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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 10 Aug 2016

# Flaw No. 293) In PBK logic-'TAKING LEAVE' implies (1) 'LOSING FAITH'; (2) can return again in ANOTHER corporeal body, but 3) CANNOT RETURN with the existing corporeal body!

This is regarding the 'title-holder' theory of the BLIND PBKs, who have been treacherously indoctrinated by their bodily guru, Virendra Dev Dixit! Part of this has been already discussed earlier. Now going into a little more depth of same.
Mr Dixit c/o arjun wrote: From - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=632&p=45304&hilit=principal#p45304 - Disc.CD No.591, dated 26.06.08 at Baroda (Gujarat)
Extracts-Part-8 Time: 01.00.01-01.00.59

Student: Baba, Om Radhey Mama came in-between and left in-between. But why did she get the title of Jagdamba?
Baba: Getting a title is a different thing. For example, in a school, in a college, there is a principal. The principal goes on leave FOR a YEAR or TWO. Someone else is posted as a principal in his place. So, will he be called a title-holder or original [principal]?
Student: Title-holder.
Baba: Similarly, Om Radhey Jagdamba was title-holder. She wasn’t the original Jagdamba. The original Jagdamba was in the beginning of the Yagya as well. She used to give directions to Mama Baba as well. She used to make them perform the drill; she used to sit as a teacher. The same one who was in the beginning will be revealed in the end.
1)The PBk student has put a VERY GOOD logical question here. He is asking how Om Radhe can be title-holder Jagdamba, just because she left her body much earlier, before the entry of Kamala Devi into the Yagya again, in her current corporeal body. But, Mr. Dixit is not at all replying to the query, in a LOGICAL and SENSIBLE MANNER! INSTEAD he just gives a vague, TOTALLY STUPID & ILLOGICAL reply, and just TREACHEROUSLY deviates from the REAL point of the question, DIVERTING the attention of the sincere student - which is equivalent to craftily 'GAGGING' the intellect of the concerned student, so as to SUPPRESS his further inquiries in the matter, and CLOSE the issue THERE and THEN!

2) Funny thing is- Mr. Dixit gives the example of- a principal going on leave for "a YEAR or TWO".
But as per AIVV, Sevakram had been on leave from the Yagya for nearly 3 decades! - [from 1942 till 1969/1976)].
First of all, would there be any instance, AT ALL, in ANY School or College, in the ENTIRE outer World, where there would be such an occurrence, where a Principal would require to proceed on LEAVE for as long as TWO years??? If he has to proceed on such a LONG leave, due to dire personal reasons, he would be required to put in his resignation, and in such a case a NEW Principal would have to be appointed in his place, for such a LONG period - DEFINITELY NOT a tittle-holder Principal!

Secondly, in the RAREST case where a worthy Principal is given the RAREST SPECIAL PRIVILEGE of proceeding on such a LONG leave of up to TWO years, (WITHOUT requiring him to put in his resignation), and the Vice-Principal is TEMPORARILY promoted to the position of Principal, during this period - to permit the Principal proceeding on leave, to join back and continue as the original Principal - would such a Principal be allowed to join back in ANOTHER corporeal body??? How old would he be after TWO years? How would a TWO year old child be the Principal of the School or College? And how would he be RECOGNIZED as the original Principal, even if he came back in ANOTHER corporeal body, say after 30 Years, having obtained his new degree and qualification for such a post in his new birth???
This EXAMPLE CLEARLY PROVES that the so-called 'unlimited' clarifications of the advanced knowledge are NOTHING but UTTER Spiritual GARBAGE of a demented intellect, READILY accepted and absorbed by the equally demented intellects of the BLIND PBKs!!!
IT IS NO WONDER, THEREFORE, THAT THE ORIGINAL 'PRINCIPAL' OF THE PBKs, Virendra Dev Dixit, WAS NOT RECOGNIZED, AND WAS THROWN OUT OF THE Yagya, WHEN HE TRIED TO BARGE-IN AGAIN IN HIS NEXT CORPOREAL BODY, CLAIMING THAT HE WAS THE ORIGINAL 'PRINCIPAL'!!! HOW SILLY CAN THE PBKs GET???

3) Usually, the highest post holder will NOT BE PERMITTED such a long period of leave. For example- a PM or President of a Nation, cannot take leave for a year or two. Maximum can be a couple of weeks, or at best, and in the rarest of rare cases, a couple of months. Otherwise he would be considered UNFIT for such a post, and would be required to put in his resignation!
---But, according to PBKs, the top-most personality in the EWD can take leave, and be ABSENT from the Yagya, for up to three decades, and YET claim that he is the 'mukrar-rath' of God, and the STUPID, BLIND PBKs just ACCEPT that, without even 'BATTING AN EYELID'!!! WHAT A SORRY STATE OF AFFAIRS, INDEED!!!

4) But, the Murli point which PBKs quote clearly says- they went into stomach of python! So, were is the question of taking leave, IN THIS CASE? So, by default itself- claim of PBKs fail. :laugh:

5) Practically, we observe that- Mr Dixit had taken leave for about six months when he had been to jail. So, at that time, IT WAS HIS DUTY TO APPOINT SOME IN-CHARGE or TITLE-HOLDER PRAJAPITA, IS IT NOT?
--- Similarly, their Jagadamba went out of Yagya from 1998. PBKs believe she will return. So, that can be considered to be a VERY LONG LEAVE - "in PBK view".
PBKs say- She has given some letter to AIVV before leaving. Has she appointed anyone as title-holder Jagadamba, in her place? Or, is the current SCAPEGOAT, Sr M alias Yogini, who has been thereafter appointed to be in-charge of the Kanyas by Virendra Dev Dixit, be considered to be the title-holder, according to the PBKs?

6) So, PBKs inadvertently imply- in PBK view- a 'LEAVE' means losing faith in ShivBaba/Yagya/knowledge (as in the case of their Sevakram and the so called two PBK sisters, whom they believe lost faith, left Yagya, and returned in another corporeal body)! See how funny, ILLOGICAL and STUPID PBK logic is!

7) More interestingly, ' PBK Sita soul' had said one thing- "When a lion leaves, some other lion comes, jungle never becomes empty"- with reference to the 'Prajapita' post/role. But, the jungle/Yagya was empty from 1969 till 1976, and for about six months when Mr Dixit was in jail.*

8) PBK 'Sita soul' had also written- "when a lioness leaves, another lioness enters (into Yagya)" - and meant this for the departure of Om Radhe (1965), and entering of sister Vedanti to gyaan (1965).
--- So- to whom Om Radhe had been title holder - to Kamala Devi or sister Vedanti? As per the above reply in the quote- Mr Dixit is saying Om radhe is title holder Jagadamba (in lieu of KDD). But, in 8), PBK 'Sita soul' relates Om Radhe to sister Vedanti*??

* - This is the result of trying to mis-interpret the Murli points. Baba had meant jungle here for lowkik, but PBKs Mr. Dixit tried to equate everything to Yagya or BK/PBK souls. In this attempt/exercise, he fell into his own trap.

9) Further, usually when a principal goes on leave, he will appoint the very next person, of his OWN LINEAGE, to his post, as in-charge. But, in PBK logic, it is totally the other way. The very next person from PBK side is not the title-holder, but the title-holder is from kourava/BK side, as per PBKs! So-

# Flaw No. 294) In PBK logic, the title-holder would always be from kourava side, can never be from pandava side.

# Flaw No. 295) Mr. Dixit murdered even the seat "in-charge" or "title-holder position":-

--Mr. Dixit fully murdered spirituality as already explained earlier. WE can see how he has distorted FACTS and instigated scorn towards the seat of title-holder or in-charge position.
------It finally shows his own arrogance as well as ignorance of- why would a pandava appoint some kourava to his seat while he is on leave! :laugh:
---By defaming others, Mr. Dixit inadvertently falls into his own trap. But, it is nothing new, as all are accurate roles within this EWD!

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 12 Aug 2016

# Flaw No. 296) A DIRECT Murli point that proves -
"No one can have names L or N in this impure world":-


1) PBKs believe Mr. Dixit and sister Vedanti get the titles Narayan and Lakshmi from 1976 itself. They also believe- Brahma Baba gets title 'Krishna' from 1936, and Mr. Dixit gets title 'Krishna' around 1980s, and their Radha gets title 'Radha' from 1936 itself. But, all these are nothing but blatant lies (MISAPPROPRIATIONS), as enough Murli points clearly say- "How can Krishna come to impure world", and "how can there be Krishna when there is Brahma", etc, etc.

2) But, PBKs like to 'turn a blind eye' towards them. Because their intellects have got like- drugged/intoxicated/addicted by the false indoctrination of Mr. Dixit.
---That is why- they feel they have great gems of knowledge/clarifications and due to that false intoxication of Maya, they are NOT ABLE to appreciate or even consider other VERY CLEAR Murli points. ----A clear example is shown- as how PBKs had fully misunderstood the Murli points regarding ADOPTION, MOUTH BORN Progeny, etc, etc. Due to this, it is quite natural for the people to believe false as true, and true as false.

3) But, the following Murli point says it even more clearly and openly. It uses the direct names - "L & N".

SM 16-9-72(2):- Guru log aise kahte hain kyaa tum vikaar may math jaavo. Vah to paavan ban_ne ki shikshaa dete nahin. Koyi ko vairaagy aataa hai to vah ghar chod bhaagte hain. Shankar NE KAHAA NA NAARI NARAK KAA DWAAR HAI. Humaaraa Baap Shivaachaary kahte hain nahin. Yah Shivaachaary hai. Shankaraachaary nahin hain. Paarvati ka Shankar to aachaary nahin thaa. AGAR Shankar PAARVATI KO KATHAA SUNAAVE TO AACHAARY HO JAVE. Vah to baath hi nahin thaharthi. Isliye yah Shivaachaary kahte hain. Yaha hai gyaan kaa sagar. Yah kahte hain naari to swarg ka dwaar hai. Main gyaan ka kalash tum maataavon ke sir par rakhtaa hun. Baaki yah patit duniyaa may Lakshmi kahaan se aayi? LN to Satyug may huye hain. TUM SAMJHAA SAKTEY HO SHANKARAACHAARY KAHTE HAIN STREE NARAK KAA DWAAR HAI. ISLIYE VAH BHAAGTE HAIN. Yahaan Shivaachaary kahte hain tumko bhaagnaa nahin hain. Tum to pavitr pravruttimaargvaale thay na. Yah shaastron may gangadi padi hai to samajhte hain vikaar shuru se hee chale aate hain. Parantu aise ho nahin saktaa. -162- [Shankar, WOT, SPO, Service]

= ......I keep 'kalash' (vessel of knowledge) on you mothers/sisters. How can Lakshmi come in this impure world? Lakshmi & Narayan would be in Golden Age. ...

4) Summary of the Murli point:-
----In lowkik, the vessel or urn of knowledge is (also) shown with Lakshmi in some incident. (In scriptures) After samudr-manthan, Lakshmi came and distributed nectar/knowledge to others.
But, Baba is saying- it is not right. The 'kalash' or urn would ACTUALLY be with Brahma and Saraswathi (braahmins). But, Brahma is made 'gupt' and saraswathi is kept in front (she is given the seat practically/externally).
---- Few supporting/relevant Murli points are below.

5)SM 16-9-82(2, 3):- Baap kahte hain main tumhaaraa Baap, teacher, Sadguru hun. ISLIYE UNKO MAATPITAA KAHTE HAIN. TUM MAATPITA JO GAATE HAIN. VAH BRAHMA Saraswati KO NAHIN KAH SAKTEY. BRAHMA THODE HI Vaikunth KAA RACHAITAA HAI. BAAP TO BAAP HAI. AUR YAH(BRAHMA) TUMHAARI Mama HAI. KALASH PAHLEY INKO (BRAHMA KO) MILTAA HAI. PARANTU Saraswati KI MAHIMAA BADHAANE LIYE UNKO AAGE RAKHAA HAI. Saraswati kaa naam godess of knowledge mash_hur hai. Vidyut mandalivaale bhi Saraswati kaa lakab rakh lete hain. Vah to jhoothi knowledge dete hain. -22-, 23 [Matpita, number one, hoshiyaar], WOT]

The real 'kalash' is with ShivBaba. Next is Brahma, next is Saraswathi, next it goes to braahmins- numberwise.
---In the Murli point above- it says- Brahma- Saraswathi are not (highest) Maatpitas. In some Murli points, Baba gives them name Maatpitas. It means they are next Maatpitas (after most beloved ShivBaba).
--But, Mr. Dixit got an opportunity to fool PBKs by taking such Murli points TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT.
---More Murli points on Maatpita are here- Post No. 06- in the same page- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... =25&t=1167

# Flaw No. 297) Do PBKs have any slightest level of RIGHTEOUS intellect?
arjun wrote:Dada Lekhraj is only Golden Age Krishna and not Confluence Age Krishna.
Do PBKs have any slightest level of intellect?
6) They give name Krishna to B baba from 1936 itself, and believe that name applies to him almost throughout the Conf. Age. They even relate BapDada (ShivBaba and Brahma) coming into body of Dadi Gulzar as ENTRANCE of 'Krishna'!

7) But,then they straightaway say- as put in the quote above- which is more than lies.

8) Interesting thing is- PBKs believe Mr. Dixit is Conf. Aged Krishna, but not
G Aged one!
Naturally, if someone holds a title in Conf. Age, and if the same title is also applicable in heaven, (PBKs believe the titles Krishna, Narayan, etc are applicable in both Conf. Age as well as heaven), then one who holds the title in Conf. Age only, would be holding it even in G Age, is it not?

9) But, as per PBKs, their Conf. Aged Krishna is holding title Krishna upto only Conf. Age, then he LOSES IT when he reaches Golden Age! ** Could there be a greater humiliation than this? :laugh:

10) But, it is still not TOO LATE. let us hope best for them, including their leader.

** - In BK logic, it is simple. One who holds highest title in Conf. Age would be holding highest title even in G Age. In Conf. Age, the highest tiles (for human beings) are B-S, and in G Age, they are R-K or L-N.
----But, as Mr. Dixit tried to invent title holder personalities, and two types of LN - one pair belonging to Conf. Age, and another pair in Golden Age, etc, etc- it just resulted in their own spiritual suicide. :laugh:

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 12 Aug 2016

Baba has said that we should not see the present form of the souls, but always see the future, perfect form of the souls.

In the Murlis it is said that these Lakshmi and Narayan are ignorant, they don’t have any knowledge, but it is also said that these Lakshmi and Narayan are intelligent, that’s why they become the masters of the world. Even if you don’t accept it refers to different Lakshmi and Narayan, you will find Baba refers to the souls from the Confluence Age, who are intelligent as Lakshmi and Narayan, he sees the future Lakshmi and Narayan.

Similarly when in the Murli it is said that this Brahma will become Krishna in the Golden Age, I don’t see why you have problem with referring to that soul as Krishna (to be). This is his future perfect form.

About 76 it is said that Lakshmi and Narayan took birth, because in 76 the Confluence Age that has been said to be of 40 years ends. After the Confluence Age the Golden Age comes.

Regarding the entrance, it is said age of retirement that is 60 years and Braham Baba was not 60 at 1936.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 12 Aug 2016

# Flaw No. 297) PBKs (inadvertently) loosen their grip on year 1976!:-
sita wrote:Baba has said that we should not see the present form of the souls, but always see the future, perfect form of the souls.
1)In that case, better give all the titles- Prajapita, Brahma, Krishna, Narayan, Shankar, etc from 1936 itself, is it not? Why do PBKs stick to date 1976?- or some 1980s or some year in the end? But-
sita wrote:So first the title of Prajapita is there, because he sows the seeds of Knowledge. When he fails he becomes Ram. When he claims his birthright, he is Narayan and when the part of destruction is played he is Shankar. Confluence aged Krishna is when there is a sudden light in the Brahmin family when in one year 9 Sisters surrender in the Advance Party and it creates some wave of amusement in the Brahmin family. Krishna means the one who attracts. Then later when through him inheritance will be obtained, he will be again Prajapita. He will also be Prajapati - the husband of the world. Meanwhile he could adopt many forms according to the situation. According to the role that is played the title will be there".
2)Now, we can see PBKs taking countless U turns in defending their arguments.

3)Also- how can True Gita and false Gita arise? See their perfect/future forms, why see the present?
Or do you believe False Gita would remain false even in the future? Or do you believe- in 1936, there had been two Gitas-one true, and the other one false, and in G Age, there would be again two Gitas, both as true?

4)Why is it said- Ram failed? Why is it not said- Krishna failed or Narayan failed? - if all the titles are applicable to one person/Dixit from 1936 itself ? You had given the meaning of Narayan as - living in knowledge, Krishna means one who attracts. Now does the word 'Ram' mean FAILURE?
In the Murlis it is said that these Lakshmi and Narayan are ignorant, they don’t have any knowledge, but it is also said that these Lakshmi and Narayan are intelligent, that’s why they become the masters of the world. Even if you don’t accept it refers to different Lakshmi and Narayan, you will find Baba refers to the souls from the Confluence Age, who are intelligent as Lakshmi and Narayan, he sees the future Lakshmi and Narayan.
5) This is already discussed. The Bk view is already put. Golden Aged LN are 'fools' as they do not have knowledge. The same LN are also intelligent, as they are Masters of the World- also having both soul and body completely pure.
When it is said that, "these Lakshmi and Narayan are ignorant", it refers to the souls of Brahma Baba & Om Radhe, when they PRACTICALLY become the VERY FIRST LN in G A, (when they NO LONGER have the Knowledge in their intellects in an EMERGED form).
When it is said that, "these Lakhshmi and Narayan are intelligent, that’s why they become the Masters of the World", it STILL refers to the VERY SAME souls of Brahma Baba & Om Radhe, when they are in the process of making effort in the Confluence Age, having been CLEARLY IDENTIFIED by God as the VERY FIRST PRACTICAL LN of G A, (when they have the Knowledge in their intellects in an EMERGED form).
It is VERY CLEAR that there is ABSOLUTELY NO SCOPE for the above two aspects to refer to TWO DIFFERENT sets of souls, but this can be appreciated ONLY by the Righteous Children or TRUE Brahmins, who EXPERIENCE the souls of Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama as their 'Alokik' Parents.
All other types of 'Brahmins' will STAUNCHLY continue to MISINTERPRET, MISREPRESENT & MISAPPROPRIATE such points, since their roles are DIFFERENT, within this EWD, and they EVIDENTLY DO NOT BELONG to the REAL BRAHMIN CLAN!

---- Baba has also said- (almost in right words)- 'LN sirf Bharat may raajy karthay hain, lekin kahney may toh aayegaa ki vishw ke maalik hain' = actually LN would be ruling in just Bharat, but in saying- it would be said that they are Masters of the World (because in RamRajya the ENTIRE WORLD is 'Bharat', and there are NO OTHER EMPIRES anywhere else in the World, at THAT TIME).
---- By the way- PBKs are yet to prove how their LN are intelligent - refer to flaw No. 238 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51364&hilit ... ent#p51364 . Their Lakshmi has no knowledge of AIVV at all! And- PBKs have absolutely no objection to call them INTELLIGENT! - :laugh:

# Flaw No. 298) PBKs are confused whether after 1976 it is Golden Age or Conf. Age !
About 76 it is said that Lakshmi and Narayan took birth, because in 76 the Confluence Age that has been said to be of 40 years ends. After the Confluence Age the Golden Age comes.
6)So, is it Golden Age from 1976? In that case, it becomes totally funny, as then PBKs cannot use title Conf. Aged LN! :laugh:
Regarding the entrance, it is said age of retirement that is 60 years and Brahma Baba was not 60 at 1936.
7)This was not the point of discussion here. Even this has already been discussed with you. Post No. 84- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... 876#p11851
---It is true that- everything said in Murlis does not match perfectly with the physical facts. But, an attempt is made to share views about this in the above link.

Brahma Baba was not 60 in 1936, ACCORDING to the physical records of the time, which are CLEARLY in ERROR, as ALREADY discussed earlier, on this forum. God Himself has CLEARLY DECLARED that Brahma Baba was 60 years old, when God entered him. But Unrighteous children are NOT EXPECTED to believe what God ACTUALLY speaks in the Murlis, since they have VOLUNTARILY chosen to believe what their bodily guru speaks, DELUSIVELY believing that same are the 'clarifications' originating from God, which is PROVED to be NOT THE CASE, AT ALL, on this forum, citing INNUMERABLE Murli points!

8) Does just pointing errors in BKWSU prove that whatever PBKs say is right?
So, if PBKs really are interested in knowledge and truth, and claim some great/special things than BKs, it is their duty to understand and prove, is it not? [Not just pointing errors in others, and just saying- some Murli points say- so and so, etc., etc.]

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 12 Aug 2016

In the beginning, the role of the father was not revealed, no one knew about him at that time, that is why we cannot give all the titles at that time. We can give all the titles after the revelation in 76. The basis for giving all the titles to one are these points in which Prajapita Brahma is compared to Krishna, Lakshmi Narayan, Shankar, as next to God. Prajapita Brahma refers to the Confluence Age, God is there in the Confluence Age and this is when souls achieve their highest status.

„Krishna is called next to God…....... Then at the second number are Lakshmi-Narayan, the Masters of the World.“[Mu 8-1-75 Pg-2]
„Prajapita Brahma is very great, is not it? He is called next to God.“[Mu.20-11-76,Pg-2 / 27-11-78,Pg-6]
„Father has explained that Shankar does not have so much of a role to play. He is next to Shiva.“[Mu 8-3-76 Pg-2]
„Father and inheritance. Next to ShivBaba are these Lakshmi & Narayan. Next to Father is Krishna.“[Mu 6-1- 76 Pg-3]

The meaning of Ram is the 'only truth'.
„At the end, while taking out the funeral procession, they say that the name of Ram is the only truth.“ [Mu 28-8- 73 Pg-1]
Ram means the one in whom the intellects of the yogis roam, one who gives rest or also Ram is said to be the purifier.

About the Ram who failed, it is about the beginning of the Yagya. At the end he becomes the final truth. There is margin to say that Narayan or Shankar, or Sangamyugi Krishna failed if it was clear at that time that these all refer to one and the same personality. At that time there was no knowledge, Murlis were not spoken, this information we have now was not there then. But technically, I think it will be also correct to say Narayan failed etc, as it is one and the same souls who become Lakshmi–Narayan and Ram-Sita.

These (i.e. Brahma-Saraswati) also know that we are going to become Lakshmi-Narayan. We are going to be Ram-Sita. [Mu 25-5-72]
In Satyug there was the rule of Lakshmi-Narayan. They only rule in Silver Age also. [Mu 9-12-72]

It is said also that there is a difference between becoming master of heaven and of the world.
„There is a difference between becoming a world Emperor and an Emperor of Satyug also. „[Av 28-1-85 Pg-146]

Here are also two points that illustrate the difference between Lakshmi and Narayan of the Confluence Age and Lakshmi and Narayan of the Golden Age.
„Now you souls become Masters of the World through this body i.e. you become God-Goddess. Father (Shiva) is God Father, but in India these Lakshmi-Narayan are called God-Goddess. „[Mu 14-12-76 Pg-1]
„Highest Father gives highest inheritance. They are Bhagvan-Bhagvati (God-Goddess). Then, at the second number are Lakshmi & Narayan, masters of Satyug.„[Mu 8-1-75 Pg-2]

It is hard for me to accept the argument that Lakshmi and Narayan being intelligent means that they are pure. Then why it is said that deities are ignorant. They are pure but ignorant. What is there a matter of intelligence in being pure if it is a matter of a result of what you have done in your past life. You were intelligent then, not now.

Baba has said about the Confluence Age that it is the age of making the impossible possible, of achieving and of celebrating. There is intelligence in following the knowledge, in having mercy on ones own self, in taking benefit. There is no intelligence in the automatic process of cause and effect, due to which pure deities are born in the Golden Age. It is also not a matter of some special art or talent to rule as it is said that it is just like a title, there is no need of ruling there as everything is automatically under control.

It is said that the more establishment, the more destruction. In 76 certainly the Golden Age must have been established in some form. If a soul renounces the world, if he does not belong to this old world, if it detaches from it, then it must start belonging to some other world, Shantidham or Sukhdham. Gates to both open simultaneously.

Baba has said that he will give us the inheritance of heaven in hell. He brings the present of heaven, he comes in a stage of the soul, the stage that souls will have in the Golden Age. He makes us achieve this stage whilst in hell. It is in hell that we have 'empty shells' which we can exchange for diamonds. On the palm of our intellect we receive the ball of the world sovereignty, of heaven. It is a business, that the more one surrenders his mind, the more he sacrifice his vices, old nature and sanskars, the more he receives the inheritance and it happens in the Confluence Age.
In 76 the birth of Lakshmi and Narayan took place, Golden Age started in some form, because they renounced the world, they destroyed the old world in their mind. The seed detached from the old tree and got mixed in the soul, to give beginning to the new three. But then it also takes time for things to become practical and in the Murli the Confluence Age is not said to be only 40 years, but also 100 years. So we have to wait for the full 100 years for the actual start of the Golden Age.

The birth of the Father has not taken place yet, as the birth of the Father and children takes place simultaneously. The Father will be revealed to the world along with his children.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 12 Aug 2016

# Flaw No. 299) PBKs inadvertently sacrifice/thrash almost whole of the knowledge or Murli points:-
sita wrote:Baba has said that we should not see the present form of the souls, but always see the future, perfect form of the souls.
1) When PBKs are not able to defend their own claims, they just say as above, so as to defend their claims to equate Brahma = Krishna(for DLR), from 1936 itself. They give title Radha to their fully impure sister from 1936 itself. BOTH OF THESE ARE TOTALLY WRONG!

But, then the whole essence fails. As Murlis clearly say- "I do not enter into Krishna, I enter into Brahma".
But, PBKs do not know what they are implying from the above quote. On one hand they say- it is OK to see/call impure Brahma as pure Krishna. By this way they are inadvertently implying Iron Age (Impure) = Golden Age (Pure).

Actually, it is very simple for any sensible person to understand that- it is wrong to equate Brahma to Krishna. But, PBKs go on justifying it by all means. But, they would be caught in their own trap at EVERY POINT. Then they just argue just in half-baked way, by taking half/isolated Murli points, that too understanding in distorted way. Let us see their way of arguments.
In the beginning, the role of the Father was not revealed, no one knew about him at that time, that is why we cannot give all the titles at that time. We can give all the titles after the revelation in 76.
2)Dear Sita soul,
You are defending/addressing only the tail/part of your claims. As said above in 1), you did not address them at all.
2) Secondly, even regarding Mr. Dixit, you again did not address properly. You had said/equated "Ram failed" as for the period 1942, by which you had given the title Ram by 1942 itself. So, now are you withdrawing what you had said before?

3) Murli point should have said- Prajapita failed- instead of Ram, is it not? - as you NOW believe/say Mr. Dixit/Sevakram is eligible for the title of just 'Prajapita' from 1937 till 1942, when he failed.

4) What about your jagadamba- she left Yagya in 1998 and is still out of Yagya. As you believe Mr. Dixit lost his title PRAJAPITA when he failed in1942, and then got it once again in 1976, do you believe PBK Jagadamba lost her title in 1998 and will recover in the end?
----And regarding sister Vedanti- whom PBKs call as Laksmi, Sita, Parvati, etc- she has not yet realized anything. So, the titles even after 1976 what you claim just fit erroneously only to Mr. Dixit, not to his soul=pair?

5) BTW- even if you claim- all the titles fit to Mr Dixit after 1976, by the argument- "In the beginning, the role of the Father was not revealed, no one knew about him at that time, that is why we cannot give all the titles at that time. We can give all the titles after the revelation in 76", it is- just arguing in half-baked way. Because as said earlier- Murli point clearly says- how can there be Krishna where Brahma is, how can LN come into impure world, etc, etc. SO YOUR JUSTIFICATION IS JUST LIKE GIVING HALF REPLY. Actually not even half, say - just upto 5 to 10%. That much certificate can be given. I agree.
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The basis for giving all the titles to one are these points in which Prajapita Brahma is compared to Krishna, Lakshmi Narayan, Shankar, as next to God. Prajapita Brahma refers to the Confluence Age, God is there in the Confluence Age and this is when souls achieve their highest status.
6)I understood it. But, it clearly violates the other several Murlis as already said. The Murli points you had listed are very great/good things. It is a great exercise what Mr. Dixit has done to explain things.
As you had said- Baba says to see future/perfect stage, Baba explains in that way too. That is why Baba sometimes says- next to God is Prajapita, next to God is Krishna or LN, etc. - meaning the soul is same in ALL the cases - Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - INDISPUTABLY!
---- But, Mr. Dixit went one step ahead in acting superior to ShivBaba and directly equated "Brahma = Krishna, Conf. Age = G Age, braahmins = deities, etc" , which then implied- God enters in Krishna, etc., as already said - thus carrying out the 'shooting' or Ravan Rajya.
„Krishna is called next to God…... Then at the second number are Lakshmi-Narayan, the Masters of the World.“[Mu 8-1-75 Pg-2]
7) In PBK logic, Lakshmi can never get first/second rank. She is not in the top 8 jewels, but only soul-pair cowardice soul. PBKs believe she undergoes punishment- already discussed.
About the Ram who failed, it is about the beginning of the Yagya. At the end he becomes the final truth. There is margin to say that Narayan or Shankar, or Sangamyugi Krishna failed if it was clear at that time that these all refer to one and the same personality. At that time there was no knowledge, Murlis were not spoken, this information we have now was not there then. But technically, I think it will be also correct to say Narayan failed etc, as it is one and the same souls who become Lakshmi–Narayan and Ram-Sita.
8) Your arguments fail as Murli points never say so, also you had given the name Ram to Mr. Dixit from 1942 itself - already explained.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 13 Aug 2016

# Flaw No. 300) Discussion on few Murli points which leave room for misinterpretation:-
sita wrote:a)These (i.e.. Brahma-Saraswati) also know that we are going to become Lakshmi-Narayan. We are going to be Ram-Sita. [Mu 25-5-72]

b)In Satyug there was the rule of Lakshmi-Narayan. They only rule in Silver Age also.[Mu 9-12-72]

It is said also that there is a difference between becoming master of heaven and of the world.
c) „There is a difference between becoming a world Emperor and an Emperor of Satyug also. „[Av 28-1-85 Pg-146]
1) Good points dear. This shows how Murli points are misunderstood, and also leave room for misinterpretation.

----I believe there is a small error in the translation of c) above.
---I have read an Avyakt Murli point, (almost in right words) "Nar se Narayan ban_naa badi baath naheen, nar se Narayan Vishw Maharaj ban_naa badee baath hai.= To become Narayan from human is not a great thing. To become World Emperor is a great thing."

---- I will try to get Hindi words of the Murli/Vani. If you have, you may put them.

2)Mr. Dixit conveniently misuses and adulterates the Murli points, and most of the PBKs do not have the ability to question/perceive it. Even if he is questioned, Mr. Dixit just gives vague replies, and the aspirant/student is suppressed and ignored, as few examples have already been given on this forum earlier.

3) Now to the point. So, I believe- in G Age, there would be many L-N*, of them one would be World Emperor LN. So, similarly, in Silver Age, there would be more number of R-S. Of them one pair would be the same who had become B-S in Conf Age, who only become first World Sovereigns in G Age. YET TO HAVE FULL IDEA ABOUT THIS- as Baba has still not fully explained in Murlis.
Not sure- which R-S among these - B baba and Mama (whom BKs believe would be first LN) would be in Silver Age.

* - Post No. 43 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... yein#p4110
It is hard for me to accept the argument that Lakshmi and Narayan being intelligent means that they are pure. Then why it is said that deities are ignorant. They are pure but ignorant. What is there a matter of intelligence in being pure if it is a matter of a result of what you have done in your past life. You were intelligent then, not now.
4) It depends on the CONTEXT. I believe it is not wrong to say- "purity is intelligence". IS IT? Even in this world, it is said- "child is Father of man".
But, in another context, obviously, (if we take knowledge in awareness sense), deities are ignorant.
---BTW even after the following truth (refer to flaw No. 301- below ** ), it is very simple for you to accept Mr. Dixit is intelligent since 1976! :prize:

See a CLEAR example here - Post No. 99- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... &start=130.
---THIS IS A CLEAR PROOF that PBKs have misunderstood about this issue - See BHAGAVAANU VAACH - "Vaastav may aadi sanaatan devi devata dharm kahnaa wrong hai." who HIMSELF had said several times- "aadi sanaatan devi devata dharm".
----Read the adjacent sentences too, which further fully explains the same thing even more.

5) Also- note the Murli point in post No. 43- in the above link. It says- "jo bhee rajaayein honge, vishw mahaaraajan hee kahlaayeige = Any King would be called as World Emperor" [Post No. 42 is also worth to be noted].

6) There is a saying- "Do not leave the bird in hand, for the two in the bushes". So, while trying to understand the context, take care that you do not go against several other Murli points. This is simple logic, which actually any 'Gyani tu atma' should understand first, is it not?


** Flaw No. 301) Intelligence of Mr. Dixit and PBK trimurtis:-

** - BTW- I think- it would be foolishness to say- Mr Dixit is intelligent, as
----PBKs believe from 1976 till almost end, he would be controlled by the Bull/Ghost, and
----His body is misused to such an extent that- Mr. Dixit even had slapped some sister during Amrit Vela.
---He even dozes while giving drushti.
---He even went to jail for six months. During his arrest, a great fear was found on his face.
----His own Jagadamba left him and his children, since 1998, and is out of Yagya till date.

----His Lakshmi has not yet recognized him.
----And, most of all, Mr. Dixit needs/depends on countless Murli points, with dates, to prove his stance.
---Mr Dixit committed a great error in his date of birth, which he corrected only just recently when someone questioned it.
---He even could not determine the date of birth of his previous birth, or those of his Lakshmi and Jagadamba.
---He could not say- what would be future status/role of his Jagadamba in heaven. Who would he her soul-pair, etc.

---He earlier placed Premkanta as Jagadamba and when she failed, then only gave that seat to Kamala Devi.
----He says- his Jagadamba is false Gita! and is on eclipse, suffering atrocity from his/her own child!
---He could not rectify simple errors in Murlis and had given highly erroneous interpretations.
----His children PBKs also have committed errors, including you. Some PBKs have given statements which mutually contradict themselves!

---His prediction dates failed- initially, it was 1998, which was then postponed to 2008- that too failed. Then it has been said as- 2016, when the whole world would realize Mr. Dixit as Chariot of God, as well as World Emperor. Do you think by the end of this year it is going to happen?
----Moreover, as the Father, so should be the children. But, PBKs absolutely do not have any capacity to churn by themselves, and just do copy and paste on the forum or elsewhere. Is this intelligence?

Do you still like to claim/believe Mr Dixit is intelligent Narayan from 1976 till end?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 13 Aug 2016

# Flaw No. 302) Another CLEAR negligence of PBKs:-

This is addition to flaw No. 300) above.
sita wrote: c) "There is a difference between becoming a world Emperor and an Emperor of Satyug also." [Av 28-1-85 Pg-146]
1)The point you have given is right. There is no error. It is in beginning of page 1.
----The Murli is here- - http://www.bkdrluhar.com/00-Avyakt%20Mu ... 1.1985.pdf
---BUT- In the next page- it is also said- "Mansaa seva ab teevr karo, tab 9 lakh taiyyar honge. Abhee golden Jubilee tak kitnee sankhyaa banee hai? Satyug kee diamond jubilee tak 9 lakh toh chaahiye na. Naheen toh Vishw raajan kis par raajy karegaa? 9 lakh taarey gaaye huye hain".

= Make the service through mind more fast, then 9 lakh would be ready. Now, till the Golden Jubilee (year 1986), how many have become? (mostly it was around 1.5 lakh BKs during around 1985). For the diamond jubilee of Golden Age, there is need of 9 lakhs, is it not? Else, on whom the WORLD EMPEROR WOULD RULE? There is praise of 9 lakh stars.

2)Dear Sita soul,
In the same Murli, it is almost clearly said- World Emperor would rule over 9 lakhs, (but PBKs believe it is 7 billions- right?).

Do you still like to say- Mr Dixit who gave you, or put in the PBK literature the above Murli point is intelligent (without reading the whole Murli?) Is it not a clear negligence and foolishness on the part of PBKs to BLINDLY ACCEPT some assumption, without EXAMINING the whole Murli/Vani and ascertaining whether the assumption is made, based on the CORRECT CONTEXT of the WHOLE Murli/Vani?

3) A Note:- In this Murli, Baba has used a RARE word- "Vishw rajan" - instead of "Vishw Maharajan". Actually, the correct word is the latter one, is it not? But, why Baba has said so (not fully accurate). Because it is already implied there. There is no need for God to be grammatically right in everything, because he is speaking to 'Gyani tu atmas' who understand by 'ishaaareys' or signs, as well.

4)But, PBKs on one hand claim they are 'gyaani tu atmas' who have ability to understand from 'ishaareys' or signs, but we can see here- they fail to understand even the right words.

5) Now, if you have some different interpretation from AIVV side for the above (Vishw rajan), you may kindly put it.

6)Baba is also saying there- "Diamond Jubilee of Golden Age". Murli is dance of Baba. So sometimes Baba is saying in that way. Baba is actually pointing towards the year 1996 which is the diamond jubilee of Yagya (Conf. Age)- not of Golden Age.
---- We can see almost in every year- during Avyakt BapDada's milan at Madhuban on Dec 31st new year celebration, Baba says- "Naye saal aur naye yug kee mubaarak ho.= Compliments of new year and New Age- NOT JUST NEW YEAR"
Baba's intention is to take children's intellect towards the Golden Age. That is- even while being in Conf. Age, we should also feel the Golden Age. Hence Baba says so.

* - But, PBKs have room to misinterpret this as - "Baba has said this for diamond jubilee of Conf. Age". They do so, and then end up in their own endless spiritual suicides.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 13 Aug 2016

Certainly we make difference between what is Brahma and what is Krishna.We have never said that God enters in Krishna. Krishna is a pure soul in a pure body in the Golden Age. There is no God in the Golden Age. When we say that the Supreme Soul enters into the soul of Krishna, it means in the body in which the soul of Krishna is in his last birth - Brahma Baba. Because if we say Brahma for us it is a name of many.

Brahma is an incomplete, effort making form. Krishna is a complete form. Brahmins are incomplete, deities are complete, but it is possible that turning from brahmins to deities (via angels) happens in the same body. Baba has said that this body will be rejuvenated. So the complete effort of the brahmins culminates in a deity form.

The part of the deities of the Confluence Age and the Golden Aged deities are different. In the Confluence Age it is the Supreme Soul who plays the part of Brahma, Shankar etc. And it is these roles from the Confluence Age that get depicted in the scriptures. There is no churning of the ocean in the Golden Age, no Kansa, no Ravan.
1)The point you have given is right. There is no error. It is in beginning of page 1.
----The Murli is here- - http://www.bkdrluhar.com/00-Avyakt%20Mu ... 1.1985.pdf
---BUT- In the next page- it is also said- "Mansaa seva ab teevr karo, tab 9 lakh taiyyar honge. Abhee golden Jubilee tak kitnee sankhyaa banee hai? Satyug kee diamond jubilee tak 9 lakh toh chaahiye na. Naheen toh Vishw raajan kis par raajy karegaa? 9 lakh taarey gaaye huye hain".

= Make the service through mind more fast, then 9 lakh would be ready. Now, till the Golden Jubilee (year 1986), how many have become? (mostly it was around 1.5 lakh BKs during around 1985). For the diamond jubilee of Golden Age, there is need of 9 lakhs, is it not? Else, on whom the WORLD EMPEROR WOULD RULE? There is praise of 9 lakh stars.
9 lakhs represent the number of the subjects of the first birth. When these become ready the complete kingdom of the first birth gets ready and these 9 lakhs will be revealed to the world as the 9 lakhs stars of the sky who will shine the light of knowledge to the world. The Father will be revealed along with his children.

Moreover you can see in the point is mentioned the diamond jubilee of Satyug. Certainly it is about the diamond jubilee of the Confluence Age counting from 1936 and not diamond jubilee of the Golden Age counting from 0-0-0.
** Flaw No. 301) Intelligence of Mr. Dixit:-

** - BTW- I think- it would be foolishness to say- Mr Dixit is intelligent, as
----PBKs believe from 1976 till almost end, he would be controlled by the Bull/Ghost, and
----His body is misused to such an extent that- Mr. Dixit even had slapped some Sister during Amrit Vela.
---He even dozes while giving drushti.
---He even went to jail for six months.
----His own Jagadamba left him and his children, since 1998, and is out of Yagya till date.

----His Lakshmi has not yet recognized him.
----And, most of all, Mr. Dixit needs/depends on countless Murli points, with dates, to prove his stance.
---Mr Dixit committed a great error in his date of birth, which he corrected only just recently when someone questioned it.
---He even could not determine the date of birth of his previous birth, or those of his Lakshmi and Jagadamba.
---He could not say- what would be future status/role of his Jagadamba in heaven. Who would he her soul-pair, etc.

---He earlier placed Premkanta as Jagadamba and when she failed, then only gave that seat to Kamala Devi.
----He says- his Jagadamba is false Gita! and is on eclipse, suffering atrocity from his/her own child!
---He could not rectify simple errors in Murlis and had given highly erroneous interpretations.
----His children PBKs also have committed errors, including you. Some PBKs have given statements which mutually contradict themselves!

---His prediction dates failed- initially, it was 1998, which was then postponed to 2008- that too failed. Then it has been said as- 2016, when the whole world would realize Mr. Dixit as Chariot of God, as well as World Emperor. Do you think by the end of this year it is going to happen?
----Moreover, as the Father, so should be the children. But, PBKs absolutely do not have any capacity to churn by themselves, and just do copy and paste on the forum or elsewhere. Is this intelligence?

Do you still like to claim/believe Mr Dixit is intelligent Narayan from 1976 till end?
The intelligence that ShivBaba speaks about is not the worldly intelligence. In the world there are many smart and intelligent people, this intelligence may impress many, but this intelligence is also used in a negative way for creating means for destruction. The intelligence that ShivBaba speaks about refers to the mind being satopradhan. You have yourself stated that. Purity of the mind is what we aim and not some special intelligence. Yes, we need the eye of the intellect to understand the soul, the Supreme Soul. Not more than that.

We do copy and paste. Baba has said that we are parrots. It is said that we have come at a good time when butter in already churned. We have come at the time of eating. We have not come in the time of churning. We don't have to make much effort. It is a very easy effort to eat.

Whatever mistakes may be there will be rectified.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 13 Aug 2016

Flaw No. 301) Intelligence of Mr. Dixit:-
** - BTW- I think- it would be foolishness to say- Mr Dixit is intelligent, as
----PBKs believe from 1976 till almost end, he would be controlled by the Bull/Ghost
Not true.
----His body is misused to such an extent that- Mr. Dixit even had slapped some Sister during Amrit Vela.
Not true.
---He even dozes while giving drushti.
Never seen that.
---He even went to jail for six months.
What does this have to do with intelligence. It was a false accusation.
----His own Jagadamba left him and his children, since 1998, and is out of Yagya till date.
Whose intelligence are you speaking about?
----His Lakshmi has not yet recognized him.
Whose intelligence are you speaking about?
----And, most of all, Mr. Dixit needs/depends on countless Murli points, with dates, to prove his stance.
Is it bad to study the Murli? I think this is sign of intelligence.
---Mr Dixit committed a great error in his date of birth, which he corrected only just recently when someone questioned it.
Dates of birth of many people are not certain in India, because of the lack of documentation. Some date of birth has been given, by someone else.
---He even could not determine the date of birth of his previous birth, or those of his Lakshmi and Jagadamba.
How could he?
---He could not say- what would be future status/role of his Jagadamba in heaven. Who would he her soul-pair, etc.
How could he?
---He earlier placed Premkanta as Jagadamba and when she failed, then only gave that seat to Kamala Devi.
Where do you have this information from?
----He says- his Jagadamba is false Gita! and is on eclipse, suffering atrocity from his/her own child!
Jagadamba means that all the world are her children. And in today's world mothers are influenced by the children. Mother earth indeed suffers atrocities from the children. But when nature is pure, it is true, happiness giving, etc.
---He could not rectify simple errors in Murlis and had given highly erroneous interpretations.
If someone has made mistake in the Murli it is his fault, why would someone else rectify that. With regards the clarifications I think they are very good.
----His children PBKs also have committed errors, including you. Some PBKs have given statements which mutually contradict themselves!
Whose intelligence are you speaking about? There is variety of children. I don't know which errors you speak about, but I know this is what you try to find, and find that even where there are no errors.
---His prediction dates failed- initially, it was 1998, which was then postponed to 2008- that too failed. Then it has been said as- 2016, when the whole world would realize Mr. Dixit as Chariot of God, as well as World Emperor. Do you think by the end of this year it is going to happen?
Never heard of these predictions.
----Moreover, as the Father, so should be the children. But, PBKs absolutely do not have any capacity to churn by themselves, and just do copy and paste on the forum or elsewhere. Is this intelligence?
Whose intelligence are you speaking about? But we also do churn. There are several point that no BK could answer so far, so to you it may seem we repeat them, but it is because someone could answer them.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 14 Aug 2016

# Flaw No. 303) More examples of speaking lies and spiritual suicides:-
sita wrote:Certainly we make difference between what is Brahma and what is Krishna.
1) True. You state the difference (only to twist the Murli point). When in Murli it is said- "Krishna took birth" which actually refers to physical birth of Golden Age Krishna (not just a feeling for B Baba that he becomes Krishna in 1936), PBKs take it opposite way, PBKs take it for year 1936, whereas actually the Murli point refers it to much later- to G Age.

Murli point says- See error No. 29 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593&start=105.

OK, Mr. Dixit misinterpreted the Murli point. PBKs blindly agreed. Then they have been caught there. As Murli point clearly says- Radha took birth AFTER Krishna, and MANY OTHERS are also mentioned.
But, in "PBK view"- Radha/Vedanti FIRST took birth and THEN Krishna(DLR). Also- in PBK view- there were NO OTHER PERSONS AT ALL- except the four - in 1936 incident
!
- (in the incident created by PBKs - what PBKs claim)!
---So- before commenting, please read properly.
We have never said that God enters in Krishna.
2) Again just a DIVERSIONARY lie. It is already IMPLIED there.
----FURTHERMORE- if you want, PBKs believe that-"All the Murli points are for the incidents in Conf Age.***" And, they put allegations on BKWSU that- due to the insertion of name "Pitaashree" in Sakar Murlis, Gita/Murli became false! [Read below]
Certainly we make difference between what is Brahma and what is Krishna
Now- do you think BKs are not able to differentiate between Brahma and Krishna? Still PBKs put false allegations on BKs. A Murli point already shown to you - which certifies "God of Gita to be Brahma"- already shown to you several times. Then what is the point in allegations made above.
Now, you reply in a childish way- We have ability to differentiate between Brahma and Krishna! For what purpose? Have I ever said- PBKs do not have that ability? Main point is- whether we are using it in the CORRECT CONTEXT.

*** - Who in Conf Age (BKs or PBKs) believe God enters in Krishna? Every BK/PBK has ability to differentiate between Brahma/Chariot and Krishna. Then why should Baba say- I do not enter into Krishna? TO WHOM? Obviously to lowkik people. They cannot differentiate between the God's Chariot (God's role) and deity Krishna.
---- So, without understanding the real thing, PBKs put allegations on Shiv_Vamshi BKs, but when reply is given to them in the same way, they argue in a different/childish way.

You can see how these own false allegations resulted just in spiritual suicide of Mr. Dixit and his followers. - flaw No. 172 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51147&hilit ... ass#p51147

---- So- PBKs CANNOT REPLY TO THE POINTS PUT IN THE SAME WAY AS THEY PUT TO OTHERS
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But, it seems that you are not able to recognize the depth of the PIT into which PBKs have fallen, as being in deep 'kumbhkarna' sleep.
9 lakhs represent the number of the subjecst of the first birth.
3)You did not reply to the point at all. The point was- about World Emperor and King of Satyug. Is 9 lakh population of Golden Age or end of Kalpa - which PBKs think Mr Dixit rules the whole world (= the whole world would recognize him)?
DOES IN PBK VIEW- WORLD EMPEROR RULES JUST 9 LAKH SOULS?
Moreover you can see in the point is mentioned the diamond jubilee of Satyug. Certainly it is about the diamond jubilee of the Confluence Age counting from 1936 and not diamond jubilee of the Golden Age counting from 0-0-0.
4) You failed again.
The Murli point says- the population should be 9 lakh during diamond jubilee of Golden Age.
Here, you might have directly equated G Age = Conf Age. a clear lie ....But there is DEFINITELY ROOM TO MISINTERPRET WHAT YOU HAD JUST DONE. This is what Mr Dixit or his followers try to do. That is OK. You can be happy for a while.
---But- the Murli point says- the population by the diamond jubilee would be 9 lakh. Which age does this population refer to? YOU or any PBK can address only to part of an issue. Did number of BKs became 9 lakh by 1996 [1936 + 60]? It was much lesser in 1996 (within 4 lakhs I believe)**.
----Now, you should understand that- Baba had given aim/motivation to reach 9 lakhs by 1996, but it did not happen.

----Similarly, Baba had given aim as 1976 to motivate, but did not happen, as children would be lagging, when compared to ShivBaba.
---But, Mr. Dixit took 1976 as the aim and started to misinterpret the Murli points, resulting only in spiritual suicides. By default itself (sticking to 1976), - he took second class position - flaw No. 135 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51005&hilit ... ass#p51005. :laugh:
[See the comment No. 06 in the flaw No. 302 above which is now added.]

**5) - Actually, in PBK view- in 1996 - Mr. Dixit whom PBKs believe is world emperor should rule at least 9 lakhs, so AIVV population should be at least 9 lakhs as on 1996. But, even then they fail- because their goal is 7 billion.
You may take any way, your arguments fail, (except in the twisted way)!

BTW- A comment on World Emperor is here- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... 7&start=10 .
I do not believe a human being will rule on 7 billion human beings- what PBKs imply. Then he will go above God.
But, PBKs believe - all the human souls will salute one Dixit or point of light in one Dixit- [but they use the SS point of light just as scapegoat and give title World Emperor to human being]. In this way- the HK Hood of Mr. Dixit resulted in his own spiritual suicide.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 14 Aug 2016

Not true.....Not true. Never seen that. ...
I have personally seen Mr. Dixit dozing while giving drushti in his VCD, and have mentioned in this forum, and arjun had accepted it- and had replied that- he does long tours, so not a big issue.
- viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1991&p=42161&hilit=dozing#p42161

Regarding the jail, an ex-PBK had said that he PERSONALLY observed PANIC & FEAR on face of Mr Dixit when police arrived to arrest him. The same ex-PBK had written on the forum that- he was present when Mr. Dixit slapped a sister during Amrit Vela.
Arjun knows all these things, as he had interacted with the member.
- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2425&p=49950&hilit=slapped#p49950
- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2440&p=43241&hilit=slapped#p43241

(The name of the RENOWEND Sister is Shanta, from South India, and this incident occurred due to jealousy between this Sister and Kamala Devi, who were both INTIMATELY CLOSE to Virendra Dev Dixit, at the time, BOTH of them indulging in physical sexual intercourse with him FREQUENTLY, and who were quarreling over some intimate issues, when Mr. Dixit intervened and slapped Sr Shanta, after which she YELLED LOUDLY & FRANTICALLY - 'mar dalo, mar dalo' or 'KILL ME, KILL ME'!!! Witnessing this incident, several PBKs who were personally present at the time LEFT AIVV thereafter)!!!
Whose intelligence are you speaking about?
His Lakshmi has not yet recognized him.
Trimurtis are closely related, so it is mentioned in that context. Is it wrong? These all show the understanding ability of PBKs.
Dates of birth of many people is not certain in India, because of the lack of documentation. Some date of birth has been given, by someone else.
That was not the point here. Mr. Dixit should have recognized very soon, is it not? OK, lowkik people might have mentioned the DOB of Mr. Dixit as 1st Feb 1942. Why should Mr. Dixit and his followers mention the same date in their blogs, when they believe Sevakram left body in 1942. DID NOT THE INTELLECT OF MR DIXIT RECOGNIZE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A GAP OF AT LEAST 4 TO 5 MONTHS WOMB PERIOD? What does this have to do with Indian atmosphere?
"He even could not determine the date of birth of his previous birth, or those of his Lakshmi and Jagadamba".

How could he?
Then for what purpose is he there? Just to comment DOB of others?
---He could not say- what would be future status/role of his Jagadamba in heaven. Who would he her soul-pair, etc.

How could he?
PBKs believe that they are pravruttimarg people. In BKWSU, the result of soul-pair was announced together.
So, I think- if PBKs put their kamala Devi in Trimurti picture, and believe she is so special, that - she has no mother at all, she is first Brahma, she is real 'Cow', etc, etc- then it looks awkward that they still could not give any clarifications on her.
---He earlier placed Premkanta as Jagadamba and when she failed, then only gave that seat to Kamala Devi.

Where do you have this information from?
Flaw No. 118 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=50885&hilit ... nta#p50885
He could not rectify simple errors in Murlis and had given highly erroneous interpretations.

If someone has made mistake in the Murli it is his fault, why would someone else rectify that. With regards the clarifications I think they are very good.
Again a lie. He had committed mistakes by himself too. Already shown in the forum. [Of course, some may be from BK side. But, you see mistakes from Bk side did not make them understand wrongly. But, PBKs only fell into the pit :laugh: ]
His children PBKs also have committed errors, including you. Some PBKs have given statements which mutually contradict themselves!

Whose intelligence are you speaking about? There is variety of children. I don't know which errors you speak about, but I know this is what you try to find and find that even where there are no errors.
PBK harikrishna says one thing, some other PBk says some other thing. Already put. You may search in this topic.
His prediction dates failed- initially, it was 1998, which was then postponed to 2008- that too failed. Then it has been said as- 2016, when the whole world would realize Mr. Dixit as Chariot of God, as well as World Emperor. Do you think by the end of this year it is going to happen?

Never heard of these predictions.
Regarding 2016 and 2018- flaw No. 170 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51138&hilit=2016#p51138

Regarding 2008- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... 008#p15003 or

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhyatmik ... _Vidyalaya .

A PBK who interacted with me during 2004/5, had given me the date 2007/8 as year of revelation of top 8 jewels in AIVV.

Regarding 1998 - some member has put here. And, I also have personally heard from ex PBKs.

Nothing to worry. Even if all these lies are spoken by PBKs, it is perfectly accurate as per drama. All the best. CARRY ON CLEO!!!

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 14 Aug 2016

1) True. You state the difference. But, when in Murli it is said- Krishna took birth which actually refers to physical birth of Golden Age Krishna (not just a feeling for B Baba that he becomes Krishna in 1936), PBKs take it opposite way, PBKs take it for year 1936, whereas actually the Murli point refers it to much later. 
I don't know which point are you talking about. It is possible it speaks about the Golden Age. Please, bring that or some other specific point we can discuss.
OK, Mr. Dixit misinterpreted the murlipoint. PBKs blindly agreed. Then they have been caught there. As Murli point clearly says- Radha took birth AFTER Krishna, and MANY OTHERS are also mentioned. But, in PBK view- Radha/Vedanti first took birth and then Krishna(Lekhraj Kirpalani). And- there were no other person at all - in 1936 incident! - what PBKs have created 
In the Confluence Age the soul of Narayan gets revealed in the Brahmin family first and Lakshmi later.
2) Again just a DIVERSIONARY lie. It is already IMPLIED there. 
----Further-more if you want, PBKs believe that-"All the Murli points are for the incidents in Conf. Age." And, they put allegations on BKWSU that- due to the insertion of name Pitaashree in Sakar Murlis, Gita/Murli became false! [Read below]
No. I have never said God enters Krishna. And why would I. Do I believe God enters Krishna from the Golden Age. No. I might have said that he enters the soul of Krishna and I have explained what it means – the body of the soul who is to become Krishna, that is Brahma.

It is true that before 36, Brahma Baba did not refer to himself as a soul who would become the first leaf in the Golden Age. This knowledge or realization becomes present in his mind, how, it does not matter. But this is a fact you cannot deny. If you do not wish to call that revelation like birth, I agree, because this is also not what we call the birth of Krishna. You have understood wrongly, because Baba has said that the consequence is Shivjayanti – Gitajayanti – Krishnajayanti. You can ask any PBK or consult our classes and you will find that for us not even Shivjayanti has taken place yet, leave alone Krishnajayanti. With regards the birth of Krishna in the Golden Age, we do regard it as a fact, but we believe that this is not the occurrence that is depicted in the scriptures and in the scriptures are depicted moments of the Confluence Age.

The birth of Krishna as with the birth of any other soul, passes through various stages. First the seed is sown, then the baby grows in the womb and then it is revealed to the world. You could equate the occurrences from the beginning of the Yagya to sowing of seed.
 "God of Gita to be Brahma"
Even if this Brahma leaves, whoever I enter has to be named Brahma.
Then what is the point in allegations said above.
Now, you reply in a childish way- We have ability to differentiate between Brahma and Krishna! For what purpose do PBKs have ability? You may say- even we too read Murlis, etc, etc, etc.
You have made the matter seem that PBKs are not able to differentiate and say that God enters Krishna. I liked to make sure that to our mind it does not happen.
3)You did not reply to the point at all. The point was- about World Emperor and king of Satyug. Is 9 lakh population of Golden Age or end of Kalpa - which PBKs think Mr Dixit rules the whole world (= the whole world would recognize him)?
DOES IN PBK VIEW- WORLD EMPEROR RULES JUST 9 LAKH SOULS? 
You say I do not reply to the point, but you don't understand. 9 lakhs are his children it means children who follow Shrimat, who accept him as his Father. All souls are his children, but in the Murlis also it is said about 'sautele' and 'matele bache' - own and ...not own children. These 9 laks are his own children and it is through these 9 lakh who are connected to all the other children that he rules over the entire world.
4) You failed again. [ See the point No. 06 in the flaw No. 300 above] . It says- the population should be 9 lakh during diamond jubilee of Golden Age. Here, you might have directly equated G Age = Conf. Age- a clear lie, but there is DEFINITELY ROOM TO MISINTERPRET WHAT YOU HAD JUST DONE. This is what Mr Dixit or his followers try to do. That is OK.
So do you say that it is about diamond jubilee of the Golden Age - means the 75th year after the year 1-1-1. But it is said that there are 9 lakhs in the beginning, so how many are there in 1-1-1? If there are 9 lakhs in 1-1-75. in 1-1-1 they must be less.

Also BapDada encourages souls to make efforts about these souls in the Confluence Age and the reference is about the diamond jubilee in the Confluence Age.
Regarding the jail, an ex-PBK had said that he PERSONALLY observed PANIC & FEAR on face of Mr Dixit when police arrived to arrest him. The same ex-PBK had written on the forum that- he was present when Mr. Dixit slapped a Sister during Amrit Vela. Arjun knows all these things, as he had interacted with the member. 
Regarding the slapping at Amrit Vela, it has to be confirmed if it has happened. Arjun has given his opinion. We don't know which soul works. Responsibility lies with the corporeal.

With regard to fear on the face it is a subjective judgement. If there was some more solid proof like if there had been some words spoken or some act performed it would be more clear.
I have personally seen Mr. Dixit dozing while giving drushti, and have mentioned in this forum, and arjun had accepted it- and had replied that- he does long tours, so not a big issue.
Even after he does long tours, he is very much alert.
Trimurtis are closely related, so can be spoken here. Is it wrong? These all show the understanding ability of PBKs.
There must be some difference in the intelligence in the Trimurti as Baba has said in the Murli that there is one lion in the Trimurti and one is a goat and one is a horse.
Then for what purpose is he there? Just to comment DOB of others?
You commented on a date of birth with respect to that date matching the PBK knowledge, but I think you also accept the reason why and how mistakes in date of birth can occur.
PBKs believe that they are pravruttimarg people. In BKWSU, the result of soul-pair was announced together. So, I think- if PBKs put their kamala Devi in Trimurti picture, and believe she is so special, that - she has no mother at all, she is first Brahma, she is real cow, etc, etc- then it looks awkward that they still could not give any clarification on her.
Yes, deities will be revealed as couples, but we should concentrate on the role each soul plays in the Confluence Age. Some part may not be yet revealed, but may be revealed later. But each soul will first realize his own part and reveal it to others through his thinking, words and actions.
Ask arjun. He did wrong accusation on others, and been caught - 
I don't understand what you say. Did Arjun tell you that Premkanta was made Jagadamba? What accusation on others was he making? Of what was he caught?
PBK harikrishna says one thing, some other PBK says some other thing. Already put. You may search in this topic. 
You generalize, but you could bring some concrete examples where difference of opinion has occurred.
Again lie. He had committed mistakes by himself too. Already shown in the forum. [Of course, some may be from BK side. But, you see mistakes from BK side did not make them understand wrongly. But, PBKs only fell into the pit]
I am not aware about what mistake you speak about.
Again plain lie.
Regarding 2016 and 2018- flaw No. 170 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51138&hilit=2016#p51138
Regarding 2008- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... 008#p15003 or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhyatmik ... _Vidyalaya .
A PBK who interacted with me during 2004/5, had given me the date 2007/8 as year of revelation of top 8 jewels in AIVV. 
Regarding 1998 - some member has put here. And, I also have personally heard from ex PBKs.
2016 is when 40-50 years to become from tamopradhan to satopradhan end, counting from 76. It is a matter of calculation.

2008 was said about the interval before the third figure starts revealing.

Please provide information about 1998. It is the year of what? What is the calculation?


= RESPONSE =
BKWSU AV 03.11.1981, Revised 14.08.2016 wrote: आज दूरदेश में रहने वाले परदेशी बाप अपने बच्चों से मिलने आये हैं।
Today, the Father, the Foreigner from the Far-Away Land, has come to meet His Children.
Who is THIS Father, the Foreigner from the Far-Away Land, (‘परदेशी बाप’), who has come to meet His Children, (ALONG WITH Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, through his subtle body, using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, at Mt Abu)???

According to the STAUNCH, DELUSIVE BELIEFS of the PBKs, who have been TREACHEROUSLY INDOCTRINATED by their bodily guru, Virendra Dev Dixit

a) It CANNOT be Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – since, ACCORDING to THEM, God CANNOT enter the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, (since she is a ‘pavitra kanya’ or ‘pure spinster’)!

b) It CANNOT be REAL Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR – since, ACCORDING to THEM, Brahma Baba was only the ‘title-holder’ ‘Prajapita’, and the Senior Mother (‘Badi Maa’), (when he was in his corporeal body, until 1969), but he is NOT the ‘Alokik’ Father of Humanity, even thereafter, since he has no corporeal body of his own!

c) It also CANNOT be the ‘Prajapita’ of the PBKs since, (i) ACCORDING to THEM, Shiva is ALWAYS COMBINED with their ‘Prajapita’, whom they address as ‘ShivBaba’ – hence if their ‘Prajapita’ enters the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, Shiva or God would also have to enter along with him, which they STAUNCHLY REFUTE, as in (a) above. Also, (ii) they have not claimed, so far, that their ‘Prajapita’ delivers the AVs, since they are DELUSIVELY made to believe that ONLY Brahma Baba or soul of DLR delivers the AVs through the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar.

d) It also CANNOT be Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God THROUGH the subtle body of REAL Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, in Subtle Region, who has come to meet His Children, by emerging their consciousness in the Subtle Region - since, ACCORDING to THEM, God DOES NOT enter the subtle body of Avyakt Brahma, in the Subtle Region!

Thus, this SINGLE SENTENCE from this AV, EFFECTIVELY ‘CHECK-MATES’ the STAUNCH, DELUSIVE BELIEFS of the PBKs, who have been TREACHEROUSLY INDOCTRINATED by their bodily guru, Virendra Dev Dixit!

NOW, the ONUS lies with their bodily guru, Virendra Dev Dixit, (TREACHEROUSLY claiming to be ‘ShivBaba’, and BLINDLY ACCLAIMED by the PBKs), to LOGICALLY EXPLAIN, ACCORDING to his DELUSIVE BELIEF SYSTEM, as to who EXACTLY is “this Father, the Foreigner from the Far-Away Land, who came to meet His Children”, at Mt Abu, through the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, on the particular day in question!

Instead of wasting PRECIOUS time in just ‘BEATING AROUND the BUSH’, to and fro, with the SAME spiritual GARBAGE, again and again, ANY SINCERE DEDICATED PBK is INVITED to kindly CHECK DIRECTLY with Virendra Dev Dixit himself, and revert with proper clarification, here on this forum, for the benefit of ALL concerned!!! Such ACTION would be very much appreciated, by ALL concerned!
UNLESS and UNTIL the REAL SPIRITUAL HEAVENLY GOD-Father IS FIRST POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED, just 'MEDDLING' & 'FIDDLING' with the Imperishable Jewels of Knowledge, and 'SOILING' them with the 'FILTH' of body-consciousness, would not BENEFIT any soul in REALITY!

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 15 Aug 2016

# Flaw No. 304) PBKs will have no (intellectual) place to stand:-
sita wrote:I don't know which point are you talking about. It is possible it speaks about the Golden Age. Please, bring that or some other specific point we can discuss.
1) I have already brought this issue up before, three to four times. I HAVE PUT Hindi WORDS THERE, WHICH IS ALMOST THE ORIGINAL. You may read properly, if you care. That Murli point would definitely be in the PBK literature. Read word by word, and then write.
---I believe in trying to reply to the same, Roy soul had said "Krishna belongs to Conf Age, and Radha belongs to Golden Age". But, even he failed. Because PBKs believe Radha bachchi stands for the lowkik name of the PBK sister who had been in the 1936 incident, which they have cooked up.
No. I have never said God enters Krishna....
2) You again put false allegations! I did not say that you have said- God enters in G Aged Krishna.
I just said, and proved that- PBKs twisted the Murli point, which is ACTUALLY MEANT for the Golden Age incident (WITHOUT ANY AMBIGUITY), to imply that it pertains to Conf Aged one*; and also twisted the Murli point which refers to lowkik people, to BK/PBK world; and I also proved that it resulted only in spiritual suicide of PBKs.

3) * - then it is AS GOOD AS equating Golden Age = Conf Age, Brahma = Krishna, and then it INADVERTENTLY IMPLIES - in their view "God enters in G Aged Krishna" - finally nothing but GARBAGE.
But, I am more focused on the underlined words in 2) than in 3).
So, you may first/more concentrate more on "what you/PBKs have to prove, and to the extent PBKs have fallen" than "the allegations which AUTOMATICALLY arise due to the former".
You say I do not reply to the point, but you don't understand. 9 lakhs are his children it means children who follow Shrimat, who accept him as his Father. All souls are his children, but in the Murlis also it is said about 'sautele' and 'matele bache' - own and ...not own children. These 9 laks are his own children and it is through these 9 lakh who are connected to all the other children that he rules over the entire world.
4) The above whole lecture is a TOTAL waste originating from a DISTORTED & CORRUPTED 'BABY-INTELLECT', NOTHING MORE THAN THAT!
The point was- Diamond jubilee means 60 yrs. So, 1996 (1936 + 60). In PBK view- as you have taken it for Conf Age, (by twisting it, which actually is CLEARLY said for G Age), there should be 9 lakh OWN CHILDREN TO Mr. DIXIT IN 1996. But, was it true? Even in BKWSU, it was not 9 lakhs.
So, here, also I just said that- the attempt of PBKs in trying to prove their false theory just resulted in their OWN spiritual suicide, by their OWN SELVES, of their OWN MAKING!

5) Now, if you begin to say- diamond jubilee has some UNLIMITED MEANING, and refer it to some other year, it will create even more suicide, and PBKs will have absolutely no place to stand. Because if they believe diamond jubilee is not for the physical duration 60 yrs, then they cannot even stick to the Murli point, said about 1976.

6) But, it seems that- you like to give some half reply- by saying- Mr. Dixit rules the whole world through the 9 lakh children and AVOID DATE 1996?

7) BUT- PBKs again fail. Because they believe the right/own children are only 2.25 lakhs, and the their soul-pair would be cowardice. OK, even if we take them, it would be just 4.5 lakhs. The other 4.5 lakhs would be kouravas even till the TOO LATE BOARD.
----Even if they say- by the end time, the other 4.5 lakh souls would recognize part of Mr. Dixit, STILL THEY CANNOT PROVE. BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE B BABA AND Mama, AND OTHER SENIOR BK SOULS WHO HAD LEFT THEIR BODIES- WILL HAVE NO CORPOREAL BODY TILL Golden Age. And, they DO NOT RECOGNIZE ROLE THROUGH SUBTLE BODIES, THEY ALSO BELIEVE SUBTLE BODY PERSONALITIES ARE LIKE GHOSTS.
So, how can SUCH SOULS WHO ALSO FALL IN THE 9 LAKH BE RIGHT instruments for Mr Dixit to rule the whole world? Or DOES MR DIXT IMPLY- even after revelation he will have need of ghosts/subtle personalities as instruments to rule the world?

So do you say that it is about diamond jubilee of the Golden Age - means the 75th year after the year 1-1-1. But it is said that there are 9 lakhs in the beginning, so how many are there in 1-1-1? If there are 9 lakhs in 1-1-75. in 1-1-1 they must be less.
8) First of all, please note that diamond Jubilee means 60 yrs, 75 yrs is platinum jubilee.
And- I have already put- Baba is referring to the year 1996 - which is diamond jubilee of Conf Age. (NOT Golden Age). But, Baba makes us- to be in the consciousness of Golden Age. - ALREADY PUT IN COMMENT No. 6 OF FLAW No. 302 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&start=750#p51699

9) I HAVE ALSO SAID - THERE IS ROOM FOR MIS-INTERPRETATION.- FOR WEAK INTELLECTS
---- But, then you ask me to refer to the period 1-1-75? - FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
BTW- if you feel that there is some UNLIMITED MEANING for that period as well, you may put it. - (just a joke- but also seriously, because that is the PBK language- UNLIMITED Father SPEAKS OF UNLIMITED THINGS TO UNLIMITED CHILDREN- is it not)?

10) There is no doubt, one can put hundreds of questions- as the Murli point clearly proves it. If two people love each other so much, or if they are very closely related, word meaning does not matter there. Baba also says- Baath ko math pakado, bhaavnaa ko pakdo = DO NOT 'catch' (LATCH on to) the words, 'catch' the feelings.
----So, Baba has conveyed the 'feelings' of Golden Age on the 'DIAMOND JUBILEE DAY' of the CORONATION of FIRST LN (souls of Brahma Baba and Saraswati Mama), in the Conf Age (and this is known, understood and expressed ONLY in the Conf Age).

11) I AGAIN SAY- QUESTIONS FROM OTHER SIDE* ARE NOT 'A WRONG'. IT IS JUST BEING CHILDISH - means failure to understand God's REAL intentions, which are focused on developing self-esteem of Children.
* ---- If one does not have any faith in Murli and just reads them casually.

----12) But, trying to mis-interpret and create some other meaning and philosophy is nothing less than the act of Ravan or Maya.

----13) But, even then it is not a problem, as a lie will not sustain itself, and will eventually just result in spiritual suicide.

14) As PBKs have stepped into 12), they have to do exercise in proving their stances ALL THE TIME. But, they are taking U turns at every place, and continuing to COMMIT even greater and greater spiritual suicides!

15) So, continue to defend yourself as much as you can. Let readers understand according to their own capacity.
BTW- I also feel sorry that I may have disturbed you to some extent. But, that is not bad, as one day- you/PBKs will feel someone has put more or equal effort to wake-up PBKs, like BKs are doing to the whole world.
There must be some difference in the intelligence in the Trimurti as Baba has said in the Murli that there is one lion in the Trimurti and one is a goat and one is a horse.
16) See- when PBKs fail to address their claims, they put the responsibility on Murlis, and in this way- they use Murlis as just scapegoat.

----17) But, you again fail here. Because Murli says- next to God is Trimurti. Are you saying- a goat and horse are next to God? The above example is the MISINTERPRETATION of Ravan Rajya, and DOES NOT pertain to RamRajya. This point has ALREADY been adequately discussed earlier on this forum, but the problem with PBKs is that they SIMPLY DO NOT retain such clarifications in their intellects, and so they return again and again with the same OLD GARBAGE - having understood NOTHING AT ALL, delusively thinking that others are understanding NOTHING AT ALL!!! What a PARADOX!

---18) The underlined sentence is manipulated by AIVV. There is no word "Trimurti" there. The Murli just says- "in the court of arms of India- they should be lion, goat and horse".

----19) BTW- you yourself had used the word- lioness to sister Vedanti. And, in the place of Trimurti, you say Vedanti = Goat. So, in PBK view - a "GOAT = LIONESS" :laugh:

----20) So, DUE TO ALL THESE ABOVE, the ball again lies in the court of PBKs.

21) BTW- I have no objection to say- one can have (good) qualities of lion, goat, and horse. So, if we like to say Trimurti personalities will be LIKE lion (daring and powerful), LIKE goat (humble and cool), LIKE horse (vibrant and vivacious), etc, etc, THAT FITS PERFECTLY WELL.
---Or as children of God are varieties. So, there are three main types of children (in 9 lakhs- does not apply to Trimurti- and Baba has not said - these three are in Trimurti) - Maharathi, ghodeysavaar, pyaadey - even that fits perfectly well.
You commented on a date of birth with respect to that date matching the PBK knowledge, but I think you also accept the reason why and how mistakes in date of birth can occur.
22) That is not the ISSUE at all. One can accept mistakes from lowkik people. But, neither any 'gyaani tu atma' nor their so-called, INTELLIGENT Narayan, were able to understand simplest of simple truth- which even an illiterate person can understand. You are trying to justify your faults by pointing fingers at others - being the BASIC CHARACTERISTIC of PBK personality.
It is like- someone broke your/AIVV's one leg. But, you yourself broke the other leg, and blamed it on the other! :laugh:

But- hold on. What is the proof that someone broke your/Dixit's ONE leg? Perhaps the lowkik person who documented the DOB could be right. What is the proof that Sevakram left his body in 1942? So- it could be Mr Dixit just saying ONLY NOW- AFTER REALIZING HIS FAILURE - that lowkik people have done wrong in the documentation. But IT IS 100% TRUE THAT HIS OTHER LEG IS BROKEN BY HIMSELF = NO ONE IS CAUSE FOR HIS FOOLISHNESS FOR NOT REALIZING THE WOMB PERIOD OF 4 TO 5 MONTHS, RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING ITSELF!

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 15 Aug 2016

But, it seems that- you like to give some half reply- by saying- Mr. Dixit rules the whole world through the 9 lakh children and AVOID DATE 1996?
We will be counting from 76, so for us the diamond jubilee will be 2036.
So, how can SUCH SOULS WHO ALSO FALL IN THE 9 LAKH BE RIGHT instruments for Mr Dixit to rule the whole world?
Both Lakshmi and Narayan will rule.

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