AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

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AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by ANU » 25 Apr 2011

Here I present you another lie taught by AK teacher to the world of the Brahmin.

AK teaches that OM Radhe Mama was a 14 years old girl when she came to Brahma Baba; because she was so young, she and Brahma Baba could not create the path of pravritti. The exact quatation from the Advance Course by Baba is: "Om Radhe was 14 years old and Brahma Baba was 60; they could not create pravritti."

First, Om Radhe Mama was born in 1919. She was a mature girl (major, 18 years old) when she came to surrender in the Yagya. She wrote and signed official documents which were respected in official offices. So, saying that she was 14 at that time is a lie.

Second, Brahma Baba was not 60, but app. 52 in 1936, so the age difference between Om Radhe and Brahma Baba was app. 34 years. In those time and earlier in India the age difference between spouses was even greater, often the wife was not even major and they created pravritti! By the way, AK also spreads another story according to which Brahma Baba was not 60 in '36, when they want to prove that Brahma Baba could not become the Chariot. So, when AK teacher wants to say that pravritti BB and OM Radhe is impossible, he makes BB 60 years old, and when he wants to prove that BB was not the Chariot at the begining, he makes him younger. Anyway, historical documents show that BB was 52 in 1936.

All right, lets check the age difference between Baba Virendra Dev Dixit and Kamla - Virendra Dev Dixit born in 1942 was 34 years old while Kampla was 9 in 1976, respectively their age was 41 and 16 - and in this case Baba Virendra Dev Dixit creates pravritti with an immature, 16 years old girl; the age difference between them is 25 years.

The question is: what justifies the pravritti of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit with an immature girl and what makes the pravritti of BB with mature Om Radhe impossible? Why do AIVV spread false information about the age of Om Radhe and also about the age of BB?

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by arjun » 26 Apr 2011

Om Shanti. I would like to clarify that Baba Virendra Dev Dixit and Kamala Devi were never projected as a couple either in Confluence Age or in the Golden Age in AK whereas BKs project Brahma Baba and Om Radhey Mama as couple both in Confluence Age and in the Golden Age. Even when Kamala Devi was a part of AIVV her role was projected as rajmata (queen mother) and not rajlakshmi (queen).

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by pbkindiana » 26 Apr 2011

Anu wrote:

AK teaches that OM Radhe Mama was a 14 years old girl when she came to Brahma Baba; because she was so young, she and Brahma Baba could not create the path of pravritti. The exact quatation from the Advance Course by Baba is: "Om Radhe was 14 years old and Brahma Baba was 60; they could not create pravritti."

First, Om Radhe Mama was born in 1919. She was a mature girl (major, 18 years old) when she came to surrender in the Yagya. She wrote and signed official documents which were respected in official offices. So, saying that she was 14 at that time is a lie.

Second, Brahma Baba was not 60, but app. 52 in 1936, so the age difference between Om Radhe and Brahma Baba was app. 34 years. In those time and earlier in India the age difference between spouses was even greater, often the wife was not even major and they created pravritti! By the way, AK also spreads another story according to which Brahma Baba was not 60 in '36, when they want to prove that Brahma Baba could not become the Chariot. So, when AK teacher wants to say that pravritti BB and OM Radhe is impossible, he makes BB 60 years old, and when he wants to prove that BB was not the Chariot at the begining, he makes him younger. Anyway, historical documents show that BB was 52 in 1936.

All right, lets check the age difference between Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit and Kamla - Veerendra Dev Dixit born in 1942 was 34 years old while Kampla was 9 in 1976, respectively their age was 41 and 16 - and in this case Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit creates pravritti with an immature, 16 years old girl; the age difference between them is 25 years.

The question is: what justifies the pravritti of Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit with an immature girl and what makes the pravritti of BB with mature Om Radhe impossible? Why do AIVV spread false information about the age of Om Radhe and also about the age of BB?
To create the path of household is when the merging of the sanskars happen. Both Om Radhey and Brahma Baba did not unite their sanskars during their era, so a household path was not created during their lifetime. Also it is never stated in AK that Baba Dixit and Kamala Devi were establishing a household path during her presence in AIVV.

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by nivi » 26 Apr 2011

Jagadpita (Baba) and Jagdamba are both Pbk's i.e. rudra mala beads. Rudra mala souls have taken more King (male) births for many lifetimes, so regardless of our current male or female bodies(which is based on our past life sanskara) we are considered brothers. All rudra mala souls are brothers because we are direct children of Shiv Baba(as we recognize him in practical and also learn Raja Yoga from him) and also reach soul conscious stage like Baap saman stage( stage of Father). We( rudra mala souls) get paired with Vijay mala (from Bk side) and become a couple for at least 21 births based on our current purusharth.

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by arjun » 27 Apr 2011

Om Shanti. Anu has been spreading lies that the issue of Jagdamba (Kamala Devi) is never discussed by PBKs or answered by Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. The following Q&A regarding Mama was circulated among PBKs long ago and is probably available in the PBK Section of this forum as well. It proves that Jagdamba (Kamala Devi's soul) is not going to be the spouse of Jagatpita (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) in the Golden Age and Silver Age:

Prashna: Kya Jagdamba ka koi pati hoga aur vah kaun hoga?
Uttar: Jagadamba hai rudramala ki manka, vijaymala ka jo ooper ka jo 2 manke honge onme se ek Jagadamba ki jodi banega.

Question: Will Jagdamba have a husband and who will that be?
Answer: Jagdamba is a bead of the rosary of Rudra. One among the topmost two beads of the rosary of victory will become the couple of Jagdamba.

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by arjun » 27 Apr 2011

Another proof that Mama's issue was discussed long ago:

Prashna: Mama (Jagdamba) kuch varshon say kyon gupt ho gayi?
Uttar: Dasrath Patel ne hamla kiya; Baba ke khilaph Court me case dala gaya, oos me Mummy ko ghasita gaya, tab se bhaybhit hoker gayab hogayi, connection tode diya.

Question: Why has Mama (Jagdamba) become incognito since last few years?
Ans: Dashrath Patel launched an attack; case was filed against Baba in the Court; Mammy was dragged in that; since then, she got frightened and vanished, and cut-off connection.

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by arjun » 27 Apr 2011

One more proof for the kind information of anu that the issue of Mama was discussed long ago (probably in response to an issue raised by shivsena Bhai):

Prashna : BKInfo forum ke PBK section may ek charcha shuru hui hai ki PBKs say Mama ka lokik naam kyon likhvaya jaata hai aur usmay Dikshit surname kyon lagvaya jata hai jabki vah Yagya chod kar chali gayi hai aur kayiyon ka yah maanana hai ki unhonay doosree shaadi kar lee hai.
Uttar: Baba kahan bolte hain ki Mama Yagya chod chali gayi. Bhal Mama chod kar cali gayi par Baba ne to unko choda nahi.Baba ko to pura vishwas hain ki Mama hi Jagadamba hai. Vo vapas zaroor ayegi. Laukik duniya me bhi divorce tab hi mana jata hai jab dono taraf se uske liye manzoor hain. Par edhar to Baba abhi bhi Jagadamba mante hain.

Mama ka naam isliye likhvaya jata hai kyun ki vo to Jagadama hai. Vo asuro ki bhi ma hai aur devtayon ki bhi Maa hain. Vo devtayon ki bhi support karti hain aur asuron ko bhi support karti hain. Aur Jagadamba Mahakali banti hain aur poor duniya ka vinash karti hain. Asuron ka vinash karna, purane duniya ka vinash karna bhi to kalyankari hain na.


Question: A discussion has been started on in the PBK Section of BKInfo forum that why are the PBKs made to write the lokik name of Mama and why are they made to suffix Dikshit to that name when she has left the Yagya and many people believe that she has remarried.
Ans: Does Baba say that Mama has left the Yagya? Although Mama left, Baba certainly did not leave her. Indeed, Baba has complete faith that Mama alone is Jagdamba. She will certainly come back. Even in the outside (lokik) world, divorce is accepted only when both parties agree to it. But here Baba still considers her as Jagdamba.

(PBKs) are asked to write Mama’s name because she is Jagdamba. She is the mother of demons as well as the deities. She supports the deities as well as the demons. And Jagdamba becomes Mahakali and destroys the entire world. Destroying the demons, destroying the old world is also beneficial, isn’t it?


Shivsena Bhai knows very well as to how many times the issue of Mama has been discussed on this forum and also in various discussion CDs, but why will he come forward and accept this fact when he is being glorified for displaying maturity by his selective silence?

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by Sach_Khand » 28 Apr 2011

arjun wrote:Shivsena Bhai knows very well as to how many times the issue of Mama has been discussed on this forum and also in various discussion CDs, but why will he come forward and accept this fact when he is being glorified for displaying maturity by his selective silence?
Now that applies even to you many times. And for me also. Everyone here have been selectively keeping silence sometime or the other when it is not their headache (not literally) to answer.

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by arjun » 28 Apr 2011

sachkhand wrote:Now that applies even to you many times. And for me also. Everyone here have been selectively keeping silence sometime or the other when it is not their headache (not literally) to answer.
In that case nobody should object to anyone being silent on any particular issue. But I have observed that while the silence of others is conveniently ignored, my silence on any issue is blown out of proportions. However, it is all part of drama.

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by ANU » 07 May 2011

For years I heard in AK that Prajapita is always on the pravritti marg; and that Jagadamba was on the pravritti. Which whom was Prajapita on the pravritti if not with Jagadamba when she was in the Yagya? Which whom was Jagadamba on the pravritti marg then? Again the old explanation was cancelled and a new explanation was established?

And please do not forget that AK teaches that Om Radhe was 14 when she came to the Yagya and this was the main reason of not being able to creat the pravritti with Dada. We know that Om Radhe was not 14. So again AK delivered false information.

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by arjun » 08 May 2011

anu wrote:For years I heard in AK that Prajapita is always on the pravritti marg; and that Jagadamba was on the pravritti. Which whom was Prajapita on the pravritti if not with Jagadamba when she was in the Yagya? Which whom was Jagadamba on the pravritti marg then? Again the old explanation was cancelled and a new explanation was established?
Jagdamba was yagyamata. She sustained the virgins and mothers who dedicated their lives to ShivBaba.

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by mbbhat » 09 May 2011

arjun wrote:... BKs project Brahma Baba and Om Radhey Mama as couple both in Confluence Age and in the Golden Age.......
A wrong statement.

BKs say during Confluence Age, the relation is Father and daughter. (Since their efforts are almost equal) they become couple in Golden Age.

Even though Mama is called as Jagadamba and Brahma as Jagatpita, I have never heard anywhere in Murli saying- "Jagadamba and Jagatpita are couple" nor BKs believe that they are couple.

Both of them are models or BKs. But no BK considers that Mama is wife of Brahma Baba.

It is said in Murli that Brahma is (alowkik) wife of ShivBaba. But Mama is neither lowkik nor alowkik wife of Brahma.

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by arjun » 09 May 2011

mbbhat wrote:A wrong statement.

BKs say during Confluence Age, the relation is Father and daughter. (Since their efforts are almost equal) they become couple in olden age.
If that was the case why are they shown sitting side by side in the picture of the World Cycle and the Kalpa Tree in the portion representing the Confluence Age?

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by mbbhat » 09 May 2011

arjun wrote:If that was the case why are they shown sitting side by side in the picture of the World Cycle and the Kalpa Tree in the portion representing the Confluence Age?
Already explained = because their efforts are equal and both of them are role models for BKs.

It (sitting side by side) does not mean that they are couple. But it means that they are going o become couple in their next birth = in Golden Age.

Bk life is student life. so there is no question of couple here.

A Murli point says- "those whose efforts are equal become couple in heaven". Since their result is already declared and are number one and two, they are shown together

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Re: AIVV false story of Om Radhe Mama

Post by ANU » 09 May 2011

arjun wrote:Jagdamba was yagyamata. She sustained the virgins and mothers who dedicated their lives to ShivBaba.
I was taught in the Yagya in AK that Jagadamba Kamla Devi was on the household path with Prajapita. She made the path of the household possible in AK.

If Jagadamba was only a yagyamata, as arjun says, who and were was her partner, so that she could become a mata? And who was a partner of Jagatpita in the household path? Acc. to AK teachings Prajapita is ALWAYS on the household path, unlike BK sanyasis?

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