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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 09 Mar 2016

I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM IF PBKs LIKE TO CALL B Baba AS GHOST. BY THAT, THE REAL STATUS OF B Baba WILL NOT CHANGE AT ALL, AS BKs NEVER BELIEVE B Baba ENTERS DIXIT. By implying B Baba to be a ghost, it is PBKs who are going to lose value and become REAL LIVING EMBODIED 'GHOSTS' THEMSELVES, WITHOUT EVEN REAL-EYEsing SAME, as already said earlier.
Even 'sita' soul had said in similar way- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51070&hilit=moment#p51070
The matter was that the Supreme Soul does not come in the Subtle Brahma. But I agree that there are impure souls and pure souls in subtle bodies.
This is already said earlier - that pure things are NOTHING FOR PBKs. FOR THEM. - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51025&hilit=destruction#p51025
You have nicely explained how remembrance has to be. In the PBK, as far as I understand it also, it is not said that we should ALWAYS remember the body. No, it is said that all the images, even the Trimurti will vanish and only the remembrance of point of light will remain.

The matter about pure and impure, and the Supreme Soul being in the body, is that EVER-PURE one is proved only through his task of purifying the impure ones, by practically providing the colour of his company through a corporeal body. For this he needs to be practically present in a corporeal body.

To remember Paramdham or Sukhdam, as pure things, is impractical, because these things are not practically present there now. To remember them is like day-dreaming. Now, in this world, the Supreme Father has come, so in this impure world, where everyone and everything is impure, there is also one thing that is pure, that we have to remember. We remember the soul, please, note this.

But for the BKs, they think they are pure Brahmins, they have the ego that because they used to play in the lap of Brahma Baba they are great. BKs also consider Dadis to be pure, so they keep their photos. It is not wrong to remember them, pure things are remembered. Everyone who sits on the gaddhi is also pure, so able to give pure drishti.

I am still not happy that mbbhat is deliberatey twisting the pbk points of view, so that he can make his negative propaganda.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 09 Mar 2016

# Flaw No. 162) PBKs inadvertently imply- their aim is NOT to progress at all! STAY WHERE THEY ARE - Like still water
sita wrote:To remember Paramdham or Sukhdham, as pure things, is impractical, because these things are not practically present there now. To remember them is like day-dreaming.
1)Is this not a clear, malicious twisting or even speaking lies? Paramdham is an eternal world, always exists, and never changes. This is what BKs believe and EXPERIENCE progressively - and mostly even some PBKs must also be doing so. Or do PBKs believe ACTUAL Paramdham does not exist at all, where Supreme Soul Shiva LIVES MOST OF THE PERIOD in the Kalpa? So, how can remembering that which is REAL, with the sole purpose of INCREASING the awareness of same, which was lost owing to having come into body-consciousness, be called as 'day-dreaming'? And when the devotees in the outer world delusively believe that God resides in their bodily guru, when ACTUALLY there is no God in their bodily guru, what type of 'DREAMING' would you call that? And where does the 'shooting' of this type of 'Dreaming' take place in the Conf Age, according to you - if NOT through the bodily guru of the PBKs, viz., -Virendra Dev Dixit???

2)Why do PBKs think of or give knowledge of 5000 years to others? They should not think of the full knowledge of the FULL PERIOD at all. Because practically, now, we have only one body. So, why think or discuss about past 83 births, which do not exist now - would not this also be considered to be 'day-dreaming', according to your understanding?

Also- why do PBKs think of Sevakram, so called Radha bachchi, etc., who do not exist now? They do not have that body or name now. Those names and forms have vanished - so why 'day-dream' about them, according to your understanding?

Even sister Vedanti is not in AIVV. So why discuss about that? ... [Baba clearly says- think of your goal, think of your aadi and anaadi stages, be trikaaladarshi, etc.]
But for the BKs, they think they are pure Brahmins,
You are twisting. BKs believe they are the most impure, and have to become pure through ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONE ShivBaba ALONE. But, yes, when compared to lowkik people, they are in the process of becoming more pure. But, they also believe they have burden of karma of 63 births, which is more than lowkik people.
they have the ego that because they used to play in the lap of Brahma Baba they are great.
Again twisting. There are only a very few aadi ratans present in BKWSU. BKs also know that of the 400, just 70 to 80 survived. And, the Dadis are one among the few. So, definitely special. Baba has also said- there is need to have regard of others- especially serviceable children. Baba has kept regard even for the ones who later became bhaagantis- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... gard#p4065

Avyakt Murlis speak lots of praises about Dadis too. But, also has clearly said- except the first two seats, other seats are still vacant. Some may get more affected by Dadis, it is natural. And- we know Kingdom is going to be established, not just Kings & Queens. So, it is natural and accurate. Baba has already said about ego of knowledge - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... =25&t=1410 So- everyone will have it numberwise.

Do you think PBKs do not have ego of knowledge? They stick to few isolated Murli points, twist them, mis interpret them.
BKs also consider Dadis to be pure, so they keep their photos. It is not wrong to remember them, pure things are remembered. Everyone who sits on the gaddhi is also pure, so able to give pure drishti.
Not clear about what is written. Twisting is again seen here. Who has said pure ones only can give drushti? Of course, there is a Murli point which says- "those who sit on guddi should have good dharna". But, Baba has also said- "Some children say- we need good braahmani (sister incharge). But, from where can I bring good braahmani? " So- it is clear that everyone is number-wise. No sensible BKs believe all sister-in-charges are pure. All believe everyone is number-wise. Those BKs who believe such nonsense are obviously the ones who get attracted to the CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED REVERSED advanced knowledge propagated through the bodily guru of the PBKs, -Virendra Dev Dixit, and become PBKs, and continue to propagate such nonsense there!
I am still not happy that mbbhat is deliberately twisting the PBK points of view, so that he can make his negative propaganda.
Sorry, I do not feel so. It is Mr Dixit and PBKs who have twisted EVERY Murli point, and continue with their malicious propaganda day in and day out. Lots of examples are clearly shown on this forum. See one here - flaw No. 47 or 101- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=50808&hilit=ajmer#p50808. We can see here twisting to the extent of FULLY 180 degrees.
It is good that you have expressed your views about mbbhat's comments or posts. Let readers think about that too, and decide for themselves. Everyone gets the fruit of his/her own karma.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by Roy » 09 Mar 2016

mbbhat wrote:# Flaw No. 160) Just double standards and futile arguments, as can be expected from the PBKs and their bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, AS USUAL, NOTHING NEW!
Roy wrote:
Prajapita aka Ram's soul has many mothers and fathers throughout the drama...
1)Then why do PBKs quote the Murli point, now and then, which says- "Even Brahma has a Father" - and endeavour to TREACHEROUSLY infer it refers to their FALSE 'Prajapita' of an embodied human soul (even when it CLEARLY REFERS to INCORPOREAL Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba or God)?
Imo, it is to demonstrate that Brahma Baba Krishna is not Jagatpita/Prajapita, who in the Confluence Age has no corporeal Spiritual Father. He is the Great great grandfather, not Brahma Baba.
2)Sometimes Baba speaks approximately - Examples- here- viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2012 and here- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... eek#p11851

Even the soul of a DoG can spend the FULL 5000 years of the drama in a corporeal body of a DoG, including the FULL period of the Conf Age. So would that imply that the soul of the DoG is the 'TRUE' 'Prajapita'???
The FACT is that all DoGs would OBVIOUSLY CONSIDER such a DoG to be THEIR 'True Prajapita', since a DoG can ONLY relate to a DoG, and owing to their CORRUPTED & INVERTED INTELLECTS, they can also consider that THEIR DoG, whom THEY BELIEVE to be the 'True Pajapita', is the 'TRUE PRAJAPITA' of the WHOLE of CREATION, including TRUE & RIGHTEOUS HUMAN BEINGS, and ALL OTHER 'SPECIES', on the face of the earth!
So, in this CONTEXT, NO ONE can CONTEST the STANCE adopted by such DoGs, and they should be left ALONE to ENJOY THEIR WORLD in 'PEACE', until the APPOINTED HOUR!
This arugment goes against all logic imo. The more powerful a soul is i.e. the more powerful his soul consciousness and spiritual battery are at the end, the longer he stays in the drama to play the complete 84 births, of 5000 years, not a day less in corporeal form. The one who is the allround soul is the most powerful... Brahma Baba Krishna although a great soul, is not the most powerful... So far he has forfeited about 47 years of corporeal life, so cannot be called the allround soul, with no beginning or end, in the drama.
The INVERTED INTELLECTS of the PBKs and their bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, CANNOT EVEN APPRECIATE the SIMPLE FACT, that at NO TIME in Ravan Rajya or the Night of the Cycle, can there be any SINGLE INCIDENT when the HeadMaster or the Principal of a School or College can be ON LEAVE or ABSENT for a period of MORE THAN 20 Years, and can STILL be CONSIDERED to be the PERMANENT HeadMaster or Principal of that School or College. Only the CORRUPTED & INVERTED INTELLECTS of the PBKs can assimilate such EVIDENT 'GARBAGE', and continue to propagate such UTTER 'GIBBERISH', initiated by their bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit. Even if their bodily guru has been in a corporeal body throughout the Cycle, they TOTALLY FAIL to Re-Cognize or APPRECIATE, that if he has FAILED to be the 'Chariot' of God even for ONE SINGLE DAY, (LEAVE ALONE MORE THAN 20 Years), he cannot be considered to be the PERMANENT 'Chariot' of God, in the Conf Age! THIS SINGLE POINT IS ENOUGH TO CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THE UTTER STUPIDITY OF -Virendra Dev Dixit AND THE BLIND FOLLOWERS, PBKs - WHO ARE INADVERTENTLY 'CERTIFYING', THEMSELVES, THAT THEY HAVE COMPLETELY DEGRADED INTELLECTS!
Nice rant , but it's only your opinion!... Again, we shall learn the truth in a few short years when revelation takes place.
3)Moreover, there is no proof that Mr Dixit has remained/would remain in corporeal world(CW) throughout the 5000 yrs. OK, even if we believe it, it again loses value. Because even such a soul depends or has some other corporeal personality as mother (that too, one who is FALSE Gita)? Drama and the title 'ANAADI' would look INAPPROPRIATE. Obviously ONLY FALSE or APPARENT 'ShivBaba', or Ravan can initiate such FALSE 'Gita' through their FALSE 'personified' or 'living' Gita, to give 'birth' to FALSE 'Prajapita Brahma' or FALSE 'Shankar'; and OBVIOUSLY Ravan or APPARENT 'ShivBaba' is not going to declare his TRUE identity, since Ravan has to ESSENTIALLY play the role of the 'Godly FORM' or 'ISHWARIYA RUP' of Maya, PERFECTLY, AS PER DRAMA PLAN - NOTHING NEW AT ALL!
We shall see!
4)Still if we agree with PBKs, sister Vedanti also would be in CW for the whole 5000 yrs, is it not? -"in PBK view". But, Murli point says anaadi only to Prajapita. And- if PBKs believe sister Vedanti would not remain in CW for the whole 5000 yrs, it again looks inappropriate, as there would not be a mate for Mr Dixit.
Sister Vedanti will take 84 births, but she may be slightly shorter in the drama cycle than Prajapita, even by a day perhaps, and thus she cannot be called anaadi according to the Murli.
6) See here- and the next couple of posts. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2552&p=50512&hilit=unlimited#p50512
There are both confusion as well as illogical things. PBKs have shown more than two unlimited mothers - mostly while trying to do juggling exercises. What I have taken from there is- "If true Jagadamba is Kamala Devi (in PBK view), then the two unlimited mothers should be Kamala Devi and B baba (who is believed to enter in her)", and PBKs usually call even B baba as Big Mother and usually say to PBKs- we have both mother and Father in AIVV, and clearly say- Shiv played role of Mother through DLR.
PBKs may also say in future that DLR is also just title-holder Jagadamba, like he was just title-holder Prajapita. [You may correct, as you like, and give your comment
Lekhraj Kirpalani is Jagadamba, but he was in a male costume, so he has to play this role at the end through Kamala Devi, and the title goes to the body.
9)Any greatness in soul of Prajapita - "their own view" who was out of Yagya and was in Kumbhkarna sleep playing role of thorn while ShivBaba was delivering nectar of knowledge to his beloved children? - viewtopic.php?
The part of mother and the establishment of the Brahmin Religion was taking place at this time... Prajapita-Ram returns to create the Deity religion and Heaven, when Father Shiv makes this possible, by clarifying His Murli narrations through him. Until the knowledge is understood it cannot be termed nectar, and before 1976, no-one understood the deeper meanings in the Murli, and so no-one is going to have their boat/body taken across until they do. This is the part of Father Ram, the Satguru. This is why Brahma Baba himself is yet to become Vishnu, as his studies are not yet complete.
10)PBKs believe when B baba becomes complete, the Conf Age would be over, he will leave body of Shankar, and new era will begin. Are PBKs going to say- B baba will leave his subtle body and enter Kamala Devi as just a 'point of light', and then play part of Jagadamba? And- after one reaches perfection, it would be revelation- ('TOO LATE' BOARD). Are they going to play role of Jagadambas, in practical, only after the 'too late' board?
No the Confluence Age will not be over at Revelation, there will be many years of Vishnupuri before final destruction, and then the practical Golden Age begins(2036/7). Several Murli points confirm that the Confluence Age is exactly 100 years in duration, and so will last until, 2036/7.
Whatever it is- in PBK view, one of their greatest personalities - Gitamata would be a false Gita until almost end, and will not be able to realize or accept God or his role. Even B Baba, or sister Vedanti ARE YET TO REALIZE that Mr. Dixit is the true Chariot, and will realize and accept it only in almost end. Then after that will it not take at least few years for them to put PRACTICAL/RIGHT EFFORT AND BECOME COMPLETE?
Not so imo, they will both be close to completeness on finally openly accepting Ram ShivBaba as God in corporeal form. Sister Vedanti will easily assimilate the Advanced Knowledge once she accepts Ram ShivBaba, due to her purity... and Kamala Devi has not been able to get Virendra Dev Dixit ji(Ram) out of her mind, and so has been in remembrance of his part all of this time... She too will be close to her highest point when she returns to Baba. Vishnupuri will remain in the Confluence Age for many years, so that other souls can become complete and enter this pure abode before the end, in 2036/7.
ON THE OTHER HAND, in PBK view- Mr Dixit and PBKs have ALREADY understood that the real Chariot is Mr Dixit, and still the top most soul, Mr. Dixit, has not become complete AS YET. He is still under control of the Bull/Ghost, and all of them ARE STILL waiting for the 'FALSE GITAS' to return. Their effort or FUTURE, FULLY DEPENDS ON THESE FALSE/WEAK PERSONALITIES. ALSO, all these - the so called realized or advanced knowledge party souls or practical PBKs - who believe they have realized the role of Chariot MUCH EARLIER than these personalities - (false Gita, or true Gita who is considered as 'cowardice') and ghost, STILL CONSIDER them to be their UNLIMITED MOTHERS! This is EQUIVALENT to implying that the body-conscious embodied souls FULLY Re-Cognize God ALREADY, WHILE INCORPOREAL God DOES NOT Re-Cognize Himself, AS YET!!! What a TRAGIC philosophy indeed. Let them SAVOUR it and enjoy to their FULLEST satisfaction, WHILE THE CAN - WHY NOT? CARRY ON CLEO!
It could be construed by this statement, that the writer has a superiority complex (and knowledge of British 60/70s bawdy comedy :D ), by calling these souls weak. He obviously feels himself to be complete in knowledge at this point and totally soul conscious. No soul is complete yet, and thus has human frailties to contend with... But it appears to me that the writer thinks he hasn't!

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by Roy » 09 Mar 2016

mbbhat wrote:Flaw No. 161)One more Simple example, to adequately demonstrate the LLU of PBKs, and their bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit
Roy wrote:
is not a soul in a subtle body a ghost??? Then please tell me, what is a ghost?
Corporeal Body can be both impure (that of Kaliyugi humans) and pure (that of deities). Similarly, subtle body can be both (BLACK-IMPURE)GHOST or (WHITE-PURE)ANGEL. Simple open secret. [Or, are PBKs going to say- even in heaven - all the bodies are born through vice/lust?]
But, PBKs cannot COMPREHEND this SIMPLE TRUTH owing to their INVERTED INTELLECTS, and they SHOULD NOT BE EXPECTED TO COMPREHEND SAME, AS LONG AS THEIR INTELLECTS REMAIN INVERTED, UNDER THE ACTIVE INFLUENCE OF THEIR BODILY GURU, -Virendra Dev Dixit. Because jaisee drushti, vaisee srushti. = 'AS IS THE VISION, SO IS THE WORLD'
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM IF PBKs LIKE TO CALL B BABA AS GHOST. BY THAT, THE REAL STATUS OF B BABA WILL NOT CHANGE AT ALL, AS BKs NEVER BELIEVE so, nor believe B BABA ENTERS DIXIT.
By implying B baba to be a ghost, it is PBKs who are going to lose value and become REAL LIVING EMBODIED 'GHOSTS' THEMSELVES, WITHOUT EVEN REAL-EYEsing SAME, as already said earlier.
Even 'sita' soul had said in similar way- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51070&hilit=moment#p51070
This is already said earlier - that pure things are NOTHING FOR PBKs. FOR THEM. - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51025&hilit=destruction#p51025
This is another evidence showing their immediate negative and false similar reaction. So their vehicle/boat is in REVERSE gear. But, let them believe it, as they like.
But, since most of them follow physical purity, this has to be appreciated. So, they are also 'brahmins', although FALSE 'Brahmins'. We need to respect them at least in that perspective; and of course, in drama, we have to respect EVERYONE, including the DoG of Ravan or Maya. Wish them all the best, once again.
I don't see calling Lekhraj Kirpalani a ghost as a slur on his character... It just means he is a human soul, presently without a corporeal body, who has yet to become complete (Brahma so Vishnu). But he will do so shortly and play another important role of being a key player in establishing heaven on earth, and then sustaining it in the form of Vishnu, in Vishnu puri, until 2036/7. Then he becomes the first leaf/shoot of the World Tree in the Golden Age. Not too shabby in my opinion!

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 09 Mar 2016

# Flaw No. 163) PBK concept of "TITLE HOLDER" fails in "their own DISTORTED view"
Roy wrote:Lekhraj Kirpalani is Jagadamba, but he was in a male costume, so he has to play this role at the end through Kamala Devi, and the title goes to the body.
1)If according to PBKs, title goes to the body, then the concept of title-holder fails MISERABLY, as per PBKs' own view. Thus PBKs are inadvertently certifying- DLR as REAL Prajapita- at least from 1947 to 1969 (not just title-holder Prajapita, since title has to go to him). So, number of Prajapitas would become TWO now. As B baba had MALE COSTUME, obviously he becomes FULLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE TITLE Father - "in their own view" * And- their saying God played role of mother in DLR from 1942 till 1969- fails again - as per "their own view" (because B Baba had male costume, is it not?)

2)If PBKs believe DLR enters Dadi Gulzar(DG), then they are also inadvertently certifying Dadi Gulzar as a Jagadamba (as the title goes to the body). So, "in their own view", unlimited mothers - would NOW become 5 instead of 4.

3)As, the title goes to the body, even Mr Dixit would get title Jagadamba- as PBKs believe soul of DLR enters in Dixit too, and plays role of mother too, there. (at least as Ardh naareershwar). So, number of Jagadambas or unlimited mothers would NOW become 6. (in PBK view)** -

4)PBKs also say- soul of DLR plays role of CHILD, as well as GHOST in Dixit. Now, as the title goes to the body, obviously, Mr Dixit INADVERTENTLY certifies himself as CHILD, as well as GHOST.

5)PBKs believe soul of DLR creates even eclipse on Kamala Devi, either sitting in her body or in body of Dixit. Now, even these titles would go to Dixit or her; and since PBKs believe DLR enters in her too, so, both Prajapita and Jagadamba are also ghosts and 'child'. - in PBK view

6)But, the twisting nature of PBKs may make them to say or argue something like- - "No, in body of DG or in Dixit, B baba does not play role of Jagadamba, etc." there are several hundreds of such examples, which show nothing but TWISTING or DOUBLE STANDARD nature of Mr Dixit or PBKs. But, they are obviously BLIND to these anomalies and hence question of admitting their own faults does not arise?

7) They believe Supreme Soul Shiva entered in DLR and played role of just mother. But, no Murli point says so. Murli points clearly say- "I have come and am playing role of Father, teacher and sadguru", and 'maatpita', etc. But, PBKs do not take it the way it is, and like to again take half-baked knowledge to just TWIST the meaning to suit their philosophy.
This is the part of Father Ram, the Satguru. This is why Brahma Baba himself is yet to become Vishnu, as his studies are not yet complete.
8)Both subtle Brahma and Vishnu are complete forms. So, it is just again a twisting nature of PBKs. A Murli point clearly says- "Your results would be announced together(to the world) (in the end)". Even if B baba had become complete, it will not be revealed to the world, until the children become complete, when they can appreciate this fact. So- B baba would remain behind the curtain. Lots of Avyakt Murli points clearly say B baba is complete, but this CANNOT be appreciated by orphan children who are 'maha-murkh', like -Virendra Dev Dixit and the PBKs.
No the Confluence Age will not be over at Revelation, there will be many years of Vishnupuri before final destruction, and then the practical Golden Age begins(2036/7). Several Murli points confirm that the Confluence Age is exactly 100 years in duration, and so will last until, 2036/7.
9)Mostly PBKs believe revelation would be in 2018, when Dixit's body (and other PBKs' number-wise) gets transformed into Kanchan kaya- right? According to my knowledge, heard from a PBK that as soon as the body gets transformed (during that time Mr Dixit will fly to physical eternal Paramdham, just for a second and return), the knowledge in Mr Dixit merges. He will no longer have knowledge then. If yes, then how can he play role of Prajapita there? And- other souls as Jagadamba, etc? Also- you may say- is there role of Prajapita even after 2018? Is it the role of Prajapita, or Vishnu, or Shankar?

10)EVEN THOUGH MANY TIMES IT IS ASKED to PBKs- FROM WHICH YEAR TO WHICH YEAR- MR DIXIT AND THE OTHER PBK PERSONALITIES PLAY ROLE OF PRAJAPITA, Shankar, Vishnu, Krishna, ETC- NO PBK HAS EVER ATTEMPTED TO REPLY. THEIR ABILITY IS JUST TO POINT FINGERS AT OTHERS, THAT TOO IN A TWISTING MANNER or WITH DOUBLE STANDARDS- BRAHMA BABA HAS NOT BECOME Vishnu- HENCE INCOMPLETE, etc, etc. But, PBKs believe Dixit is Narayan from 1976 itself, even if he is NOT COMPLETE.
PBKs may also explain- How B Baba and Kamala Devi- both the souls play role of Jagadamba, after revelation. Also- even Om Radhe and sister Vedanti playing their roles of Jagadamba. How after revelation, roles of FOUR Jagadambas and ONE Prajapita continues for how many years to the whole world- and how they give property or sustenance to the WHOLE world.

* - No Murli point says about title-holder concept. It is just a PBK propaganda. By the title-holder concept, PBKs are not only demonstrating their twisting nature, BUT ALSO defaming GOD Himself, unknowingly, as they are DILUTING the ROLE OF THE WORLD ALMIGHTY AUTHORITY as well as God's own Chariot.
Moreover- once DLR attains title Prajapita- he is not going to lose it, as he was not a 'bhaaganti' or runaway like Dixit/Sevakram (Sevakram lost faith and left Yagya by himself). So, after 1969, DLR is not going to lose the title Prajapita. As PBKs believe DLR enters in Dixit too, after 1976 (or 1969, not sure, whatever it is), they are inadvertently saying- soul of DLR too plays role of Prajapita in the body of Dixit after 1976, so actually, they are inadvertently CERTIFYING SOUL of DLR to have the title of- Prajapita, more than Dixit, as they believe soul of DLR would never be like a 'bhaaganti' or runaway, like Mr Dixit. So, soul of DLR plays role of Prajapita in its own body till 1969, and after that plays role of Prajapita even in body of Dixit. So, PBKs inadvertently are saying that "soul of DLR plays role of Prajapita continuously throughout Conf Age from 1947 (just 10 years loss) after wards. But soul of Mr Dixit plays role of Prajapita only from 1936 till 1942, and then from 1976 (or 1980s when AIVV practically started) onward (a loss of more than 30 yrs). Whose duration is higher? Moreover, soul of DLR plays role through three bodies- DG, Dixit and kamala Devi- in their own view" So- who looks like a hero in PRACTICAL?

** - Sorry, Mr Dixit has male body, so my argument does not fit in (neutral way)- but argument fits accurately- in PBK way- as they argue in contradicting or zig-zag way- as sometimes say- male body can play role of mother, sometimes even for female. So, in their twisted distorted view- even Kamala Devi is eligible to get title Prajapita, as they believe DLR enters her too, and the title goes to the body, AS PER THEIR UNDERSTANDING.
Let readers decide for themselves the CORRECT INTERPRETATIONS according to their own perception.

11)So- the extent of MUTUAL CONTRADICTIONS in PBK philosophy is clearly visible here. But, just as a drug addict, who would be in that intoxication for the whole of 24 hours in a day, and can neither understand nor come out of it, PBKs can neither understand nor come out of this, like being in 'Kumbhkarna' sleep.

12)This is another wonderful example showing spiritual suicide of PBKs- All the stones thrown from their side return back to them - obviously it should be so - as per karma philosophy.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 10 Mar 2016

# Flaw No. 164) PBKs make their own titles INSIGNIFICANT/DUMMY
This arugment goes against all logic imo. The more powerful a soul is i.e. the more powerful his soul consciousness and spiritual battery are at the end, the longer he stays in the drama to play the complete 84 births, of 5000 years, not a day less in corporeal form. The one who is the all-round soul is the most powerful... Brahma Baba Krishna although a great soul, is not the most powerful... So far he has forfeited about 47 years of corporeal life, so cannot be called the all-round soul, with no beginning or end, in the drama.
Roy wrote:Sister Vedanti will take 84 births, but she may be slightly shorter in the drama cycle than Prajapita, even by a day perhaps, and thus she cannot be called anaadi according to the Murli.
1) PBKs may explain how sister Vedanti LOSES some time*.
2)Regarding 1976 birth of L and N (in PBK view) did both Mr Dixit and sister Vedanti develop faith together, or even there had been a gap? If they believe there had been a gap in 1976, then in their own view- their logic becomes wrong, because the mate would be imperfect- in their view. PBKs believe the pair in heaven would be TWINS.
3)If they do not show a gap in 2018, then sister Vedanti too becomes eligible to get title ANAADI, in PBK view- which goes against their own logic, as well as the Murli point.

4)Again- who would be having more gap among these- Sister Vedanti and the top 8 souls (actually 7, after excluding Dixit from the 8) of RudrMala? If they believe loss of sister Vedanti is lesser than the other 7 souls, then in their own view (or any other view), logic becomes wrong, as the top 7 souls would not receive any punishment and come in Rudrmala; whereas sister Vedanti does not come in rudrMala and is 'cowardice', and also receives punishment. So, they are placing Vedanti above the top 8/7 souls.
If those 7 souls would suffer lesser loss than sister Vedanti, even then it would look inappropriate, as they believe it was sister Vedanti who developed faith in 1976 itself, whereas no other PBK had taken even birth at that time.

5) Whatever it is- By saying sister Vedanti as 'cowardice'- and including her name in Trimurti- as well as Conf Aged lakshmi, and considering all the mothers/females weaker, PBKs themselves have made all of their own titles DUMMY.

Spiritual suicide of Mr Dixit is clearly seen here- They projected DLR as weak, they projected all of their own female/mothers weak, and due to that- titles of Mr Dixit, and those of all the other of their Rudrmala souls become weaker.

6)Regarding PBK criteria to be more powerful:-
--Sometimes PBKs say- staying more duration in CW is the criteria for a soul to be more powerful.
--But, then they say- all the females are 'cowardice'. The physical stay in Corporeal Body does not come into point of criteria here.
--Again- PBKs believe soul of DLR controls Mr Dixit most of the time in Conf Age, then in their own view, soul of DLR is more powerful. But, that too goes out of the criteria even if they believe DLR controls all of them and is more powerful.
--Even Mr Dixit/Sevakram lost faith by himself, went into stomach of python, and was out of Yagya from 1942 to 1969- none of these affect the PBK criteria even to minutest extent.
Roy wrote:This argument goes against all logic imo.
7) This shows the intellect of PBKs. Their logic is something like saying- My Cock has three legs- is clearly VISIBLE HERE. FOR THE OTHER LOGIC HAS NO MEANING, EVEN WHEN Godly VERSIONS EXPLICITLY SPEAK SO.

Are not all these- twisting or double standard natures of PBKs?

*8)What do PBKs believe - Regarding the first 2.25 lakh PBK souls and their couple beads souls (excluding Dixit who has no TIME LOSS):- During the TIME LOST period, , do the other PBKs souls reside just in atmosphere like point of lights, or with subtle bodies or would they be in eternal physical world Paramdham?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

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Roy wrote:This argument goes against all logic imo.
For souls whose INTELLECTS are INVERTED by 180 Degrees, EVERY point of argument or debate has ESSENTIALLY to go AGAINST ALL LOGIC of THEIRS, since they WOULD NEVER BE ABLE to appreciate the other point of view, which is 180 degrees OUT of PHASE or OUT of SYNC from their OWN! Hence SUCH understanding and SUCH opinions would naturally be PERFECTLY IN ORDER, in accordance with the existing STATE of the INVERTED INTELLECTS of concerned souls! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO BE PERTURBED ABOUT, HENCE THEY SHOULD MAINTAIN THEIR PEACE, UNTIL THE APPOINTED HOUR!
NO PERSONAL OFFENCE INTENDED TOWARDS ANYONE, WHATSOEVER!
Roy wrote:The more powerful a soul is i.e. the more powerful his soul consciousness and spiritual battery are at the end, the longer he stays in the drama to play the complete 84 births, of 5000 years, not a day less in corporeal form.

This would EXACTLY be the natural COMPREHENSION of souls with INVERTED INTELLECTS, which is again PERFECTLY IN ORDER, and ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE, SINCE IT IS PERFECTLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAMA PLAN, WHICH REPEATS IDENTICALLY EVERY FIVE THOUSAND YEARS - NOTHING NEW - AND NOTHING TO BE PERTURBED ABOUT, AT ALL!
NO PERSONAL OFFENCE INTENDED TOWARDS ANYONE, WHATSOEVER!

For souls with ONE PARTICULAR BENT of the INTELLECT, or for the Unrighteous children - the longer a soul stays in the Drama to play the complete 84 births, of 5000 years, not a day less in CORPOREAL form, and ALSO be able to TRANSFORM the last or final, existing IMPURE corporeal body, ITSELF, into the very first PURE corporeal body, the more powerful the soul is considered to be (COMPLETELY oblivious of the actual FACT of the ACTUAL origin of such ENERGY, derived for such TRANSFORMATION).

For souls with ANOTHER BENT of the INTELLECT, or for the Righteous Children - the FASTER a soul ACHIEVES the KARMATEET COMPLETE ANGELIC STAGE, MUCH BEFORE the COMPLETION of the 5000 years, by superseding the consciousness of the body, by ACTUALLY shedding the OUTER DEGRADED GARMENT of the CORPOREAL body, and CONTINUING to OPERATE on the CORPOREAL SPHERE THROUGH an UNLIMITED SUBTLE BODY, to be able to perform the designated spiritual functions of WORLD TRANSFORMATION of MATTER and SOULS from IMPURE to PURE, in the QUICKEST POSSIBLE WAY, TOTALLY UNHINDERED and UNBOSTRUCTED by the CONSTRAINTS or RESTRICTIONS of an IMPURE and DEGRADED CORPOREAL body, the MORE POWERFUL that soul is considered to be!

The numerical figure of SIXTY-NINE is a CLASSICAL EXAMPLE to demonstrate this spiritual phenomenon.
When considered in ONE WAY, the FIRST digit SIX is LOWER than the SECOND digit NINE.
When both of them are TURNED by 180 degrees, the SECOND digit NINE, becomes the FIRST digit SIX, and vice versa, thus ALTERING the EQUATION COMPLETELY - MUCH TO THE UTTER BEWILDERMENT OF UNWARY SOULS!

When this ASPECT is CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD by concerned souls, those SPECIFIC souls will NO LONGER remain in any STATE of ANY SPIRITUAL CONFLICT, EITHER WITHIN or WITHOUT, WHATSOEVER.

Owing to the extreme state of body-consciousness of the Unrighteous children, the ENERGY REQUIRED to ALTER the INCLINED AXIS of their INVERTED INTELLECTS can ONLY BE PROVIDED through the EXTENSIVE POWER RELEASED by ACTUAL PHYSICAL DESTRUCTION - which is a SPECIFIC PRE-ORDAINED PROCESS of TRANSFORMATION for these SPECIFIC SOULS, THROUGH EXTERNAL FORCE, to enable them to shed their IMPURE body-consciousness COMPLETELY, and SIMULTANEOUSLY ALTER the INCLINED AXIS of their INVERTED INTELLECTS to align with the TRUE AXIS.
Roy wrote:The one who is the all-round soul is the powerful... Brahma Baba Krishna although a great soul, is not the most powerful... So far he has forfeited about 47 years of corporeal life, so cannot be called the all-round soul, with no beginning or end, in the drama.
The soul of REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or DLR is the MOST POWERFUL ALL-ROUND soul, because -

1) HE, and HE ALONE is the REAL 'MUKRAR-RATH' of GOD, (WHILE -Virendra Dev Dixit is the 'MUKRAR-RATH' of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the APPARENT 'mukrar-rath' of God).

2) His soul-consciousness and spiritual battery are SO powerful even in his last corporeal birth, SO AS TO motivate him to seek God so vigorously, that God HAS to COME and make him His REAL 'mukrar-rath', ONCE AGAIN, EVERY CYCLE, and CYCLE after CYCLE, ETERNALLY!

3) His soul-consciousness and spiritual battery are SO powerful even in his last corporeal birth, THAT he Re-Cognizes God and SURRENDERS EVERYTHING to Him for the UPLIFT of ENTIRE HUMANITY.

4) His soul-consciousness and spiritual battery are SO powerful even in his last corporeal birth, THAT he makes the MOST CONCERTED EFFORT to become FULLY soul-conscious AGAIN, and ACHIEVES the KARMATEET COMPLETE ANGELIC STAGE WELL BEFORE ANY OTHER EMBODIED SOUL ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, IN THE WHOLE CREATIVE PROCESS.

5) His soul-consciousness and spiritual battery are SO powerful even in his last corporeal birth, THAT he sheds the OUTER GARMENT of his OLD CORPOREAL body, WELL BEFORE ANY OTHER EMBODIED SOUL, TO BE ABLE to CONTINUE to SERVE ENTIRE HUMANITY AT THE FASTEST POSSIBLE SPEED, IN HIS SUBTLE BODY, TO BRING ABOUT WORLD TRANSFORMATION, AND THE PURIFICATION OF BOTH MATTER AND SOULS, AT THE EARLIEST.

NO PERSONAL OFFENCE INTENDED TOWARDS ANY INDIVIDUAL, or GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, WHATSOEVER, IN PRESENTING ABOVE OBSERVATIONS! EVERY INDIVIDUAL HAS THE FULL AND COMPLETE FREEDOM - OF NOT ALLOWING THEMSELVES TO 'FEEL' BULLIED BY THE CONTRARY COMPREHENSION OF OTHERS - AND BE GUIDED BY THEIR OWN PERSONAL COMPREHENSION.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 11 Mar 2016

# Flaw No. 165) PBKs INADVERTENTLY imply soul of Mr. Dixit did not play role of Father in 1936, or the 'shooting' what they speak about, in 1936, has no REAL SIGNIFICANCE

From here- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51093&hilit ... ons#p51093
Roy wrote:It is the understanding of the clarifications of Brahma Baba's visions, given by Father Shiv through Prajapita-Ram, that makes one (Kamla devi) false Gita and the other (Sister Vedanti) true Gita. Although the accurate narration of the visions was given through (Adi Brahma i.e. Kamla devi soul's body), by Father Shiv... the understanding of the clarifications is different. I believe Sita (i.e. Sister Vedanti's soul) had a clearer understanding and was trusted by Brahma Baba Krishna, when she relayed the clarifications to him via her womb-like intellect. The Confluence Age shooting here in 1936, resulting in the broad drama event of the Golden Age, in 2036, when Sita (aka Confluence Age Lakshmi), gives practical birth to Krishna and then Radha, the first two leaves of The Tree.
The false relates to the level of understanding and affiliation... The Knowledge given through her by Father Shiv was not false, and this is why she becomes the first Brahma and makes Prajapita, the first Brahmin.
Not at all! Father Shiv speaks through Veerendra Dev Dixit ji aka Ram, and he churns on The Knowledge himself... he never takes another's opinion. What Prajapita-Ram(Veerendra Dev Dixit ji's soul) heard in 1936, came straight from Father Shiv... there was no mixing done by Kamla Devi's soul in this.
1)PBKs believe in 1936, ShivBaba gave clarifications through Kamala Devi, and it was first understood properly by Mr Dixit. Next level of understanding was sister Vedanti, while the level of understanding of Kamala Devi was even lesser. Not sure what level they place for DLR. They may be placing him at the fourth level. [They may correct, accordingly].

2)PBKs also say "the Murlis narrated through DLR till 1969 were just like poetry, no real clarification was there. So, God did not play role of Father, Teacher, Guru through him, but played just role of Mother".

3) Now- from 1947 till 1969, (in PBK view), it was just role of Mother (no clarification of knowledge). IN THAT CASE, HOW COME IT WAS ROLE OF Father FROM 1936 TILL 1942? Obviously, MORE KNOWLEDGE WOULD BE AT LATER DATE, IS IT NOT? So, if the later role was just of mother (inferior), how come the initial role can be of Father(superior)? So- PBKs inadvertently IMPLY- either no clarification was given to DLR by other personalities, or it was ineffective - "in their own view".

4) Again- in their own view, it was Mr Dixit who FIRST lost faith and left Yagya. So, was his level of understanding SUPERIOR or INFERIOR AMONG THE FOUR? Did the intellect of the so-called 'most powerful' soul fail, before even all the other 'cowardice' souls?

5)Baba also says- "Rachtaa kabhee bhee rachnaa se prabhaavith naheen ho saktaa = Creator can NEVER be influenced by his creation. " But, in their own view- the(ir) 'creator' got easily influenced by his own creation, Child Krishna, and had clashes with him, and left the Yagya in 1942, instead of taking proper control of the Yagya for the benefit of the children. And- the same 'creator' even in the next birth, after 1976, is being influenced by the same 'creation', what they presently call as "Bull riding over Shankar".

6)BTW, when it was asked -
mbbhat wrote:And- Sister Vedanti was mother even to Mr Dixit, during 1969 when he came to Gyan. So, Sister Vedanti should be 'mother' of Mr Dixit too, is it not?
Roy replied:- I don't think so... She could not convince him about The Knowledge, and it was only through his own churnings that he finally became fully enlightened, in 1976. However, she was the one who had the purity of conviction to allow him to take Murlis away and read them... the other BKs did not want to do this.
Then how can PBKs say- "Kamala Devi/Adi_Brahma was mother of Dixit/Sevakram?" Was it Kamala Devi who convinced him during 1936? As per PBKs, Mr Dixit/Sevakram understood it by himself in 1936. Even Kamala Devi did not understand properly. But, in the latter case of 1969, even if sister Vedanti was instrumental to give him Murlis (knowledge)- did not mix up anything from her side, PBKs do not agree sister Vedanti to be his mother.

So by their very own CORRUPTED & DISTORTED LINE of NONSENSICAL ARGUMENT or UNDERSTANDING, since -KDD did not have the understanding or comprehension of the clarifications of knowledge, she could not have taken REAL spiritual birth directly from Shiva, hence she cannot be considered to be first REAL Brahma, but FALSE 'Brahma', through whose FALSE mouth the knowledge was conveyed to -Virendra Dev Dixit, to become the FALSE 'Prajapita', and due to this FALSEHOOD, the CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED intellect of -Virendra Dev Dixit, proceeded to FURTHER CORRUPT & ADULTERATE that knowledge, to be in accordance with the PERVERTED & DISTORTED CONCEPTS of 'Tamopradhan Bhakti', and propagate same to the CORRUPTED INTELLECTS of the BLIND FOLLOWERS, the PBKs, who, due to their inherent body-consciousness and RANK ARROGANCE and ABJECT BLINDNESS, would obviously maintain that such CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED knowledge originated from REAL ShivBaba, when in fact, it ACTUALLY originated from APPARENT 'ShivBaba' or Ravan, in order to carry out the 'shooting' of Ravan Rajya!

7)So, to WHOM or WHAT do PBKs give value?:-
---Sometimes they say- "title goes to body/Chariot",
---sometimes say- "it is the understanding ability that matters",
---sometimes say- "convincing capacity matters"
---sometimes say- "purity matters",
---sometimes say "a male body cannot play role of mother",
---sometimes say a male body can play role of mother perfectly!",
---sometimes say- "this argument GOES AGAINST ALL LOGIC, IMO" , etc, etc.
Roy wrote:It is the understanding of the clarifications of Brahma Baba's visions, given by Father Shiv through Prajapita-Ram, that makes one (Kamla devi) false Gita and the other (Sister Vedanti) true Gita.
1. The fact that Shiva FIRST gave the VISIONS to Brahma Baba DIRECTLY, in the Conf Age, should make him the FIRST Brahma, EVEN if he did not comprehend the correct significance of those VISIONS of Conf Age, at that SPECIFIC point of time - IN CONTRAST to the INDIRECT 'Visions' received by souls during Copper Age and Iron Age???
2. The PBKs DELUSIVELY ASSUME that the CORRUPTED understanding of those visions by their bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, were given by REAL ShivBaba or God, COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS of the FACT that it is ACTUALLY APPARENT 'ShivBaba' or Ravan who does so???
3. As a consequence of above, -KDD becomes FALSE Gita or FALSE 'Jagadamba', while -Virendra Dev Dixit becomes APPARENT or FALSE 'Prajapita Brahma' or FALSE Confluence Age 'Krishna' / 'Narayan', and therefore Sr V would become FALSE Confluence Age 'Radha' / 'Lakshmi'???
Roy wrote:The false relates to the level of understanding and affiliation... The Knowledge given through her by Father Shiv was not false, and this is why she becomes the first Brahma and makes Prajapita, the first Brahmin.
1. 'The 'FALSE' relates to the level of understanding and affiliation - THIS IS CORRECT.
2. No knowledge was given by Shiva through -KDD. Her part was the part of 'Bhakti' or 'SUN-NA aur SUNANA', i.e. HEAR and NARRATE (without proper comprehension), hence she is considered as FALSE Gita by the PBKs.
She DID NOT hear from Shiva, but from Brahma Baba, who they believe narrated his visions to her, after which she merely narrated (REPEATED) them to -Virendra Dev Dixit. So Brahma Baba should be FIRST FALSE 'Brahma', and -KDD should be SECOND FALSE 'Brahma' - ACCORDING to PBK viewpoint???
3. When -Virendra Dev Dixit listens to such HEARSAY through TWO 'FALSEHOODS', (according to their OWN understanding), Ravan or Maya would IMMEDIATELY STEP IN and make him churn these aspects BASED on the PERVERTED & DISTORTED CONCEPTS of 'Tamopradhan Bhakti', since soul of -Virendra Dev Dixit should be the MOST IMPURE at that time - so how can any IDIOT expect him to churn in a PURE MANNER??? When he is considered to play the part of 'Tamopradhan Gyan' or DEGRADED knowledge of Ravan Rajya, i.e. 'SAMAJNA aur SAMJANA' or UNDERSTAND and EXPLAIN, he is ACTUALLY carrying out the 'shooting' of Ravan Rajya, and NOT RamRajya, at that time - under the ACTIVE influence of APPARENT 'ShivBaba' or Ravan, and NOT REAL ShivBaba or God???
4. As explained in point nr 2 above, Brahma Baba should have been the FIRST (FALSE) 'Brahma', in which case -KDD would be the FIRST (FALSE) 'Brahmin', and consequently -Virendra Dev Dixit would be the SECOND (FALSE) 'Brahmin'; or APPARENT or FALSE 'Prajapita' also???
5. -KDD should be the 'child' of BB, since -Virendra Dev Dixit is the 'child' of -KDD. Also, PBKs believe -KDD does not have a corporeal spiritual mother, since she herself is 'Jagadamba', while her corporeal spiritual father would be -Virendra Dev Dixit, who does not have a corporeal spiritual father, since he himself is 'Jagatpita', according to them. So, one is motherless and the other is fatherless, i.e. BOTH ARE HALF-ORPHANS (spiritually speaking)???
Roy wrote:Not at all! Father Shiv speaks through Veerendra Dev Dixit ji aka Ram, and he churns on The Knowledge himself... he never takes another's opinion. What Prajapita-Ram(Veerendra Dev Dixit ji's soul) heard in 1936, came straight from Father Shiv... there was no mixing done by Kamla Devi's soul in this.
1. As already indicated above, what -Virendra Dev Dixit INITIALLY HEARD (HEARSAY through a FALSE Gita), was narrated to him by -KDD, which was told to her by BB (ALL HEARSAY, based on FALSE APPRECIATION by BB & NIL COMPREHENSION by -KDD)???
2. Therefore, it becomes clear that it is Ravan or Maya, (whom they DELUSIVELY BELIEVE to be REAL ShivBaba or God), who would speak through -Virendra Dev Dixit???
3. And furthermore, how does ANY IDIOT expect the MOST IMPURE SOUL, -Virendra Dev Dixit, to churn by himself, in a STATE of UTTER IMPURITY, with HIS MOST DEGRADED INTELLECT; and what can anyone expect to come out of such a DEGRADED INTELLECT, OTHER THAN the PERVERTED & DISTORTED CONCEPTS of 'Tamopradhan Bhakti', PARTICULARLY when he churns HIMSELF, at that SPECIFIC POINT OF TIME???
4. And what about the FINAL STAGE of 'BAN-NA aur BANANA' or INCULCATE and ENABLE INCULCATION - has any PBK, or for that matter -KDD or even -Virendra Dev Dixit come anywhere near this stage AT ALL??? (Whereas, REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR has ALREADY BECOME COMPLETE Avyakt FARISHTA, WAY BACK in 1969 ITSELF, and is ENABLING others to do the same)!

So, the TWISTING or DOUBLE STANDARDS of PBKs is AMPLY visible here. Without understanding the right concepts, PBKs misunderstand, misinterpret and misuse the Murli points RECKLESSLY, ad infinitum!

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 12 Mar 2016

Dear mbbhat,

Paramdham is there all the time, but why are we not able to remember it in Copper Age? There is the knowledge about Brahmand in the Copper Age. It is only when the Supreme Soul comes in corporeal body that we practically experience the peace and silence of Paramdham, whilst being on this earth in the body. It is the Father that takes all the sous back along with him after coming. It is not that we will remember Paramdham and reach there. He comes and takes us back along with him.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 12 Mar 2016

# Flaw No. 166) Another example of how Mr Dixit fooled PBKs by taking ISOLATED Murli POINTs as well as trained them how to fool others:-
sita wrote:Dear mbbhat,
Paramdham is there all the time, but why are we not able to remember it in Copper Age? There is The Knowledge about Brahmand in the Copper Age.
1)To WHAT EXTENT there is knowledge of brahmaand in Copper Age? The level is lower. They think brahmaand itself as God. They believe the niraakaari tatw (nirgun element itself then becomes sakari tatw (sagun). When they equate God (who is ocean of love, peace etc) to the element, do you believe they have knowledge of either God or the element?
[They believe the nirgun tatw (virtueless- neither positive, nor negative) is the eternal God, which then gets manifested into sagun -corporeal forms. They believe the nirgun is original, hence think of nirgun tatw. They just try to make their mind blank- nirgun, in their effort by hathayog - without having any knowledge of either the time cycle, or the point form. They do not know relation between even soul and body, as they believe mind is part of brain or body. They believe soul is nirlep, or mostly soul itself is God]. So, their effort becomes futile.

See ,Murli point- Nos. 22) and 24) here- in Post No. 20- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... ahm#p15324 . Literally, they appear to be contradictory. Because Baba says- "in heaven, one has full knowledge about soul, but absolutely zero about God". But, in the other Murli point- Baba says- "if one knows about soul, you will also know about God".

The CONTEXT has to be understood properly.
---When Baba says- "in heaven, people have full/enough knowledge about soul" it means their life is like a soul-conscious person.
---Similarly,when Baba says- "in Bhaktimarg, people/saints know about brahmaand", it means they too experience deep silence. [Both the deities and saints are like achievers, or above the average mark. But, practically, they do not have knowledge of either point God and his incarnation, etc., or the whole of time cycle]. Also see point 4) below.

2)Baba also praises even saints and respects them. Baba says- the breath of brahmgyaanis is also blissful. - at the end of mu point No. 01 - here- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... laa#p13479
It is only when the Supreme Soul comes in corporeal body that we practically experience the peace and silence of Paramdham, whilst being on this earth in the body. It is the Father that takes all the sous back along with him after coming. It is not that we will remember Paramdham and reach there. He comes and takes us back along with him.
3)Who has denied this? WE believe God has come in corporeal and has given the knowledge. Now, both knowledge as well as experienced hands are available.

If PBKs really respect corporeal body, and the versions that have come through the Chariot, they should give the same importance to all the chariots- either Sevakram, or DLR or Dixit, or Gulzar Dadi. PBKs believe God Himself had spoken through mouth of DLR, but believe it was futile. So, do PBKs give respect to corporeal body or God's Chariot in practical? Absolutely No. They just call B Baba on whom they still depend, as baby intellect, ghost, Ravan, number one false Guru, Hiranyakashyap, etc.

4)A very good example is here- Baba says- saints remember just ALAF. - Post No. 45 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... hwar#p4113
Do you believe saints know or remember Alaf/Father? It is very difficult to understand the frequency of ShivBaba. As said earlier, even if you do not understand some Murli points, you could have carried out your own thinking, when you get doubt. - as Baba has clearly said- if you get doubt (if you do not have understanding capacity of what Baba speaks), leave them. - Post No. 38 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... oubt#p4089 . Also- see post No. 105 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... aar#p12382

But, unfortunately, PBKs fell into the trap of Mr Dixit by creating doubt in Godly teachings, as exactly in drama, hence nothing new or wrong.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 12 Mar 2016

# Flaw No. 167) PBKs inadvertently imply- Mother gets birth from her own child/son:-

BK view:- It is simple and clear. Brahma Baba becomes the first and the only Brahma, as soon as God enters him. At the same time he is also a braahmin, because Brahma is also a braahmin- like Vishnu is also a deity. Head of deities is a deity, head of braahmins is also a braahmin. [ Murli Point clearly says- "Brahma is also a braahmin". ]
---Brahma is both Father and mother. He has neither corporeal Father, nor corporeal mother. He is the top most human soul to whom Baba says- "meraa ek hee bachchaa Brahma hai, Brahma ek hee murabbi bachchaa hai. = Brahma alone is my eldest/first/highest child".
---The next child is Mama- Jagadamba (Om Radhe). She depends only on Brahma and none of the other children. She gets the title smaller mother, 'kalash'/vessel of knowledge is given to sisters, and as she is the leader of the team . All the children including Mama are braahmins.

But, Mr Dixit while doing his misinterpretations and juggling exercises- defamed even the titles Brahma and Braahmin SEVERELY. No Murli points, no logic or no lowkik people or scriptures will agree/tally with them.

Reference to flaw No. 49 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=50363&hilit=adoption#p50363 .

1)According to PBKs, Kamala Devi is first Brahma, and they call her as 'FALSE' Gita. So, in PBK view the false Gita is the FIRST BRAHMA and also Mother of Humanity. OK, let us agree with them. She is now just Brahma (when Shiv first entered her), but still NOT a Braahmin. -in PBK view
When Shiv spoke through her, and Mr Dixit listened*, he became the first braahmin. But, he is yet to become Brahma. So, now Kamala Devi is Mother and Dixit became her child/son.

2)Next- Mr Dixit/Sevakram becomes Brahma/Prajapita as soon as Shiv entered him. Then Shiv gave clarification to the other two - False Gita(FG) and True Gita(TG). Now, Kamala Devi- FG becomes braahmin- the child of Dixit.
So, a/the MOTHER FIRST GIVES BIRTH TO A CHILD/SON AND THEN GETS BIRTH FROM HER OWN SON. Any logic in this? [So- are not PBKs inadvertently denying her existence at all? ]

3)Again PBKs believe Shiv did not give any knowledge through Kamala Devi (put in flaw No. 165). She did just sun_naa and sunaanaa (hear and narrate) - Bhakti role and just said to Mr Sevakram/Dixit what she had heard from DLR. So, when Mr Dixit HAD NOT received any knowledge from Kamala Devi, how can she be considered as FIRST MOTHER and how birth of Mr Dixit is valid? So, once again - just PLAIN contradictions. -

4)Moreover, what is the criteria to become braahmin?
---According to PBKs, Mr Dixit understood very correctly what ShivBaba spoke (but this claim has no real stand as already said in Flaw No. 165).
---Even if we still agree to them, it was ONLY the clarification for vision of DLR. So, neither Mr Dixit, nor the other sisters realized either ALAF, or BEY. They did not realize even about their own roles. It was like a (royal) para-chintan more than swa-chintan
---So- HOW COME understanding role of just some another person becomes eligibility to become braahmin or gyaani tu atmas?

5)And- in PBK view- Kamala Devi did not mix up here things at all. She neither gave any of her own clarification to others. It was Radha bachchi who conveyed the message to DLR. So- Kamala Devi DID NOT speak any gyaan from here side. So- neither she spoke anything from her own side, nor Shiv gave any knowledge or clarification through her mouth (it was just sun_naa and sunaanaa- the words of just DLR). So, how come she gets eligibility for title Gita- either TG or FG?

6)In his juggling exercises- Mr Dixit says- the initial period was womb-like period. In that case, DOES CLARIFICATION AND INTERACTION OF SO MANY SOULS HAVE ANY SENSE? Just vision would be enough to indicate the womb period.
---And- vision happened first to B Baba. So, it was B baba's intellect that took birth like a womb period earlier than the other three PBK personalities. So, naturally, in this view, DLR would be the first braahmin.- and their propaganda of clarification story AUTOMATICALLY fails.
---Also- in the womb period, there cannot be question and true Gita or False Gita- because there cannot be someone (human soul) understanding something accurately, someone not. Because - in the womb period, ALL would be EVEN LOWER than baby intellects.
---Level of Intellect can be realized only after certain age/period, at least few years or months. And, we know the level of intellect of Mr Dixit/Sevakram how it was during near 1942. - in their own view - as already put in earlier posts.

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mbbhat wrote:- 2)Now, as per PBKs, Shiv gives birth to DLR through Sister Vedanti and Shiv gives birth to Dixit/Sevakram through Kamala Devi.

Roy replied:- I believe that is a correct understanding...
7)Not sure whether PBKs believe Shiv entered into all the three or two or just one/Dixit? - Roy Soul might have replied as above, other PBKs may have slightly different views. Yet to see.

---If PBKs believe- Shiv entered into all the three, the first one loses value, as it was just "sun_naa and sunaanaa".
---If they believe- God entered into two- Dixit and Radha bachchi, then clarification given by Dixit TOO loses value, as it would be Shiv himself speaking to DLR in the body of Vedanti. So, Dixit did not play any role of Father to DLR there. He might have been Father just to TG and FG only at that time.
---If they believe- God entered just into one/Dixit and gave clarifications, and Radha bachchi just spoke/relayed to DLR what she heard there, it would look somewhat better. But, (anyhow) the first one loses value. And- now- Kamala Devi loses title even Brahma, and Mr Dixit would get both the titles- First Brahma as well as Prajapita. Their concept of Trimurti fails here, as kamala Devi would be TOTALLY OUT OF THE RACE.
--- Or if they believe Shiv really first gave clarification through GitaMata (that is how Dixit took birth), then clarification given by Mr Dixit loses value, as he or words from his mouth becomes secondary.
---Or if PBKs believe God gave clarifications through Kamala Devi, he understood them by himself, and gave clarification from his own churning to the other two sisters,- WITHOUT NEED OF SHIV ENTERING IN HIM- then he would be a hero now, but HIS BODY LOSES value, as he does not become the Chariot at that instant. Also- as they believe ""title goes to the body"- Kamala Devi would be fit for the title, and Mr Dixit would again be dummy.

8)Endless contradictions and spiritual suicide of Mr Dixit is again visible here. In Murlis it is said- "True Gita(Murlis), and False Gita (Lowki Gita scripture)". As Mr Dixit had created a 'living' Gita, he had to make two (living) Gitas. So, had to (mis)interpret in various ways.

9)In Murlis it is also said- "Gita is Mother (sometimes mother and Father) of all the scriptures".
Not sure how do PBKs explain sister Vedanti to be true mother to all the other LIVING SCRIPTURES, and Kamala Devi is FALSE MOTHER to all of them. Most probably, they will not be able to explain how these two are fathers. So- they may be able to explain just half (Gita as mother, not as both mother and Father)- as they believe TG and FG play roles of just Mothers.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 14 Mar 2016

# Flaw No. 168) PBKs inadvertently imply each of their trimurtis are Baby Intellects:-

As per PBKs, Mr Dixit lost faith in 1942, and the other two in 1947. And- in his present birth, till 1969, he was just doing time-passing, and also playing role of number one thorn (in their view). They believe even now, sister Vedanti has not recognized role of their Chariot -Virendra Dev Dixit, and Kamala Devi has lost faith once again, (or at least has got severely affected), just like Ram of PBKs has failed - Flaw No. 85 and 86- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=50738&hilit=Nagaraj#p50738

And, PBKs still believe soul of DLR (whom they refer to as baby-intellect) is controlling Mr Dixit and creates even eclipse of Kamala Devi. So- in "their own view",
---One/Vedanti has not become a PBK, till present,
---and the other two are under the control of or influenced by, a baby-intellect B Baba.
---So, they are inadvertently certifying themselves as even more a baby, than babies, is it not?
---Also more proof here- Mr Dixit himself has done countless errors on Murli points and himself COULD NOT UNDERSTAND ERROR IN HIS OWN D.O.B., ETC., ETC.- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593

BTW- few Murli points about 'baby-intellect' are given here- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... baby#p7206

Double Standard and twisting nature of Mr Dixit or PBKs can be seen here clearly:-
1)When Murli point says DLR did not understand meaning of all the visions, PBKs gave title B Baba as "Baby-intellect". But, the Murli point says- ALL HAD BEEN BABIES during the beginning. , so Mr Dixit/Sevakram would also be a 'baby-intellect' is it not? But, as per PBKs, Mr Dixit had understood the meaning "VERY CORRECTLY"? A double standard or speaking open lies - WITHOUT BEING AWARE OF WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY REPEATING - LIKE PARROTS - WITHOUT CARING TO UNDERSTAND ANYTHING IN THE PROPER PERSPECTIVE.
2) Again Murli points clearly says (later), "B Baba has put good level of effort, and also says- "even Brahma can teach you, he is NOT a Baby Intellect"; but PBKs IGNORE it and continue to consider B Baba to be a baby-intellect, EVEN AFTER he becomes Avyakt and a COMPLETE ANGEL, thus CONFIRMING that their bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, is a COMPLETE 'MAHA-MURKH', like themselves.
3)But, when Mr Dixit left gyaan in 1942, he put the allegations (indirectly) on God Himself, by saying that the KNOWLEDGE WAS RUDIMENTARY, as a CLANDESTINE reason for his loss of faith and leaving Yagya, to CONTINUE to make UTTER FOOLS of the PBKs. CAN THERE BE ANY GREATER SIN THAN THIS, OF THE ONE WHO DOES NOT HESITATE TO DEFAME MOST BELOVED ALMIGHTY GOD Father?
4)And- this CHEAP excuse FAILED- when Kamala Devi herself left Yagya IN 1998, EVEN WHEN SHE HAD UNDERGONE the so called advanced knowledge, and had intimate physical sexual relationships with him. - (as already said in flaw No. 85, 86 )

5)Greatest FOOLISHNESS OR BABY INTELLECT OF Mr. DIXIT is visible here as an open secret:-
PBKs claim Mr Dixit had understood the meaning of vision of DLR VERY CORRECTLY. But, Mr Dixit had not understood what his role would be in Conf Age! For an intellectual person- if he recognizes roles of someone, automatically his intellect would think- "WHAT ABOUT MY ROLE?"
But, Mr Dixit neither understood what his role would be, nor his intellect had SLIGHTEST SENSITIVITY to question the self about this. Is there need of any proof other than these to prove that story of Mr Dixit was false propaganda and his intellect as well as his followers are like baby-intellect?

# Flaw No. 169) A clear proof showing PBKs do not know basic meaning of SPIRITUALITY"-
arjun wrote:Lekhraj Kirpalani enters Jagdamba to play the role of mother and not to give knowledge. - refer to two posts after flaw No. 86
Spiritually, MOTHER means one who gives knowledge. If one does not give knowledge, how can that person be called as SPIRITUAL MOTHER?
---As per PBKs, when DLR played role of mother, knowledge has come through his mouth.
---Also, as per PBKs, sister Vedanti did 'shooting' of Mother when she relayed the knowledge/clarification.
---Even Kamala Devi became mother when first Shiv spoke through her giving clarification. Or they believe she also had been giving knowledge to others (in a limited way- not like Mama of BKWSU who was giving her own clarifications on what ShivBaba spoke).
But- now, they say- DLR does not give knowledge through Kamala Devi, but plays role of a Mother. How?
Also- are PBKs SO WEAK/BABIES that they need SO MANY MOTHERS, as a PRIME CRITERIA for them to become complete spiritual children?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 15 Mar 2016

# Flaw No. 170) Mr Dixit OPENLY says- he or PBKs (or mostly God Shiva) are still in womb???

More of juggling exercises are here:- viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=49083&hilit=womb#p49083

1)According to Mr. Dixit, 10 yrs of Con. Age = One month spiritual womb period. Seems totally illogical. But, let us agree with this.
2)Mr Dixit says- in 1936, it was just like putting seed, and formation of embryo. And, after 4 months (= 40 years) = in 1976), the fetus became matured, and it is equivalent to entry of soul (here God) into it. Still it would be revealed only to mother and Father (he refers to B Baba and Dixit here), not to sister Vedanti!.

3)Mr Dixit continues and says- "after next 4 to 5 months, (total) 9 months)- the child PRACTICALLY gets birth and then only the whole world recognizes. So, that is adding 40 yrs to 1976, it becomes 2016, and that is the real DATE OF SHIV JAYANTI. THEN ONLY IT IS TRUE Gita JAYANTI."
4)But- a CLEAR ERROR is seen here. Adding 9 months (90 yrs) to 1936, it becomes 2026, NOT 2016!
But, Mr Dixit cannot announce 2026 for the simple reason- because as per his churning, the first prince of Golden Age would sit on throne on 2036 which fits for 100 yrs of Conf. Age said in Murlis. So, he should be at least 18 yrs by 2036, and hence should get birth at least by 2018.

5)But, PBKs believe Shiv entered into three personalities in 1936. Are there three wombs? And- again from 1947 till 1969- entry to Lekhraj Kirpalani- Is that also another womb of Shiv?
6)Ridiculous thing is- Baba says- "I do not enter into womb". But Dixit says- Shiv entering into his womb. But, OK, this can be accepted as giving an intellectual meaning to it. But- their theory FULLY GOES WRONG, because the prediction of 1976 was said in ADVANCE 10 years before.
So, others (BKs= followers of Shiv and Lekhraj Kirpalani in 1966 itself) had at least some piece of information about this. Mr Dixt. Mr Dixit may say- BKs did not understand the meaning, but that concept or something regarding this was known to BKs BEFORE Mr. DIXIT. Mr. Dixit came to know about this matter only through others (BKs).

7) Now- as per Mr Dixit, TRUE Gita Jayanti would begin in 2016. But, he says- Krishna Jayanti had TAKEN PLACE in 1936 itself!- which goes AGAINST the Murli point. [Murli point says- first is Shiv Jayanti, next is Gita Jayanti, and then Krishn Jayanti.]

Mostly (not fully sure) Mr Dixit may be implying Lekhraj Kirpalani is revealed to the world in 1936 itself, so may be saying that Krishn Jayanti TOOK PLACE in 1936 itself. So- is Mr Dixit inadvertently says- "Without Father and Shiv Jayanti, CHILD takes birth" - Great logic- indeed!

8) We can see TWISTING, FAILURES, and DOUBLE STANDARDS of PBKs here.
---PBKs use the Murli point about 1976 year of prediction against BKs and keep on claiming that Mr Dixit and sister Vedanti had been revealed as Conf. Age L and N in 1976 itself.
---But, here Mr. Dixit says- "No. even in 1976, revelation did not take place EVEN in braahmin family. It was revealed only to just Dixit and B Baba".

9)More errors can be seen here. If to B baba, it was revealed in 1976 itself, then how and why should he control Mr Dixit - even now?

10)Further- Mr dixit says- from 1976 till 2016, God would be in womb period and the revelation would be known just to Father(Dixit) and mother(Lekhraj Kirpalani). So, there would be just three- Father(Lekhraj Kirpalani), mother/Chariot(Dixit) and the womb(God Shiv). How can there exist anyone else? So, how can there be any PBKs till 2016? How can there be many other children take birth before?

11)Also, PBKs believe - even today- B baba have not realized the Chariot Mr Dixit fully. But, then how do they say- B Baba had realized about Conf. Aged L and N in 1976 itself and have understood God's entrance in Mr Dixit in 1976 itself?
12)Logically- all the PBKs and even B Baba would be knowing (blindly believing) that Shiv had entered in Mr Dixit from 1976 itself - "in PBK view". So, how can Mr Dixit say- till 2016, it is still womb period?

13)Funnily- Mr Dixit says- viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=49060&hilit=proof#p49060
Mr. Dixit c/o arjun wrote:"You should not become ready to accept anything without proof and evidence"
But- at the same time- none of clarifications of Mr. Dixit has any proof.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 18 Mar 2016

# Flaw No, 171) According to AIVV, child/Krishna took birth WITHOUT either Father, or Knowledge

So- as explained above in the previous post, point No. 7) - Mr Dixit says birth(revelation) of Krishna had taken place in braahmin world (BKWSU) in 1936, because -
Mr Dixit [color=#FF0000]c/o arjun[/color] wrote:It cannot be said ‘Krishna jayanti so Gita jayanti’ at all. What was said? Krishna Jayanti can’t be called Gita jayanti. Why can’t it be called so? It is because it is certainly seated in the intellect of the Brahmakumaris, who the soul of Krishna is. Is it seated firmly or weakly? It is seated firmly. So it was said, Krishna’s jayanti but did the jayanti of ShivBaba take place? The jayanti of ShivBaba certainly did not take place. - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=49083&hilit=insertion#p49083
1)So- according to Mr. Dixit, revelation of either Shiv or ShivBaba or Gita (right knowledge) DID NOT take place in BKWSU (they are yet to recognize them), but birth of Krishna had taken place in 1936 itself [= they have recognized role of B baba rightly (as Krishna) ].
---That is why Dixit says- birth/revelation of Shiv and Gita(right understanding of knowledge) is yet to take place.


# Flaw No. 172) Mr Dixit INADVERTENTLY certifies B Baba as "PASS WITH HONOUR" and takes a lower rank for himself:-

2)But- Mr Dixit in his juggling exercises, commits suicide again here.
Mr. Dixit [color=#FF0000]c/o arjun[/color] wrote:- When there are exams in schools and colleges, whose result is declared at first? Is [the result] of those [coming in the list of] third class or second class declared [first]? Even [the result] of those [coming in the list of] first class not declared [first]. [The result] of those who pass with honor [is declared first]. Even among them, their result is not declared all together. Firstly, the name of the one who comes first in the state or in the college is declared. So whose name will be declared at first? Arey! What do I make [of you]? I make [you into] the master of the world. So, will there be one master of the world or will there be many? So, the role of that one [soul] is revealed first. It was announced ten years before [the revelation] itself. It was said in the Murli in [the year] 1966: ‘When were these Lakshmi-Narayan born? Ten years less from today, 5000 years ago.’ So which year arrives? If we go 5000 years back, it will be the same day as today, won’t it? It was not said, 5000 ago, [but] it was said: - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=49060&hilit=announced#p49060
Mr Dixit says- Result of Conf Aged L and N was the one that had been first ever ANNOUNCED and it was year 1966. But, he FORGOT that he had not only ANNOUNCED the result of B Baba in 1936 itself, but also CERTIFIED it as TRUE REVELATION.
Mr Dixit had said (given in the previous post)- even in 1976, he/Dixit was revealed just only to TWO SOULS, that too it was just like a WOMB PERIOD only.
--- On the other hand, Mr. Dixit CERTIFIED the declaration of result of B Baba in 1936 to be FULLY PRACTICAL and also was CORRECT.

---Even as on today- result of DLR is revealed to both BKWSU, as well as AIVV (in PBK view). [Both BKs and PBKs have firm faith in his role as Krishna. Whereas role of Dixit is (DECEPTIVELY) understood only by AIVV.]

3)Great, great SPIRITUAL SUICIDE of Mr Dixit can be seen here, while trying to misinterpret the Murli points and delivering KANRAS to his followers - the so called ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE - by putting soul of Krishna down, and himself up, and that too, playing role of HK hood. Mr Dixit tried to keep both Krishna and incorporeal ShivBaba at a lower place than himself. But, more he tried, more he himself fell deeper.

4)Mr Dixit cannot certify BKWSU Murlis as true Gita, as he has to project his clarifications as True Gita and (sister Vedanti also as true living Gita).
Mr Dixit also cannot certify role of ShivBaba through Brahma Baba as correct, as he has to project B Baba is just a title holder and he himself is the true Chariot.
---So, Mr Dixit HAD TO SAY- True Shiv Jayanti and True Gita Jayanti had not taken place.

5) But, Mr Dixit has NO ONE ELSE other than DLR to play role as Child Krishna.
---He claims/implies that he himself would give birth to first prince of G Aged Krishna (B Baba).
---Also- even BKWSU believes that first prince of G Age is Krishna (B Baba).
---Another reason is- he had to claim he had given right clarifications during 1936 to prove his correctness/effectiveness in 1936, else he cannot be fit to be called as HIGHEST Chariot/personality. So, Mr Dixit HAD TO CERTIFY AT LEAST SOMETHING as RIGHT/ACCURATE. This is why he had to say birth/REVEALATION of Krishna HAD ALREADY TAKEN PLACE in 1936 itself.

But, the tragedy of Mr Dixit and PBKs is - more Mr. Dixit tried to put B Baba down, more higher B baba rises.

6)Mr Dixit cannot say FALSE Krishna. Because Murli never says such words. In Murlis- there are True Gita and False Gita. So- Mr Dixit called Kamala Devi and the BKWSU Murlis as false Gita and his clarifications and sister Vedanti as true Gita.
---Murli never says- "True Shiva and False Shiva". So, Mr Dixit cannot say it was some false Shiva who entered in 1936.
---Also- if he says some false Shiva entered, then his own level (Sevakram) would come down. He also would become false Chariot automatically, and even those so called clarifications.
---So, Mr. Dixit defamed God INDIRECTLY by saying "God played role of ONLY mother through DLR, and those versions were made false by putting name of Krishna (Brahma Baba) by BKWSU".

7)Mr. Dixit even made Kamala Devi as scapegoat by calling her as false Gita just by giving reason- "she had attachment to B baba in 1936 itself, and B baba enters her even after 1976 or 1980s".
---Mostly Mr. Dixit might have started this new propaganda "of true (living) Gita and false (living) Gita"- after 1998 when Mr. Dixit obviously had to put some blame on her, as her failure was obviously seen, which could not be hidden any longer.
---- Mr Dixit has been trying to COVER UP his mistakes/failures by giving new (mis) interpretations to PBKs. But, PBKs believe that they are getting new or advanced knowledge, which is becoming more dynamic, and they are progressing each day - what a sorry state of affairs for the PBKs - but yet all this is accurate, as per drama! Only CONCERNED souls can EVER comprehend these subtlest aspects in the proper perspective.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 18 Mar 2016

# Flaw No. 173) Who has inserted name 'Krishna' in Gita? - BKs or PBKs?

Of course, it is lowkik people who have inserted that name. The titles of braahmins are given to deities. Even the swadarshan disc, mace, etc- all actually belong to braahmins, but since braahmins are incomplete, these title are given to deities. In this way- title 'God of Knowledge' has gone from Brahma to Krishna. - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... ley#p11388 .
For example- the same RudrMala then becomes Vishnumala. Similarly, the title of God goes to the eldest child. That is the natural and first step of downfall.

But PBKs say- BKs have inserted name Krishna in Gita by putting the name of B Baba- "PITAASHREE" in Sakar Murlis. BUT-

1)BKs have never removed name ShivBaba, and put ONLY the name of Brahma Baba in Murlis. Murli clearly says- "there are both words of both ShivBaba as well as B Baba". Even PBKs also believe "from 1947 till 1969, ShivBaba/Shiv entered in Brahma Baba, and Brahma baba too spoke, in between".
2)So, if name of Brahma Baba is also put in Murlis, which fall between 1947 and 1969,- how can that be a MISTAKE, even in the SLIGHTEST sense? If BKs had removed name of Shiv from Murlis, then of course, it would be a mistake. Else- how can that be a mistake?

3)WHY do PBKs keep on blaming BKs that- by putting name of Brahma in Murlis, Murlis have become false? Else- how to know the incorporeal Shiv came and spoke? Is not corporeal necessary?
Or are PBKs saying even there- (from 1947 to 1969) the name Sevakram should be present?

4)Is this not a CLEAR twisting or double standard behaviour of PBKs? Is this not a baseless, and false allegation? PBKs keep on saying the CORPOREAL IS IMPORTANT. But, when the name of TRUE corporeal personality is put at right place, they say it is wrong.

5)The Murli point they quote to prove their stand- "5 to 10 yrs there had been children who even teach drill to Mama, Baba- ShivBaba used to sit in them and give directions through them, etc, etc" - in that it is clearly said in that point itself that those children lost faith, left Yagya, and have entered into stomach of python. Mr. Dixit had himself left Yagya. Then whom do they accuse? Also- is not loss of faith a GREAT weakness? (But, as usual, he CRAFTILY gets around that, by implying that God was weak, since God did not give so much Knowledge at that time).

6)OK- let us still agree that these all TALL stories of PBKs are true. Can these- (losing faith, entering into stomach of python (Maya), leaving Yagya for more than 30 years, and even then committing too many errors on Murli points)- be a sign of one who PASSES WITH HONOUR?


# Flaw No. 174) PBKs inadvertently imply 'Krishna' is God of Gita:-

7)For BKs, true Gita are words of Shiv through Brahma or words of Shiv plus Brahma. They believe both Sakar Murlis and Vanis are words of both Shiv and Brahma. (of course highest percentage are that of Shiv).

8)But, it is Mr. Dixit who has INSERTED name 'Krishna' in true Gita(Murlis). Dixit put name Krishna INSTEAD of Brahma. He even REMOVED name of Shiv from Avyakt Murlis, and believes just Krishna speaks there.

But, PBKs give these words UTMOST IMPORTANCE(because they are spiritually handicapped, as they do not have anything of their own) and consider them to be Godly versions, and give clarifications on these, even if they consider them as 'false' Gita.

9)Mr. Dixit even DILUTED name "Shiv", by saying JUST POINT Shiv cannot do ANYTHING.
---He diluted even name "ShivBaba" by putting/adding name of human(his own).
---Mr Dixit even DILUTED ALL THE NAMES - Ram, Baap (True Baap= True Father), by inserting his own name in them- EVERYWHERE..

10)But- all these exercises of Mr. Dixit have resulted just in spiritual suicide of PBKs:-

11)Also- PBKs believe Krishna would ALWAYS BE PRESENT with Shiv and Shankar while giving clarifications. They also believe it is Krishna who first reads the Murlis. In this way, Mr Dixit has inserted name Krishna not only in Murlis, but also in his own clarifications as well.

12)Moreover PBKs believe it is Krishna who controls Shankar, and also may even interfere in giving clarifications. Krishna would always be present in their Chariot whenever God Shiv is doing highest spiritual service through Mr Dixit.

13)PBKs have made Krishna perhaps the greatest hero in Conf Age- A soul that plays role either in corporeal or subtle from the beginning, to the middle, till the end of Yagya. A soul who has "ZERO ABSENTEEISM" in Yagya.
---In their own view, Krishna bachcha plays role both in BKWSU as well as AIVV, fully actively. Child Krishna plays role through Dixit, Dadi Gulzar, and even through Kamala Devi. In their view, after 1976, Shiv is active just in Dixit.
---According to PBKs, Shiv entered Dixit only in 1976, and hence, even Shiv was like absent from 1969 till 1976. But, on the contrary, Krishna had been active all the time.
--- In this way- Mr Dixit's spiritual 'suicides' are countless, and SUFFICIENT to eventually HANG himself and ALL his BLIND followers - which is meant or designed to be so - accurately, in accordance with drama.

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