Don't make me a fool, brother, you are wasting my time by referring to things that are not there. Where in the post you have pointed (before flaw 187) have I said that Shiv needs a message for to come? And where have I said it even twice? You are even unable to accept you have misunderstood.6) Refer to your post just before flaw No. 187. You have written "TWICE". Many times you have done this and do not even know what you write. But, that is perfectly right because that is the real thinking of PBKs. They take Murli point only for others, not for self. So, naturally, they will get surprised when the mirror is turned towards them. For them the mirror is one sided and facing only one side. The Murli points which they use to point to others does not apply to them in the same way.
Probably you expect that readers will not follow your links, because you indeed share so many points and links that one is discouraged to follow. What you probably try to achieve is that to leave the impression you support your claims with arguments, but I would encourage any viewer to strictly follow and read all the points you post and all the links you post so that they see by themselves how far you have proved anything.
Does this mean that he has taken responsibility for Mama, like for Brahma Baba, that whatever comes from his mouth it is ShivBaba speaking, even if he speaks wrong I will put it right. In the Murli, praise is sung to many children. It is true, Baba has taken responsibility to uplift all children, and he does to the extent they follow Shrimat, they automatically get uplifted by following Shrimat, Baba is responsible for giving Shrimat. And Mama has strictly followed the Shrimat through Brahma Baba.4)It is implied-
----a)Baba says- follow Father, mother.
----b) Both jagadamba and Jagapita are creators. Both have right to say- become my children -see from mu point No. 04 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... 7b5d#p4075
You pretend to know what the advance knowledge says, then why do you need to ask questions. Please, allow me to know what I say, and to tell you that what you think the advance knowledge says, is wrong. The 1976 is the year of the revelation of the corporeal Father.1)Now- according to Sita soul, Shiv was present in Mr. Dixit from 1969 itself. Not sure how many PBKs certify this.
----Their own Chariot had said- Shiv entered in Mr. Dixit ONLY in 1976 AFTER the maturity period of the womb - refer to flaw No. 170- or here- viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=49083&hilit=womb#p49083.
---So, again contradiction here. But, that is 'perfect', according to 'sita' soul, and perhaps that too comes in extra-ordinary clarification.
Is it according to the PBKs? Is it not the certification given in the Murli that we can know when the Supreme Soul has entered by the knowledge only. It seems you don't hold any value for the Murli either. Maybe because you cannot resolve the conflicting points, you have lost faith in the Murli.2a) Now- they are breaking their own other rules more and more. According to PBKs, the proof* for coming of Shiv is to speak Murli. Did Mr. Dixit speak any Murli in 1969?
No, in 1969 no Murli was spoken, so there is no proof, it is only a suggestion. When the Supreme Soul comes he comes and purifies the world and then goes. When, where and what type of service he does, through whom, we may never be able to know, but once he comes his task goes on.
It is said that the jungle never remains empty. One or another lion is there like a king. As soon as one important personality leaves, another one comes. It is said that we can know afterwards that the Shiv has come. If the soul of the Father has entered the family in 1969, where else the Supreme Soul could be, Bap and Dada are always combined.
Yes, I think the Supreme Soul can reside in some body without narrating knowledge.
Yes, it is possible. Please, not that I have edited the reply to your question 5a, that shiv is there present 24/7/365 still from 1936.2c)Or as now, sita soul has pre-poned the date of entrance in Dixit, could God have been entering into all of their Brahmas from 1947 till 1969 as well? (whenever Shiv was not in body of DLR- as Shiv does not ride Chariot whole day)?