I read here, and post here, on a purely personal basis and ask you to allow me to do so. Few to none of you know by whom and how brahmakumaris.info runs. Many people have made accusations and attempted to push their vision upon the reality. The attempt to personalise it as one person's activity or will is the cheapest of tricks, usually part of an attempt to reduce it and attack it.sita wrote:Fluffly bunny may be passing moral judgements from a high piedestal, but at the same time is generous enough to share his wisdom with others in a nice lecture. But he has chased many people away from the bkinfo forum and had made it a hard time for many others.
That is a very 'old world' style of politics ... ignore the message but attack the messenger. This is what the BKWSU has done, and no one here would hold them up as the paragon of virtues they think they are!
One of the problems with people's visions, which I saw happening here with Button Slammer's attack - and why I stepped in - is that most people have not professional experience, or the experience of being a professional, and cannot understand the professional division between the purely personal approach and the professional approach.
By "professional", mean a formal, detached manner of acting where one is required to play a role and follow certain rules. In short, where one is not oneself but acting on behalf of a group or according to a set of rules. I think it is fair to say most people exist on a personal level, and certainly when emotions get high, we all fall back into a personal state of mind.
When brahmakumaris.info was established, it was sincerely hoped that all parties could come together and work together to document and discuss the Brahma Kumari religion. It quickly became obvious that this was not possible. There were some crazy individuals who just wanted to use the platform to attack the PBKs, BKs and PBKs want to defend their beliefs, some ex-BKs behaved in a terrible manner towards BKs/PBKs ... and very few individuals wanted to do any work to help support it. Therefore, we had to decide to give the priority to those we felt deserved it most (ex-BKs and friends and family of BKs) and split it between those that wanted out and those that wanted to stay in.
Unfortunately, we just did not have enough time and energy to carry on supporting the bkinfo forum at the same level. No one helped, no one paid anything, we did not take any donations ... some individuals only took energy away and attempted to destroy it.
When this forum was established, it started as a complete carbon copy of the original community intended for those that wished to discussion The Knowledge and The Advance Knowledge. Nothing was lost. No one was excluded. Everyone was a member. We gave you everything to do with it what you wanted. Essentially, individuals were confronted with the choice over which way they wanted to go:
- if you want out, go bkinfo;
if you are still in, go bk-pbk.info,
if you want a new approach, go Global BK
if you are a BK only, go bkforum.net
Actually, very, very few individuals were ever banned from bkinfo. It is true that in order for this forum took off, some individuals had to be channelled in this direction. You all must realise how difficult it is to start up a discussion forum and how difficult it is to create a big enough "critical mass" for one to continue. By handing over the membership, all of the content, and encouraging leading pro-BK/PBK users to go in this direction, this forum was able to exist, and it is very good that it does. A forum is like a garden or a farm; unless some attention is given to it, the weeds just take over and there is no point planting rice if what the market wants is potatoes.
I don't know what Shivsena has been doing, so can someone tell me if he has clearly separated his questions from purely basic knowledge or pro-PBKs opinions?
For me, he obviously believes in The Knowledge but has his own opinions about it, and that is why he is "in". He always seems to question rather than just attack. PBKs are stuck with him in the same way the BKWSU is stuck with Virendra Dev Dixit. But there are other individuals who do not believe in The Knowledge who seem to just come here to attack the PBKs. I would not see any purpose in keep them around.
What happened to Andrey this time?
Andrey always reminded me of a troll blacksmith, hammering away at an anvil in his cave, like Hephaestus if you know your Greek gods. Sometimes he would get stuck with some BK beliefs that were obvious completely romantic and refuse to give them up. I think he was one of these people who likes to fight and learns about life by fighting with it. too exhausting for me. (Hephaestus was capable of making things of great beauty but he was pushed out of heaven in disgust by the other gods).
Part of the problem is, I feel, that The Knowledge is very minimal. There is actually very little to study. The religion is more based on evangelism (BK) and conversion (BK and PBK). Very little real philosophical discussion seems to be taking place and even less study of the history of the religion and people involved.
Instead of trying to convert each other to your own views, it would be better to broaden the study field in order to understand it better.