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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 11 Apr 2017

213) Your explanation regarding the tree, is fine. But, that is not a surprise- as we know about Kalpa tree.

But, my point was(sorry, I did not make it clear)- people give very high value even to other trees - like coconut trees. People even call the coconut tree as Kalpa tree. So- why do people give such a high value even to other trees? This was the point.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 11 Apr 2017

I believe that was an explanation about the coconut also, but I am not able to represent it now. I know that the name for coconut in Hindi...nareal...sounds like....not real...and for Shankar it is also said that the part of Shankar is so wonderful that even you children will not be able to believe.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 11 Apr 2017

sita wrote:I believe that was an explanation about the coconut also, but I am not able to represent it now. I know that the name for coconut in Hindi...nareal...sounds like....not real...and for Shankar it is also said that the part of Shankar is so wonderful that even you children will not be able to believe.
214) NaReal in Hindi?

Of course, in Hindi, na = no. But, "Real" is not a Hindi word. It seems that you are just doing juggling exercises.

215) You are saying coconut tree = Shankar?

216) People/devotees worship/respect the whole nature. Where is the shooting of this taking place in Conf. Age?

217) People even believe moksha (permanent liberation). Where does this shooting take place in Conf. Age? No PBK has replied so far.
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# Flaw No. 521) Mr. Dixit receives knowledge from other human beings even now!
sita wrote:Water that is poured over the Shivling is water of knowledge or milk of knowledge that human beings give to the corporeal one in the beginning when he enters the path of knowledge.
218)Mr Dixit reads Sakar Murlis and Avyakt Murlis even now. he is dependent on them even now. But, he may say- he is not actually dependent. He just gives interpretations/clarifications on them. But,

219) PBKs used to say- First February 1942 is the DOB of Mr. Dixit. But, when the error was pointed, they now do not highlight- "First February".

Many such errors are pointed out. Few here- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593&p=52563#p52563

So- ling of PBKs still receives knowledge from other human beings. Not sure how much it absorbs and how much gets slipped- even now.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 11 Apr 2017

216) You are saying coconut tree = Shankar?
I believe so, but let someone who is more informed bring clarity.
217) People/devotees worship/respect the whole nature. Where is the shooting of this taking place in Conf. Age?
For us the whole nature is represented by a certain soul of the mother. In the end of Confluence Age, people are mostly materialistic so they will worhip that soul of the nature that is very powerful. Baba has said that nature has no mercy. When there will be earthquake nature does not think that this is a child etc. it destroys everything. Father is merciful. Baba has said that worshipers of devis are Ravan Sampraday and at the end of Kaliyuga everyone is Ravan sampradhay. Baba has also said that Maya will join hands with nature and they will test children in a combined way. Maya is not powerful on its own, it is powerful with the mind, but otherwise not. Nature is with a still intellect, but great power. Then it is said that both Maya and nature will become our servants and hold our dress behind. So if nature will be testing children, then children will try to please nature, is it not?
218) People even believe moksha (permanent liberation). Where does this shooting take place in Conf. Age? No PBK has replied so far.
I haven't heard an explanation about it.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 11 Apr 2017

sita wrote:Then it is said that both Maya and nature will become our servants and hold our dress behind. So if nature will be testing children, then children will try to please nature, is it not?
220) No need.
Children(master creators) will learn how to handle them, and also transform them from negative to positive.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 11 Apr 2017

220) No need.
Children(master creators) will learn how to handle them, and also transform them from negative to positive.
That is good, but such children are very few who will not worship nature and who will become conquerors of nature. But the worship of nature is done by souls who have polluted nature and fear that nature will give them back in return for what they have done and who will suffer at the time of destruction. And the number of such souls is many, many times greater.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 12 Apr 2017

sita wrote:But the worship of nature is done by souls who have polluted nature and fear that nature will give them back in return for what they have done and who will suffer at the time of destruction. And the number of such souls is many, many times greater.
You may say- how these weak children (BKs or PBKs) try to please nature. Why do you reply only in half?
Then it is said that both Maya and nature will become our servants and hold our dress behind. So if nature will be testing children, then children will try to please nature, is it not?
So- from the PBK arguments, it implies- some children will try to please even Maya.

So, how do the weak children in Conf. Age will be doing the shooting of worshiping even Maya?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 12 Apr 2017

If you consider some soul who is a form of Maya to be very elevated, give it respect, follow its direction, surrender your body, mind, wealth, time, relations and contacts to it, it is like putting it in on a high pedestal and worshiping it. The same will be with a soul who will represent nature.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 12 Apr 2017

sita wrote:If you consider some soul who is a form of Maya to be very elevated,..
I do not consider some soul as Maya. If you have something explain fully, instead of giving half baked reply.

But, practically if we see- PBKs are like worshiping Maya Virendra Dev Dixit. They blindly accept him even when it goes against several Murli points. Even when he failed multiple no. of times, PBKs believe Mr. Dixit is the top most soul.

So- whatever PBKs show their finger, it just points to them. Good.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 12 Apr 2017

Again double standard. First you say you don't consider some soul as form of Maya, then you consider.

If some soul is body-conscious, if he acts based on his vices and against the knowledge then what will you call this soul. Baba has said that those who speak against Shrimat are community of Ravan. We speak not only with our words, but with our behavior, acts, attitude, mentality. But at the end of Kaliyuga all souls have become impure and all souls have come under the influence of Maya and so are mayavi and community of Ravan who cause sorrow to others more or less. That is why Baba has said that there is salvation just in one incorporeal Satguru and there is degradation in the many human gurus. Sometimes we may not be able to follow the knowledge straight away, but still in our mind we may like it and know it to be true. Then in the course of time we may be able to inculcate this point also.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 13 Apr 2017

# Flaw No. 522) PBKs not only lack the ability to realize simplest things, but also forget them even when it is taught to them:-
sita wrote:Again double standard. First you say you don't consider some soul as form of Maya, then you consider.
221) I have to say- it is just again LLU (Low level of Understanding) of PBKs.
It is not double standard. It is the reply in "PBK view*". So- I replied in their own coin.

[Earlier- in this same topic, you had done similar comments, when you failed to discriminate the replies- some of which were in "BK view" and some in "PBK view". When it was explained to you, you then had been cautious to some/good extent. But, now it seems that, you lost that attention.]

This reflects the intellect level of the so-called Gyani tu atmas. All the best.

* - It is PBKs who have brought the issue of saying some soul as Maya. - is it not?

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 13 Apr 2017

So you don't accept that if one speaks matters opposite to Shrimat he is community of Ravan.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 13 Apr 2017

sita wrote:So you don't accept that if one speaks matters opposite to Shrimat he is community of Ravan.
223) In my view- - usually Baba uses the words Shudra, community of Ravan, etc for Iron Aged people, not of Conf. Age. Baba has said- BKs are half caste. So obviously, there is some negative.

But, Baba has said- if the children indulge in vices, they are like kouravas only. So- only such children fit for the title Community of Ravan.

So- if some children of Baba speak something which may not be 100% accurate, I consider them as half caste as well as number-wise. Why label them Community of Ravan?

But, it seems that PBKs like to label some children of Baba as community of Ravan even for silly things. Left to them.

We can see both PBKs as well as their leader having done countless mistakes and acting like HK Hood as well as superior to ShivBaba. So- it is the PBKs who have to think- to whom that title best fits in Conf. Age.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by sita » 13 Apr 2017

No, it is a point from the Murli that if someone speaks opposite maters to Shrimat, understand him to be the community of Ravan.

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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Post by mbbhat » 14 Apr 2017

sita wrote:No, it is a point from the Murli that if someone speaks opposite maters to Shrimat, understand him to be the community of Ravan.
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224) If it is a Murli point, of course, it can be. Baba also says- manmath means Ravan ki math. So you are right. [Baba has also said- most intelligent and most fools- both are here. ]

But, these are silly things. I am mainly interested in discussing philosophy/ideas, not of people. But, PBKs like to discuss on people. Let it be.

And- if we see here, it is PBKs who speak opposite to srimath more than anyone else. So- finally their fingers point towards them only. But, it is drama, so nothing wrong.

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