# Flaw No. 120) PBKs caught in CLUTCH OF THEIR OWN ENDLESS CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS:-
arjun wrote:How can both be equal when one is in subtle body and one is in corporeal body?
PBKs may give more value to corporeal than subtle or incorporeal. But, Baba clearly says- Incorporeal is highest, next subtle deities, next corporeal humans.
2)BTW, who is higher or more powerful among these- (from PBk point of view) just SS point Shiv or living soul of Mr Dixit =(soul and body of Mr Dixit)?
When Brahma Baba's soul is in Shankar's body, it is in a seed-form stage and hence without subtle body. So, your argument does not hold good.
3)As already said before, the rider/s should be more powerful than the Chariot], OBVIOUSLY, IS IT NOT?
. So, how can subtle body of B baba merge when sublte Brahma(rider) is more powerful than Mr Dixit/Chariot?
4)Another point is- if PBKs believe subtle body of Brahma merges when he enters Mr Dixit, then is is as good as Brahma baba acting as just a POINT, just like SS SHIV HIMSELF, on the body of Dixit, you are (unknowingly) giving even higher status (equal to ShivBaba) to Brahma Baba.
[Also- refer to point No. 7 in Flaw No. 117]
all these show that PBKs are caught in their own endless contradictory statements.
The above Murli point is shown to BKs because they say that Shiv comes from Soul World and enters first in the subtle body of Brahma and then both enter Gulzar Dadi. But in case of Shankar it is not so.
5)Very loose argument, as already stated clearly. - viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2009&p=50364&hilit= ... LAA#p50364
, http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... orn#p12446
and at many more places.
You are writing lies. It is already said in the previous post itself that- BKs do not believe Shiv first enters in subtle body and then into body of Gulzar. You ONLY ASSUME SO BY YOUR OWN MISUNDERSTANDING OR PERHAPS BY DELIBERATE ATTEMPT OR IGNORANCE.
BKs believe MOST OF THE TIME, BOTH ARE ALWAYS in COMBINED FORM IN Subtle Region AFTER 1969. And even the Avyakt Murli point says so, [you may try to (mis)interpret Baap to anything, but it does not fit.]. So, Shiv entering into subtle body, and leaving,again entering and leaving, - this question does not arise there. And- moreover- baba has also said- Old Points will not come into use. So, think before taking just isolated Murli points.
I never said so. You have twisted my words as well as my intent and this is what your advocate like mind keeps on doing and complicating things. I said Shiv remembered corporeal Ram (Veerendra Dev Dixit) and you say Ram remembered Shiv before Nov, 1969. So, your question itself is meaningless.
6)OK, l will take these words, now. But, again it goes out of logic, as it would be just ONE WAY. It says- "WE TWO"
. Moreover, it says- jaisay pahley thay, vaise hain= We are together, as had been before.
many times, you take only half of the Murli point and reply. Read the whole sentence
To which EARLIER
period it was said in Murli? I had put clear questions, you even did not try to reply. Left to you whether to reply or not.
# Flaw No. 121)Twisting Nature of PBKs:-
He developed the faith that he will become Copper Age Narayan, but he did not actually become. When he is accepted and revealed in the world then you can say that he has become.
7)So, then why do PBKs call him as Conf Aged Narayan by now it self?
So, are you saying he will become Conf. Aged Narayan in 2018 (am I right?) But, the Murli point says- birth of LN itself in 1976.
Also- discussed here- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2611&p=49613&hilit=1966#p49613
8)BTW, what faith did Sevakram develop about his position in the time cycle?
9)Moreover, to WHOM it was revealed in 1976?
Revelation means, there should be at least few, is it not?
[In case of Om mandli, by the beginning itself everything had come in newspapers
, so even to outside world, a message was already given].
10)You had criticized me when I had written Kamala Devi had entered into AIVV in 1983. Was not that an act of advocate by you? - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=50699&hilit=1983#p50699 My intention/point was right there. Even the PBK who gave me the knowledge, had stressed the year 1983 for Kamala Devi. Now, if ever she had come to gyaan in 1976 itself, it has lesser significance, as you yourself believe she became Jagadamba only in 1983.
as put in flaw no. 118.
11)More twisting of PBKs:-
If you believe Mr Dixit has not become Conf. Aged Narayan now, and is going to become only later, then better PBKs mention the following.
Is Mr Dixit already Conf. Aged Ram now or going to play later? If you know, mention more.
Is Mr Dixit already Conf. Aged Shankar now or going to play later?
Is Mr Dixit already Conf. Aged Krishna now or going to play later?
And- regarding Prajapita as well.
If PBKs cannot mention these, still use these titles for Mr Dixit, and once says- he has not yet become, you can believe it later, and cannot mention the contrast between the roles Prajapita, Ram, Narayan, Krishna and Shankar properly, but use these titles extensively, are they not twisting?
But, again it is your free will to act as you like. Baba and drama.