source of spiritual light energy of the HIGHEST POTENCY)? (This sentence has been WRONGLY translated by the BK Org on the website, since the ‘question mark’ was typographically-inadvertently replaced by a ‘full stop’ sometime earlier. There are several such mistakes, both in the Hindi Versions, as well as the English Versions, of SMs and AVs, which can ONLY BE READILY IDENTIFIED by ONLY those who have a CLEAR SPIRITUAL LINK with S S S CONSTANTLY ! This demonstrates that the ‘transmissions’ of body-conscious humans cannot be infallibly relied upon, and ALL THE MORE highlights the DIRE need to establish and maintain an ACCURATE SPIRITUAL LINK with S S S CONSTANTLY, to be able to PROPERLY COMPREHEND HIS TRUE INTENT in the SMs and AVs, available currently! Ravan takes FULL ADVANTAGE of this anomaly, to GENERATE and PROPAGATE the ‘faeces’ of Reversed Advance knowledge, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of V D D, the Defamer of God, through the DoGly university, AIVV). I, the soul, am very tiny. My Baba (Spiritual Father, S S S – UNADULTERATED with any ‘bodily being’, gross or subtle), the Point, is also tiny. For half a cycle (G A and S A), no one even mentions God’s name. People only remember Him (in C A and I A) in sorrow: Oh God! NO HUMAN BEING UNDERSTANDS (EXPERIENCES) WHO GOD IS! (ESPECIALLY the STUPID, ‘maha-murkh’ spiritual 'MORONS' and 'ZOMBIES', like most PBKs, in particular). You should now churn the Ocean of Knowledge about how to explain to human beings (most PBKs, in particular, who are MISERABLY TRAPPED in the ‘bog’ of ‘bodily gurudom’). The name, “Prajapita Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University” (PBKIVV) is written. In spite of this, they also (most PBKs, in particular) don’t understand that THIS IS the unlimited spiritual Father’s (S S S) World Spiritual University (established through Prajapita Brahma, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969). What name can it be given so that human beings (the ‘vidharmis’-souls belonging to other religions or students of other universities, like AIVV; and ‘videshis’-souls belonging to other countries or students of other universities, like AIVV - REPRESENTED by most PBKs, in particular, in the SEED FORM, in the ‘shooting’ of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age, after 1969) understand quickly? How can it be explained to people that this is a university? The word “university” has emerged from the word "universe". Universe means the whole world. THIS IS (PBKIVV, established by S S S through Prajapita Brahma, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969) called a university, in which ALL human beings can study (other than the STUPID, ‘maha-murkh’ spiritual 'MORONS' and 'ZOMBIES', like most PBKs, in particular, who have DIVORCED themselves from God, owing to their BLIND allegiance to Ravan, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of V D D, who is instrumental to establish the DoGly university, for training the Defamers of God to OPPOSE and INSULT GOD, INCESSANTLY !!!). It is a university for the people of the universe to study in. In fact, only the one Father comes for the universe. He (S S S) ONLY HAS THIS ONE UNIVERSITY (PBKIVV, established by S S S through Prajapita Brahma, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969). The aim and objective is also only one. Only the Father comes and purifies the whole universe. He TEACHES Yoga (and does not merely recite poetry and prose, as SURREPTITIOUSLY alleged by the Defamer of God). This is for those, of ALL religions. He says: Consider yourself to be a soul. He is the Father of the whole universe, Incorporeal God, the Father. So, why not call this place the ‘Spiritual University of Spiritual, Incorporeal God Father’? (S S S spoke this in English – He did not say that it should be named AIVV, as claimed by the ‘maha-murkh’ ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, V D D, and his BLIND, gullible followers)! You have to think about this, do you not? People of the whole world are such that not a single person knows the Father (S S S). If they (STUPID, ‘maha-murkh’ spiritual 'MORONS' and 'ZOMBIES', like most PBKs, in particular) were to know the Creator (S S S), they would also know the creation (principal rulers of G A and S A). Only from the Creator (S S S) can the creation (principal rulers of G A and S A) be known. The Father (S S S) explains EVERYTHING to the Children (principal rulers of G A and S A, through His ‘mukrar-rath’, Prajapita Brahma, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). NO ONE ELSE KNOWS (the ‘maha-murkh’ PBKs, in particular, CAN NEVER KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY REMAIN TRAPPED in the ‘bog’ of Ravan, through their ‘bodily guru’, V D D !)
The name, “Prajapita Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University” (PBKIVV) has been given by GOD and not any other bodily human being! Likewise, the notation ‘BK’ has also been used by GOD several times in several SMs, and even in AVs; but the notation ‘PBK’ has NEVER been used by GOD in any of the SMs or AVs to date! Regardless of ANY notation which ANY spiritual aspirant may choose, (which is spiritually IMMATERIAL), the most IMPORTANT ASPECT of spirituality is to RE-cognize and ‘REAL-EYEs’ the Self as a Soul, and ACCURATELY REMEMBER S S S, the way He ACTUALLY IS !!!

This is yet another SPECTACULAR EXAMPLE, which is SUFFICIENT for any soul with a Pure Intellect to THOROUGHLY COMPREHEND how the Pure Versions of GOD are 'intellectually' MANIPULATED, TWISTED and CORRUPTED by the CORRUPTED INVERTED INTELLECTS of the Defamer of God and his gullible BLIND followers !!!

Although, the gullible followers of the Defamer of God, carry the PURE Versions of S S S on the ‘BACK’ of their CORRUPTED intellects, like spiritual 'DONKEYS', THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AT ALL, in the RIGHT PERSPECTIVE !!!
BKWSU Rev SM dated 26.11.2014 wrote: Why do people (PBKs, in particular - in the 'shooting' period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age) study the (TRUE) Gita (SMs and AVs) so much? THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AT ALL! THEY (the Defamer of God and his gullible followers) JUST TAKE UP A FEW CHAPTERS (random Versions in SMs and AVs) AND EXTRACT THEIR OWN MEANING FROM THEM ! All of that is created by human beings (the Defamer of God and his gullible followers - DELUSIVELY claiming same to be the 'Murlis' or Versions of GOD)!
BKWSU Rev SM dated 17.02.2015 wrote: अभी तुमको ज्ञान है, तुम्हारी एम ऑब्जेक्ट ही है नर से नारायण बनने की । यह गीता पाठशाला है ही जीवनमुक्ति प्राप्त करने के लिए । ब्राह्मण तो जरूर चाहिए । यह है रूद्र ज्ञान यज्ञ । शिव को रूद्र भी कहते हैं । अब बाप पूछते हैं ज्ञान यज्ञ कृष्ण का है या शिव का है? शिव को परमात्मा ही कहते हैं, शंकर को देवता कहते हैं । उन्होंने फिर शिव और शंकर को इकट्ठा कर दिया है । अब बाप कहते हैं हमने इनमें प्रवेश किया है । तुम बच्चे कहते हो बापदादा । वह कहते हैं शिवशंकर । ज्ञान सागर तो है ही एक ।
You now have this Knowledge. Your aim and objective is to become Narayan from an ordinary man. THIS Gita Pathshala (PBKIVV, established by S S S through BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, prior 1969) is definitely for attaining liberation-in-life. Brahmins are definitely needed. This is the sacrificial fire of the knowledge of Rudra. Shiva is also called Rudra. Now the Father asks: Is the sacrificial fire of Knowledge that of Krishna or of Shiva? Shiva is called the Supreme Soul; Shankar is called a deity. They (the STUPID, ‘maha-murkh’ spiritual 'MORONS' and 'ZOMBIES', like most PBKs, in particular) have combined Shiva and Shankar. The Father now says: I have entered this one (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). You Children (principal rulers of G A and S A) say: BapDada (S S S & BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). They (the STUPID, ‘maha-murkh’ spiritual 'MORONS' and 'ZOMBIES', like most PBKs, in particular) say: Shiv-Shankar (Shiv Shankar Bholenath). The Ocean of Knowledge IS ONLY ONE (S S S) !!!

बाकी चित्र इतने ढेर बनाये हैं, वह कोई यथार्थ हैं नहीं; वह हैं सब भक्ति मार्ग के ।
Countless 'pictures' have been made, but they are NOT accurate; they all belong to the path of devotion.
(The 'shooting' of which takes place in latter part of Confluence Age, after 1969, when Ravan carries out the 'shooting' of Ravan Rajya through the 'mukrar-rath' of V D D, the Defamer of God. Those 'pictures', in the form of the 'faeces' of Reversed Advance knowledge, emerging from the 'bogus' mouth of the 'Bull', V D D - or the 'spiritual anus' of the 'Bull' - and propagated through the CORRUPTED & INVERTED INTELLECTS - or the spiritual 'anus' - of most PBKs, in particular, in the 'shooting' period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age, are SEVERELY MORPHED and DEFECTED !!!)
HAVE MERCY ON THEM !
FORGIVE THEM – FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK AND WHAT THEY DO ! ! !


THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by fluffy bunny » 05 Mar 2015

I wish you or the Admin would change topic title ... this garbage has *zero* to do with the Yugya history.

And, to be honest, using color doesn't help make it readable at all.

Doesn't your Baba remind you to be essenceful?

If you are not going to actually converse, why not just edit it down to the insults?

For me, this is like trying to read used toilet paper and making some sense of it.

It's a universal law ... "What ever goes in, comes out".

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'Spiritual Pearls' are NOT MEANT FOR 'Spiritual Swine' !

Post by Golden Heart » 05 Mar 2015

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,
Bible – New Testament – KJV - Matthew Ch 7 wrote: V-6: Give not that which is 'Holy' unto the 'DoGs'; neither cast ye your 'Pearls' before 'sWine', lest they trample them under their 'feet', and then turn again and rend you ! ! !
THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

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Post by arjun » 05 Mar 2015

golden heart wrote:ESPECIALLY the STUPID, ‘maha-murkh’ MORONS and ZOMBIES, like most PBKs, in particular
Thanks for repeating these sweet words many times in your post. They prove how much you love us and they also prove how much the Admin of this forum loves you when you use these words. May your unity continue forever!!!! :D

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Post by fluffy bunny » 05 Mar 2015

Sorry, Golden Heart but the conceited insult that we are dogs and pigs ... and that you are bestowing pearls upon us ... is just too much.

Pigs and dogs are actually surprisingly sensitive, intelligent and loyal animals. You would a lot to learn from them.

Pearls are essential worthless objects that require the killing of many innocent beneficial creatures, they are only valued by vain individuals and those - like Lekhraj Kirpalani - who profit from exploiting such needless expense and vanity.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVISI

Post by Roy » 05 Mar 2015

Golden Heart wrote:The name, “Prajapita Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University” (PBKIVV) has been given by GOD and not any other bodily human being! Likewise, the notation ‘BK’ has also been used by GOD several times in several SMs, and even in AVs; but the notation ‘PBK’ has NEVER been used by GOD in any of the SMs or AVs to date! Regardless of ANY notation which ANY spiritual aspirant may choose, (which is spiritually IMMATERIAL)...
It is true that Father Shiv through the Chariot of Brahma Baba Krishna, has never referred to his children as PBKs in the Sakar Murlis... nor has BapDada(Brahma Baba Krishna in the remembrance of Shiv) used this name either, through the Chariot of Dadi Gulzar when narrating the avayakt Vanis. However... doesn't it still strike you as odd (when using your own powers of reasoning), that the spiritual children who belong to a spiritual organisation, who 'supposedly acknowledge' the part of the Father as well as the mother... don't acknowledge this in their title??? You may not realise it yet, but these things speak volumes to anyone with a discerning intellect! If you recognise the part of the mother Brahma and the Father Prajapita, then you are a PBK and that is the correct title you should use... to simply use BK, means you are a child who only recognises and acknowledges the role of the mother Brahma... Surely you can see the logic in this simple argument?

Actions speak louder than words, and by this simple blatant omission of the Father Prajapita in their title... BKs are making an emphatic statement about where they stand in this debate!

"No human being(i.e. a Dadi or other body conscious human guru) can give true salvation to everyone. Otherwise, why is the Supreme Soul praised as the purifier of the sinful ones, bestower of true salvation upon everyone? Nobody (in the Brahmin family, before 1976) knows the (true) Father (in practical form). They are orphans(i.e. incomplete Brahmins or BKs). Their intellects(i.e those who say that Father Shiv returned to the Soul World after Brahma Baba Krishna's death, in 1968/9) have turned away from the Father." [Mu 15.02.10]
Golden Heart wrote:... the most IMPORTANT ASPECT of spirituality is to RE-cognize and ‘REAL-EYEs’ the Self as a Soul, and ACCURATELY REMEMBER S S S, the way He ACTUALLY IS !!!
Okay... i believe the majority of people who are bothering to read this conversation are probably well aware of the basic knowledge, that teaches us that both soul and Supreme Soul Shiv are tiny points of light... and yes, it is accurate to remember ourselves and Father Shiv in this way. But i don't think you have understood the crux of the matter here Golden Heart! The issue is... if we are to connect with anyone in this world/universe we need their address... i.e. where are they situated? Father Shiv's home is the Soul World aka the Supreme Abode, or Paramdham... But when He leaves that place of zero activity, thought and awareness, He comes into a world of action, where it is necessary to have a body through which to communicate and relate to His children. Thus in 1947, he makes Brahma Baba Krishna His home, in order to establish the BKIVV, and only later, around 1965/66 after Mama's death through cancer, does He start talking about the important role of Prajapita, and why the name PBKIVV is actually accurate... This is why the pictures made before this time carry the title BKIVV, then after this, they carry the title PBKIVV... but the BKs themselves because they did not truly understand/acknowledge what was being said... chose to remain simply BKs, as they only really knew the loving mother role, played practically through Brahma Baba Krishna... This is where their thoughts and allegiance remain to this day! They vote Brahma Baba Krishna over Ram ShivBaba... the role played through the true Prajapita!

So, since His old house was demolished, because of Brahma Baba Krishna's death through heart attack, Father Shiv is forced to take up residence in a new home... but not any home, because the new home is actually the Supreme Abode here on earth, the abode through which salvation and liberation will be bestowed upon the Brahmin children... the home that will be a place of complete or 100% soul consciousness at the end, when the true Prajapita achieves the stage of angelic Shankar, whilst remaining in his corporeal body... It is through this complete 100% stage of soul consciousness, whilst remaining in the corporeal body... that Father Shiv is revealed to the world at large... Who else but someone who represents this stage, could teach or bestow it upon another for all the world to witness through their own eyes.

"You know that ShivBaba is a point.... OK! If you feel that point is small then house(Chariot) is big, isn’t it? So remember the house (or Chariot). Baba also stays there." [Mu 04.09.76]

"I(Father Shiv) am the Resident of the Supreme Abode. I come here and enter this body (of Brahma Baba Krishna) and tell you: You have to remember Me in the place where you have to return (from 1976). It isn’t that you have to remember Me here (in Brahma Baba Krishna's body after his death - Father Shiv doesn't enter subtle Brahma). I have come here to connect the intellects of you children in Yoga with that place. O children, remember Me in My home (in this corporeal world), the Supreme Abode (i.e. in the body of Mahadev Shankar aka Prajapita-Ram)." [Mu 19.04.13]

"I come in this body here(Brahma Baba Krishna) and tell that you have to remember (Me, Father Shiv) there (in the body of Prajapita-Ram, the especially appointed Chariot), where you have to go (from) now (on - i.e. from 1969/70). You should not remember (Me) here (after 1969, in Brahma Baba's subtle body)." [Mu 19.04.78]

"I do not enter Brahma(Baba Krishna), the dweller of the Subtle Region." [Mu 04.11.72]

"Destructible objects (like the body of Brahma Baba Krishna, the temporary Chariot) are not to be remembered. When a new house(i.e. the body of Prajapita-Ram, the permanent Chariot or mukarrar rath, who will not perish before Heaven-Ramraj has been established) is in construction, the attachment for the old house(Brahma Baba Krishna) vanishes. This is the language of the unlimited (Confluence Age) world." [Mu 28.03.76]

"I take the support of this one (Brahma Baba Krishna) for a temporary period. I only enter this one for a short time(1947/8 to 1968/9). This one is an old shoe. When someone's wife dies, he says... 'the old boot's gone, I'll now get a new (one - in Father Shiv's case, this new wife is the true Prajapita, whom He enters, in 1969/70)'. This (Brahma Baba Krishna) is also an old body, is not it (and will have to be replaced at some point during the Confluence Age)?" [Mu 11.07.70]

"Baba(Shiv) doesn’t stay in him(Brahma Baba Krishna) always(throughout the Confluence Age). Yes, He has an appointed Chariot(mukarrar rath - Prajapita-Ram-). He is called the Chariot of Hussein." [Mu 15.08.72]

"This Chariot (Prajapita-Ram) or throne of Akalmoort (the immortal embodied one), is especially appointed (the mukarrar rath)." [Mu 08.08.78]


So my question is Golden Heart... where do you remember Father Shiv?... what in your opinion, is the home or location that is the accurate place to remember Him in?

"Those who remember Father above (in the Soul World) follow the path of worship because they do not know the occupation (i.e. the role of Father Shiv in Prajapita-Ram, the Sun of Knowledge). They do not know his name, form, country, and time." [Mu 14.10.68]

"The sweet silent Soul World (of Paramdham) is unlimited, you cannot find its end. Baba says, you need not go there to search for anything, there is no benefit in doing this. They(BKs) go beyond the stars to find the Soul World and the Supreme Soul (Shiv), but what is the use; this is not the way to find the Father or have Yoga with Him (as Father Shiv resides in His permanent Chariot, Prajapita-Ram, from 1969/70 onwards)." [Mu 06.05.87]


Om Shanti

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