mbbhat wrote:If remembrance of Mr Dixit is more than soul of DL, how can soul of DL control or misuse body of Dixit?
Because the soul of Shankar is still in purusharthi stage, and also there is a karmic account between those two, so soul of DL is able to control his body. But once his purusharth is complete and he attains 100% baap saman stage then Shankar will have long jump and then control DL.
mbbhat wrote:Now- once PBKs (or you) say- remembrance of soul of Shankar is not constant, (but best when compared to other souls) then obviously, his faith too would be fluctuating, may be least when compared to other souls, is it not? So, the PBK interpretation of the Murli point- "Shankar does not come in rebirth" (PBKs interpret this as- his faith does not fluctuate, but that of rest fluctuate) loses value.
Comparing remembrance and faith is wrong. In purusharthi stage there are three stages. Baba told sakari, akari and nirakari stages.(abhi abhi sakari, abhi abhi akari, aur abhi abhi nirakari). So the remembrance fluctuates in sakari, akari and nirakari stages.That does not mean he lost faith. He has complete faith that Shiv is entering into him in all three stages.
mbbhat wrote:Moreover, as per their own words, faith of Shankar was lost earlier when the soul had left Yagya in 1942. So, where do their (mis)interpretations fit?
Shankar aka Ram does not lose faith in 1942. Yes, in 1942, Ram failed, but that does not mean he lost faith. Ram failed because that time, the knowledge was not complete. But he has complete faith in Shiv entering in him.
"I have come in THIS one, and THIS ONE ONLY, I begin from THIS(DL)".
That point does not refer to Dada Lekhraj. But it refers to permanent(fixed or mukarar) rath.The only one rath through which God gives mukti and jeevan mukti to entire world; that's why Shiv Baba told that there were personalities in Yagya who gave drill to Mama and Baba also. And in that, Baba also told that Baba entered in them and gave directions.
10 varsh se saath me rahane vale dhayn me jay, Mama-Baba ko bhi drill karate the. head ho kar bithate the. unme Baba pravesh kar direction dete the. (Mu 25.7.67 page 2 last)
mbbhat wrote: Baba creates an image/concept of BVS or Subtle Region, or the goal in advance. There is no actual creation. For example, an engineer/teacher initially draws plan/sketch of the building/project he is going to build, which is the goal. So, initially, Baba had created Subtle Region, means Baba introduced the concept of Subtle Region and Trimurti.
More given here- Post No. 26 to 28. http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... ject#p4078 See the Murli point where Baba says- actually, there are no BVS. Even if vision of Brahma happens, it is just a vision. Even Brahma does not exist in Subtle Region (obviously impossible UNTIL 1969)
Yes Baba cleared that there is no Subtle Region beyond Sakar world. It is in the intellect of children.
(Baaki sukhshma vatan me kya hai, kuch bhi nahi).
There is no difference in time in the birth of BVS. Shiv enters in Adidevi(jagadamba) and at the same time in adinath(Shankar) also. (jagadamba was telling and at the same time Shankar was understanding it because Shiv entered in him). At the same time Vedanti Mama(Vishnu) was listening the conversation. So all three BVS got birth together. At that time Dada Lekhraj was not there. He later came to know the clarification through jagadamba. So there were present only three, but not four. So the trimurthi got birth together.mbbhat wrote:Murli point says- "all the three BVS got birth together". But, as per PBKs, they took birth one after the other. First their adi Brahma, then the others. OK , let's still agree the difference was just few minutes and hence negligible.
But, as per PBKs, it was not three personalities, it was four - Adi Brahma(soul of Kamala Devi) , Radha bachchi(soul of Vedanti Sister), Sevakram(soul of Dixit) and B Baba(DLR)]. So four! So, again going against Murli points. Where did the 4th one DISAPPEAR? If PBKs add the fourth one as well, how does it become trimurtis?
Shankar does not give knowledge. The Supreme Soul Shiv gives knowledge through the body of Shankar. Shankar is in remembrance, and the one who plays the part through his body is Shiv. Shankar cannot speak, it is Shiv who speaks through his body. Saraswathi should be placed at the seat of Shankar, because it is the Shiv-shaktis who actually do the destruction.mbbhat wrote:I am still not sure. I have already put my views in the same topic (this is page No. 19, you may refer to previous pages). I would like to say again. I believe the role of Shankar fits best for Mama, after 1965. Because Baba has clearly said- "Shankar neither takes knowledge, nor gives it. There is no connection of Shankar with Brahma or Vishnu, Saraswati should be placed at the seat of Shankar, Shankar cannot speak, you cannot ask Shankar, etc., etc., etc."
There was no error in Baba Dixitji's role. It should be understood by churning the knowledge in real sense. That's why it was told in Murli that Shankar's part is wonderful.mbbhat wrote:How do you believe Mr Dixit's role as alround part? Doing so many errors, his Jagadmaba going out of Yagya, he himself failed and was out of Yagya from 1942 till 1969 or 1976?
Actually, does not this fit best to PBKs who raise questions by taking ISOLATED Murli points and keep making one-sided interpretations? But, PBKs themselves fail to reply to their own claims. Put here- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593
Failed in unit test, would not be failed. But failed in final exam is the real fail. Baba clearly told that you should not tell Ramchandra failed.
Bap samajhte hai aise nehi kahenge ramchandr fail hua. Nahi. koi bachhe fail huye(in 1942) jo jaakar bhavishy me (in 1969) ramchandr(Shankar) bante hai. Ram va sita treta me thodehi padate hai, jo kahe fail huye. yah bhi samjhne ki baat hai na. (Revised Mu 9.8.70 page 1 middle)
When the original principal was absent, there would be vice-principal who will take responsibility. Like that, Dada Lekhraj took responsibility. But he is not permanent(Fixed or mukarar) rath. (Baba told that he took the body of Dada Lekhraj temporarily).
ShivBaba ka yah temporary rath hai (Revised Mu 25.6.71 page 3 last)