# Flaw No. 165) PBKs INADVERTENTLY imply soul of Mr. Dixit did not play role of Father in 1936
, or the 'shooting' what they speak about, in 1936, has no REAL SIGNIFICANCE
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Roy wrote:It is the understanding of the clarifications of Brahma Baba's visions, given by Father Shiv through Prajapita-Ram, that makes one (Kamla devi) false Gita and the other (Sister Vedanti) true Gita. Although the accurate narration of the visions was given through (Adi Brahma i.e. Kamla devi soul's body), by Father Shiv... the understanding of the clarifications is different. I believe Sita (i.e. Sister Vedanti's soul) had a clearer understanding and was trusted by Brahma Baba Krishna, when she relayed the clarifications to him via her womb-like intellect. The Confluence Age shooting here in 1936, resulting in the broad drama event of the Golden Age, in 2036, when Sita (aka Confluence Age Lakshmi), gives practical birth to Krishna and then Radha, the first two leaves of The Tree.
The false relates to the level of understanding and affiliation... The Knowledge given through her by Father Shiv was not false, and this is why she becomes the first Brahma and makes Prajapita, the first Brahmin.
Not at all! Father Shiv speaks through Veerendra Dev Dixit ji aka Ram, and he churns on The Knowledge himself... he never takes another's opinion. What Prajapita-Ram(Veerendra Dev Dixit ji's soul) heard in 1936, came straight from Father Shiv... there was no mixing done by Kamla Devi's soul in this.
1)PBKs believe in 1936, ShivBaba gave clarifications through Kamala Devi, and it was first understood properly by Mr Dixit. Next level of understanding was sister Vedanti, while the level of understanding of Kamala Devi was even lesser. Not sure what level they place for DLR. They may be placing him at the fourth level. [They may correct, accordingly].
2)PBKs also say "the Murlis narrated through DLR till 1969 were just like poetry, no real clarification was there. So, God did not play role of Father, Teacher, Guru through him, but played just role of Mother".
3) Now- from 1947 till 1969, (in PBK view), it was just role of Mother (no clarification of knowledge). IN THAT CASE, HOW COME IT WAS ROLE OF Father FROM 1936 TILL 1942? Obviously, MORE KNOWLEDGE WOULD BE AT LATER DATE, IS IT NOT? So, if the later role was just of mother (inferior), how come the initial role can be of Father(superior)? So- PBKs inadvertently IMPLY- either no clarification was given to DLR by other personalities, or it was ineffective - "in their own view".
4) Again- in their own view,
it was Mr Dixit who FIRST lost
faith and left Yagya. So, was his level of understanding SUPERIOR or INFERIOR AMONG THE FOUR? Did the intellect of the so-called 'most powerful' soul fail, before even all the other 'cowardice' souls?
5)Baba also says- "Rachtaa kabhee bhee rachnaa se prabhaavith naheen ho saktaa = Creator can NEVER be influenced by his creation.
" But, in their own view
- the(ir) 'creator' got easily influenced by his own creation, Child Krishna, and had clashes with him,
and left the Yagya in 1942, instead of taking proper control of the Yagya for the benefit of the children. And- the same 'creator' even in the next birth, after 1976, is being influenced by the same 'creation', what they presently call as "Bull riding over Shankar".
6)BTW, when it was asked -
mbbhat wrote:And- Sister Vedanti was mother even to Mr Dixit, during 1969 when he came to Gyan. So, Sister Vedanti should be 'mother' of Mr Dixit too, is it not?
Roy replied:- I don't think so... She could not convince him about The Knowledge, and it was only through his own churnings that he finally became fully enlightened, in 1976. However, she was the one who had the purity of conviction to allow him to take Murlis away and read them... the other BKs did not want to do this.
Then how can PBKs say- "Kamala Devi/Adi_Brahma was mother of Dixit/Sevakram?" Was it Kamala Devi who convinced him during 1936?
As per PBKs, Mr Dixit/Sevakram understood it by himself in 1936. Even Kamala Devi did not understand properly.
But, in the latter case of 1969, even if sister Vedanti was instrumental to give him Murlis (knowledge)- did not mix up anything from her side, PBKs do not agree sister Vedanti to be his mother.
So by their very own CORRUPTED & DISTORTED LINE of NONSENSICAL ARGUMENT or UNDERSTANDING
, since -KDD did not have the understanding or comprehension of the clarifications of knowledge, she could not have taken REAL spiritual birth directly from Shiva, hence she cannot be considered to be first REAL Brahma, but FALSE 'Brahma'
, through whose FALSE mouth the knowledge was conveyed to -Virendra Dev Dixit, to become the FALSE 'Prajapita'
, and due to this FALSEHOOD
, the CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED intellect of -Virendra Dev Dixit, proceeded to FURTHER CORRUPT & ADULTERATE that knowledge, to be in accordance with the PERVERTED & DISTORTED CONCEPTS of 'Tamopradhan Bhakti', and propagate same to the CORRUPTED INTELLECTS of the BLIND FOLLOWERS, the PBKs, who, due to their inherent body-consciousness and RANK ARROGANCE
and ABJECT BLINDNESS
, would obviously maintain that such CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED knowledge originated from REAL ShivBaba, when in fact, it ACTUALLY originated from APPARENT 'ShivBaba' or Ravan
, in order to carry out the 'shooting' of Ravan Rajya!
7)So, to WHOM or WHAT do PBKs give value?:-
---Sometimes they say- "title goes to body/Chariot"
---sometimes say- "it is the understanding ability that matters"
---sometimes say- "convincing capacity matters"
---sometimes say- "purity matters",
---sometimes say "a male body cannot play role of mother"
---sometimes say a male body can play role of mother perfectly!
---sometimes say- "this argument GOES AGAINST ALL LOGIC, IMO"
, etc, etc.
Roy wrote:It is the understanding of the clarifications of Brahma Baba's visions, given by Father Shiv through Prajapita-Ram, that makes one (Kamla devi) false Gita and the other (Sister Vedanti) true Gita.
1. The fact that Shiva FIRST gave the VISIONS to Brahma Baba DIRECTLY, in the Conf Age
, should make him the FIRST Brahma, EVEN if he did not comprehend the correct significance of those VISIONS of Conf Age, at that SPECIFIC point of time - IN CONTRAST to the INDIRECT 'Visions' received by souls during Copper Age and Iron Age???
2. The PBKs DELUSIVELY ASSUME that the CORRUPTED understanding of those visions by their bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, were given by REAL ShivBaba or God, COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS of the FACT that it is ACTUALLY APPARENT 'ShivBaba' or Ravan who does so???
3. As a consequence of above, -KDD becomes FALSE Gita or FALSE 'Jagadamba', while -Virendra Dev Dixit becomes APPARENT or FALSE 'Prajapita Brahma' or FALSE Confluence Age 'Krishna' / 'Narayan', and therefore Sr V would become FALSE Confluence Age 'Radha' / 'Lakshmi'???
Roy wrote:The false relates to the level of understanding and affiliation... The Knowledge given through her by Father Shiv was not false, and this is why she becomes the first Brahma and makes Prajapita, the first Brahmin.
1. 'The 'FALSE' relates to the level of understanding and affiliation - THIS IS CORRECT.
2. No knowledge was given by Shiva through -KDD. Her part was the part of 'Bhakti' or 'SUN-NA aur SUNANA', i.e. HEAR and NARRATE
(without proper comprehension), hence she is considered as FALSE Gita by the PBKs.
She DID NOT hear from Shiva, but from Brahma Baba, who they believe narrated his visions to her, after which she merely narrated (REPEATED) them to -Virendra Dev Dixit. So Brahma Baba should be FIRST FALSE 'Brahma', and -KDD should be SECOND FALSE 'Brahma' - ACCORDING to PBK viewpoint???
3. When -Virendra Dev Dixit listens to such HEARSAY through TWO 'FALSEHOODS', (according to their OWN understanding), Ravan or Maya would IMMEDIATELY STEP IN and make him churn these aspects BASED on the PERVERTED & DISTORTED CONCEPTS of 'Tamopradhan Bhakti', since soul of -Virendra Dev Dixit should be the MOST IMPURE at that time - so how can any IDIOT expect him to churn in a PURE MANNER??? When he is considered to play the part of 'Tamopradhan Gyan' or DEGRADED knowledge of Ravan Rajya, i.e. 'SAMAJNA aur SAMJANA' or UNDERSTAND and EXPLAIN
, he is ACTUALLY carrying out the 'shooting' of Ravan Rajya, and NOT RamRajya
, at that time - under the ACTIVE influence of APPARENT 'ShivBaba' or Ravan, and NOT REAL ShivBaba or God???
4. As explained in point nr 2 above, Brahma Baba should have been the FIRST (FALSE) 'Brahma', in which case -KDD would be the FIRST (FALSE) 'Brahmin', and consequently -Virendra Dev Dixit would be the SECOND (FALSE) 'Brahmin'; or APPARENT or FALSE 'Prajapita' also???
5. -KDD should be the 'child' of BB, since -Virendra Dev Dixit is the 'child' of -KDD. Also, PBKs believe -KDD does not have a corporeal spiritual mother, since she herself is 'Jagadamba', while her corporeal spiritual father would be -Virendra Dev Dixit, who does not have a corporeal spiritual father, since he himself is 'Jagatpita', according to them. So, one is motherless and the other is fatherless, i.e. BOTH ARE HALF-ORPHANS (spiritually speaking)???
Roy wrote:Not at all! Father Shiv speaks through Veerendra Dev Dixit ji aka Ram, and he churns on The Knowledge himself... he never takes another's opinion. What Prajapita-Ram(Veerendra Dev Dixit ji's soul) heard in 1936, came straight from Father Shiv... there was no mixing done by Kamla Devi's soul in this.
1. As already indicated above, what -Virendra Dev Dixit INITIALLY HEARD (HEARSAY through a FALSE Gita), was narrated to him by -KDD, which was told to her by BB (ALL HEARSAY, based on FALSE APPRECIATION by BB & NIL COMPREHENSION by -KDD)???
2. Therefore, it becomes clear that it is Ravan or Maya, (whom they DELUSIVELY BELIEVE to be REAL ShivBaba or God), who would speak through -Virendra Dev Dixit???
3. And furthermore, how does ANY IDIOT expect the MOST IMPURE SOUL, -Virendra Dev Dixit, to churn by himself, in a STATE of UTTER IMPURITY, with HIS MOST DEGRADED INTELLECT; and what can anyone expect to come out of such a DEGRADED INTELLECT, OTHER THAN the PERVERTED & DISTORTED CONCEPTS of 'Tamopradhan Bhakti', PARTICULARLY when he churns HIMSELF
, at that SPECIFIC POINT OF TIME
4. And what about the FINAL STAGE of 'BAN-NA aur BANANA' or INCULCATE and ENABLE INCULCATION - has any PBK, or for that matter -KDD or even -Virendra Dev Dixit come anywhere near this stage AT ALL??? (Whereas, REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR has ALREADY BECOME COMPLETE Avyakt FARISHTA, WAY BACK in 1969 ITSELF, and is ENABLING others to do the same)!
So, the TWISTING or DOUBLE STANDARDS of PBKs is AMPLY visible here.
Without understanding the right concepts, PBKs misunderstand, misinterpret and misuse the Murli points RECKLESSLY
, ad infinitum!