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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 01 Dec 2016

# Flaw No. 439) Is PBK party - one or two or three groups?:-

1) PBKs on one hand, call themselves as pandavas, and BKs as kouravas, and the worldly people as yaadavas. Not sure what do they call about the later splinter groups like Vishnu Party, etc.

2) But, they usually claim about TWO groups- PBK Rudrmala (PBKs headed by Mr. Dixit) and PBK Vijayamala (the BK group headed by sister Vedanti), each of 2.25 lakh souls- who become perfect by the color of company of the other- who are going to be couples in Golden Age.

3) But, they then also say in advance part- there are three parties- by adding another group- which they call as INSPIRITING PARTY (the BKs who have left bodies). So- the PBK Advance Party now becomes set of three groups - as
---planning party (the PBK RudrMala),
---practical party (PBK Vijayamala), and
---inspiriting party,

----Now- the total number will exceed more than 4.5 lakh souls! - which is a clear error.
Mr Dixit c/o arjun wrote: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=632&p=29087&hilit=engineers#p29087

Disc.CD No.479, dated 02.01.08 at Anantpur

Time: 18.54-24.54
Student: Through how many souls is the foundation for the new world laid? And till when?
Baba: Those who lay the foundation (for the new world) are of three types. When a house is built, there are persons who lay the foundation of the house. Initially there is a house owner. What? There is a house owner, isn’t it? He calls the craftsmen. He calls the Engineers. He says them, “You prepare this blueprint (naksha).” Hum? Yes. “You do this and this work.” And, he calls the labourers as well. So, he inspires everyone with the temptation of wealth, increases their zeal and enthusiasm. Engineer thinks , “Arey! I will get so much money. Let me prepare a good, nice map.” Even the worker says, “Arey, I am going to get so much money.” So, that worker builds a very nice building. And also the labourers think, “Arey, we will never be receiving such good wages as we are receiving here. So, he works with a lot of force.

So, the owner (of the house) who infuses zeal and enthusiasm is different. What? Second are the big engineers and big artisans. They plan and consult each other, “we should do like this; we should do like this. We should build like this.” And the third are those who carry the weight; they carry the bricks, carry the things, carry it down, and carry it above. They do a lot of hard work. So, even here there are three kinds of parties, who build the new world. Which ones? One (Someone said – planning) kind of souls are those which give inspiration to make the Golden Age like new world that will arrive, the heaven that will be made. What? The souls that increase the zeal and enthusiasm.

The Brahmakumar-kumaris who are leaving their bodies, are they not? Will those who are the ones to leave their bodies, become the first owners of the house-like Golden Age or not? Hum? There will be many. Suppose there is a child, a Father’s child; he is the owner (of his Father’s property), is he not? So, those souls are increasing the zeal and enthusiasm by entering as owners now. And the ones in whom those souls are entering, they are planning. They have a sharp intellect. They think, churn, and prepare very nice plans and give. It includes good artisans. Which are those souls? The ones in whom they are entering? They are the souls of the Advance Party. And third are not the ones to increase the zeal and enthusiasm; they are not the ones to prepare the maps and they are not the ones to do the planning either. But the house cannot be built without them. What? (Someone said – Practical party) Hum? So, they are the souls which have a lot of power of purity. Through which power are all the jobs of the world carried out?

(Someone said – through the power of purity) They take place through the power of purity. No task can be accomplished if there is no power of purity. However much you may keep thinking, you may keep using your brains, you may keep preparing the blueprints; nothing is going to happen. Gandhiji and his followers wanted to bring kingdom of Ram (Ramrajya). But they did not have the power of purity. So, what was made instead of Ramrajya? It became a kingdom of Ravan. First, the power of purity is required. So, there is also one such group in the world of Brahmins which has the power of purity. What? They are not intelligent enough to prepare the blueprint of the new world and to tell others. But they are very sharp craftsmen at building the house. So, that is a rosary of victory (Vijaymala). So, did you understand? What was the question? Repeat the question so that everyone can understand.
Student: The foundation of the Golden Age…...
Second student: Through how many souls is the foundation for the new world laid and…...
Baba: Did you understand it now?
Student: Until when?
Baba: So, did you understand? What? Those who lay the foundation for the new world include the souls of the basic party, which are leaving their bodies and, who else? They include the planning party of the Advance Party as well. Now two (groups) have come together. What? Now the third group has not come. And as soon as the third group comes the firm foundation will be laid
....
Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=632&p=47901&hilit=poor+owner#p47901

Will the engineers themselves carry away the entire share? Or will the labourers who build the house take the entire share away? Will the poor house owner get nothing? Who inspires them to build? (Someone said: inspiriting party.)
4) Mr Dixit says-
---the planning party are like engineers,
---the practical part are like physical workers! (so- it again proves that in their view- the Vijayamala group is like cowardice).
----But, for the inspiriting party- he gives the title poor owner!

---So- Mr Dixit once again took second class position by giving the title OWNER to the inspiriting party.
But- he says the owner as poor! Logically it is wrong, as the owner will be most wealthy and in command.

5) Now- if in PBK view- the planning party are like engineers, and the practical party is like physical workers, then Mr. Dixit impies-
---No. of engineers = No. of workers! (usually no. of engineers would be much lesser than that of workers.
----Again - the wives of the engineers are workers! -
- :laugh: Does this tally logically?

6) Now- what is the total no. of inspiriting party?
If PBKs mention that number as lesser, then they are inadvertently implying- the third party is the most superior!
---If they give that number as large, then the PBK theory becomes more illogical, as in they are moving far beyond their number 4.5 lakhs.
----But, since PBKs believe it is the inspiriting party who give zeal and enthusiasm to the planning party, then in PBK view- that number should be at least 2.25 lakh - (Am I right?)
----But, number of children to the 4.5 lakh would be another 4.5 lakh.
So- PBKs may have to give that number as 4.5 lakh, and say- there are two sets of inspiriting party too. Do they say so?
----So- in their view- 2.25 lakh BKs or 4.5 lakh BKs should leave their corporeal body before too late board and ride (and perhaps control???) the planning party and practical party?*

7) Further- regarding one becoming complete from the colour of company-
----In PBK view- the practical party would have much lesser company of the planning party when compared to that of the inspiriting party.
They believe the inspiriting party is almost always combined/resides in the body of the planning party! So- it is like the INSPIRITING PARTY has company of the planning party to the maximum possible extent.

Mr. Dixit himself says- the two groups- planning party and the inspiriting party have come together! But- then it should be the inspiriting party that should get color of the company of the Planing party, and should obviously be ahead of the third/practical party- is it not?


* 8) Further- on WHAT BASIS do PBKs claim- the BK souls who leave their body, will not get corporeal birth, but only PBKs will get? [or, do they say otherwise? ]
As per my knowledge, PBKs say- B Baba or Mama is/are highly pure (in dharna) and hence cannot get birth through ordinary human beings, so will have to wait till Mr Dixit and sister Vedanti become pure and will get birth through them.

But- we can once again see- the PBK theory is just mutual contradictions.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 01 Dec 2016

Flaw No. 440) Lies of another senior PBK soul:-

It is becoming clear that most of the PBKs have absolutely no shame to speak lies. Sita soul had replied- SEvakram left Yagya in 1942 with his group.
sita wrote: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=52139&hilit=group#p52139

We believe he left along with his own group.
2) But, Mr. Dixit himself says - Sevakram had left alone in 1942!
Mr. Dixit c/o arjun wrote: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=632&p=47901&hilit=poor+owner#p47901

वार्तालाप नं 613, दिनांक 11.08.2008, मैसूर
भाग-5

Disc.CD No. 613, dated 11.08. 2008, at Mysore
Part-5

Time: 1.11.50-01.12.40
Student: Baba, in the beginning the Father was on one side and the children were on the other side.
Baba: Not children. One soul was on one side and the entire world was on the other side; it means that those who were in the Yagya also became opponents.
Student: Baba, will that happen now in the end as well?
Baba: It will definitely happen. If it doesn’t happen, how will the rosary be formed? Number one, number two, number three. Will the ranks not be given?
Student: In order to form the rosary...
3) It is very simple to understand why had Mr Dixit says in the end- he alone would be in one side.
Because since he is a liar, he had obviously anticipated his failure, so would be left alone in the end.
His aim is just to defame BKWSU, and hence he knows - nothing of his teachings are going to become true. But, he can misguide PBKs, thereby fulfilling his aim.

---By saying so (that he would be alone in the end), he can protect himself even from the future threat from his own followers when his faults would be clearly evident in future. During that time- if any PBK accuses him, the other gullible PBKs would still be there ready to protect him from others, by saying that- Oh- the rosary is being formed, to get highest number, I should not leave the Father physically- those who leave are doubtful intellects!- :laugh:

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 01 Dec 2016

--PBKs believe Bhog is waste, and mostly they may not be offering Bhog. (Am I right?) So- who is following these directions? or to whom are these directions given?
For the physical food, Baba has said that I do not eat. Remembrance or love is said to be like food for the soul.
Sevakram had left alone in 1942!
No, if you study the advance knowledge you will find that it is said that Ram failed, he left, and his followers followed him. Regarding the failure, you interpret it that he has left ShivBaba, but the saying that Alaf found Allah and Be found the kingdom - we apply it to mean that the first man, Prajapita found Allah. The Supreme Soul entered him, but that was not known at that time. And Be that is the soul of Krishna found the kingdom, that is the family, the Yagya, he got the responsibility to sustain it.

You have correctly grasped the idea about all souls losing faith and one soul being on the one side and all the rest on the other. Practically every soul is unique and different and sooner or later one finds himself on his own. No two souls match, and follow the path of truth to different extent. If one follows to the most extent, compared to him those who will follow less will obviously fail in different points.
6) Now- what is the total no. of inspiriting party?
If PBKs mention that number as lesser, then they are inadvertently implying- the third party is the most superior!
---If they give that number as large, then the PBK theory becomes more illogical, as in they are moving far beyond their number 4.5 lakhs.
----But, since PBKs believe it is the inspiriting party who give zeal and enthusiasm to the planning party, then in PBK view- that number should be at least 2.25 lakh - (Am I right?)
----But, number of children to the 4.5 lakh would be another 4.5 lakh.
So- PBKs may have to give that number as 4.5 lakh, and say- there are two sets of inspiriting party too. Do they say so?
----So- in their view- 2.25 lakh BKs or 4.5 lakh BKs should leave their corporeal body before too late board and ride (and perhaps control???) the planning party and practical party?*
As much service one has done in physical, when one becomes subtle the speed grows, but the proportion remains. Mama and Baba has done most service when they were alive and they are doing most service in subtle now. They have inspired souls even when they were in their bodies.

If you take the example of the 3 types of souls in their form that the Father is the planning party, the mother is the practical party and the child is the inspirational party, it will be right to say that the child comes in second number, because the inheritance is given to the child.

The explanation about the inspirational, planning and practical party is often used as an example of how every task is first performed in subtle. First the thought comes, the initial inspiration comes, then it takes some more practical form, some plan is made and then it is done in practice. Like in the case with a house, fist the owner will say that let a house be built and will give the money, then the map will be drawn and then it will be build practically.
---the planning party are like engineers,
---the practical part are like physical workers! (so- it again proves that in their view- the Vijayamala group is like cowardice).
----But, for the inspiriting party- he gives the title poor owner!

---So- Mr Dixit once again took second class position by giving the title OWNER to the inspiriting party.
But- he says the owner as poor! Logically it is wrong, as the owner will be most wealthy and in command.
Here the word "poor" is not use in the meaning of physically poor. It is used in its meaning like in the sentence....Oh, poor me....or....He was a wealthy man, but the poor one was now standing in the rain with no umbrella.
7) Further- regarding one becoming complete from the colour of company-
----In PBK view- the practical party would have much lesser company of the planning party when compared to that of the inspiriting party.
They believe the inspiriting party is almost always combined/resides in the body of the planning party! So- it is like the INSPIRITING PARTY has company of the planning party to the maximum possible extent.
Mr. Dixit himself says- the two groups- planning party and the inspiriting party have come together! But- then it should be the inspiriting party that should get color of the company of the Planing party, and should obviously be ahead of the third/practical party- is it not?
I think you have misunderstood, because when it is said that the soul becomes pure by the color of the company it is meant that the souls becomes pure in the color of the company of the one ever-pure supreme Father. But it is said that we have to dance the dance of harmonizing our sanskars.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 02 Dec 2016

Flaw No. 441) PBKs inadvertently imply- PBK sisters only could have had murdered PBK Sevakram:-

Unlimited lies of PBKs make them commit more spiritual suicides.
sita wrote:No, if you study the Advanced Knowledge you will find that it is said that Ram failed, he left, and his followers followed him.
1) Read the previous post - (Flaw No. 440) once again before speaking lies (= contradicting with Mr. Dixit). PBK Sita had said- "Sevakram left with his followers". But- the PBK Guru has said- "One soul was on one side, and the entire world was on the other side".

2) If you need to see more lies or contradictions related to this- the PBK Guru has no objection to say- Sevakram had been murdered and certifies it in indirect words.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=632&p=47901&hilit=murdered#p47901
वार्तालाप नं 613, दिनांक 11.08.2008, मैसूर
भाग-5

Time: 01.08.07- 01.09.10
Student: Baba, Sevakram met a sudden death, he was murdered. Even then, he doesn’t take on a subtle body, he is born immediately...
Baba: A warrior fights in a war and leaves his body suddenly; he was beheaded [and] he left his body suddenly. Will he get heaven, hell or will he become a ghost or spirit? (Someone said: Heaven.) He will be born in an elevated place, will he not? Similar is this case. It is about the feelings. At that time, when an explosion took place in the beginning of the Yagya, they (virgins and mothers) ran away [from their homes] then too. He stole butter, he made the gopis to elope – against whom were these allegations leveled? Were they leveled first against Brahma or against the Father?* They were leveled against the Father. So, he truthfully faced them. Will the one who faces truthfully become ghost and spirit, will he be born in hell or will he be born in an elevated place? He is born in an elevated place.

and- viewtopic.php?f=2&t=632&p=48366&hilit=murdered#p48366
3) (As said earlier) But- even this is also just contradiction and lies. Because- the Murli point clearly says- they (whom PBKs quote as the PBK trimurtis) went into stomach of python- (flaw No. 56) .
[Mr. Dixit failed to notice this, and had fallen into his own trap].

*4) The extent of Mr Dixit speaking lies is visible here. Dixit says- "the allegations were leveled not against B Baba, but against him". But- in the news papers, etc, name of Lekhraj had been there, not Sevakram. - :sad:
Regarding the failure, you interpret it that he has left ShivBaba, but the saying that Alaf found Allah and Be found the kingdom - we apply it to mean that the first man, Prajapita found Allah. The Supreme Soul entered him, but that was not known at that time. And Be that is the soul of Krishna found the kingdom, that is the family, the Yagya, he got the responsibility to sustain it.
5) By defending lies- PBKs only prove that they are more foolish. Because Murli point says- "he/they went into stomach of python". Is in PBK view- entering into stomach of python - finding Allah?
5b) Moreover- in PBK view- did Mr Sevakram find Allah only in 1942, not in 1936? - :laugh:
5c) And as soon as he finds Allah, he (should) leaves Yagya (and ShivBaba)! Is this is what the PBK theory is???
- flaw No. 258 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51517&hilit=song#p51517

5d) Further the Murli point says- "Kyon na sabkuch alaf ke haavle kar Baadashaahi leve = Why not sacrifice/surrender everything to ALAF and receive Kingdom"
---But, PBKs say- "SEvakram gave the Kingdom to Lekhraj Kirpalani! did not give anything to (sacrifice anything in the service of) ALAF- :laugh:

5e) But, again- PBKs believe Allah/Shiv was in Yagya only with the PBK sisters and Lekhraj Kirpalani. PBKs believe Allah used to enter in the PBK sisters from 1942 till 1947. So- you are speaking just more and more lies and contradicting with yourself, WITHOUT EVEN REAL-EYEsing what you are ACTUALLY saying???

5f) Since the PBK Guru had said- the entire Yagya had been in control of the two PBK sisters from 1942 till 1947 - (flaw N0. 56 and 57) viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=50371&hilit=entire#p50371.
So- HOW COME you say/imply- the Krishna's soul got responsibility of Yagya in 1942? [It should be in 1947 is it not? - "in PBK view"]
I think you have misunderstood, because when it is said that the soul becomes pure by the color of the company it is meant that the souls becomes pure in the color of the company of the one ever-pure supreme Father. But it is said that we have to dance the dance of harmonizing our sanskars.
6) Just plain white lies and mutual contradiction. The underlined words are now added by the PBK and speaking out of context.
----PBKs believe each (human group of 2.25 lakh souls) become complete by the color of company of the other human group. (not of ever pure SS Shiv )

7) BTW- if you believe it is actually the company of ever pure Supreme Soul- then the first rank goes to DLR - even in PBK view (inadvertently)- because
----In PBK view- Shiv entered Dixit/Sevakram only from 1936 till 1942 , then after 1976 till date. But, they believe Shiv had been in body of DLR from 1947 till 1969 plus at least from 1976 itself- since PBKs believe DLR also would be in body of Dixit at least from 1976 itself.

8) Now- since Mr. Dixit says- the TWO PBK SISTERS used to control entire Yagya including Mama- B Baba, from 1942 till 1947, then IN CASE IF THEY BELIEVE Mr. Sevakram had been murdered, then logically, the perpetrators in Yagya would be the two PBK sisters, only is it not?

9) BTW- there is a Murli point that says- corpse of ShivBaba.

Post No. 85 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... pse#p11852

Mr Dixit could have had used this Murli point to project himself as ShivBaba. And- since PBKs believe all the incidents are of Conf. Age, he might have had to claim/agree- murder of Sevakram in Yagya itself.
Mr. Dixit cannot show this murder as subtle ones, as then he cannot put allegation on others. So- he had to show it as physical one, but, it resulted in his own spiritual suicide.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 03 Dec 2016

1) Read the previous post - (Flaw No. 440) once again before speaking lies (= contradicting with Mr. Dixit). PBK Sita had said- "Sevakram left with his followers". But- the PBK Guru has said- "One soul was on one side, and the entire world was on the other side".
You can trust me on this.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 03 Dec 2016

sita wrote:You can trust me on this.
So- do you mean Mr. Dixit was wrong? Or do you believe arjun soul - who has written is wrong?

Mr. Dixit/PBKs claim that- there had been fight in the beginning in Yagya between two groups. But, if Mr. Dixit says- just one soul (himself) was one side, and the entire yayga was on the other side, then it logically implies- Mr. Dixit is the real odd person or faulty.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 03 Dec 2016

I mean it is said in the advanced knowledge that he left with his group.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 03 Dec 2016

# Flaw No. 442) PBK VCDs contradict HEAVILY with their own advance knowledge course or literature/blogs:-
sita wrote:I mean it is said in the advanced knowledge that he left with his group.
1) Then how come in the PBK clarification VCD, Mr. Dixit says- "just one soul was on one side?"
2) He also relates it to the end period where he again claims he would be alone one side while the rosary is going to be formed?

3) So- do you agree that there are so many contradictions here? Which one is more accurate among - PBK websites and literature or the PBK VCDs?
Since PBKs believe- VCDs are the direct words from their ShivBaba- they will have to give higher importance to it- right?

4) But- direct words of PBK ShivBaba contradict not only with Murli points, but also with their own advance knowledge course or their website/blogs or literature.
So- the so called advance knowledge proves that it is actually nothing but an AMBIGUITY, (neither knowledge, nor NECTAR)- is it not?

The above is again just tip of ice-berg. many such contradictions are there.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 04 Dec 2016

If you take the example of the 3 types of souls in their form that the Father is the planning party, the mother is the practical party and the child is the inspirational party, it will be right to say that the child comes in second number, because the inheritance is given to the child.
1) Again just speaking lies or contradicting. PBKs claim the inspiriting party is the third one only -
[out of not just 2.25 lakh, but out of the 4.5 lakh souls].

2) Moreover- PBKs believe the senior mother is/are Jagadamba - KD plus DLR; sister Vedanti is only smaller mother.
So- the biggest joke is the senior mother KD does not become mother practically (in PBK view) - she goes to the planning party,
the other senior mother (DLR) becomes child!
The junior mother- is yet to be born! - :laugh: still in kourava side- reading false Gita (in PBK view)!

3) Sometimes- PBKs claim PBK Shankar inspires! - so they can only argue in double standard manner.
To whom and how does he inspire- when he himself is being controlled by a ghost and needs inspiration from the so-called inspiration party?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 04 Dec 2016

3) So- do you agree that there are so many contradictions here? Which one is more accurate among - PBK websites and literature or the PBK VCD*?
It is not necessary contradiction. Whatever has happened in the beginning in small form is later repeated in bigger form. Now the PBKs are running away from the BK, still we believe that they will also lose faith in the PBK knowledge.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 04 Dec 2016

# Flaw No. 443) The failure Guru will obviously make his followers as failures!
sita wrote:a) It is not necessary contradiction. Whatever has happened in the beginning** in small form is later repeated in bigger form. Now the PBKs are running away from the BK*, still we believe that b) they will also lose faith in the PBK knowledge.
a = 1) It is a 100% contradiction. Because Dixit says - in the beginning he alone was on one side. And you say- "he left with his group".
[Just of interest- If PBKs claim/believe Mr. SEvakram was murdered, where is the question of leaving with the group.] - :laugh:

b = 2) PBKs may believe so, as Mr. Dixit has said so. But, it cannot repair the contradiction said in 1).

3)The PBK concept of saying- all the children should leave before forming of rosary is illogical one by default itself.
Baba has said- "the pukka devotees will never leave Baba". Flaw No. 438, Murli point No. 07 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=52235&hilit=pukka#p52235

4) BTW- Why does Mr. Dixit says so? One reason is already said earlier in flaw No. 440 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=52238&hilit=liar#p52238

The other reason is- since Mr. Dixit is an obvious failure, he has to say- color=#FF0000]Everyone of his followers will fail![/color]is it not? :laugh: The gullible PBKs do not understand the open secret of the FP of Mr. Dixit.

* - Running away from BK does not mean that every BK will runaway from BKWSU. Baba has clearly said- there would be bhaagantis. It is also a part of the tradition of Conf. Age- Post No. 79 - (at the end) - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... ion#p11517

5) BTW- Lekhraj Kirpalani will never runaway from ShivBaba.
ShivBaba has clearly certified him as always combined.
If PBKs believe every PBK leaves Mr. Dixit (just before forming the rosary)- then the PBK planning party gets the bottom most position than the other parties.

6) Just a question- Do PBKs believe the inspiriting party souls also will leave their corresponding chariots just before forming of the rosary? And- what about practical party? Will they also lose faith in ShivBaba just before forming of the rosary?

** - 7) In PBK view- In the beginning of Yagya, only the PBK group lost faith. BK group did not lose faith. So, if the same is going to repeat in the end- PBKs are inadvertently implying that- the BKgroup will not lose faith.

So- PBKs strongly certify themselves as second class or third class position.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 04 Dec 2016

If PBKs believe every PBK leaves Mr. Dixit (just before forming the rosary)- then the PBK planning party gets the bottom most position than the other parties.
That is fine, because it is said that the insiders will be left out and he outsiders will take it. The insiders who are the Rudramala, become ready first, but are lame and when the Vijaymala outsiders take the knowledge they follow well because the study is of purity.

It is bound for every soul to be eaten by Maya. Baba has said that no one has to develop the ego that Maya cannot eat me, because Maya eats everyone. It is Maya's kingdom, the kingdom of Ravan. In the impure world all are impure. We witness the downfall of every soul in the drama. This downfall of every soul has to be there in the form of shooting in the Confluence Age. Some loose faith more, some less, some degrade more, some less, but all do degrade. After we the Sitas have been abducted by Ravan, we are being saved by Ram. We cannot be saved if we are not abducted first.

Alright you will say that we gain victory over Maya, but that is only after we take the knowledge, after we find God and his practical company and his hand of Shrimat and before finding him how was we? We were without God is that right? There must be some shooting for that in the Confluence Age.

There won't be contradiction if sequence of events is: Ram leaves with his group, his group also leaves him, he is being made to disappear.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 04 Dec 2016

# Flaw No. 444) Was only PBK Ram murdered in 1942, or all of their group?

Not sure what PBKs say. One senior PBK soul tries to manipulate like her/his Guru Mr. Dixit.
sita wrote:There won't be contradiction if sequence of events is: Ram leaves with his group, his group also leaves him, he is being made to disappear.
1) It seems that you are implying (even though not expressing fully) here, that PBK Sevakram had been murdered - right?
2) So, if you believe - Ram first left with his group and then got murdered, then he would have had been murdered by his own group? Are you saying the same?

3) How many would have been in that group (Any guess, like what you have done here)?

4) Then did that group fight among themselves and kill one after the other? (Whether yes, or no- you may guess and give reasons - like what you have done here).

5) Your explanation about failure does not fit rightly. Because Murli point says- "Aadi se anth tak jinkaa record theek hai, vahee pass with honour honge". = Those who have accurate record from the beginning till end, they only get seat in the top 8. "

I am not saying one cannot recover from failure.
But, such souls cannot be eligible for the title pass-with-honour, and for such souls- ShivBaba will not and/or CANNOT certify as - FOLLOW Father.
That too- when Mr. Dixit had been out of Yagya for several decades.
Baba has also said- those who die after leaving gyaan are likely to be attracted towards gyaan in their childhood itself, but it took nearly three decades for him to return, and PBKs believe he was playing role of number one lustful thorn during that period.
So- the way Mr. Sevakram/Dixit has fallen, it proves he cannot be a pass-with-honour soul. More on this put in flaw No. 426 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=52145&hilit=grahan#p52145

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 04 Dec 2016

5) Your explanation about failure does not fit rightly. Because Murli point says- "Aadi se anth tak jinkaa record theek hai, vahee pass with honour honge". = Those who have accurate record from the beginning till end, they only get seat in the top 8. "
In the beginning there was not that much knowledge. But the line of effort of the soul of Ram in this birth is uninterrupted.
he would have had been murdered by his own group?
I would not make such assumption.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 05 Dec 2016

sita wrote:I would not make such assumption.
Are PBKs not interested in knowing the accurate biography of THEIR 'ShivBaba', in corporeal, and sharing the same with others? Or do they consider that this aspect does not form part of the so-called 'unlimited clarifications' of knowledge, and is therefore insignificant?

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