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Re: AK crazy story about peacock

Post by arjun » 02 May 2011

Om Shanti. Shivsena is free to interpret the above Murli point in any manner, but he cannot convince Baba Dixit to accept that God's part is being played through him. Meanwhile he may clarify whether Om Radhey declared that God's part was being played through her as long as she was alive or whether she is ready to accept through any human body that she (shivshakti according to shivsena) is present in that human body. If not, shivsena's arguements are meaningless.

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Re: AK crazy story about peacock

Post by shivsena » 02 May 2011

arjun wrote:Om Shanti. Shivsena is free to interpret the above Murli point in any manner, but he cannot convince Baba Dixit to accept that God's part is being played through him.
i see the whole thing only one way:

If baba dixit is God ShivBaba, then he should have no problem admitting so...and if he is not God ShivBaba, then he should not repeatedly imply it in his teachings that he is God ShivBaba ....imo, both ways he is trying to mislead the innocent PBKs.

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shivsena wrote:If Baba dixit is God ShivBaba, then he should have no problem admitting so...and if he is not God ShivBaba, then he should not repeatedly imply it in his teachings that he is God ShivBaba ....imo, both ways he is trying to mislead the innocent PBKs.
Why don't you request Om Radhey Mama to accept through a human body that she is playing the part of Shivshakti (God).

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arjun wrote:Why don't you request Om Radhey Mama to accept through a human body that she is playing the part of Shivshakti (God).
You are so obssessed with the physical body that you want an avaykt farishta Mama also to adorn a physical body and reveal herself in front of the children....you are really going in the opposite direction....Vanis tell us to become avaykt farishta to have avaykt milan with BapDada and you want avaykt farishta Mama to assume a human form.....i just do not understand your obssession with the physical body.

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Re: AK crazy story about peacock

Post by shivsena » 02 May 2011

arjun wrote:Calling oneself God is an insult (of God). There cannot be a bigger insult than this. We want to obtain the inheritance of heaven from Allah. [And] you say – we are Allah. Well, you yourself judge. If anyone tells you that he is Allah, how can it be possible? Allah is the greatest one. These are things that have to be understood deeply. Nobody can ever call himself Allah or God. Everybody’s Father will be one. Many say that the Supreme Soul is omnipresent. Arey, you are God, we don’t believe it. We are devotees. We are lovers of that beloved one. Only one Supreme Soul is called the purifier of the sinful ones." [/color](Revised Sakar Murli dated 07.06.08, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, translated by a PBK)

Despite having quoted this point in the past the above member keeps repeating his question. It only shows how he does not accept ShivBaba's words to be true and in a way he is proving himself to be greater than God by challenging God's words again and again.
To all pbk brothers.

I just had a thought and am sharing it with you.

The above quote posted by arjunbhai: it says :"Calling oneself God is an insult (of God). There cannot be a bigger insult than this ".

ShivBaba has said the above words in SM to whom??...obviously HE is speaking to Godly students(BKs and PBKs) and no student of ShivBaba can become God....so in fact the above point is a warning to PBKs that do not accept any student who churns the knowledge and give it to you on a plate and implies that he is God....a student(baba Dixit) implying that he is God ShivBaba is the biggest insult to God ShivBaba.

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Re: AK crazy story about peacock

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shivsena wrote:You are so obssessed with the physical body that you want an avaykt farishta Mama also to adorn a physical body and reveal herself in front of the children....you are really going in the opposite direction....Vanis tell us to become avaykt farishta to have avaykt milan with BapDada and you want avaykt farishta Mama to assume a human form.....i just do not understand your obssession with the physical body.
This is just a lay excuse to shy away from responsibility. It only shows that you or Om Radhey Mama (as you describe her) do not have the power to face the world practically. It only shows your cowardness and not the greatness of your knowledge. It is very easy to point fingers at others but difficult to face truth. You should either tell us where Om Radhey Mama is in practical or stop glorifying her with your imaginations.

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shivsena wrote:ShivBaba has said the above words in SM to whom??...obviously HE is speaking to Godly students(BKs and PBKs) and no student of ShivBaba can become God....so in fact the above point is a warning to PBKs that do not accept any student who churns The Knowledge and give it to you on a plate and implies that he is God....a student(Baba Dixit) implying that he is God ShivBaba is the biggest insult to God ShivBaba.
When presented with hard evidence you have started misinterpreting ShivBaba's words to suit your theory. Very good. :D

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shivsena wrote:then why does Baba dixit not say clearly that he is personified God (as it is also said in Murlis : "Bhagwan aakar khud apna parichay bacchon ko dete hain" ("Godfather himself comes and gives his introduction to his children.")
ShivBaba has clearly introduced Himself via Sakar Murlis, and Murli Clarifications; plus we recognise Him, through the knowledge He relates to us, His children. To say Baba Dixit is personified God, is inaccurate imo, as we would be falling into the same subtle trap, that the BKs did, when Brahma Baba was the appointed Chariot. Baba Dixit is an impure effort maker, until he becomes bapsaman in 2018. However, even then, he is not God(Trimurti Shiva-Generation-Operation-Destruction), because He; Shiva, is the One and only God. Baba Dixit is an effort maker soul, who's costume has become the permanent Chariot, of Godfather Shiv... to call Himself God in any way, would be totally sinful and inaccurate. Baba Dixit's achievement, is to become equal to God; not God Himself!

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shivsena wrote:ShivBaba has said the above words in SM to whom??...obviously HE is speaking to Godly students(BKs and PBKs) and no student of ShivBaba can become God....so in fact the above point is a warning to PBKs that do not accept any student who churns the knowledge and give it to you on a plate and implies that he is God....a student(baba Dixit) implying that he is God ShivBaba is the biggest insult to God ShivBaba.
This is sort of crazy imo; because how can it be any other way, that when Shrimat is being narrated through a Chariot(Baba Dixit in this case of course), and said Shrimat is recognised to be such, by many souls.... how then, can there be anything but the implication, that the soul that this knowledge is being narrated through, is the current Chariot of God Himself. No acknowledgement, or confirmation of this part(Chariot of God), is needed by the children, who recognise the words of God, coming through the mouth of this Chariot. Only souls who do not recognise that Father Shiv, is working through this Chariot, want to hear this confirmation; but then the ironical thing is; that the same souls, will not believe this confirmation, in any case! :D

Baba Dixit will never come out and say what part he is playing; only revelation, in 2018, will put an end to all the speculation; and reveal who was right, and who, unfortunately, was wrong about this matter.

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Post by shivsena » 03 May 2011

Roy wrote:This is sort of crazy imo; because how can it be any other way, that when Shrimat is being narrated through a Chariot(Baba Dixit in this case of course), and said Shrimat is recognised to be such, by many souls.... how then, can there be anything but the implication, that the soul that this knowledge is being narrated through, is the current Chariot of God Himself.
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Dear roy Bhai.

How many souls believe that baba Dixit is the Chariot of God Shiva ???
Most of the earlier souls who surrendered were having serious doubts as time passed by and left Baba Dixit, and those who are new PBKs are facing a transient period of elation and as their intellect matures, they will also soon have doubts about the Chariot.

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Roy wrote: Baba Dixit will never come out and say what part he is playing; only revelation, in 2018, will put an end to all the speculation; and reveal who was right, and who, unfortunately, was wrong about this matter.
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Yes--i fully agree that Baba Dixit will never come out and say what part he is playing and only time will reveal whether he is Ram(Godly part) or ishwariya roop of Maya(Krishna's soul--rachna)....imo, he is rachna Krishna(bada Bhai) and rachieta(Maa-bap) is Ramshivbaba ( Mama Saraswati.)...so let us wait and see who is right and who is wrong....Those who pass will become surya-vanshis and ( as per Murlis) those who fail will become chandra-vanshis.

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arjun wrote: When presented with hard evidence you have started misinterpreting ShivBaba's words to suit your theory. Very good. :D
BKs say the same thing about the advance knowledge(pbk theory).

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shivsena wrote:How many souls believe that baba Dixit is the Chariot of God Shiva ???
The five Pandavs!
shivsena wrote:Most of the earlier souls who surrendered were having serious doubts as time passed by and left Baba Dixit, and those who are new PBKs are facing a transient period of elation and as their intellect matures, they will also soon have doubts about the Chariot.
Is it a maturing of intellect, or the intellect becoming stone, under the influence of Maya(five vices)?!

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shivsena wrote:Most of the earlier souls who surrendered were having serious doubts as time passed by and left Baba Dixit, and those who are new PBKs are facing a transient period of elation and as their intellect matures, they will also soon have doubts about the Chariot.
So, was your faith in knowledge dependent not on ShivBaba but on the faith of fellow PBKs when you were following the AK?

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Post by Sach_Khand » 03 May 2011

pbkindiana wrote: We regard Baba Dixit as Ram based on AK and SM. Only human gurus will declare that they are God and then die of some diseases where it is said in SM that karmateet stage is a stage where you will be disease-free. If anyone claims that He is God, then He should be immortal and disease free.
It is creating a kind of sadness in me to write the following. And please do not comment about my feelings. I have to write reply to you.
Virendra Dev Dixit has diabetes and takes medicines for that. It was written even in this forum that Virendra Dev Dixit takes onion and garlic sometimes as medicine. Normally BKs do not take it if they are healthy and staunch BKs do not take it even if they are ill. Actually garlic is recommended for heart disease by doctors.
pbkindiana wrote: The PBKs have full faith that Baba Dixit is the personified form of ShivBaba based on AK and with our own experiences with Baba Dixit-ShivBaba.

It is said in SM that we have to recognize God with the third eye of knowledge and based on SM and AK, the PBKs have full faith that Baba Dixit is the practical part of ShivBaba.

An intelligent person knows that Shiv will never leave till He has establish heaven, then the search for Shiv on the appointed Chariot should be done based on knowledge.
I have nothing to say about your faith. You have every right for that and I cannot question that. But I expect the same from your side to allow to have others too their faith based on their knowledge and experiences so that we can discuss our views openly.
pbkindiana wrote: An intellectual will be aware that it is said in SM, if someone claims that He is God, then he is considered a demon, so based on this SM point, Baba Dixit will never claim that He is the practical form of ShivBaba. So instead of blabbering that PBKs are writing lies, he should read more SM before pointing a finger at the PBKs.

indie.
Again that foolishness of omniscience.
There is a Murli point that says ShivBaba introduces Himself. Also there is a point which says that ShivBaba tells who is Prajapita.
Leave ShivBaba. But Prajapita can tell the truth about his part and accept it.
Either you believe Virendra Dev Dixit's words or do not believe. When Virendra Dev Dixit has openly stated that he is not Ram, on what basis are you propagating this idea that Virendra Dev Dixit is Ram?
There are crores in this world who do not tell that they are God. That does not make them God.

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