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Is Virendra Dev Dixit not aware of Supreme Soul Shiv?

Post by sachkhand » 24 Apr 2009

arjun wrote:Translation of Discussion CD 14 (Dt: 18-2-05) at Jammu
Part -6


Student: He is the Father of those who believe in Him.
Baba – Yes, they don’t believe in the Murli but are shouting ‘our Father’ ‘our Father.’ They want to believe in only the Didi, Dadi, and dadas. They are all under their control. ... They don’t believe [in it] do they? Then why do they say so?...
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Student: Baba like first of all you were the one to do the service of the Advance Party…
Baba – What? It is the Father who did it. What did I do?
Student: Yes, I agree there was ShivBaba who was doing all this…
Baba – He might be ShivBaba in your eyes but I’m not feeling that ShivBaba.
Student: Yes, but it was done by you, and the children came later.
Baba – The truth which comes into your mind, won’t you tell it to the other souls? If you don’t speak then you are a cor (thief).
Student: Yes, we will certainly tell others, I don’t want to become a thief…
AUM Shanti.
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I am again raising an issue which I feel is very important.

Will any PBK explain the words made bold and underlined in the above discussion quoted.
In the above discussion it is said that if the truth which comes to our mind is not told to others then we are like a cor i.e., thief.
So when V.Dixit started telling the knowledge of Advance Party had he not experienced or felt that other power (Supreme Soul) within him. Was he not at least aware if not convinced of that power within him. Or was he telling the knowledge that 'he felt was true', and if it is so then why does he not accept that it he was the one to do the service in the beginning of the Advance Party.
I mean no offense to anyone. But as it is an imortant issue, I am raising it. If the members of the forum do not like anyone questioning anyone's beleif's then I will not raise any such issue.
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Re: Is Veerendra Dev Dixit not aware of Supreme Soul Shiv?

Post by arjun » 24 Apr 2009

Om Shanti. In the extracts of discussion quoted by brother Sachkhand, Baba Virendra Dev Dixit is only displaying the humility that ShivBaba expects every child to follow. ShivBaba says in the Murlis that no Brahmin child should feel egotistic about the Godly service that he/she might have done. One should always think that it is ShivBaba who is enabling us to do the service.

On many occasions, many PBKs try to ask some tricky questions to make Baba Virendra Dev Dixit accept that he is the medium of incorporeal Shiv or that God Shiv is playing a part through him, but he never utters any such words or sentences which may prove that he is the medium of God. Whereas Brahma Baba accepted this many times.

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Post by john » 24 Apr 2009

Then on what grounds do PBKs state that it is ShivBaba, if Virendra Dev Dixit does not accept it?

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Re: Is Veerendra Dev Dixit not aware of Supreme Soul Shiv?

Post by mbbhat » 25 Apr 2009

I mean no offense to anyone. But as it is an imortant issue, I am raising it. If the members of the forum do not like anyone questioning anyone's belief's then I will not raise any such issue.
Thanks. Sanjeev
I both respect and like your many questions.
arjun wrote: On many occasions, many PBKs try to ask some tricky questions to make Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit accept that he is the medium of incorporeal Shiv or that God Shiv is playing a part through him, 1)but he never utters any such words or sentences which may prove that he is the medium of God. 2)Whereas Brahma Baba accepted this many times.
Dear Arjun Soul,

1)So has Mr. Dixit had not utter these words even from the beginning? If yes, then how others came to know that Shiva is in him? If no, when did he stopped uttering these words and why?

2)Do you say Brahma Baba had ego while accepting and/or this was a mistake from Brahma Baba?

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Post by sachkhand » 25 Apr 2009

arjun wrote:Om Shanti. In the extracts of discussion quoted by Brother Sachkhand, Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit is only displaying the humility that ShivBaba expects every child to follow. ShivBaba says in the Murlis that no Brahmin child should feel egotistic about the Godly service that he/she might have done. One should always think that it is ShivBaba who is enabling us to do the service.
AUM Shanti.
I think in Murli it is said that ShivBaba does service through children. Some get egoistic and some with humility accept that they did not had that knowledge and that Drishti power, and so it is the work of ShivBaba.
I understand this.

But Virendra Dev Dixit is claiming something when he gives knowledge. And he has been really trying very hard to convince others what he indirectly says. He is claiming hat Brahma Baba is not the actual Chariot of Supreme Soul Shiv. It is he i.e., Virendra Dev Dixit who is the actual Mukarrar rath (appointed Chariot) of Supreme Soul Shiv and hence is Prajapita and hence the Practical form of The GodFather Shiv.

A humble man does not need to try to convince others and instigate others to spread his words in the world that he is practical GodFather, and at the same time do not want to accept it directly. I think it is not humbleness, but lack of confidence in himself and is a means of deceiving himself and others.

It is true that ShivBaba has said to each Brahmin child that they should not just think but understand and accept that it is ShivBaba who is enabling children to do service. But ShivBaba has also said that ShivBaba will never write on board or declare who is who. Children will know their part and will get revealed. And I expect that such children will humbly accept their role and will take the responsiblity and do their part accordingly.

One another thing is that, in advance knowledge Virendra Dev Dixit has been saying and stressing this point that ShivBaba means combination of Nirakar and Sakar. Then will ShivBaba not accept what He is? If this would be the case, then it is never possible that the world will know who is giving knowledge and who is The Father of Humanity. Because according to Virendra Dev Dixit Shiv will never say that He is Shiv speaking through the Chariot and the soul of the Chariot will think it is egoistic to accept that Supreme Soul Shiv speaks through him and he is the Mukarrar rath of Supreme Soul Shiv. Then on what basis or on what ground is this knowledge being spread? Just some experience by weak tamopradhan people of Kaliyug? You know that there are so many people in this world who have experienced some or the other type of spiritual or mystic experiences through their Gurus or Teachers. Should they start spreading the word that their Guru is "The practical form of GodFather" and is "The Father of Humanity"? I myself have had mystic experiences when I went to few other spiritual people. Should they then be called as The GodFather? And they too indirectly say that they are God in their own way. But never accept directly that they actually are. Being humble does not mean shying away from the statements and claims that they make openly and even instigate people to spread their word. Is this not treachery? In my opinion it is.

In Murli it is said that ShivBaba gives His introduction Himself. And I think giving introduction of oneself is impossible without saying "I". If some other soul is giving introduction then too the soul of that Chariot has the responsiblity to accept that such and such soul uses his/her body to give knowledge. Or atleast say that he/she does not know who is that soul using his Chariot to give knowledge. So, is Virendra Dev Dixit not confident who is giving knowledge through him?
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Re: Is Veerendra Dev Dixit not aware of Supreme Soul Shiv?

Post by shivsena » 26 Apr 2009

Dear sanjeev Bhai.

Very good argument.

I fully agree with you that the user of the Chariot is responsible for all actions.
If it is Shiva who is using the Chariot, then He should say to his children "Remember me".
If it is Ram, then He should say "Remember shiv in my body".
But none of these words are spoken by the Chariot, so it is obvious that it is Krishna's soul(badaa Bhai) who is using the body of Virendra Dev Dixit and hence He always keeps on addressing PBKs as "Bhai" / "Behan" and tells them to remember ShivBaba. Krishna's soul can never say "Remember me" or ''Remember shiv in my body".

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Post by john » 26 Apr 2009

Very Logical and sensible points by Shachkhand and Sivasena.

I'd like to add,that if ShivBaba claimed to be himself through Virendra Dev Dixit, it would not in fact be Virendra Dev Dixit making the claim, therefore would not be against Shrimat.
Is Virendra Dev Dixit trying to say Brahmababa made the claims or was it ShivBaba through Brahma that made the claim?

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Re: Is Veerendra Dev Dixit not aware of Supreme Soul Shiv?

Post by mbbhat » 02 May 2009

shivsena wrote:... 1)so it is obvious that it is Krishna's soul(badaa Bhai) who is using the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit and hence He always keeps on addressing PBKs as "Bhai" / "Behan" and tells them to remember ShivBaba. 2)Krishna's soul can never say "Remember me" or ''Remember Shiv in my body".
Dear Shivasena soul,

1)Will you please explain how can you use the word obvious? How can you be sure that there is another soul in Mr. Dixit's body and that is Dada Lekhraj's(Krishna's) soul?

2)Krishna= Dada Lekhraj's soul never said Remember me or remember Shiv in my body. He also had said Become Nirakari, nirvikari and nirahankari. He was interested in Avyakt satge and not corporeal things. Then what is the significance of the word- can never say?

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Re: Is Veerendra Dev Dixit not aware of Supreme Soul Shiv?

Post by arjun » 03 May 2009

john wrote:Is Veerendra Dev Dixit trying to say Brahmababa made the claims or was it ShivBaba through Brahma that made the claim?
Yes, there are many sentences/versions in the Sakar Murlis which prove that Brahma Baba accepted that he is the Chariot of Shiv.

I am reproducing below a Murli extract already posted in the BK Section
Murli Pt.No.490
“यह माताएं बडी मीठी हैं। गांव वालों में भाव अच्छा रहता है। साधारण बच्चों को देख बाबा भी खुश होते हैं। कृष्ण को गांवडे का छोरा कहते हैं ना। कृष्ण तो गांवड़े का छोरा बन न सके। वह तो स्वर्ग का मालिक है। इनकी और कृष्ण की बातें मिक्स कर दी हैं। गांवड़े का पूरा अनुभव इनको है। तो शिवबाबा वा कृष्ण गांवड़े का छोरा बन न सके। हाँ, यह (दादा) छोटेपन में था। पला ही गांवड़े में हूँ। तो इस साधारण तन में फिर बाप ने आकर प्रवेश किया है। बाबा ने मुख्य बात समझाई है कि सारा मदार है याद पर। याद कभी भूलनी नहीं चाहिए। लौकिक बच्चा थोड़ेही कभी कहेगा – मैं बाप को भूल जाता हूँ। सजनी कभी साजन को भूल जाती है क्या? इम्पासिबुल है। यह है तुम बच्चों के लिए मेहनत। निरन्तर याद के अभ्यास से ही विकर्म विनाश होंगे।“ (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक १९.०७.०८, पृ. ३ एवं ४)

"Yah maataaen badee meethi hain. Gaon vaalon may bhaav achcha rahtaa hai. Saadhaaran bachchon ko dekh Baba bhi khush hotey hain. Krishna ko gaanvade ka chora kahtey hain na. Krishna toh gaanvde ka chora ban na sakey. Vah toh swarg ka maalik hai. Inki aur Krishna kee baatein mix kar dee hain. Gaanvade ka poora anubhav inko hai. Toh ShivBaba va Krishna gaanvde ka chora ban na sakey. Haan, yah (Dada) choteypan may tha. Palaa hee gaanvdey may hoon. Toh is saadhaarna tan may fir Baap nay aakar pravesh kiya hai. Baba nay mukhya baat samjhaai hai ki saaraa madaar hai Yaad par. Yaad kabhi bhoolnee nahee chaahiye. Lokik bachcha thodey hee kabhi kahega – mai Baap ko bhool jaataa hoon. Sajnee kabhi saajan ko bhool jaati hai kya? Impossible hai. Yah hai tum bachchon ke liye mehnat. Nirantar Yaad ke abhyaas say hee vikarma vinaash hongey."(Brahmakumariyon dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli, dinaank 19.07.08, pg 3&4)

“These mothers are very sweet. Villagers have good feelings. Baba also feels pleased to see ordinary children. Krishna is called a village lad, isn’t he? Krishna cannot become a village lad. He is the master of heaven. The matters of this one and Krishna have been mixed up. This one has a complete experience of a village. So, ShivBaba or Krishna cannot become a village lad. Yes, this one (Dada) was (a village lad) in his childhood. I have been brought up in a village. So, the Father has once again entered in this ordinary body. Baba has explained the main issue that everything depends on remembrance. One should never forget remembrance. Will a lokik child ever say – I forget the Father. Does a wife ever forget the husband? It is impossible. This is a hard work for you children. Sins will be destroyed only through the practice of constant remembrance.”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 19.07.08, pg 3&4 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)

Then there is this point:
"Anaayaas ghar baithey raastey jaatey Baba nay pravesh kar liya fir maaloom padaa."
"All of a sudden, while sitting at home, while walking on the path Baba entered. Then (I) came to know." (Revised Sakar Murli 29.07.08, pg.3 published by the BKs)

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Re: Is Veerendra Dev Dixit not aware of Supreme Soul Shiv?

Post by arjun » 03 May 2009

“बाप का ज्ञान किसमें है नहीं। पूछो भगवान कहाँ है? तो कहेंगे सर्वव्यापी है। गोया भगवान का ज्ञान कोई में है नहीं। इसलिए भक्ति करते हैं भगवान से मिलने के लिए। परन्तु कैसे और कब मिलेंगे? यह किसको पता नहीं है। बाप कहते हैं कोटों में कोई मुझे पहचानते हैं। मनुष्य तो सरसों मिसल अथाह हैं। इनमें कोई जो सिकीलधे हैं वही आकर मुझे पहचानेंगे और बाप से अपना वर्सा लेंगे। तुम समझा सकते हो कि इस समय सभी भक्त हैं। चाहते हैं कि हम भगवान से भक्ति का फल लेवें। अगर तुम सब भगवान हो तो फिर भक्त तो कोई हो न सके। अगर तुम भगवान हो तो बाकी तुमको क्या चाहिए? भक्तों को फिर मिलना है भगवान से।

अपने को भगवान कहना – यह तो एक इन्सल्ट है, इससे बड़ी इन्सल्ट कोई होती नहीं। अल्लाह से तो हम बहिश्त का वर्सा लेना चाहते हैं। तुम कहते हो – हम अल्लाह हैं। अब तुम ही जज करो। तुमको कोई कहे – हम अल्लाह हैं, यह कैसे हो सकता? अल्लाह तो सबसे बड़ा है। यह बहुत समझने की बातें हैं। कभी भी कोई अपने को अल्लाह वा भगवान कह न सके। बाप सबका एक होगा। ऐसे बहुत कहते हैं परमात्मा सर्वव्यापी है। अरे, तुम भगवान हो, हम तो नहीं मानते। हम तो भक्त हैं। आशिक हैं उस माशुक के। एक परमात्मा को ही पतित पावन कहा जाता है।“
(ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली तारीख ०७.०६.०८, पृष्ठ २)

“Baap ka gyaan kismay hai nahi. Poocho Bhagwaan kahaan hai? Toh kahengey sarvavyaapi hai. Goya Bhagwaan ka gyaan koi may hai nahee. Isliye Bhakti kartey hain Bhagwaan say milney ke liye. Parantu kaisey aur kab milengey? Yah kisko pataa nahee hai. Baap kahtey hain koton may koi mujhey pehchaantey hain. Manushya toh sarson misal athaah hain. Inmay koi jo seekiladhey hain vahee aakar mujhey pehchaanengey aur Baap say apnaa varsa lengey. Tum samjha saktey ho ki is samay sabhi bhakt hain. Chaahtey hain ki ham Bhagwaan say Bhakti ka fal levein. Agar tum sab Bhagwaan ho toh fir bhakt toh koi ho na sakey. Agar tum Bhagwaan ho toh baaki tumko kya chaahiye? Bhakton ko fir milnaa hai Bhagwaan say.

Apney ko Bhagwaan kahnaa – yah toh ek insult hai, is say badee insult koi hoti nahee. Allah say toh ham bahisht ka varsa lena chaahtey hain. Tum kahtey ho – Ham Allah hain! Ab tum hee judge karo. Tumko koi kahey – ham Allah hain, yah kaisey ho sakta? Allah toh sabsey badaa hai. Yah bahut samajhney kee baatein hain. Kabhi bhi koi apney ko Allah va Bhagwaan kah na sakey. Baap sabka ek hoga. Aisey bahut kahtey hain parmatma sarvavyapi hai. Arey, tum Bhagwan ho, ham toh nahi mantey. Ham toh bhakt hain. Aashik hain us maashuk kay. Ek Parmatma ko hee patit-paavan kahaa jaataa hai."
(Brahmakumariyon dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 07.06.08, pg 2)

“Nobody has the knowledge of the Father. If you ask them – where is God? They will say He is omnipresent. It means that nobody has the knowledge of God. That is why they do Bhakti to meet God. But nobody knows as to how and when they will meet (God)? The Father says – A few among crores (millions) recognize me. Human beings are numerous/abundant like the mustard seeds. Among them those who are seekiladhey (long lost and now found) will come and recognize me and obtain their inheritance from the Father. You can explain that at this time everyone is a devotee (bhakt). They want that they should obtain the fruit of Bhakti from God. If you all are Gods, then nobody can be a devotee. If you are God, then what else do you want? The devotees have to meet God.

Calling oneself as God is an insult. There cannot be a bigger insult than this. We want to obtain the inheritance of heaven from Allah. You say that – we are Allah. Well, you yourself judge. If anyone tells you that he/she is Allah, then how can it be possible? Allah is the greatest one. These are matters to be understood in detail. Nobody can call himself as Allah or God. Everybody’s Father would be one. Many say that the Supreme Soul is omnipresent. Arey, you are God, we don’t believe you. We are devotees. We are lovers of that beloved. Only one Supreme Soul is called a purifier of the sinful ones."
(Revised Sakar Murli dated 07.06.08, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, translated by a PBK)

I think the above Murli quote is clear enough to prove that nobody can call himself God. Even God will not say directly that I am God. He has to be recognized only through the third eye of knowledge.

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Re: Is Veerendra Dev Dixit not aware of Supreme Soul Shiv?

Post by shivsena » 04 May 2009

arjun wrote:
I think the above Murli quote is clear enough to prove that nobody can call himself God. Even God will not say directly that I am God. He has to be recognized only through the third eye of knowledge.
Dear arjun Bhai.

You say that ''even God will not say directly that i am God''; but many Murlis say that "Bhagwan(bap) aakar khud apna parichay(introduction) dete hain". [that is why God is also called KHUDA- meaning one who gives his own introduction].

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Post by sachkhand » 04 May 2009

arjun wrote:Apney ko Bhagwaan kahnaa – yah toh ek insult hai, is say badee insult koi hoti nahee. Allah say toh ham bahisht ka varsa lena chaahtey hain. Tum kahtey ho – Ham Allah hain! Ab tum hee judge karo. Tumko koi kahey – ham Allah hain, yah kaisey ho sakta? Allah toh sabsey badaa hai. Yah bahut samajhney kee baatein hain. Kabhi bhi koi apney ko Allah va Bhagwaan kah na sakey. Baap sabka ek hoga. Aisey bahut kahtey hain parmatma sarvavyapi hai. Arey, tum Bhagwan ho, ham toh nahi mantey. Ham toh bhakt hain. Aashik hain us maashuk kay. Ek Parmatma ko hee patit-paavan kahaa jaataa hai." (Brahmakumariyon dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 07.06.08, pg 2)

“Nobody has The Knowledge of the Father. If you ask them – where is God? They will say He is omnipresent. It means that nobody has The Knowledge of God. That is why they do Bhakti to meet God. But nobody knows as to how and when they will meet (God)? The Father says – A few among crores (millions) recognize me. Human beings are numerous/abundant like the mustard seeds. Among them those who are seekiladhey (long lost and now found) will come and recognize me and obtain their inheritance from the Father. You can explain that at this time everyone is a devotee (bhakt). They want that they should obtain the fruit of Bhakti from God. If you all are Gods, then nobody can be a devotee. If you are God, then what else do you want? The devotees have to meet God.

Calling oneself as God is an insult. There cannot be a bigger insult than this. We want to obtain the inheritance of heaven from Allah. You say that – we are Allah. Well, you yourself judge. If anyone tells you that he/she is Allah, then how can it be possible? Allah is the greatest one. These are matters to be understood in detail. Nobody can call himself as Allah or God. Everybody’s Father would be one. Many say that the Supreme Soul is omnipresent. Arey, you are God, we don’t believe you. We are devotees. We are lovers of that beloved. Only one Supreme Soul is called a purifier of the sinful ones."
(Revised Sakar Murli dated 07.06.08, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, translated by a PBK)

I think the above Murli quote is clear enough to prove that nobody can call himself God. Even God will not say directly that I am God. He has to be recognized only through the third eye of knowledge.
AUM Shanti.
I am really amazed that a PBK is quoting this Murli point.
Virendra Dev Dixit, in his explanation has told that he i.e., the soul of Ram, is Paramatma and Shiv is Parampita.
So therefore has Virendra Dev Dixit not called himself as Paramatma? Is it correct to say so?
Also regarding receiving the inheritance. Virendra Dev Dixit in his explanation has asked that do you children get the inheritance from Bindi Bap Shiv or ShivBaba i.e., Ram i.e., himself? From Bindi Bap Shiv the inheritance is of Nirakari world, but the inheritance of Heaven is to be received from Paramatma i.e., himself because he is the racheita or creator of Heaven ( read or hear the explanation of Lakshmi Narayan Picture by Virendra Dev Dixit) because as Heaven is Sakar i.e., corporeal so is it's creator. And Virendra Dev Dixit has said many times that Shiv is just Parampita whereas Ram i.e., himself is Paramatma. Has he not said so? What is it's meaning then?

Now regarding the question that nobody can call himself as God or Allah.
Is it said anywhere in Murli that Shiv Himself will not call Himself as Shiv? There are points in Murli where it is clearly said that " I am Shiv, I am not the soul of Brahma or Vishinu or Shankar". (The wordings might be different but with this meaning). And if Shiv has never said himself as Shiv then howcome Dada Lekharaj came to know that the soul using his body is Supreme Soul Shiv?
I have not asked Virendra Dev Dixit to declare himself as God or Allah.
But would Shiv not declare Himself as Shiv through Virendra Dev Dixit if Virendra Dev Dixit is actually Prajapita. And what is the problem with Virendra Dev Dixit to accept directly the truth (provided if it is true) that Shiv speaks through him. Why does Virendra Dev Dixit tell that he has not felt Supreme Soul Shiv in him? Is he not aware of that?
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Just a doubt.

Post by sachkhand » 04 May 2009

AUM Shanti.
Is someone else answering to posts in the name of Arjun. Because the signature of Arjun at the end of the post or to his replies like
...
OGS
Arjun.
is missing in many of the replies to posts. I have asked just to get clear my doubt.
Thanks.
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Re: Is Veerendra Dev Dixit not aware of Supreme Soul Shiv?

Post by arjun » 05 May 2009

sachkhand wrote:Veerendra Dev Dixit, in his explanation has told that he i.e., the soul of Ram, is Paramatma and Shiv is Parampita.
So therefore has Veerendra Dev Dixit not called himself as Paramatma? Is it correct to say so?
But he never said that he is the soul of Ram.
And what is the problem with Veerendra Dev Dixit to accept directly the truth (provided if it is true) that Shiv speaks through him. Why does Veerendra Dev Dixit tell that he has not felt Supreme Soul Shiv in him? Is he not aware of that?
I have replied to you several times on the bkinfo forum that he will never accept that Shiv speaks through him because it has been said in the Murlis that those who claim that they are God or that God is speaking through them are Hiranyakashyaps.

You have said elsewhere that you don't want to force Baba Virendra Dev Dixit to give any answer. Then why are you trying to force him to accept that Shiv is speaking through him? If you want to declare yourself as Prajapita you are free to do so. You are unnecessarily trying to waste our time by repeating the same statement/question again and again just as shivsena Bhai does not feel tired of repeating that the entire advanced knowledge is false. If you want to follow his footsteps you are free to do so. But I will not repeat my answer on this topic again. I am not forcing you to accept my answer.
Is someone else answering to posts in the name of Arjun. Because the signature of Arjun at the end of the post or to his replies like 'OGS, Arjun' is missing in many of the replies to posts. I have asked just to get clear my doubt.
I have not authorised anyone else to make posts using my username and password. Sometimes 'OGS, Arjun' is missing just to save time.

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Re: Is Veerendra Dev Dixit not aware of Supreme Soul Shiv?

Post by shivsena » 05 May 2009

Dear arjun Bhai.

The Murli point below which you have quoted can also be interpretated from behad ka point of view.


“Nobody (meaning no bk or pbk) has The Knowledge of the Father. If you ask them(BKs or PBKs) – where is God? They (BKs/PBKs) will say He is omnipresent.(meaning that He is bindi-point of light) It means that nobody has The Knowledge of God. (meaning no bk or pbk has knowledge of personified form of ShivBaba or how HE will be revealed) That is why they do Bhakti to meet God. (meaning that they go on jismani yatra to meet Baba in mount abu or in Kampil) But nobody knows as to how and when they will meet (God)? (meaning how God will meet his children in future) The Father says – A few among crores (millions) recognize me. (meaning that only 108 will recognise my personified form) Human beings are numerous/abundant like the mustard seeds.(meaning BKs and PBKs are numerous in this behad ka drama) Among them those who are seekiladhey (long lost and now found) will come and recognize me and obtain their inheritance from the Father (meaning only 108 will get kingship). You (potential 108) can explain that at this time everyone is a devotee (bhakt). (meaning all BKs and PBKs are bhagats doing Bhakti)They want that they should obtain the fruit of Bhakti from God.

In brackets in blue are my interpretation; every Murli point can be explained from 3 angles: bk point of view --pbk point of view and potential 108 viewpoint.
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